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    Canadian Political Thread

    To start:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...gulations.html

    The regulation also says it would no longer permit individuals to grow their own marijuana, a move that Greenblatt says is unfair.
    regulation where regulation isn't required.

    basically, marijuana is still illegal for recreational use unless you can get permission (which the gov't now has direct control over). Nothing changes. Dealers will still be in force. Crimes will remain probably the same. Great policy.
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    And the worst thread is back. Btw, once a medical marijuana grower gets arrested for growing their own and goes to court, they will win and the government will have to allow for personal and 'grown for' permits. It is inevitable and I would be willing to bet that it will be upheld at the Supreme Court.
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    What, did you ever expect good, well thought out policy from the Conservatives? Several cabinet ministers have publicly stated that they couldn't give much of a fuck less about what "supposed" experts think about issues, they're going to legislate from the gut. To paraphrase, anyways. Just about all of their major policy initiatives have been shit. From refusing to acknowledge the coming recession and the need for stimulus, to cuts in the GST as opposed to income taxes, to their "law and order" policies, to trying to shut down Vancouver's safe injection site and refusing to allow others to be opened, to their dogged determination to ram the F-35 down the country's throat, their pissing away the Liberals' hard work in eliminating the deficit and getting back to surplus for half a decade, to their now dropped opposition to gay marriage, to quite possibly permanently destroying the country's "honest broker" international reputation with their unwavering, slobbering support of Israel, it goes on and on.

    They've been an awful government with just about everything they've done. Maybe there's a couple things here or there that are okay, but none immediately spring to mind. I completely concede that the Liberals were corrupt as fuck, but at least they were competent and managed to do a decent job of running the country while funneling money to their friends. The Conservatives have virtually zero competent ministers outside of Flaherty, who I don't mind, and Harper, who is some sort of evil genius. He's smart, no question, but I agree with almost none of his policies outside of being moderately fiscally conservative.

    The worst part is Harper is smart enough to know his limits. He's not going to cross any lines that will result in him getting labeled as a right wing nut job, like abortion. He's just going to incrementally chip away at things like he's been doing for the past 6+ years. The worst part is, he's only 53. We could have another decade or two of this shit if the NDP and Liberals can't get their shit together.

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    this gov't goes an extra mile just to be a douchebag. its wonderful.

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    http://www.lfpress.com/2012/12/19/na...-down-highways

    Nate Dogg's completely blocked off the 401. Saw them out there while driving past an on-ramp.

    You don't block the 401 and expect sympathy for your cause!!

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    I loved it when Marc Emery openly sold 2 Live Crew's banned album As Nasty As They Wanna Be at his City Lights bookstore here in town.

    The man's a hero.

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    Does anyone else find the "Idle No More" campaign to be incredibly ironically named? Like, does that mean they're gonna go out and get jobs finally?

    Maybe it's just my racist self that finds it funny.

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    what is canada like? compared to england and america, freedom wise?

    England seems more advanced in it's "nanny" state path.

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    I'd say somewhere in between the two, but really, it's not like there's some easy to measure metric of "freedom". In some areas we have a lot of stupid regulation, in others we don't. It also varies a lot from province to province. Canada is technically far more decentralized than either the UK or US, the provinces are much more independent than US states are for the most part.

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    Us puts everyone in prison, thusly Canada=more free.England...well they have a bridge,so who knows, call it a tie.
    Tie goes to Canada.

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    Not news. Not news at all.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...ban-toews.html



    “We’re paying for that ourselves and by the same process, we’re supporting local businesses in the community and on top of that we’re making donations to local charities. So at the end of the day who’s really getting hurt?” he said.

    “If someone’s in an outrage that I enjoy a piece of KFC twice a year, I would say their priorities may be a little askew.”

    The food drives were also an opportunity for inmates to make positive social contact with people on the outside, according to Catherine Latimer, executive director of the John Howard Society of Canada.

    “This is not something to be discouraged, in fact it is something that we should try to encourage,” Latimer said. “The more inmates are participating in pro-social contact, the more likely it is that they will continue to do so on the outside.”

    In a statement to CBC News, the Correctional Service of Canada said the overall policy of ordering food from outside for inmates is under review.

    “Food drives were recognized to be a privilege and were managed as such,” wrote CSC spokesperson Sara Parkes.

    But with Toews directive and until the review is complete, take-out food orders from prisons are prohibited.

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    That actually seems awesome. You shouldn't completely cut off prisoners from society and force them to form a micro-society entirely composed of prisoners. That's going to increase recidivism.

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    Canadian politic thread? This must be the nicest, civil, apologetic political discussion ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agraza View Post
    That actually seems awesome. You shouldn't completely cut off prisoners from society and force them to form a micro-society entirely composed of prisoners. That's going to increase recidivism.
    Like I said, the Conservative government doesn't give a fuck about actual consequences or results of their policies. Just that they play well with their base and feel good in the gut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Like I said, the Conservative government doesn't give a fuck about actual consequences or results of their policies. Just that they play well with their base and feel good in the gut.
    It really depends on where you live. If the Liberals are in power, the west gets fucked. NEP created so much resentment that the Reform Party formed. I'm Center, but you won't catch me voting Liberal with the amount of retards in there, and NDP will turn us into the Euro Crisis. Lesser of 4 evils I guess. Maybe one day the Liberals will stand for something other than whining, because I really do want to vote for them, but can't take myself serious everytime there is an election.

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    A few things to say about your fear and just gonna address them by list.

    A) NDP is not the same as European socialist. They are incredibly free-trade oriented. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle5415494/

    NDP is brimming with so much possibilities, with left leaning caucus who are adjusting to centrist market policy. That's a bonus.

    B) NEP is old story. Liberal caucus has changed, Trudeau's extremist left policies are now history because they know they fucked up. Jean Chretien's Liberal gov't proved to be pragmatic, effective, and saved Canada from Mulroney's bullshit. Seriously, this guy ran under the disguise of balancing the budget, only to fuck himself & Canada with Constitutional referendum. He didn't follow through with his budget review.

    If anything, I remember watching Conservative opposition (Harper) whining about the banking regulation, stifling free market and whatnot.

    Kinda sad that Conservative caucus is devoid of talent, especially the cabinet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollface View Post
    A few things to say about your fear and just gonna address them by list.

    A) NDP is not the same as European socialist. They are incredibly free-trade oriented. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle5415494/

    NDP is brimming with so much possibilities, with left leaning caucus who are adjusting to centrist market policy. That's a bonus.

    B) NEP is old story. Liberal caucus has changed, Trudeau's extremist left policies are now history because they know they fucked up. Jean Chretien's Liberal gov't proved to be pragmatic, effective, and saved Canada from Mulroney's bullshit. Seriously, this guy ran under the disguise of balancing the budget, only to fuck himself & Canada with Constitutional referendum. He didn't follow through with his budget review.

    If anything, I remember watching Conservative opposition (Harper) whining about the banking regulation, stifling free market and whatnot.

    Kinda sad that Conservative caucus is devoid of talent, especially the cabinet.
    The Provincial NDP of British Columbia almost brought this province into the broke ass state of eastern provinces.

    And come on, only reason NDP is the leader over the opposition is because Quebec voters don't even know what they want, only what they don't want. I'd be perfectly happy seeing Quebec leave Canada under the condition they pay their massive debt back, don't use the Canadian Dollar, and don't hamper the logistics with eastern provinces. No Canadians were sympathetic of the students striking, when they aren't even a labour union. And they receive such a large amount of transfer payments, its really sad that such a have not province tends to pump out so many politicians.

    By all means I don't want the Conservatives in, but I rather see them over the NDP. Maybe the Liberals can pull the bullshit out of their ass, that last election was almost comical how poorly they tried to hide all their greed.

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    provincial and federal politics are, well, not the same.

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    Yup. Alberta Progressive Conservatives do NOT get along with the Federal Conservatives at all, and the Fed C's pretty much backed the Wildrose in the last provincial election. Provincial and Federal parties are only loosely affiliated. Both the Quebec and BC Liberals have more in common with the Federal Conservatives than they do the Federal Liberals.

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    And the age of the NDP MPs is a little concerning. I'm sorry but anything under 30 in a strong government position is hard to fathom. NDP rode a liberal/PQ hate train to victory in Quebec with so much inexperience in their ranks.
    http://www.parl.gc.ca/parlinfo/Lists...tDirection=ASC

    A little scary is all. I'm older than most of them at 29, and I don't think some of these individuals know what they are getting themselves in to at such a young age.

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    My main problem with the young Quebec NDP MP's was that an incredibly disappointing number of them are just flat out unattractive. What the fuck?

    I'd take a round out of Ruth Brosseau though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Does anyone else find the "Idle No More" campaign to be incredibly ironically named? Like, does that mean they're gonna go out and get jobs finally?

    Maybe it's just my racist self that finds it funny.
    It truly is an idiotic campaign. They came into our store on boxing day and completly blocked traffic from entering the store and started there little chanting bullshit. It's seriously hard to live in canada and not be racist towards indians. They want "equal rights" + a lot of other shit, and there sense of entitelment is retarded

    edit: my spelling on 3 hours sleep is terribad

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    I lost my sympathy when I noticed that the person behind the hunger strike was obese.

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    I wish I was Indian in Canada. They have so much given to them and they squander it into the ground, magically get addicted to gold spray paint and die early. No income tax, free medical coverage, free post secondary, money when you turn 18 (depending on the band, runs around $100k tax free), the ability to hunt and fish anything (even killer whales). Yes some of this requires you to live on a reservation, but the house is paid for by Canadian Tax payers and you don't pay tax on things like gas and tobacco. Indians in Canada are not environmentalist, they just use it to bargain more royalties.

    I was right pissed off that the theme to the Winter Olympic Games in Vancouver was themed around the native community, which makes up something small like 2% of the population of BC. Sorry, but if you are less than 1/8th Native, you aren't Indian. I know people who were 1/32 and got free post secondary, explain that to me.

    The federal government gives natives almost 13 billion a year to run their communities, and receive nothing back. If I was PM, I'd tell them they are true equals, let them keep their land, and remove all their extra privileges and make them pay all taxes. Then when they fail at life as much as they do, they can complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excidium View Post
    The Provincial NDP of British Columbia almost brought this province into the broke ass state of eastern provinces.

    And come on, only reason NDP is the leader over the opposition is because Quebec voters don't even know what they want, only what they don't want. I'd be perfectly happy seeing Quebec leave Canada under the condition they pay their massive debt back, don't use the Canadian Dollar, and don't hamper the logistics with eastern provinces. No Canadians were sympathetic of the students striking, when they aren't even a labour union. And they receive such a large amount of transfer payments, its really sad that such a have not province tends to pump out so many politicians.

    By all means I don't want the Conservatives in, but I rather see them over the NDP. Maybe the Liberals can pull the bullshit out of their ass, that last election was almost comical how poorly they tried to hide all their greed.
    The only reason why the NPD had so much votes in Quebec was because of Layton , he was the only canditate to respect Quebecers, you can be sure NPD won't have the same amount of votes in the next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excidium View Post
    I wish I was Indian in Canada. They have so much given to them and they squander it into the ground, magically get addicted to gold spray paint and die early. No income tax, free medical coverage, free post secondary, money when you turn 18 (depending on the band, runs around $100k tax free), the ability to hunt and fish anything (even killer whales). Yes some of this requires you to live on a reservation, but the house is paid for by Canadian Tax payers and you don't pay tax on things like gas and tobacco. Indians in Canada are not environmentalist, they just use it to bargain more royalties.

    I was right pissed off that the theme to the Winter Olympic Games in Vancouver was themed around the native community, which makes up something small like 2% of the population of BC. Sorry, but if you are less than 1/8th Native, you aren't Indian. I know people who were 1/32 and got free post secondary, explain that to me.

    The federal government gives natives almost 13 billion a year to run their communities, and receive nothing back. If I was PM, I'd tell them they are true equals, let them keep their land, and remove all their extra privileges and make them pay all taxes. Then when they fail at life as much as they do, they can complain.
    Sad tpart it's that they don't know how to manage their money , if the native community would put more effort to give decent education to their youth then we wouldn't have so many poor native reserves and wouldn't have to give them so much money , governement should manage that money till they get to that point.

    Here where i work ( Golden mine Northern Quebec) we are working with Cree and i'm pretty sure there's no other native community in the world that make money and are threated nicely then the Quebec Cree , they made an insane ammount of money but you can see they still lack to understand the value of that money , don't be fooled they are smart and could be a big part of the Canadian society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollface View Post
    I lost my sympathy when I noticed that the person behind the hunger strike was obese.
    hehe , the first time i saw her i thought her hunger strike could last forever

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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...it-monday.html

    First obesity, now audit issues. Not sure if this is a Conservative gov't ploy to destroy their credibility. Like billion dollar boondoggle, this may be nothing. It's probably nothing.

    EDIT: comments to the article are despicable...why do we have so many retards in Canada? holy shit.
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    Probably more true then you think, being given that much money with zero oversight for the most part will lead to corruption issues.

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    104 million over 6.5 years for 2000 people is $8,000 per person/year.That's for housing,education, police,fire, health,water,sewage and any other municipal expenses.

    Statscan:
    In 2008/2009, the average cost to educate a student for one year in Canada amounted to $11,614, up 40.9% from $8,244 in 2002/2003. The average includes all students at the elementary, secondary, adult and vocational levels.
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    My favorite part is that the "co-manager" of the reserve, who is supposed to be independent and making sure shit is done properly, is the Chief's live-in boyfriend.

    The majority of the problems on reserves like Attawapiskat have nothing to do with lack of funding from the government, and everything to do with horrendous management of reserve funds, if not outright corruption. There are dozens upon dozens of band Chiefs across the country that make more than the Prime Minister does (http://taxpayer.com/federal/new-jaw-...ve-pay-numbers). How much fucking sense does that make?

    Back to Spence and her partner:

    Spence's spokesman has been refusing to answer questions about the financial management in Attawapiskat, including one about a Facebook post asking for donations to support Spence's protest.

    Macleans.ca reported Dec. 27 that Spence's team was offering bank account information on the official Facebook page of the hunger strike, for those who wanted to make donations. The account was listed as belonging to Kennedy, Spence's live-in partner and the band's co-manager.

    When someone commented on the post to say that the tribal council that runs the region around Attawapiskat was also taking donations, the Spence supporter who first posted the account information replied that Spence "does not want anybody but Clay to handle finances."

    The Facebook post has since been removed.
    Nice.
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...of-action.html

    These idiots are doing nothing to further their cause by pulling shit like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...of-action.html

    These idiots are doing nothing to further their cause by pulling shit like this.

    "This is baloney," one man shouted.
    lolcanadians

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    I'm sure the full quote is, "I'm sorry, but, this is baloney!"

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    Who wants to bet her hunger strike was as stringent as her band's accounting practices?

    BBIqx47CMAEd6oO.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Who wants to bet her hunger strike was as stringent as her band's accounting practices?

    BBIqx47CMAEd6oO.jpg
    She was suppose to drink Fish broth ( bouillon) only ! she must have drink gallons everyday though!

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    So harper isn't doing us any favors in terms of press freedom, we've dropped from 10th place to 20th because of his policies in limiting access to information and his limiting the speech of government funded scientists.

    Canada specifically:
    http://en.rsf.org/report-canada,170.html

    The full index:
    http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

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    It sounds like Canadian Indians need to been sent down to Oklahoma to take some classes from our Indian tribes here. They went from pretty much worthless to making billions a year in the Casino business.

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    That casino money seems to have created major conflict within american indian tribes, there is large pressure from the casino owning indians to disqualify other indians so they don't have to pay them, yes some of them are richer, but it's split whatever cohesiveness they had left and increased the disintegration of their culture. unless of course you think casino's are Indian culture.

    So who exactly are the casino's better for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanaskin View Post
    That casino money seems to have created major conflict within american indian tribes, there is large pressure from the casino owning indians to disqualify other indians so they don't have to pay them, yes some of them are richer, but it's split whatever cohesiveness they had left and increased the disintegration of their culture. unless of course you think casino's are Indian culture.

    So who exactly are the casino's better for?
    Pretty much no one. They are all corrupt as shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    It sounds like Canadian Indians need to been sent down to Oklahoma to take some classes from our Indian tribes here. They went from pretty much worthless to making billions a year in the Casino business.
    Casinos don't need to be located on-reserve here. There's plenty off them off-reserve. We don't have puritanical views/laws about restriction of gambling like the US does in many states. There's a couple on reserve ones though, and while they do provide the bands with funding most of the jobs go to off reserve non-Indians for lack of Indians who want to work in them (or, you know, anywhere else). So the funding just goes in to the same slush funds that the corrupt band chiefs and councils use to enrich themselves.

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    Here's some Canadian politicking

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04...-negotiations/

    Eff these overpaid cashiers. LCBO workers make insane cash for the monkey work they do.

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    Can't really comment on the specifics, but it's ridiculous that most liquor sales and distribution in Ontario are still government run.

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    Each province does it differently? Both of those facts are odd to me.

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    Canadian provinces are much more independent than American states, for the most part. They're responsible for health care, education and the like with little or no interference from the Feds (other than setting basic standards and providing funding). Alberta privatized liquor sales almost a couple decades ago now, and it's gone fairly well. There's still some idiotic regulations though, like not letting grocery stores sell booze. My main beef is that are too fucking many liquor stores taking up retail space. Let grocery stores sell wine and beer at least, and let half of the small shithole stores go out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Canadian provinces are much more independent than American states
    Your list of areas of provincial jurisdiction is correct, but I'm pretty sure states have those same powers you just listed and more. Power is much more centralized in Canada. A few examples:

    Gun laws - different in every state
    Gay marriage - different in every state

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    Gun laws can vary from province to province as well. Quebec's been doing it's own thing with their own gun registry. Same thing with marriage. Alberta was actually the first to bring in civil unions a couple decades ago, before it became a legal matter. Once the courts got involved though, all the provinces had to recognize the decision, much the same as would happen in the US.

    I guess it's a matter of opinion, but my understanding is that provinces have more independence than states do, at least in terms of things like health care (not easily comparable due to the very different nature of our systems), education (there is no Federal department of education here, grade school is left 100% to the provinces with zero federal input unlike in the US) and spending/debt raising (aren't a lot or even most US states forbidden from raising debt?).

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    Fuck all that gaygun noize. We're talking about booze here.

    I don't want to lose the physical LCBO store They're sexy. They can however ditch the shit hours of operation.

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    It turns out the LCBO app is pretty handy - I have it on my iPhone. You can search their catalog of products and mark stuff you like as a favorite, and then ask it to tell you which stores close to you have that item in stock. Without the app, I could never remember which wines I'd tried previously and liked.

    On the one hand, I love that we have a store called "The Beer Store". That just seems right to me.

    On the other hand, I really hate not being able to buy beer and wine at the grocery store. I love being able to do this in the US. My desire for convenience really wins out on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adebisi View Post
    Here's some Canadian politicking

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04...-negotiations/

    Eff these overpaid cashiers. LCBO workers make insane cash for the monkey work they do.
    My mom worked for the LCBO for 30 years, while I agree they're probably over paid for what they do but I'd hate to see a race to the bottom in terms of wages (though new employees start off much lower than what they used to). My mom keeps telling how great the LCBO is and how it can put a bottle on the shelf cheaper than any other business. Personally I'm fine with it's existence as long as other entities are allowed to compete directly against it, and if it truly does a better job as they claim to then it shouldn't have any issues with competing.

    In it's defense all the profits it generates go back into the Ontario government, so I see little reason to privatize it as long as it can turn a profit.

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    Used to work at the BCL for while not too long ago. Starting wage was over $19 an hour, for a simple cashier job. They're way overpaid.

    The wine experts etc. know their stuff though, and their vast experience and knowledge can really help customers. I wish their wine experts knew more about other types of liquor too, like scotch etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haka View Post
    Used to work at the BCL for while not too long ago. Starting wage was over $19 an hour, for a simple cashier job. They're way overpaid.
    Actually, to be honest, if wages at tracked productivity, real wages would be kind of close to this. Our perception of the value of labor is really fucked given profits (Which is why companies make record, obscene profits now.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithose View Post
    Actually, to be honest, if wages at tracked productivity, real wages would be kind of close to this. Our perception of the value of labor is really fucked given profits (Which is why companies make record, obscene profits now.)
    If wages tracked profits, real MINIMUM wages would be over that, actually.

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013...en_porter.html

    Liberals bribing their way for single women's vote by mandating women's study in high school courses.
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    How is that "bribing", exactly?

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    bro, that's what politicians do. gender study appeals to single woman voting bloc. liberals need any scraps they can get for the majority. by riding on that nova scotia suicide story (rape story which has yet to be proven or dis-proven), this is sure to be a win win policy for liberals and women's study degrees.
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    Politicians cater to blocs of voters? No fucking shit. Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Again, please explain to be how that is "bribery" or why this particular example is so egregious that it needs to be pointed out in particular, as opposed to any other policy plank of a typical political party that caters to women, men, seniors, immigrants, businesses, public employees, private employees, or any of an infinite number of groups or people.

    You know what's a real political issue? How badly they fucked up those power plant contracts. Half a billion dollars, out the door. Shit, that could have built the Oilers a new rink.

    Also, your comment about the "rape story which has yet to be proven or dis-proven" is your "legimate rape" moment bro. What the fuck needs to be proven? 4 dudes fucked an incoherent drunk teenager at a party, took pictures of it, distributed them widely, and the school drove her to suicide. By every account I've read she was too drunk to give consent. That's rape, let alone what happened to her after. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Also, your comment about the "rape story which has yet to be proven or dis-proven" is your "legimate rape" moment bro. What the fuck needs to be proven? 4 dudes fucked an incoherent drunk teenager at a party, took pictures of it, distributed them widely, and the school drove her to suicide. By every account I've read she was too drunk to give consent. That's rape, let alone what happened to her after. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
    I don't give a shit about your definition of rape. That discussion is moot for this discussion. Your opinion is irrelevant to the law at hand anyhow. Was the rape real, was the consent given, etc? I don't know. The police said they weren't sure, cannot proceed without concrete evidence and "conflicting" testimonies at hand (witnesses vs. alleged victim). But you somehow know better than the police, the people at the party (her friend testified that the victim wouldn't leave despite her urge...twice), and the supposed victim herself? Eomer, you the rock star. Good luck proving that in the court of law and how that holds up without the evidence. I stand by innocent until proven guilty.

    Note: alleged.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...ve-in-alleged/
    Also, the article itself:
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...htaeh-parsons/

    I am not about to go into pitch forking mode because some kid decided OR not decided to have sex with 3-4 boys. Bullying was wrong, but is this a case of rape? You claim to know. I don't. Because I wasn't there. Because I don't know the full story leading up to the act of sex itself, or thereafter, which are just as important as the act of sex. But please, do tell me about how much you fucking hate rape and love the media hype.
    "Politicians cater to blocs of voters? No fucking shit. Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Again, please explain to be how that is "bribery" or why this particular example is so egregious that it needs to be pointed out in particular, as opposed to any other policy plank of a typical political party that caters to women, men, seniors, immigrants, businesses, public employees, private employees, or any of an infinite number of groups or people.
    Why do I need to justify the obvious? Apple is apple, orange is orange. Do I need to expand on that or do you not understand what apple is? Does it matter if it is so egregious or not? I do not give a shit. It is what it is.

    You know what's a real political issue? How badly they fucked up those power plant contracts. Half a billion dollars, out the door. Shit, that could have built the Oilers a new rink.
    No shit bro. Link it and talk to yourself about it if you don't like it that much. HUR HUR.
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    Liberals ain't gonna win shit until they combine the NDP and Liberal parties.

    Third party is shit without runoff voting.

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    Military and civilian procurement is the biggest scandal in Canada. Incompetence at the highest levels in government including the bureaucracy. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n-mystery.html

    A CBC News investigation has uncovered a $250-million mystery at the heart of Canada's ambitious shipbuilding program.

    Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose and Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced March 7 in Halifax that Ottawa will pay Irving Shipbuilding $288 million just to design – not build – a fleet of new Arctic offshore patrol ships.

    Irving will then build the ships under a separate contract.

    However, a survey of similar patrol ships bought by other countries shows they paid a fraction of that $288 million to actually build the ships – and paid less than a tenth as much for the design.

    In addition, the design of Canada's new ships is based upon a Norwegian vessel whose design Ottawa has already bought for just $5 million.

    The Norwegian ship, the Svalbard, was designed and built for less than $100 million in 2002.

    Experts say the design price is normally 10-20 per cent of the total cost of the ships.

    Another country with Arctic interests, Denmark, acquired two patrol ships for $105 million in 2007.

    They have modest ice-breaking capability, similar to the Canadian project, which allows for the ships to crunch through "summer ice" – about one-metre thick.

    The Irish navy now is building two offshore patrol ships for $125 million.

    In all cases, these prices include the design.

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    No surprise there. Our military and civilian procurement has been a fucking disaster for going on 30 years now. How in the FUCK can it cost 250 million just to design a frigate, especially when we're apparently using an already existing design?

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    It's definitely embarrassing considering the cost of the designs for other countries was only $5 million. It was also said that if the designs had to be modified at all, the most it would cost after the initial purchase would be an extra $15 million depending on how much you decided to modify the plans. There needs to be a full accounting of personnel and their work in these departments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
    It's definitely embarrassing considering the cost of the designs for other countries was only $5 million. It was also said that if the designs had to be modified at all, the most it would cost after the initial purchase would be an extra $15 million depending on how much you decided to modify the plans. There needs to be a full accounting of personnel and their work in these departments.
    I wouldn't even call it embarrassing, it just seems like outright corruption. Somebody is getting a lot of money to do nothing, and there is definitely some kind of kick back going on.

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    Think of it this way, if it takes 5 years to design the ships, which is questionable in itself, that would equal 300-350 engineers and ship architects working on it non-stop at $150,000 a year (which in itself is generous). To revise an already purchased design.

    I doubt it's outright corruption, though. I think it's far more likely it's incompetence and idiotic bureaucracy. There's a reason every single major military procurement program in the past 30 years has been a complete clusterfuck. Whether it's replacements for the Sea King helicopters (which itself has been ongoing for close to 30 years now), new tanks, or buying used piece of shit subs from Britain that leak, start on fire and/or crash in to the sea bottom they're all fucking disasters. Hell even look at the long gun registry. It's pretty apparent the Federal government bureaucracy is completely incompetent.

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    I bet all of that money went to the hordes of consultants the Harper government hired.

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    We're the purchasing equivalent of the goldfish who shits, turns around and eats it, spits it out , swims a lap, and then eats the shit again.

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    We should probably hire SNC Lavalin to modify the drawings...
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    Only if family of Gaddafi is on the payroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    every single major military procurement program in the past 30 years has been a complete clusterfuck.
    Pretty much starting with the Avro Arrow / Bomarck missile debacle.

    avro-arrow-landing.jpg
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    http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...o_scandal.html

    Rob Ford in 'crack cocaine' video scandal
    A video that appears to show Toronto’s mayor smoking crack is being shopped around by a group of Somali men involved in the drug trade.

    Spoiler: 
    A cellphone video that appears to show Mayor Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine is being shopped around Toronto by a group of Somali men involved in the drug trade.

    Two Toronto Star reporters have viewed the video three times. It appears to show Ford in a room, sitting in a chair, wearing a white shirt, top buttons open, inhaling from what appears to be a glass crack pipe. Ford is incoherent, trading jibes with an off-camera speaker who goads the clearly impaired mayor by raising topics including Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and the Don Bosco high school football team Ford coaches.

    “I’m f---ing right-wing,” Ford appears to mutter at one point. “Everyone expects me to be right-wing. I’m just supposed to be this great.…” and his voice trails off. At another point he is heard calling Trudeau a “fag.” Later in the 90-second video he is asked about the football team and he appears to say (though he is mumbling), “they are just f---ing minorities.”

    The Star had no way to verify the authenticity of the video, which appears to clearly show Ford in a well-lit room. The Star was told the video was shot during the past winter at a house south of Dixon Rd. and Kipling Avenue. What follows is an account based on what both reporters viewed on the video screen. Attempts to reach the mayor and members of his staff to get comment on this story were unsuccessful.

    A lawyer retained by Ford, Dennis Morris, said that Thursday evening’s publication by the U.S.-based Gawker website of some details related to the video was “false and defamatory.” Morris told the Star that by viewing any video it is impossible to tell what a person is doing. “How can you indicate what the person is actually doing or smoking?” Morris said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evernothing View Post
    Pretty much starting with the Avro Arrow / Bomarck missile debacle.

    avro-arrow-landing.jpg
    To be fair, Canada was paid to scuttle the program so that there would be no competition for American military companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodj View Post
    http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...o_scandal.html

    Rob Ford in 'crack cocaine' video scandal
    A video that appears to show Toronto’s mayor smoking crack is being shopped around by a group of Somali men involved in the drug trade.

    Spoiler: 
    A cellphone video that appears to show Mayor Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine is being shopped around Toronto by a group of Somali men involved in the drug trade.

    Two Toronto Star reporters have viewed the video three times. It appears to show Ford in a room, sitting in a chair, wearing a white shirt, top buttons open, inhaling from what appears to be a glass crack pipe. Ford is incoherent, trading jibes with an off-camera speaker who goads the clearly impaired mayor by raising topics including Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and the Don Bosco high school football team Ford coaches.

    “I’m f---ing right-wing,” Ford appears to mutter at one point. “Everyone expects me to be right-wing. I’m just supposed to be this great.…” and his voice trails off. At another point he is heard calling Trudeau a “fag.” Later in the 90-second video he is asked about the football team and he appears to say (though he is mumbling), “they are just f---ing minorities.”

    The Star had no way to verify the authenticity of the video, which appears to clearly show Ford in a well-lit room. The Star was told the video was shot during the past winter at a house south of Dixon Rd. and Kipling Avenue. What follows is an account based on what both reporters viewed on the video screen. Attempts to reach the mayor and members of his staff to get comment on this story were unsuccessful.

    A lawyer retained by Ford, Dennis Morris, said that Thursday evening’s publication by the U.S.-based Gawker website of some details related to the video was “false and defamatory.” Morris told the Star that by viewing any video it is impossible to tell what a person is doing. “How can you indicate what the person is actually doing or smoking?” Morris said.
    What next with that fucking moron? Jesus. Fifth largest municipality in North America, and they elected a fat fucking mess as mayor.

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    Linked from Gawker, somebody claiming in March that mr Ford was a crack addict via comments.

    http://www.torontomike.com/2013/03/t...comment-234172

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    What next with that fucking moron? Jesus. Fifth largest municipality in North America, and they elected a fat fucking mess as mayor.
    Voters being retarded is universal

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    good fucking grief. he better get voted out.

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    So when the fuck is Canada going to stop allowing Quebec to get away with murder? Fucking Quebec has become the poster child for how appeasement doesn't work.. Meanwhile they simultaneously rant about how Canada sucks whilst tightening the thumbscrews on Anglophone residents, all the while happily pocketing federal transfer payments.

    I grew up in Montreal all my life and it's an amazing city, but I went to visit a few weeks ago and holy fuck the level of French Nazism has reached a crescendo level. I mean I would think that it's almost gotten to the point where they are violating human rights or something.. Now unless you speak *fluent* French you have no chance at a decent job. Meanwhile you have all these pretentious French d-bags refusing to speak to you in English because "nobody spoke to them in French when they visit Florida or Ontario". WTF? The province is so fucking out of touch with reality that the maps (info-tourists) they place downtown for tourists so they can find landmarks is entirely in FRENCH lol...

    Just fucking take Montreal by force and let the rest of the province break off into their own country.

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    Every single person who wants Québec to separate needs to GTFO of the country, right fucking now. They're a minority and they need to get over themselves. If every other minority acted the way they're acting, they would be (rightfully) told to shut the fuck up and get over it, kinda like Theresa Spence just was.

    If they want to live in a country that is primarily French, there's a country for that. It's called France.

    Although, I might warm up to separation if all the hot French chicks stay in Montreal, and we get to keep Montreal. There's room for negotiation here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    No surprise there. Our military and civilian procurement has been a fucking disaster for going on 30 years now. How in the FUCK can it cost 250 million just to design a frigate, especially when we're apparently using an already existing design?
    The Canadian government back in 80s borrowed some of the standards from the U.S. Government in order to qualify for joint projects. Among these are a series of regulations in procurement and testing that essentially require the use of very specific vendors for 'quality' purposes that have nothing to do with the quality of the parts but rather the presence of a 'quality system' as well as inflated security concerns.

    The net result is that the designs have to be essentially redesigned using different standards and procure elements from a completely separate list of suppliers. Getting on these lists costs $$ so they in turn charge $$$$ to the end government contractor. In addition the very simple part manufactured, for example, in China has to be replaced with a non Chinese part. These things are never exact matches and the vendors, because they have you by the balls anyway, have no incentive to be cooperative and thus you end up redesigning things further to accommodate these changes...which cause more changes...etc.

    End result is just what you see here, thousands of hours of engineering time to recreate the wheel followed by build costs that are orders of magnitude higher than what would be necessary without these standards.

    Oh and nothing in these quality and security standards actually guarantees any additional quality or security. Chances are the place you procure the electronics from is just repackaging counterfeit chinese parts in the first place.

    Isn't government fun!!?

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    I listen to Canadian radio here in Germany. You guys have zero room to complain about any other countries politicians ever. You have some of the most corrupt individuals ever elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
    I listen to Canadian radio here in Germany. You guys have zero room to complain about any other countries politicians ever. You have some of the most corrupt individuals ever elected.
    Who has claimed otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Who has claimed otherwise?
    I just see Canadians complaining about Bush still is all when your people are a special kind of blatantly obvious corrupt.
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    Yeah, that's a pretty idiotic statement. Most of the problems/complaints with Bush had little to do with actual corruption (Halliburton aside).

    Didn't you quit the boards in a huff about 4 days ago?

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    No I quit posting for a while, read it again. I came back when Sean shit the bed on somebody else. I also am not posting very regularly any more. You might get a week of me and then nothing for two.
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    The complaints about Bush didn't concern corruption, but the fact that the guy was a total fucking simpleton. Canada may elect corrupt officials, but at least they usually aren't total fucking morons. People poke fun at US politics not because of corruption, but because circus sideshows like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman can actually get elected to significant government positions.


    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
    I just see Canadians complaining about Bush still is all when your people are a special kind of blatantly obvious corrupt.

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    So smoking crack isn't pants on your head retarded?
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    the thing about Canadian and American politic is that Canadian MPs are selected by the party while American congressmen/senators are elected through primaries.

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    BTW not saying don't make fun of Bush. I sat at a table with him for lunch with him. Not the brightest bulb.
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    no individual MPs are important, really, unless they are in the cabinet. Most of MPS are backbenchers who vote along the party line. They can't speak to media without the approval of party whip. It's tightly controlled. If some do break out, that is considered scandal and hilarious front page news. That's why American politic appears to be more dumb because more congressmen/senators have freedom to speak out as often as they like. Some Canadian MPs are elected purely because the riding likes them, but many, if not most, are just elected because the riding likes the party--not the member necessarily. MPs can be kicked out of the caucus just like that as well, which is a career ending moment.

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    Like the two recently getting kicked out of the caucaus? Resigning from the caucaus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
    Like the two recently getting kicked out of the caucaus? Resigning from the caucaus?
    Well, that's a different ball of wax altogether. Our Senate is not like your Senate in the slightest. Here it's a useless relic used for patronage. Senators are appointed for lifetime terms, or at least they used to be. I think it was changed to mandatory retirement at 75 or something, and the current Conservatives have tried to (succeeded?) in bringing in term limits. But without Constitutional change, it's impossible to reform or abolish (and constitutional change is itself impossible in Canada, because any time anything is attempted Quebec is all like "fuck no you aren't amending shit until you cave to our every demand and whim").

    So every 5 years or so we get some blow up about some useless fuckbag of a Senator who is abusing expenses, showing up 10% of the time, or beating the shit out of his wife and/or raping her out of frustration for getting his ass beaten by Justin Trudeau in a celebrity boxing match (true story). And they're almost impossible to get rid of. So the couple Senators that you're referring to when you mention the resignations have not in fact had their careers ended, because they can just sit as independents until they have to retire and collect their gold plated pension (no Senator in their right mind would give up their position willingly, it's such an easy and lucrative gig). In return for being allowed to be useless fuckbags, the Senate happily passes virtually any legislation put before it with barely a debate or second thought regardless of whether party mix in the Senate leans Liberal or Conservative (NDP Senator? Hah! Never had one of those!).

    So yeah, it's really kind of a fucked up situation. Canada really doesn't have a bicameral government, nor any sort of separation between the executive and the legislative branches. The executive controls the legislature, as Trollface was saying. Expulsion from a party for an MP (the equivalent of Congressmen) is pretty much political death in all but the most unique circumstances.

    So if anything it's a credit to Canada that our government isn't even more corrupt! Can you imagine Italians running this system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenzied Wombat View Post
    The complaints about Bush didn't concern corruption
    Well my main complaint about him is that he's a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands (if not over a million) innocents on his hands. Well that and he hasn't taken a long drop down a short rope somewhere in Geneva.
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    any constitutional change will involve Quebec demanding something in return, despite the fact that it may have nothing to do with the change itself. In fact, you are going to see Aboriginals and other "groups" demanding something as well...just for the sake of change....

    It will be a fuck up that nobody would ever want...and senate will remain..forever...
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    The Rob Ford CrackStarter.. they're trying to raise 200k to buy the video. I donated 50$ just for the lawlz

    http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rob-ford-crackstarter

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    I really hope that this video makes it public.

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    Ontario conservative party leader Tim Hudak got caught up in Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's crack smoking story which includes a possible murder, because his brother Doug Ford was a star candidate for the conservatives in the upcoming provincial election. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle12264201/

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    So they raised all that money and now lost contact with the people with the video?

    Conspiracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
    So they raised all that money and now lost contact with the people with the video?

    Conspiracy?
    It's quite possible the mayor and his people offered up more money for it. Or they were threatened. Or it wasn't legitimate, even if some video exists, perhaps it was doctored. Who knows at this point? There was also a story published that the Mayor's brother, who is also a city councillor, was involved in hash dealing in the 80's, his sister was caught up with drug dealers, and so on. Really what it all comes down to is that Rob Ford and his family are apparently complete and total scum bags.

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