I have a season pass to snowshoe in wv if you want to come to bum fuck Egypt and shred.
What about the alps, man?
I'm looking to go skiing this winter and although I live in the UK it seems to be about equal price to spend a week in France vs a week skiing in VT, with a few days on either end in New York for shopping/sightseeing. TBH its pretty nuts that I can fly to the USA, stay 3 nights in NY, 5 nights in VT then another 3 in NY, with lift passes, ski hire and a car for the VT days for the same price as flying to France and being overcharged for beer.
So the question is, how are east coast ski resorts? I'm no extreme skier, me and the missus just enjoy cruising blue groomers so massive dumps of powder are fairly wasted on my mediocrity. I was thinking of somewhere like Killington as it seems to have a good selection of runs and isn't an insane drive from NY. I'd be going in February if that makes much difference.
I have a season pass to snowshoe in wv if you want to come to bum fuck Egypt and shred.
What about the alps, man?
I just fancy a change of scenery, been to the Alps a few times before and when I lived in Calgary I did a fair bit in the Rookies. I'm not a big drinker, but in Meribel last time I went it was around $12 for a beer, which is just ridiculous.
If I can booked a ski break with a city break, all the better, especially somewhere like NY as I haven't been there for a few years. I did something similar with Japan, first week in Tokyo then a week in Furano, really enjoyed that.
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Killington has the best nightlife. Decent skiiing.
Keep in mind that new england weather makes skiing suck. It's not like out west or the alps. You have really wet soggy snow and cold temperatures. Which means that unless you are skiing the hour after fresh powder fall you are skiing on a shitty layer of crusty ice/snow.
thread title is oxymoron. mods please delete.
in all seriousness, growing up on the west coast (seattle) i have really struggled to enjoy a day on the slopes for the last 10 years living in nyc. yes i'm a ski snob, i grew up 2 hours from whistler sue me.
i can recommend sugarloaf for all around good skiing (if you're lucky with weather) and smugglers' notch for famdamnilies.
Killington gets crowded. I like to go to Sunday River for the long scenic blues
Have you skied in ice before? Pellets, sheets, panels and shards?
You will want sharpened shaped skis (you will hate old metal alpines or huge powder skis most likely) on most days in VT and NH, especially later in the season if you are doing late Feb or it gets unseasonably warm during the day.
Killington is nice but I would recommend Okemo as well. It is probably not as crowded and Ludlow is closer to NY. There's two peaks and two resort areas so you have options there, I would recommend starting in the secondary one and you can take two lifts to get over to the main areas if you want. When I was there it was snowing lightly and it was perhaps one of the most serene and amazing natural experiences I've had.
I spent a few weeks in St Anton for a ski trip and loved it. Great food and drink were easy to come by. The place we stayed included a full course dinner each night and it was always something different for the whole 2 weeks. The cost was no where near what I'd pay for an equivalent high quality dinner at Park City/Deer Valley(High end resorts) either. With all of the Arlberg resorts you get access to with a single pass almost every day was different ski runs.
Personally I wouldn't consider a trip to ski in the East coast as an overseas destination due to the snow conditions there unless the skiing was a secondary interest for the trip. I've been spoiled though and have had season passes to SnowBird/Alta, Park City and Brighton in Utah and knew a bunch of out of bounds areas that were amazing.
Thanks all, the input is much appreciated.
I have 5 options really:
1. Go to the Alps again for a purely skiing holiday (be that Italy, France or Switzerland).
2. Go to the East Coast and have skiing as a secondary consideration, basically a few days in the middle of a city trip bookended by NY and perhaps Boston, both cities I've been to before but enjoy. This is also a relatively short flight.
3. Go to Colorado skiing and spend a week in Denver/Boulder (or possibly Utah and SLC, but can you enjoy a week in SLC in winter?). The compromises here are cost of the skiing portion of the trip and although I've got a Colorado holiday on my future list I'd intended it being a summer trip to take in other stuff as part of a driving holiday.
4. A Whistler trip with a week in Vancouver, but that's a hell of a flight from the UK and the other Canadian resorts like Revelstoke are too much of a drive from the airport. Plus I've been to Vancouver a few times already and as much as I like it I'm not in any real rush to go again over going somewhere else.
5. Sack off skiing this year entirely and have 3 weeks touring California in the summer but then we're trying for kids at the moment so I can see that not happening due to pregnancy, assuming my swimmers aren't all swimming in circles.
edit to add: first world problem really
In any case, we are having a really warm winter so far here in New England. Not like last year where it was snowing constantly and Boston got buried ;p
You can always fly to Kelowna from Van to hit Revelstoke/Whitewater/Red Mountain. But yeah, those are still going to be 2-4 hours from Kelowna's airport, unfortunately. And from what you said, none of those resorts are worth it if you just want to ski groomers. If you're an enthusiast, though, they're some of the best in the world when the snow is hitting. Or you can fly in to Calgary and hit up Lake Louise, Sunshine, and Kicking Horse. Those are all within a couple hours of Calgary. You could stay in Banff or Canmore. Kicking Horse is by far the best of them terrain/conditions wise, but also the biggest pain to get to, with the worst nightlife and ski town atmosphere.Originally Posted by Kalaar
Really though, for international ski trips, Whistler is pretty hard to beat in terms of flights to Vancouver and ease of transfer to the resort.
In any case, the winter is off to a good start in the Canadian rockies, for the most part. A few resorts had record early openings, and most are fully open already. However, as I'm sure you know, it's impossible to say how they'll look in a couple months. Last year was actually a decent start as well, but then Jan/Feb were awful with warm temps, rain etc.
I really loved Lake Louise when I was living in Calgary, used to drive up Friday and come back Sunday. Quieter than the slopes closer to Calgary too.
It's definitely the best of the Calgary-area resorts, but that's not saying much. The front side is generally garbage since it faces West-Southwest and gets too much afternoon sun. But yeah the backside and Larch can be pretty good. It's been a few years since I've been there, but I don't think it's all that quiet these days. The highway is fully twinned to it now, so it's a shorter drive. I've been finding all the resorts are getting ridiculously busy now. Population keeps growing, but there's been minimal expansion and no new resorts, so the existing ones are getting slammed. Even Kicking Horse on a weekend is way past it's lift capacity, now. If you want to beat the crowds you have to drive all the way to Revelstoke, or Whitewater/Red near Nelson/Rossland.
I'm going to make an effort and do some mid-week trips this year to beat crowds and chase the snow. We'll see if that actually happens, though.
Every year they have a ski trip up to Sugarloaf, Maine. It's one of the 5 largest ski resorts on the east coast. The price is trivial at best. $325 (if you signed up early enough, they might be $50 more now) for lodging in a condo on the mountain and lift tickets. You're responsible for your own food and transportation. They have ski rentals if they're needed. This mountain is incredible. Skiing in the Poconos (that's where NYC people tend to ski) only have a single mountain that crosses the 1000 ft elevation. However, Sugarloaf is 4300 feet. And it's the best skiing on the East Coast that I've encountered thus far.
If you're interested, ask away. I can point you in the direction of the guy that sets it up every year. This years trip is January 24th through 31st.
Sorry, but Fuck skiing on East Coast US. I've been all over and East Coast isn't worth the time or money. East Coast skiing is for people that live close to it, so it's a short ride for them. Having a choice, West Coast all the time. I've been mostly just hitting Colorado the past few years.
Just go to Summit County.
Seriously, the east coast is dog shit for skiing.
Extra funny story, the quack at the bottom of the hill said I only bruised the bone on my left leg so I spent the next two days in a half cast popping oxytocin laying on the couch in the ski lodge in too much pain to do anything. Then when we got home the orthopedic surgeon was like, uhh.. Yeah.. You're pretty fucked up.
But Snowshoe was nice. We had a good time. About a year later they sent me a voucher for a free lift ticket.
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Pussy bitch Draegan sold us out to MMORPG.com
Exodus underway to Rererolled - A Gaming Community
Oh and sorta fuck Tuco too.
Should have sued them into the ground.
I'm going to get some skis off eBay i think. As a 195 pound 6 ft tall beginner ish (blue trail ok) kind of guy who just wants to go maybe 5 or 10 times a year what should i look for? Do i just need to get a size10 boot and that'll snap into about anything i pull off eBay?
Skis, whatever you can find at a price you're willing to pay but do yourself the favor of going to a real ski shop to buy boots that fit you perfectly. They are all slightly different fitting and it makes everything better and helps you concentrate on form instead of cramps. The difference is huge - 2-3 runs with cramps or sore calfs for your $80 lift ticket or skiing all day.
Yeah, a good boot fitter is paramount. The worst part about skiing is the boots. Just got back from doing a 20km ski tour yesterday, and my fucking feet are killing me. And those are actually halfway decent fitting boots. There's just no avoiding foot pain, unfortunately.
Boots are generally sized in Mondo sizes. You'd probably be around a 28 or 29, I think. As far as the boots fitting your bindings, so long as they're an alpine, DIN compatible boot they should work with any alpine bindings. However some bindings may only be able to adjust to handle so big of a boot. My Marker Duke bindings for example have a small and large version, depending on your boot length. But the front and back pieces to the binding are one solid piece since it converts to a touring binding. Most bindings the front and back are separate pieces, so there wouldn't be two different versions. Depending on how they were set up initially, it's possible the bindings would have to be remounted if the person prior to you had giant or tiny feet. You're probably fairly safe since you have a pretty average sized foot.
As far as Big P's skis go, you're probably going to want something in the 175-180cm range given your height, weight and ability. If you're skiing East Coast, then you don't need to worry much about getting super fat skis. You're probably going to want something that holds an edge well and isn't much more than 90-95 mm underfoot.
Good info, thanks. Only thing to figure out now is what my theme color is going to be
Got 174cm k2 apache crossfires for 190 shipped. I really thought used ones would be cheaper but any that looked like they could pull any ass were 150 min
Those look like a great deal for the price. You may want longer eventually but they will be super controllable for you, just keep them sharp and go easy on the wax if it's super icy.
I've got Atomic Blackeyes and love them. I dont get to go nearly as much as I'd like but they're plenty good enough for a firmly intermediate skier like myself who doesn't go off piste, or at least not intentionally I'm 5'10" and 180 and I've got the 174cm and they seem right to me.
I'd definitely agree on the boots thing though. I felt a bit of a dick trying on so many, and in different shops due to brand availability, but when I tried on the ones I own the difference was night and day, even before customising with differing insoles etc. I have coincidentally Atomic boots but the Salomon ones in particular fucking crippled me.
edit: To add about boots, this seems counter-intuitive but I found with the proper ski socks my boots were uncomfortable after a few runs. When I wear simple, thin and knee length merino wool socks my feet don't go numb or cold. This is probably as the fancy padding in ski socks presses on a particular point of my shins and reduces the blood flow to my feet, making them sore and cold. So swapping socks can make a difference when fine tuning a fit.
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I have some Vokyl 5 stars that I bought probably 10 years ago at this point. I love them. Such a nice ski.
Don't want to hijack this thread, but can't find a blanket skiing thread. So, I go skiing once every few years typically in Telluride. My buddies parents have a place there so it's free of charge, and with my brother in Durango it made for an easy side trip. My wife has never been to the mountains before (not proper mountains anyway) and wants to go skiing. I'd also like to go someplace I've never been before (so that rules out most of Colorado & California).
Anyone have experience w/ Aspen/Snomass, Park City/Deer Valley, Whistler and can shoot me in the right direction? Whistler is the farthest, but also by far the cheapest of the 3. Also it seems pretty cool and it's in a place I've never been nor really ever considered going. Aspen is a quintessential mountain town, but it's a bitch to get out there in the winter sometimes (and expensive). Park City is close and basically in SLC - a little cheaper than Aspen but not much and a good deal more expensive than Whistler. This isn't a $$ decision I'm just looking for a spot I know she'll have a good time when she eventually tires of the slopes!
Having a 'good time' is waaay to vague to make any specific suggestions. Is a good time eating out at chuck or rama, an expensive restaurant, going shopping, playing Friday night MTG in a card shop? Park City offers shopping at expensive stores or outlet stores (ie tanger outlet etc). My ski coat that cost $1000+ was only available at Christy Sports in Deer Valley(Park City) and the SLC store didn't carry as high end items (Still nice $600 type stuff though) The Park City area in general caters to a more affluent crowd and offers a lot of upscale places in a small convenient area. Not that you have to go to those places but in general its going to be more expensive and this is the area most celebrities go to.
The SLC area offers a lot high end places too. Last night I had dinner here La Caille - 9565 Wasatch Blvd, Sandy, UT, 84092
(Not SLC but 15 min away) at the mouth of little cottonwood canyon(the Snowbird/Alta ski resorts are 10 min away). Plenty of other nice places in the SLC area too. The bonus for SLC is that since it isn't a resort town, you aren't paying resort town prices for everything. You can stay in the SLC valley area and still ski at Park City/Deer valley with a 30-45 min drive and the little/big cottonwood resorts in 15-30 min.
Skiing wise Deer Valley is famous for their corderoy grooming. It is #1 rated in the US the last few years. So its great for new skiers and offers more of a groomed experience even durring large snow dumps where other areas will get rough and easy runs become a bit harder but you will pay for it with the price of the ticket compared to other resorts. Something like $120 vs 70-90 a ticket. Alta being the total opposite and letting the terrain stay more natural and ungroomed in general. Not that it can't be a bad place for a new skier, its where I learned =p I just don't think it would be as enjoyable during a big storm for a new skier. Snow wise Deer Valley/Park City/Canyons don't get as much snow as the resorts in Little/Big CottonWood canyons.
If you don't get a ticket package never buy a lift ticket from the resort. Go to a Smiths Grocery store or a ski store like Sports Authority and save $20 a ticket.
Honestly, if you are going skiing, and have not done Summit County, I dunno wtf to tell you (Unless you are a jackass that grew up at Jackson Hole etc).
Aspen skiing is "ok". Not stellar. The city is "ok".
That being said, if you have been skiing forever, and never done Jackson Hole . . . well . . . thats my recommendation for you. Or Taos if you are a beast (which I am not. Lol)
Some of the best runs I've ever had are the Hobacks at Jackson Hole after a big snow dump. One thing I like there is that you get a lot of non stop vertical where Utah resorts you often get some vertical then some flats then more vertical.
Well I'm up at snowshoe, had a good day and didn't wreck, like the skis. My boots however are barely too small for my bindings. I went up a size for today and it wasn't bad but i think I'll just pay 80 bucks to have the bindings redone
Cannon's a good mountain if you don't mind how cold it can get up there. Decent glade skiing. Has pretty nice views of the Notch. Also 1+ on Killington.
My wife and daughter leave for a trip up to Sugarloaf, Maine in another 10 days. Unfortunately, I'm not able to attend the trip this year. Oh well =/
ouch, looks painful. I bet that is coming up with an awesome bruise.
West coat but in lake louis if anyonwants cheap passes let me know. Only here another month then moving to revelstoke.
Sun Peaks got about 6" of fresh the day after I hurt myself, I was jelly. I was doubly pissed cause I just planned on taking it easy and cruising groomers the day I hurt myself because I wanted to work out a boot-fit issue I was having. But I couldn't help but going off-piste... /sigh
Three days! Kept getting better and better as the temps got colder and sucked the moisture out of the snow, as the initial snowfall was a bit on the heavy side. It wasn't hero, tits deep powder or anything but it was enough to bury pretty much every track in their tenure, so we were riding untouched snow the entire time. Stability was the shits, though, so it somewhat limited what terrain the guide was able to let us loose on. I prefer tree skiing to alpine anyways, after the first run or two in the alpine when heli/cat skiing it just gets boring. In any case, after all 3 of my trips got rained out last year, it was a very pleasant change. Hopefully my two remaining trips this year are in the same ballpark.
That tactic nearly got me in to a lot of trouble last weekend though. I was riding down some pretty steep tree lines, and crossed my tips up in a turn. I more or less did a somersault over my skis intentionally instead of going over head first and struggling in the deep snow to get my feet/skis back below me for five minutes, cause that shit is exhausting. When I completed the roll and stood up again, I was standing on top of a near vertical 10-15' drop, and down below were two giant fucking tree wells. My skis were literally sticking out in to the thin air as I stood there. Thankfully I was able to shimmy to the side and find a route out. Had I gone in headfirst to those tree wells there's a good chance I'd be dead before my ski buddy or the rest of the group could find me.
Invincibility streak continues!
I'm not sure if I'd call myself "good" at falling but it is one thing I've never been afraid of. As a matter of fact one of my personal rules has always been if I don't crash at least once I'm not trying hard enough. I think how that has helped me escape injury to this point is generally when I fall I'm pretty relaxed and don't tense up my body at all. I'm a little worried that once I get back on my skis the fear of injury is going to be in the back of my head now. Maybe once I finish my recovery and some time elapses that will fade but it's (obviously) very fresh in my mind.
Tree wells do scare the shit out of me. I've had to do a couple of non-life-threatening treewell recoveries of buddies and I'm not 100% sure I'd been able to save them if they had ended up in head first. One thing I started doing is carrying a whistle in my outside front chest pocket. Can't guarantee I'd be able to reach it if I ended up head first like you almost did but worth a shot. Plus I could blow like mad if trying to do a recovery. I'm sure it is probably a standard issue item for the backcountry these days but I haven't done much of that in a long while now.
Anyways, have an appointment with an ortho this afternoon. Surgery isn't a given yet but my GP Dr thought my break was enough of a fringe case that even if surgery isn't required my recovery should be more closely monitored than your typical clavicle break and also monitored by a specialist.
Yeah, a lot of chest straps on backpacks have them integrated in to one of the buckles. They don't do you much good when you're upside down and suffocating, though.I'm sure it is probably a standard issue item for the backcountry these days but I haven't done much of that in a long while now.
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