Is it too early to start talking draft?
Cowboys need to do whatever it takes to land Goff.
Agreed but it depends on what the Brownies do. Titans and SD obviously don't need a QB (though SD might decide it's time to groom for the future), but the Browns have a clear need at that position.
Lynch wouldn't be a good fit for Garrett's system so if Goff is off the board I'm good with them going Defense with Ramsey. Him with Jones would be an awesome Safety combo.
Where are da boyz drafting before any trades?
I feel like I should be commenting here...but I have at least 5 more days. Feels weird.
Johnny Football's days in Cleveland are numbered. Reports coming out of the Browns HQ is that they've had enough of him. It sounds like he wants to go to Dallas and Dallas thinks he'd work out for them.
If they do bring him in, and I'm making any sort of deal, I pay him league minimum an surround that contract with so many ultimatums that if he so much as goes 1 mile over the speed limit and gets caught, he's out.
Edit: Also ignore anything printed by Florio or PFT in general. They love to stir some shit.
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Thats assuming he gets cut and not traded, though.
4th sucks. I was hoping we moved up and extra spot or 2 to cushion that loss. Instead, I'll have to console myself with the idea that snyder will overpay for cousins even if he doesn't win a playoff game because of how bad he beat the cowboys.
Hardy is a better person than JFF. Straight from Jurry's mouth.
Context. They clearly don't need a backup QB who brings the shit.
And while we're on the subject, most teams are more than willing to look the other way for a variety of shit. Let's not pretend the Cowboys are special snowflakes in that regard. But few teams will do so for a backup player of any sort, including the Cowboys, which is why you most likely won't see JFF or RGKnee headed to Dallas.
The Cowboys DO need a competent backup though. Romo is breaking down you can't rely on him for an entire season.
In 2014 it didn't make sense to grab JFF because they had just signed Romo to an extension. Even Jerry ultimately let cooler heads prevail with JFF sitting there ripe for the picking. Now it makes sense because the backup situation is worse than they perceived, Romo is 2 years older with 3 years left on his contract (and 2 years until it's financially feasible to move on), and they have a lot of good young pieces to help keep things going. But with the 4th pick in the draft they can afford to avoid the damaged goods and grab a Goff or a Lynch or even someone else and grab a QB in the 2nd round.
Plenty of options not full of shit and a good four months to sit on it and do what's best for the franchise.
To be fair to Manziel, it's not like you can be drafted by Cleveland and NOT develop a drinking problem
I won't disagree that Cleveland is a shithole but, to be fair, Manziel had a drinking problem before coming here.
I see Cleveland going two routes with the Draft. Go QB and take Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. If you go that route, personally, I'd still start Josh McCown next year and have him be a true mentor for Goff/Lynch to get him NFL ready. This way we'd have our QB locked in for awhile and could focus on building the team around him. Option two would be to trade the pick away for a crap load of other picks. I'm not a fan of this but we do have so many holes to fill that you can make a case for it. Personally I'd rather lock in the QB and build from there though.
Unless you've got a Peyton Manning in your draft, you're always better trading down for a bunch of picks
JFF definitely gonna be a cowboy next year, only a matter of time before Fragile Bradfo..err Romo makes him the starter! (get my NFC Least QB's mixed up all the time)
Ooh! I know! Fisher gets Jerry drunk and trades him Foles and a basket of crawdads for their 2017 first and second rounder!
So will they go L.A. Raiders and L.A. Chargers like the NY teams or will they be the San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles?
Serious question though, which LA plan do you think ends up getting the nod? And what happens to the loser(s) of the LA sweepstakes?
Dead serious. I believe they were the runners up in the Bills sale.
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With Tomsula making $14 million for one 5-11 season, the 49ers will end up paying Tomsula $2.8 million per victory as 49ers head coach.
sign me the fuck up.
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Problem with the Browns is, no matter how many picks they have, they're still the Browns
My fucking god, the Rams requesting to interview the Browns OC.
OH Fisher....you just cant make this shit up.
Sometimes as fans when you see an organization like the Rams stick with the quintessential average coach like Fisher interview the Cleveland Brown's OC do you think like me and say, "I know I a typical football fan but even I know better." I mean it's not rocket surgery right?
Oh and on Manziel to the Cowboys. What should really have you scratching your heads is the Cowboys had him ranked #4 overall on their board for that draft. #4...OVERALL. Is Jerrah that insane? Who runs their scouting department? How the fuck do you rank Manziel as the 4th best prospect in the draft that year? And you think your team has problems?
Every team has different ways of grading. They ended up not picking him so it's a moot point anyway.
Fisher must have a deal with the devil. To be mediocre for 21 YEARS and get paid millions of dollars to do so feels like a scam I want to get in on. If it wasn't for a couple of years of McNair he wouldn't even be above .500, that ridiculous.
As far as my Bears, off-season wish as usual is for Grandma McCaskey to die and the team to be sold to someone that actually wants to win and not just let her numerous spawn live off the team.
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But to the point: There is no _single_ issue with the Browns. Playing in one of the roughest divisions in football, bad luck/analysis with drafts, nearly zero recent success so they have to overpay for free agents, constantly swapping coaches (as if that will fix any of the previous items), ownership changes. Where's Ron Wolf to tell the owner "Here's your GM and Coach, accept you suck, and let them rebuild for four years before you make any moves".
Read it awhile back. I was wrong; it was "top 5 to 6" on their board.
"We know the off-the-field issues. But on our board, one of our top five or six picks dropped down to us and it was at the quarterback position, and I absolutely was a vote of one in that room to basically go there."
Jerry Jones: Dallas Cowboys looking for QB to develop - NFL.com
Fortunately Jerry manages to listen to what others are saying these days, otherwise Manziel would have been drafted. The way it's told, if he could have literally stood on a table to make his case he would have. I'll take the Martin pick though. It was definitely the final piece to the run game puzzle, even with the slight regression this year (All three all pros from last year still finished in the top 3 of their position this year, even with the shitshow at QB).
The guy the Browns hired was also Jonah Hill's character in Moneyball
Setting up an epic Jonah Hill + Kevin Cosner pairing in Draft Day 2
Thread should be subtitled either the JFF sweepstakes, or the LA sweepstakes
I think the latter for the time being. After all, that's a thing that's happening. JFF is up in the air until they have someone in charge willing to cut him.
None of these QBs are worth a top 4 pick, maybe not even top 20.
Cowboys need to draft Bosa or Treadwel and try to find another veteran backup QB. They need someone who can help the team immediately - not a QB who would be no better than Weeden/Cassel if Romo got hurt.
McFadden still had the 4th most rushing yards, in only 11 games as the starter - that's insane and I didn't realize it until earlier this week. They had pretty much the same run stats as last year as a line (yards before contact, etc).It was definitely the final piece to the run game puzzle, even with the slight regression this year (All three all pros from last year still finished in the top 3 of their position this year, even with the shitshow at QB).
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Right now, though, it would just be a knee jerk reaction to one unlucky season and there are much bigger needs.
Pass rush or maybe a DB are the biggest obvious holes and would actually help the team out during the 2-3 years Romo has left.
It'll mostly get shaken out at the Combine, Senior Bowl, Pro Days, etc. Dallas coaches get to coach for the Senior Bowl and I'm sure that'll only help their evaluation.
They have drafted the first two rounds pretty well the last 5 years Will McClay has been involved so whatever they do I can't fault it.
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I'm just a stupid Cincinnati Bengals homer, but AJ McCarron hasn't looked half bad. It's not like the Bengals look like a Romo-less Cowboys without Dalton. Soundly beat the 49ers and Ravens (teams they should have beat soundly) and took the #1 seeded Broncos to OT.
Cowboys had more than just Romo as issues but his loss was the lynchpin domino so to speak.
Kellen Moore's honestly their best bet right now. Costs them next to nothing and has shown he can play at least average.
Their real problem is their turnover difference was -22. For reference, second place was -14. Even if Moore played perfectly and threw 0 interceptions, they would still have the worst differential in the league.
Right now, though, it would just be a knee jerk reaction to one unlucky season
best Cowboy fan quote ever. if we could just figure out what season it was these past 20 years he is referring to.
Why are all these Cowboys fans talking about drafting a QB when they know damn well JFF is their QB of the future?!
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Both are still under contract. JFF is probably going to get let go by the new regime in Brownieville but given how fast everyone is dropping ties from him, I don't see Jerry pulling the trigger there unless the contract protected the team in the event he goes full(er) retard. Not sure about RG3 unless there's a thought that they could fix him. It'll probably be the most interesting offseason story surrounding the team, full of plenty of shit Florio can make up to generate clicks for PFT.
I want JFF to end up in Dallas so bad too. I want RG3 to get a legit shot somewhere where this isn't as much media presence...and preferably not in the NFC East, or NFC altogether. Houston sounds good.
Johnny Football needs to be sitting next to Tebow commentating college games, they could be the odd couple. Would be the best show on tv. Johnny shows up with a bottle of vodka in 1 hand and Tebow a bible in the other.
Good move by Miami in hiring Gase. Will be interesting to see how he works with Tanehill and that offense next year.
At some point the new guy needs to have a shot at it though. It's been talked about before how many of these head coaches who have been fired seem to find work again over and over, but end with the same results. So give the new guy, who has been a name that has been floated for a while, a chance to see what he can do. It isn't like there are a lot of head coaching candidates out there right now with a ton of past success.
You may be right though. He may be too new and in over his head with an organization that clearly needs to get back on track. Time will tell!
I really don't get the johnny football fuckups list. He like sped and drank some. Give him a fucking chauffeur and you're probably good to go. Is seeing a white guy party too much toxic masculinity for football commentators now adays?
It's not that JFF drank and was a general idiot. It's that he never learned discretion or anything at all. How stupid do you have to be to go gambling in the gambling capital of the country with a wig and a nickname as your disguise? Stupid from the beginning and getting more stupid. I guess we'll see by his giant contract coming up what NFL exes think of his talent.
No Johnny has Affluenza, and if a team decides to make him the future of their franchise he will wreck and destroy a lot of lives. He doesn't have what it takes to be a QB in the NFL...he's Tebow without the upside.
Coughlin interviewing for the eagles job. Would be an interesting switch if it happened.
Please god is there any link to the playoffs streaming online? I've got no cable and the stream thread is not delivering or I'm missing something.
p.s. use NFL Live Streams (also lol @ posting this in the wrong thread)
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I moved to NY. I still hate the Giants so I'm hoping Coughlin takes the Eagles job and kicks their ass for years to come. I may hate the Giants but it's easy to recognize that team has been depleted of talent since Tuck and Osi got old plus all 3 of last SB's receivers are gone or hurt. Beckham's a nice addition but he can't do it alone. Giants shoulda canned the GM. Eagles fired Andy Reid on a bad run of seasons after stellar coaching for years and always terrible clock mgmt. and now he's doing great with the Chiefs.
I want a reality show where "Billy" Football and Ron Mexico live it up in Las Vegas. I'd watch it.
Yeah no... but it's hard not to live here in NY and not hear about NY teams constantly. This city is way overloaded with sports teams. It's not even fair compared to other cities. 2 nfl teams, 2 bball, 2 hockey, 2 baseball and god knows what else.
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