Not Quebec that's for sure.
I'm ready to leave my current city and my job allows me to move just about anywhere, so I'm looking for an amazing place to live.
FoH/Rerolled community has been a fantastic resource for all kinds of great stuff over the years, so I'm turning to you guys now for your opinions on where I should go.
Here is my rating criteria. Note- *Everything* on this list isn't a necessity. I'm just looking for the best combination of things.
-Climate: Prefer mediterranean or semi-arid. Lots of sun. Long, warm, and dry summers with cool, short winters. Avoid places with excessively long, hot, humid summers or places with long, cold winters.
-Affordability: Pretty self-explanatory. I would like to buy property in the near future and would like to get the best bang for my buck. I can't afford somewhere like San Fran, DC, or NYC, but could probably swing most other places.
-Culture and Cuisine: Culture- Is the city a paragon of progressiveness or a stagnant backwater? Does the city have history? Style? Cleanliness? Personality? Does it get good music venues? Nightlife? Cuisine- how many good restaurants? Organic grocery stores/farmers markets?
-Convenience: How much of a headache is traffic? Easy public transportation? Overcrowded? High crime? Factor in the ability to live downtown and walkability. How is the shopping? Do you have to order everything online?
-Local Points of Interest: Fun things to do within 45 minutes of where you live. I'm big on the outdoors. Waterparks, music venues, beach, parks, mountains, hiking, rivers. General outdoor activities. Proximity to water/mountains is a big factor here.
-Nearby Points of Interest: Obviously, there are plenty of great places that don't necessarily have fun out door activities right in their back yard. Nearby points of interest include places that are a 3-hour or less drive away.
Cities currently on my short list:
San Diego, CA
Raleigh, NC (close to family in VA and that's another factor)
San Jose, CA
Obviously, all of those place aside from Raleigh have affordability issues.
If you know anything about those places (especially Boulder) or know of another cool place you would recommend, let me know!
Not Quebec that's for sure.
I'd dump Boulder if you want short winters.
It's also over run with Moon Bats.
My parents fell for the average annual temperature scam. Average temp where the live now is probably like 65. They visited it in the fall and it was gorgeous. What it doesn't tell you is that it spends like 5 months at 30° or less and the summer can get go 100.
Lived in Boulder for 3 years, its absolutely amazing in most of your criteria. Winters aren't that bad but you do get crushed once every few years with a doozy of a storm. Doesn't meet your criteria for affordability though, real estate is about on par with the cost here in So Cal, at least it was a few years ago last time I visited.
Are you restricted to the USA or were you talking about anywhere in the world?
I lived in San Diego for the better part of 14 years. Aside from the affordability point, it should meet your criteria pretty well. If you do end up there, resist the temptation to live in the east county areas - you'll end up with the hot ass summers you're trying to avoid. There's still some deals to be had there though, from what I'd seen the housing market hasn't yet caught up to where it was before the burst.
I might also recommend checking out San Luis Obispo, CA. It's a central CA college town - it's pretty clean, low crime, small enough of a town that walking/biking most places isn't a chore. Shopping isn't bad, they have a huge farmer's market every week and their downtown area has a decent variety of shops, and most anything you want short of designer clothes is probably within 15 miles. They've got a growing beer scene if you're into that (and Firestone Walker's and a few other places within 30 mins drive), and Paso Robles about 30 mins up the road is pretty much all wine scene. I hadn't seen any of the local musicians in my time visiting there, but the Paso area gets a decent variety of bigger name acts especially in the summer. Tons of hiking, lots of trails within ~10 mins drive, and so many beach towns. Plus it's centrally located so if you wanted to make a weekend trip to SD, LA, San Jose, San Fran, etc it's all very doable. It's grown up a lot in the last 15 years (my in-law's live nearby and we visit probably about 3-5x a year), you might check it out.
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As for the weather, you can't really read online what it's like to live anywhere near here. You put it in your post but it'll go from a 36 hour (damn near) whiteout blizzard to 65-70 degrees the next day and vice versa. Weather coming off the Rockies brings a lot of peculiar and iffy speculation, but 300 days of sunshine means it melts quickly (usually). Other nice thing is there is next to no humidity here, maybe 5-15% on the worst of days in the summer when it gets hot and rainy.
One other thing to keep in mind, prices in Boulder specifically may be jacked because the flood 2 years ago destroyed a ton of shit. Freak of nature storm, sure, but I'd probably avoid buying there until it settles (may have already, don't go out there too often).
Is proximity to your family in VA overriding your desire to avoid long, humid summers? 'Cause that's what you're gonna get in Raleigh. This one has been horrendous.
Austin TX is nice, but the traffic is horrendous. The weather is tolerable, tbh. While it does get hot, its not overly humid (such as Houston) and the winters are generally mild with usually less than 10 days a year actually going under freezing. August is generally the worst of the year. Austin is also a massive bastion of progressiveness in a state that is highly conservative and as such is not affordable to most people here - but is much more affordable than other places on your list. It's full of condo towers, a massive music scene that rivals (but does not exceed) Nashvilles, and has plenty to do. It's also ridiculously easy to get a job here (2.5% unemployment rate).
It might not be the *best* choice based on your criteria, but it's at least worth a look.
If state income tax isn't a actor for you, it should be, and Nashville has none
Culture, Cuisine, Mediterranean? Buy your own island from Greece. I don't know how boat traffic is there, though, and how far a boat gets you in 45 minutes.
My girlfriend lives in Austin. She hates it, but she's like me. More of a rural get the hell out of town type person. She makes almost as much as I do and she still complains about how much housing cost, and traffic. I live close enough I can run into town there if I need something or want to catch a band or something (about 1-1/2 hours give or take) without all the people, traffic and all that, but I realise that's not for 99% of the people.
No beach, the closest you come to that is to get out on the lake or the river which is incredibly popular this time of year for floating.
Prior to that she lived just outside of Lexington. She didn't like it either. Maybe the pattern here is she just likes to bitch.
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Not sure it would fit, because item #1 is mostly contradicted but regardless here's my review of Brevard County, FL [outside Cape Canaveral - specifically Merritt Island]
-Climate: Sun, check. Arid/Semi-Arid, no humidity is technically high, HOWEVER outdoors due to an almost constant 4-7 mph breeze from the Gulf Stream often doesn't feel that hot outdoors (A/C however indoors is a must in most cases). ZERO winters (literally no snow recorded for the county that I see). Supposedly the average annual high is only 92F (this is supposed to be the hottest week of the year this past week, and our max was 92F one day)
-Affordability: Value is all over the place, there's literally multimillion dollar mansions to properties under $150k without leaving Merritt Island, even gorgeous canalfront properties like what I'm currently renting regularly sell around $300k. If you're willing to go off the island you can get enormous places in Palm Bay for example for under $200k with a pool. If you like being near water at all however, it's the most affordable community I've ever seen without making some large sacrifices.
-Culture and Cuisine: Well on Culture, we've got Ron Jon and Cocoa Beach as one aspect of culture - all the space program stuff here - and of course more mainstream "culture" aplenty if you hike 60-90 min away to Orlando. Cuisine is relatively hit or miss in the county itself, but again, Orlando and outlying areas to Orlando (60-90 min away) and you literally have anything you can dream of, for obvious reasons.
-Convenience: Traffic - Very light, goes for the entire county. Public transportation/walkability - not so great great for an area with this low of a population density though. (I'd compare it MD for both - while still rural) Crowded, not at all. Crime is below the national average, I think the lowest crime county in the entire state. Shopping is pretty amazing for such a small area, thanks to Cocoa Beach being next door we've got an amazing amount of shopping all within around 3 miles for quite a low population. (Besides Best Buy at least, only thing that involves a hike - that's about a 40 min trip to get to)
-Local Points of Interest:60-90 min from all the Orlando attractions (I don't need to go into it). Port Canaveral (scheduled to be the biggest cruise port in the US by 2020). Lots of springs/natural hiking trails (esp bird watching ones) nearby. Literally ON water to the point where I'd estimate 20-30% of the local population own a boat of some size. Literally can fish from quite a few homes - depending on where on the island even have manatees that will sun in the canal. [Ours is one such during the winter]
ZERO mountains (its Florida after all).
-Nearby Points of Interest: Already covered most of the 60-90 range since Orlando is so ubiquitous. Keys are around a 4 hr drive or so and seem like they'd be awesome (not visited yet).
And to just reinforce an aspect you seem to have heavily implied - due to the combination of a number of factors:
2) Wonderful area with plentiful opportunities for entertainment of various sorts
3) ZERO state income tax
4) A very lenient homestead exemption on property tax
5) A generally tech/engineer heavy population due to NASA, the Air Force, and aeronautics industry being so large here.
There is a really booming population of "nerd culture" here that has really been pretty amazing - there's other groups like retirees and such too - but tons of work at home tech types have flocked here because of so many things that appeal to nerd culture.
[And while I do have a bias towards Merritt Island specifically, North Melbourne/Viera/PSJ is quite nice as well - slightly more affordable even I think, further from water though [like 20 min away] but would also have you within 35-40 min of Orlando, etc]
A possible negative to the county, and ESPECIALLY to Merritt Island however, is if you like a diverse mix of racial groups - Merritt Island itself is incredibly white, something like 97-98% with the county being in the upper 80% range.
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I was just in Melbourne this past spring to see some spring training stuff. I used to live in Ft. Myers, FL, and hated it, so I expected the same from Melbourne. I was really surprised at how much nicer that area of FL was. Very clean, not too much traffic, going downtown was fun, beach was great. I also found the best breakfast spot I've ever been to.
Not a fan of Miami or the Gulf Coast (don't know about the pan handle), but the space coast area is probably the one place in Florida I would consider moving after my experience this past spring. Thanks for the rec.
And yea, if affordability is a concern, definitely check the property values in comparison. They're honestly ludicrous here.
Definitely avoid Titusville/Mims from how you sound though - I'd label them as very "trashy" areas.
The breakfast spot was the Beachside Cafe. Not fancy at all, but the food was outstanding and it was impossible to leave anything but full. We found it the first day and literally ate there all 5 mornings. Gained fucking 5+ pounds too, but it was worth it.
Where's a great place to live if you fucking hate people but want high speed internet?
Kay Bailey Hutchison bought the land across the road while still in office and they put a CO for DSL at the end of my driveway. This was before 50mg become a common place. It was on par with cable at the time.
The nearest "town" had 300 people (300 on the sign going east to west, 225 going west to east lol) and to have DSL at the end of my driveway was pretty nice.
Found a really good one in PSJ, forgetting the name at the moment though. Something Greek.
Gold Coast Australia. Warm winters. Not TOO hot summers (still hot at points) about 20 different beaches all along its coast. 20 minutes inland and you are into the hinterland with acreage properties. 80 dollars flights to Sydney if you want to see Australia's main city. 1hour traffic free drive to a bigger city in Brisbane but Gold Coast is a city itself. Theme Parks for kids. Probably the hottest women per dude in Australia. Gold Coast is one of the best places to live in the world hands down.
Don't consider San Jose. It fails the culture. Unless you really enjoy Asian cuisine.
Austin is going to become a complete cluster-fuck in a couple years if not sooner. The cool places are closing down, high rises are going up. It is a boom town that does not have the infrastructure to handle the influx of people coming here. Cool stuff to do here though.
As far as getting a job here... Truth, I have experienced it and know plenty of folks that go through it these days. I am looking to move.
I have lived all over the U.S. Chicago without a doubt is probably the best, but the winters and the traffic suuuuck.
A guy I work with got a job in Stuttgart, DE a few months back. Now my boss is heading there, and I just got a job opportunity there. I won't go now because I am about a year from completing my MS and I want to get a couple more certs plus some more exp before I change zones. However, the offer was enough to get my wife thinking about overseas opportunities. Any Americans done anything like that? We are thinking the usual places for US military work: Germany, Japan, Korea. Now I probably can't be trusted around a sea of Asian women so Europe is the more likely scenario.
I worry about my kids. Especially if we end up staying there for a while, then what happens when they graduate high school and stuff.idk, a lot to think about.
San Francisco if you can afford it. Honestly, it is a pretty fucking spectacular place to live.
Nods to N.Y. and to London (although, again, not exactly cheap) and a little love to Toronto and my home of Calgary. That's just homeboy love though of course. If it works for you then Edinborough is a pretty cool place oddly too. Kinda hip vibe for what is basically an oil ghetto with chavs and hooligans. The city is like Portland mixed in with Detroit (although almost all white with some pakistanis and indians mixed in for the making of foods).
Seriously though, SF is pretty goddamned amazing if you can cover.
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Those are like the most expensive cities in the world bro, London especially
Honestly phoenix isn't bad. It doesn't shit culture out the ass but it is extremely cheap when you consider its the 6th largest city in the country. Summers suck balls but we have amazing falls winters and springs. Never have to worry about any natural disasters, ever. And you're only 1 to 2 hours away from great outdoors areas. With all the money you save living here you can just take trips to ask the places you want to go.
Come to Philly. Good climate, certainly tons of history and culture... and we'll keep you safe from the robot onslaught.
I don't know how old you are, but if I were you I would stay close to your family. "Amazing" places to live are just places once you get there and you have to ask yourself how much you will really participate in the cultural stuff. I used to hear from people in California all the fucking time "I would never live far away from the ocean" but then when you ask them when they last went to the beach it was 10 years ago. News Flash - You can go to the beach every 10 years no matter where you live. Part of that is the fact that the beaches in Northern California are cold and windy and generally unpleasant, but the point stands. You will always want/need to see your family. Having access to an authentic Laotian restaurant is very optional and something you're probably not going to take advantage of that often. Also, with the money you save by not living in these so-called cultural centers, you can afford to take more vacations and visit all of the cultural centers instead of the one you're paying an extra $2000 a month for the privilege of living close to and if you're close to family you won't have to waste your vacation time going to see them either.
The fact that this subreddit is as popular as it is shows you just how much dumb shit happens in Florida: Florida Man!
I kind of agree about California beaches. The Pacific is just too fucking cold for me to give a shit about it. That's why when I leave CA I'll be heading to the Florida gulf coast. It's redneck as hell, but then I also lived in Kentucky for a decade. But the water on the gulf is amazing.
I spent 20+ years living in San Diego, CA and I would recommend it. The place we lived and enjoyed the most was San Marcos, CA it's in the northern county area of San Diego. Crime is low, weather is good. accessibility to the 15 or 5 freeway is equidistant pretty much. Just the community alone you can find whatever you need to shop for. The housing can range from $1M down to $300k or lower so you can find the area that suits you the best. Schools are not bad depending on the age of any kids you have. High school you get better choices the elementary schools aren't bad, the middle schools are a little terrible. Overall loved it.
Only moved to come over to Raleigh, NC area. We aren't directly in Raleigh, about an hour south, but the wife works there. We like this region of NC a lot so far which has only been about 6 months. Has everything we need without insane price markups like San Diego was just for being southern California. There are areas with crime for sure but I don't live or work or shop in those areas. So far pretty obvious where not to go. I am not sure about the schools, our kids start high school this fall so we will find out how good or bad they are. We get mixed reviews on the school we chose for them.
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Oh I was offered SLO over NC and chose NC because of cost of living. The other issue is from the few times I have been to SLO and heard about it the area is just a little too close to PNW weather just gloomy and cold and rainy and I am not about that. We get rain over here throughout the year and we get snow (a little) in the winter but overall I feel the weather is just pretty medium.
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I was worried about the cold/windy thing with the beaches in Northern Cal. For me, the beach is only so much fun if you can't go swimming etc. I lived in the San Diego area briefly and it was great (that's why I'm looking to potentially go back), but no one is ever swimming in any of the beach pics I've seen much north of L.A. Everyone is walking along the beach wearing a jacket.
I probably over represented my finances- with my single income, $350k is the absolute max I could do for a house (preferably $300k). That just doesn't buy much in SD.
Well Raleigh doesn't have beaches, but it's ideally situated between both the beach and the mountains for visiting either. It's a straight shot down I-40 to Wilmington that takes a little under 2 hours. A lot of folks from the Triangle come here in the summer.
Also, if I did move to Raleigh, what are my best options for location? Both inside and outside the city?
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I haven't been to Raleigh for the night life in ages and never went very often anyway so I really don't have any idea as to what it is like now.
If you can go abroad, Cape Town really is the perfect city based on the criteria listed. Weather is amazing, city is vibrant, cultural and more importantly - drop dead gorgeous. The Rand is shit atm so your dollar will stretch a ton and a $500k home puts you in the best neighborhoods (camps bay, Clifton, etc). Plus, there are tons of cool hot chicks everywhere. Honestly, it's probably the best city in the world and if it was located anywhere other than lolafrica I think it'd be the most popular city around.
Austin imho is the best place to live in the country right now, but you can't get anything affordable anymore since everyone knows about it.
I'm glad I live here, but the traffic does suck.
If you want the most bang for your buck, big house, all white neighborhood, lowest crime rate in the country, next to a metropolitan. Suburbs like League City right out of Houston are perfect for that, and you will never run out of things to do.
If you have to live inside a city tho then stick with your California plans.
I guess I'm totally out of touch. No suprise. In the job I currently have they offered 3x salary to work in the bay area and 1.5 to move to Phoenix. Both were listed in this thread. No thanks.
On the Austin deal. Money is flowing in left and right. The company put me up in an apartment for 2 months while I looked for more suitable housing. These weren't high rise apartments or whatever. They were nice but just apartments. The guy next to me drove a maserati, the guy who parked a few spots from me drove a new ferarri. All that money flowing in is not helping housing cost I would assume outside of supply.
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Problem is that it doesn't get me any closer to home (7+ hour drive) and if I'm going to be that far from home, I might as well pull the trigger on Boulder or SD.
Phuket, Thailand. Where men are men, and so are half the women.
Cousin posted a video on his faebook he took (as a passanger) behind a google self driving care in Austin yesterday. Good luck. They'll have to reprogram it since everyone knows "rules of the road" are just a suggestion in TX. I like it that way lol. Speed limit signs are really the minimum speed you need to not get run over.
About Austin -- TBH, and I'm not kidding, its all the fucking people from California moving here selling their 3 bedroom 2 bathroom 1000sq ft shack for $900k, and then moving to Austin and saying "OMG I can buy a 5 bedroom 3 bathroom 3000 sq ft house for 250k brand new!?", buying it and then having 500k+ left over to .. buy a ferrari with, of course.
Seriously, Austin is really a bad ass place, but I've lived here since 1992, and I can tell you that Austin today is no where even remotely close to how amazing it was then. In typical Cali fashion though, they have moved in in droves, bulldozed everything cool, put urban rail here, and peppered the skyline with nothing but condo towers. It's really gone downhill from what it was, but is still considered by most to be an amazing place. But know that its still no where near as great as it was. Not even close.
I live in Bee Cave, which is basically rich whiteville much nicer than Austin itself (for my style). But when people are looking for a really cool city to move to, Austin is still pretty nice overall.
Does anyone know if a place exists where winter isn't colder than 5 degrees celsius, and summer isn't hotter than 30 degrees?
and preferably summer runs from march to september.
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I've heard Asheville is amazingly temperate as well.
They really freak when upper management gets together once a month when we leve at 11 and go shoot at the gun range 4-5 miles away. I'm upper management, but I think they started it to piss off the people from CA lol.
One of them talked about how pleased he was he could rent a place for a year while he looked to buy a house for ONLY $3,000/month.
I live out in the hill country, but for a comparison close to where I work which is closer to New Braunsfel $3k a month gets you 3,000 square feet, a pool, and 5 acres. 4 car garage, and an extra shop etc...
I knew it was going to go downhill when a number of years ago I went to a christmas party at my girlfriend's sisters house. Her husband made his money early on in Dell with some legal stuff. They lived ON lake Travis.
I didn't know. I looked up how much the house 3 houses down cost. It was $12 million. Ok then.
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Summer here really sucks. It's either rainy and cold, or the temperature goes all the way through the roof so you don't want to do anything either. yesterday we had 40.3° Celsius (104 Fahrenheit)
and that barely lasts 2 months.
Bee Cave and Hill Country are very nice places. When I first moved here I was living up around 620/2222 and it was gorgeous. Area has changed a lot, but still nice (that HEB is MILF heaven). Lived off SW Parkway for a bit, that was nice too. Living SE currently and while it is close to DT I want to /wrist sometimes. There is nothing around here, and apparently it is so ghetto places will not deliver here.
Edit to add: That Cedar Fever in winter though...
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I am really sad I didn't meet more of these people in SD while I was there.
I've traveled to both Raleigh and Boulder before (cheap vacations)... Obviously I don't have the experience of living in either place, but I think both places would fit your criteria. I'd definitely choose Boulder though, for the skiing and the view. Raleigh for sure would have better winters, but still, it's not like you'll want to spend time outside when it's 40 degrees in NC or during an ice storm... In boulder you'll get freak beautiful 65 degrees and sunny days in the middle of winter where it'll be hot enough to where you don't need a jacket, but you can still go up into the mountains for 30 degree weather.
I don't know why quineloe hasn't moved here yet with all of his best friends.
Enjoy the SLO comments earlier in this thread. That's the city I hope to retire in. It's clean with a small beach town atmosphere but with activity thanks to the college and property ends up being a little more reasonable since you're inland a little bit. Still only 15 minutes or so from the ocean and there are beaches around there that aren't total tourist attractions.
Truth is I'll probably live my whole life in MN, but I would really love to settle in SLO at some point. I really love that town.
Having briefly lived in one of these climates I'll say you really can't overestimate how great it is to have this type of weather year-round. Of course it's no coincidence most of these areas are very expensive places to live. Here's a map:worldmap.jpg
Spain is not expensive though. That place is vacation heaven. I would consider expatriating there.
I'll back up some of the SLO comments as well. I have a good friend who lives in Paso Robles (about 30 miles north of SLO) and I love visiting the area. As said, the beach towns there aren't really close to anything touristy outside of Pismo Beach so they tend to be very laid back and non-busy. Definitely a slower paced life and has "less" going on than up here, but the pros are very good pros.
I'm seriously considering moving if I get well enough to feel like I may have some lifespan left to a place where it is roughly 20-30 for lows and 60's for highs year around. It needs to be coastal literally for I hate humidity even more than temperatures and away from large populations( like 50-100k max in 15 miles ).
My parents looking to finally retire are currently in Florida looking for a condo or such to retire in and told me there is places up and down the coast tourists never see lined with trailers/perm mobile homes that are cheap as hell.
I think that may be too warm for me but it shocks me you can get a place literally on the coast looking out on the ocean for $500 a month.
I've always rented decent housing and stuff but I don't think I would even care if it was a mobile/trailer home. I would be working, out on the beach or sleeping 99% of the time anyways.
Yeah according to that map Ohio is right in the middle of Medditerain climate and the summers here are like being blanketed by a sweaty scrotum and winters are so cold your nipples cut glass
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