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Belwas 'bout to take a giant shit up in herr.
What exactly do you mean by Released Spoilers? Can we comment about interviews etc., or just what is in the actual books?
Shit I don't know, it was just the original title of the thread on FOH.
So that fact that GRRM basically said in an interview that Jon Snow isn't dead after he was stabbed on the wall is fair game?
Mother fucker your going to make me find the link and post it on here? Your lucky you helped me on my portfolio. Be back soon with link
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Released spoilers was basically if it's published somewhere then talk about it (sample chapters, interviews, books) but if it's from some reading GRRM did of a chapter that might change while he's still working on it, then don't bring it up.
Anyway...new Dunk and Egg novella out next year supposedly.
Hate waiting on the main books but the Dunk and Egg stuff is awesome so that gets a pass.
How many Dunk & Egg stories are there, and more importantly, what books are they contained in? Looking up "dunk and egg" on Amazon comes back with a bunch of different Anthologies. Can someone give me the quick and dirty on getting all these stories?
Not sure the best place to actually get them, aside from just being a filthy pirate about it.
The first graphic novel version was pretty good. Haven't checked out the second yet.
I actually(like a retard) ordered the graphic novel by accident on Amazon a few years ago. I thought I was ordering the book and when it arrived, I felt like an idiot. Still enjoyed reading it, but there you. I'll read that wiki and weigh the option of being a filthy pirate. Thanks!
Those 3 anthologies are what you're looking for. Legends, Legends 2, and Warriors I think. You can get those all on the cheap and some of the other stuff in them is good as well.
Filthy pirate I think is the best way to get a combined copy for an e-reader though, there's a decent html file going around that I have.
I finally read the first Dunk and Egg story, it was really badass. I am genuinely upset that there are only three of these stories now.
Apparently the forth one is going to be called "She-Wolves" and takes place in Winterfell.
Best of the SoIaF Reddit for 2012.
I had no idea that Benjen Stark was Daario.
Yea its stated a few times on AGoT about Tyrions tumbling skill. He even does it on the boat in ADWD, when the stonemen attack IIRC
Ah yes, I recall those bits now. I suppose my memory of the books may be skewed a bit by the show, and a re-read should be in order.
Yeah in the book Tyrion is a bit of an athletic super hero. Not only is an excellent tumbler but every combat scene shows him destroying people. I'm kind of glad they didn't try to make Peter Dinklage obliterate fools like it was an episode of Xena: Warrior Princess.
So who is Jon going to warg into after he wargs into ghost for a while?
Coldhands could also be the precedent needed to keep Jon sentient and a main focus in the story. Coldhands-ify him and send him into the north. He will be The Last Hero of this generation.
is Coldhands Benjen Stark?
am i the only person who when they think about slavers bay and all the strange characters there imagines them as the baddies from raiders of the lost ark and temple of doom?
I think Coldhands is Benjen. Id like to know exactly what made him the way he was though, why he's a "good wight" and not just a zombie. Blood of the Starks maybe?
I assumed it was Benjen until the Children of the Forest spoke with Bran about Coldhands as well. It's likely a character that has been mentioned previously, but I was in too much of a rush through a first read-through to piece it all together.
I posted this in a different thread, but I think an anime of ASOIAF would probably be off the hook. Unlike the live action show, it would be much easier to do scenes like the many flashbacks/backstory history, exposition, and stuff like the House of the Undying. Ive been reading this series for years and I still cant get enough of it.
I must needs read the next edition with mine own eyes, the Others take you right to the seven hells Martin.
Fuck, I wish I hadn't read that. Is just going to make me more impatient for the next damn book.
Sounds like they are setting up for Daenarys and Aegon to go to war?
A second dance with dragons is definitely coming. Most likely Dany arrives when Aegon has already secured KL and is king before someone lights a match (Tyrion or LF probably) and kicks things off.
Why are you guys hiding conjecture/spoilers in a spoiler thread?
Well how released is released? Published in the books is different to sample chapters from an unreleased book thrown up on a website, people might not want to read that stuff and as I'm not sure on the rule I thought better safe than sorry.
It's not like a major spoiler is going to get released in a sample chapter. If someone wants to bitch about that, they can go get fucked.
Reading that Reddit post, no wonder GRRM takes so long to write the books, there are hundreds of loose ends to get in order. I just hope they all don't end up in a church in the final chapter and have been dead the whole time.
But don't you see, Pablo, they could only fulfill their destinies together!
I haven't read sample chapters since AFFC, but yeah released spoilers is anything released including readings and shit.
If you think it may be a spoiler, please take the second to just spoiler tag the damn thing and avoid drama. Everyone is going to read it anyway because LOL SELF CONTROL WAT but at least that way it will be their fault.
I finished the last Dunk and Egg story and now I am sad, bros. Those are really good, it is a fucking crime that there are only three of them.
New one should be within the year, possibly sooner than later. It may provide confirmation of Hodor being Dunk's descendant through Dunk+Old Nan.
Can't really even read these chapters, just gonna make me pine away more for the book itself which is a long ways off.
I wonder since GRRM has released a few chapters from TWoW already, if he's going to do another new one for the paperback edition of ADwD or if he's going to use the Arriane one or something. Release date is May 28th.
According to Bran, Old Nan is Hordor's great great grandmother. If she was pretty young when dunk is in the north, the time line should fit. My only issue with the theory is that most the characters that are really big have some theory making dunk their ancestor. The cleagnes, Brienne and Hodor. If they are all true, dunk really was a traveling swordsman!
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Not Dunk and Egg which is awesome short stories.
It does include THE PRINCESS AND THE QUEEN, by George R.R. Martin which is about the Dance of Dragons. I find that interesting personally though would rather have Dunk and Egg.
Just a little detail on the novella.
George R. R. Martin to Debut New Song of Ice and Fire NovellaThe novella, titled “The Princess and the Queen,” will reveal the origins of the Targaryen Civil War, otherwise known as “The Dance of the Dragons.” A war that split a then fledgling Westeros in two, pitting Targaryen against Targaryen and dragon against dragon.
Currently re-reading the series again and was wondering if anyone else think's Taena was playing Cersei like a fiddle?
The chick she was lezzing out with? I mean, obviously.
Spying for Dorn. When Taena was there, Martell said he had an ear at the court...After she left, he said he no longer did. My guess, anyway. There weren't many clues. She's from Myr though, and she was egging Cersei into trouble all the time. She also avoided sending for her son, I'm thinking because he was at the pools in Dorn.
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Makes the most sense she's Doran's, but it is suspicious the Faith let her go without interrogating her and Varys is the only one we have reason to think has pull with the faith. Also on the Varys side of things Cersei thinks Robert would have found Taena attractive which leads to the theory that she may be the mother of one of Robert's bastards and we know Varys saw that Robert's bastards were provided for.
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I need to reread, maybe after a few months of the book club stuff. I feel like there are soooo many details that I have forgotten.
In the hopes of getting some discussion going I'll throw out a pet prediction of mine.
Sandor will kill Lyn Corbray.
Sandor's name means protector of man, but particularly he's been a protector of children, Joff, Sansa and Arya. Corbray is clearly a threat to children, he's conveniently located in Sansa's area who Sandor will no doubt reconnect with and he carries what I believe is destined to be Sandor's sword. Lady Forlorn, Sandor did all ready take the place of Sansa's Direwolf Lady and will be doing so again. It has a heart shaped ruby in its pommel which I think fits in with Sandor's re-emergences as a true knight and romantic interest for Sansa. There's a fair bit of foreshadowing portraying Sandor as the stranger, when he re-emerges from the Quiet Isle I think he will represent the warrior, and according to the song the warrior "protects the little children".
How it may come about I have a theory for, albeit not one I'm particularly confident in. LF obviously intends to kill Robert, perhaps he'll pass the job off to Corbray. Sansa however, despite not particularly liking Robert I think may not be down for child murdering even if it is to her benefit, enter Sandor to save the day.
I also think the valyrian weapons in the hands of minor characters (Harlaw, Tarly, the dothraki with the arakh) are going to wind up in the hands of some of the more major characters and be useful against the Others.
I was thinking she was spying for Margery, but you apparently have a better eye for detail than me. Cersei is so easy to manipulate it's not even funny I just never thought of Taena playing for the other side until this read through.
That is quite an interesting theory Chrisd and I always had a hunch that Sandor and Sansa would end up togther.
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It's pretty clear that Littlefinger is working on Robert Arryn dying "of natural causes" and having the poor child doped up such that it looks like his shakes are an illness that they're really not. There are hints about this, particularly the Maester's objections to the excessive doses of milk of the poppy. I'd have to go dig for the precise quotes, but it's suggested that Robert is dying of toxicity. He'll likely die after Littlefinger's wrapped up his plans for Sansa and the Vale. After all, he's betrothed her to Harry the Heir; guess who gets the Vale if the "sickly" child dies, as seemed to be commonly thought is likely?
I'm not sure Sandor is ever going to find his way to the Vale personally. I think the only thing that will get him involved in the world again will be Robert Strong.
Honestly, I have no idea what Sandor will be capable of when/if he reemerges. He was a giver of minimal fucks before, what if he comes out of the monastery with a big dose of righteous fury? I could see him killing just about anyone with that kind of thinking.
He has a limp now though, wonder if its permanent? Curious if he will fight with the same effectiveness if he encounters Robert.
He'll definitely be around Sansa again, that's half the main point of his arc, to restore her faith in the idea of a true knight (Elder Brother was knighted, he'll knight Sandor) having been the one to tear it down.
I think he'll kill UnGregor but it will be for a greater purpose. The Elder brother said the Hound lived only to kill his brother, a tormented and twisted existence, if Sandor hears Gregor is back and rushes off to kill him then he hasn't undergone any character growth, more likely killing Gregor's undead form will be like a mercy setting Ungregor free.
Maybe the super healer on the Quiet Isle can cure his leg and facial scars, when Sandor comes back I don't think he's going to be immediately recognisable to Westeros.
His list of shit to do I think is brave dragon's fire, kill Corbray and defeat Ungregor.
A lot, or even most, of what you are saying would be true if this was a traditional fantasy story. Good vs. bad, straight redemption story, etc. Things just aren't that black and white in Westeros. I just don't think there's any chance GRRM suddenly gives us the traditional knight type character out there saving maidens and doing good. Just, no way. If anything I'd expect him to die in some horrific fashion similar to Oberyn.
Exactly what Grimmlokk said. So far the most traditional knight has been Brienne and her story is far from normal fantasy.
He's littered Westeros history with great knights and this era and story isn't going to pass without it's own. Just as he's provided near pure evil characters he has had no problem writing the flipside, Brienne and obviously Dunk being the prime examples. Sandor will still die tragically, but not before he's brought the epic. It will just be all the better for having first been grounded.
Dunk is the closest thing, but you'll notice his story isn't happening in the I&F series, but in a side series. Yeah, Brienne is pretty pure and all, she's also shit on at every turn and had her already ugly face half chewed off. She's also now working for an undead vengeful cunt. Sooo, yeah. Don't expect Lancelot is all I'm saying.
Rhaegar was dead before the series began and Robert was fat, no-one is about to go claiming Gregor was an Arthur Dayne (losing side) or Aemon Dragonknight, or anything other than big and brutal. Sandor will remain a grey character because we know his history, it'll be a question of can we get behind a character who basically murdered a child. But he will come back as a righteous sword of the Faith to do epic things, despite being grounded in reality it's still epic fantasy. Then Arya will kill him.
I don't see Sansa's faith in anything being restored, she seems more likely to be headed towards becoming Littlefingers 2.0, learning from his amoral political wile and combining it with her natural beauty to become a dominating political player.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
I love asoiaf theories and knowing what people are saying enriches the reading of the books, but let's be real here. This man was born to shit on assumptions of where he will take his fictional story:
I'd like to see something epic happen with Sandor, but with GRRM, you should never expect anything good to happen to any character.
Another, word of Quentyn's death, Dany's rejection of him, Dany's army still in Mereen and Dany herself lost maybe dead to reach Westeros. Arianne to seduce Aegon, Doran to demand Aegon marry Arianne for Dorne's support, Aegon/Jon Con consenting, Vary's handing them KL and Arianne becoming Cersei's younger more beautiful queen, unleashing on Cersei what Doran had planned for Tywin.
I think that once John comes back as the R'hllor he will lead his army down from the north and re take Winterfell. After that, Lord Reed comes out and tells the truth about John's heritage, someone important is his actual father, he was Ned's nephew all along, not his bastard son. With this new knowledge he lays a claim to the thrown of Westeros, sweeping south he collects all who support him and destroys those who oppose. At some point Robert Strong is brought into the mix and the Hound is given a chance to serve under Snow and promised the opportunity to kill his returned brother.
Just speculation.. but you never know
I'm mostly curious how you end a giant epic like ASoIaF and have it feel right, especially with no central protagonist. It will be interesting to see if the old boy doesn't keel over in the next ten years.
I wish that John were really and truly dead, everything about him is just downright frustrating especially given that he painted a giant kill me sign on himself for the entirety of the last book (it also didn't help that GRRM devoted a substantial portion the book to his POV and then stuffed it mainly with filler). He was fine as a soldier and as a wildling but he is terrible as a leader and I can only foresee his chapters being incredibly irritating unless the typical light vs dark scenario rears its ugly and tired head and everyone just has to follow him because its humans vs demons time boys! Then it would just be boring but I'm holding out that Martin can recapture some of his mojo, here's hoping anyhow.
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They're gonna end up as king and queen. Mark it down.
Jon was actually good by the end of ADWD when he decided to use his army and go kill shit. It's a shame he died, but it's going to be ok, he'll be back and undead and even more willing to kill shit.
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