Indeed it does.
The Last Battle approaches.
I'm on book 11. I hate every woman in these novels, double so every aes sidhe. I liked Rand chapters until like the last few books you got 1 Rand chapter for every 10 of other people. Perrin has gotten to be almost as bad a the women. Come to think on it, I only really enjoy the Mat chapters...
Perrin gets all sorts of badass when he is forging his hammer of ultimate assbeat. I am however, dreading a re-read before the final battle, however I feel it is necessary.
I hope A Memory of Light is 60 Mat chapters.
I never could get past book 7. The same goes for Sword of Truth. I always hit a wall with these series. I'm even bogging down in Malazan now and it's still really good.
Mat single handedly makes the series readable. When he started to date that bald princess chick from up north I was like NOOOOOOOOOOO! Perrin going all wolf ape shit during battles is pretty badass or when he is back in his home town running shit when he doesn't want too but ya, every woman in the series I want to backhand. Talk about night and day when it comes to women in these books and AGoT.
It's too bad that Matt is the character that Sanderson writes the most poorly. :-(
I had no idea the pussy-hound Wolfen could read, I assumed he had to dedicate himself to the search for amazing gifs 24-7. If they are actually going to write an ending I will be overjoyed. I can't recall what book I ended on but Matt married the Senchan girl for some freaky bald sex and Everyone finally noticed Rand was insane in the membrane.
I have always recommended the series despite my fear it would never be finished, now I draw parallels from the seasons getting longer and and fucking everything up because of the influence of the Dark One to the seasons getting longer and more fucked IRL because we are morons.
I would have enjoyed the few Rand chapters there were if they weren't 2/3 him whining about all the women who've been killed for him.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
It's 90% audiobooks for me these days. If I'm in the car, I'm listening to an audiobook. If the narrator is a good one, it makes it more fun that just reading it. I could never have finished all the WoT books if it wasn't for the audiobooks.
Agree would like the book to be majority Rand and Matt, with maybe some Lan mixed in. I hope they finish it up right after all the time I put into it.
I actually like one part of how Sanderson writes Mat. Every paragraph where Mat is checking out a woman (and there are a lot of those) in some way he makes sure to mention that he is married.
The thing is about Mat is that early on in Sanderson's stuff he sucked and seemed very different than the way Jordan wrote him to the point I actually was preferring the Perrin stuff. The Mat chapters got a shitload better in last book or so though. Pretty excited for this to finally end.
I just started the Path of Daggers in my re-read of the series. With luck I should have the entire series re-read before the last book comes out.
Anyone have a list of quotes from the new book?
Haven't seen this posted in the new forum yet but you'll find a pretty comprehensive summary of what is out so far in fifteen parts here:
Pretty good since I'm not in the mood to reread the entire series again. Not even sure I'd have time without foregoing social obligations, regular leisure activities, etc.
From Brandon Sanderson's Facebook.
That bastard just trolled the entire internet.
Day #18. Now that spoiler tags are functional I'll post days 4 onwards. Today's tidbit is very, very interesting. Who is the "she" that is being referenced?
bet it is the exinnkeep woman that went with matt- the former burned out aes sedai.
i cannot think of her name off hand...damn i am going to have to look it up
Im going to guess Alivia.
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all the daily sentence snips for those people that are not getting any of the tidbit sentences
This book cannot come out soon enough. I've been reading this series for such a long time...to think that it will all be over in less than a month is exciting and saddening at the same time.
p.s. These little snippets are fucking killing me. I really need to stop reading them
Booked the day off work to go get this book. Cannot fucking wait.
So Sanderson is coming to sign books the day after release. I know I should thus buy a copy from the retailer there but that would mean waiting a day to start reading. Would buying at another Barnes and Noble and bringing the receipt to the signing count?
Been stuck on The Path of Daggers for like 2 years. I devoured the first 7 books in quick succession, but for some reason I've never been able to get past this one. Really wanna know how my boy Lan is doing!
I imagine not everyone survives, but the last King of Malkier getting axed doesn't strike me as something that would happen. Robert Jordan didn't seem particularly bloodthirsty, and he also never seemed like the type who would kill off important characters just to create "emotion" or "because someone important had to die" so I don't see Sanderson suddenly doing that.
I mean, that's mostly conjecture, but he strikes me as the Aragorn of WOT; he'll need to be around to settle his people once the last battle is done. Mat or Perrin dying is far more likely; they're both married, they've found their way in life, had their revelations etc...they could go out in a blaze of glory and it would feel like a honorable death. (Granted, this does apply to Lan since it's his oath but I just don't see it.) Also, wasn't it said that rand would die to save the world?
I think Rand/Lan dying is unlikely, because one or both of them biting it spells doom for either Nynaeve or the other three girls. Unless:
Fuck this wait though! Been waiting forever.
Rand, seriously? I thought it was like a foregone conclusion. Tons of prophecy + mins visions about him dying, although that might seem a little obvious. I don't see him living happily ever after with his harem though, especially given the vision she had of his body being tended by 3 women, Arthurian style. Not to mention the whole Rand/Jesus parallel.I think Rand/Lan dying is unlikely,
I remember way back when I first read the books, back around book 4/5/6, I had a theory that Rand was going to use Callandor to summon a massive blast of balefire, channeling enough to destroy himself but blasting the Dark One out of existence so far back into the past that the events ever since the Age of Legends and War of Shadow are undone, and the entire world is altered to be like one of the alternate worlds they see through the portal stones, one where the DO was never released and the age is entirely different. He'd have died to save humanity, but then be alive again because it all never happened. Would be interesting if that did happen just to see the fan reaction, but I don't think it's a serious possibility giving all the prophecy/foreshadowing in the books since then.
Fuck, talking about this makes me wanna bunk down and read the Sanderson books in the series before AMOL comes out.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
One of the prevailing theories is that Rand will die but kick Ishmael's soul out of the Moridin body and come back with that. As far as other deaths go, we know Mat is safe because there was talk when TGS came out of a sequel series with him and Tuon sailing around the world and getting into trouble. After that, Sanderson decided to hunker down on his own series so he stated that he won't write it, and I doubt Harriet Jordan would want it made with anyone else.
I think I'd honestly prefer he die saving the world than getting off the hook with something as cheesy as that, although it makes sense with the build up to the whole 'link' between the two (only read up to 10 or 11 so not sure where that went afterwards). A Mat sequel with Tuon in it would be about as much fun as a bachelor party where everyone brings their girlfriends and wives, imo. Maybe it would make for a few good short stories? As prolific as Sanderson is, I'm sure he could squeeze it in between books.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
I also want to say there's something to Min figuring out the one prophecy surrounding Callandor, how there's like a third use for it no one is sure about, or no one has thought about. This is also entirely possible my hope that one series I'm reading ends nicely. My soul is bare after The Mistborn and Game of Thrones man. I CAN'T TAKE ALL THE UPHEAVALS.
Rand and Lan -should- both die, if we are to take what has been shown via visions. Wasn't there a vision/dream/something where Nyn is show to be grieving over a grave? This does bother me though, since we all assume that Nyn will one of the two ladies to help Rand use Callandor, yet I cannot see her sticking around with Rand while Lan is dying.
Also, about Tuon's new advisor, it cannot be Avila, since she can channel, and I highly doubt someone who can channel would ever be in that type of position.
Rand did learn through the door way that in order to live he had to die. Points towards a soul transfer I suppose. I finished Path of Daggers and I'm about 150 pages into Winter's Heart. Amazing how much I've forgotten. Up until Crown of Swords, I used to re-reread the series after a new book came out. So these last books I've only read once.
More than likely he won't be sticking around - there was a phrase that was used at RJ's funeral prayer card that RJ himself wrote to describe Rand:Rand, seriously? I thought it was like a foregone conclusion. Tons of prophecy + mins visions about him dying, although that might seem a little obvious. I don't see him living happily ever after with his harem though, especially given the vision she had of his body being tended by 3 women, Arthurian style. Not to mention the whole Rand/Jesus parallel.
"He came like the wind, like the wind touched everything, and like the wind, was gone."
Aside from LoTr, Redwall and Shannara, WoT was the first major fantasy series that I got into. It changed the whole fantasy landscape for me. But that was back when it was only 10 books. I look at a reread in preparation for the final book coming out as a very daunting task, and I am wondering if I should just do one of those abbreviated summary sites... but that would make me feel like a sell out bitch. Anyone else do this?
also, braid tugging and Perrin slowly degrading into a sappy wet blanket doesn't sound too good to relive again, is it better or worse than I remember?
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Towers of Midnight really turned it around for Perrin. He's a BAMF now. Being able to take the focus off Rand for a while to develop him alone helped immensely. The scene in Tel'aran'rhiod where he runs into Egwene and pats her on the head and tell her to be careful because it's dangerous was very much in the spirit of the early books.
It gets way better when more action/more movement starts happening, so even without Sanderson Jordan was still on his way to making the characters readable. However, when Sanderson took over, a lot of the things that he had a hand in was really developing the characters from farm boys/girls into leaders or quasi leaders of the known world. They're all leading their own fucking armies now and all are immensely capable in their own right, even without their extra abilities.
I've been doing both as far as rereading. I started reading some of the more, uh...turn pointing books recently, but have been reading the summary that someone linked on the last page. I don't know if I'd call it a bitch move to read summaries; that one has a lot of back story insofar as the First Age and the Age of Legends are concerned, information that they either don't explain very well, at all or touch and go. They tend to show you connections that you either don't see till later or maybe only assume, but once the author of the summaries shows you, it's like man, really? I've been enjoying the summary rereads especially without all of the qq and female infighting that were prevalent in the earlier books back when the girls get sent to Tear.
I did a reread earlier in the year but stopped once I reached Sanderson's books, not for any particular reason but because I'd been reading torrented versions on my tablet (lost most of my physical copies, or they fell apart, years ago) and the copy of TGS I had didn't work. I meant to pick it up physically but I was busy with study and never got around to it.
Kind of torn on whether I should plow through the Sanderson books before AMOL, but since this series has been such a huge thing for me over my life I figure it's worth the time.
If you do do a re-read, keep the wiki open on a nearby screen. I found it essential to keeping track of the dozens of characters with similar names later in the book. Trying to figure out which Aes Sedai is which is a nightmare.
Aes Sedai are super hard to keep track of; I also found the Forsaken rough to keep up with - once they start dying and being resurrected etc it gets choppy. Each of them has like 3 different names - their Forsaken name, then whoever they are posing as, then sometimes another name that other people know them as.
I agree with the wiki idea; there are a couple of other people that during the rereads I'll hear them mentioned earlier on but not make the connection for awhile. Reading the wiki at the same time makes the connections a bit faster. I read through the series twice I think before I truly understood when Isam first showed up who he was. (And subsequently, who he ALSO was.)
Edit: Also want to say that as interesting as so much of the series is, what I really want to see is what is going on in The Black Tower. So much about that situation is vague and mysterious - like, who is Taim really? Why are all the asha'man and aes sedai who meet with him suddenly changed, in such a way as to indicate they are not truly alive? What's the agenda, and does it have anything to do with The Dark One, or just Taim's own selfishness?
Those are the most burning questions I have, honestly.
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iirc there's a ceremony which uses 13 channelers working through 13 myrdraal which can turn anyone to the control of the shadow, I always figured thats why people were turning weird.Edit: Also want to say that as interesting as so much of the series is, what I really want to see is what is going on in The Black Tower. So much about that situation is vague and mysterious - like, who is Taim really? Why are all the asha'man and aes sedai who meet with him suddenly changed, in such a way as to indicate they are not truly alive? What's the agenda, and does it have anything to do with The Dark One, or just Taim's own selfishness?
As for Taim, I don't think there are any solid theories. At first it seemed almost certain that he was one of the Forsaken, basically everything pointed to it, but a few books later evidence came out which made that impossible. IMO Jordan originally intended him to be one of the Forsaken (can't remember which), but for some reason or another, changed his mind later on before the reveal. So wtf Taim is actually up to, what his deal is, and watching Rand kick his ass in an epic fashion, is one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to in AMOL.
Ohh, totally forgot about the 13 number thing. I wouldn't ignore the Forsaken idea though; I sort of thought for awhile that he was a Forsaken. Not one we know, but perhaps a new one that swore fealty to the dark side in exchange for power. Before weird shit starts happening with Taim, you can tell he has a chip on his shoulder; he's not happy being Rand's second in command, he hates that he is weaker in the power than the Dragon Reborn etc. These are almost spot on attributes given to the original Forsaken. With so many of the Chosen dead (and most by balefire, so that they cannot be resurrected) it might be possible that he is a new guy in the mix.
And part of that kind of sucks, because when Taim first appeared on the scene to help Rand, I liked him, because he was kind of darkly charismatic. Now who knows!
Well there's always Logain, I liked him more anyway.
I think Logain is going to end up kicking Taim's ass up and down the Black Tower with this bonded Aes Sedai. Elaida did have the foretelling that the Black Tower would be broken in fire and blood and the Aes Sedai would walk its halls. There does seem to be two factions at least, Logain's and Taim's. That should be epic battle.
I started reading WoT in 98 or 99 and have been hooked ever since. Can't wait for 1/8/13.
Moiraine and Lan have always been my favorites but I think Egwene has really come into her own in the last couple of books.
Yeah Egwene is actually kinda tolerable later on, unlike most of his female chars. Moiraine and Lan were both always badass, even if Moiraine suffered because of the power inflation that went on. She kicked a whole lot of ass in the first few books.
I started back in uh, 2000 I think? Was on a family holiday with cousins at this little place on the coast and one of my older cousins couldn't come, but she knew I was really into reading, and particularly fantasy, so she sent a huge stack of her old books, including EoTW, TGH and The World of The Wheel of Time. I got almost no sleep for the entire week because I was reading all night after doing holiday shit all day, spent the entire massive drive home with my head in one of the books, then reserved 3 & 4 at the local library (remember those?) as soon as I got home. Still got those old copies, although half the pages in EOTW are falling out.
Did anyone play that old FPS they made based on the series ages back? Was actually a pretty nifty game for it's time, had a cool single player campaign and nailed the whole atmosphere of the WOT universe, apparently the multiplayer rocked too, but I never had a chance to try it.
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I picked up the FPS WoT game in like 2002 for 5 bucks. I finished out the single player campaign but didn't do much beyond that since FPS types weren't really my cup of tea. Would love to see some type of RPG for the PC personally.
Yeah same. a Bioware style RPG set in the WOT universe could be all kinds of amazing if handled correctly.
I started WOT in middle school I think - I was a huge fan of LOTR, and at the time was going through the Dragonriders of Pern series. Someone had told me about WOT, and I checked it out at the book store. Originally when I read about it it didn't seem appealing, I can't quite remember why. Also, I think when I was in middle school there were already a bunch of them out, and that felt a bit daunting.
However, after Dragonriders I read a few more books that started to whet my appetite for fantasy a bit more and I dove in. Never regretted it since.
Not on topic at all, but thinking about books back then reminded me of what I cannot remember the name of; hoping maybe someone here can.
All I really remember is that the main character is a chick of some warrior society, though all the women are conjurers. She has tits and long hair, where all the others tend to cut their hair short and have small bosoms. When she comes of age, she must enter an arena, naked, and win the battle using only her conjuring abilities. She wins the battle, the man she defeats must become like a slave to her (although they end up as best friends) and she ends up running away from her home because the Empress or Queen or whatever, hated her mother and now wants to kill her talented daughter.
She ends up encountering a bunch of weird stuff; things I remember happening are she gets a tribe of warriors drunk on conjured wine that they love, and the bonus is she can desummon it, leaving them without headaches, and also quickly diffusing violence and bad situations that should arise. She falls in love with some guy, who changes into a woman whenever they make love, and as a woman she has a male lover.
The entire time she's traveling she gets better at conjuring, until the inevitable happens and she has to challenge the Queen. Months spent honing her skill allow her to summon 3x more than the Queen and kill her.
I have a feeling that the book is possibly something completely obvious, but the answer has been evading me. Hell, I can't even remember if it was good or not, but it's bugging me that I can't remember.
Edit: Shit, be careful with the wiki and some of the summaries. Ran into a spoiler from 14 that was not specifically major but sucked nonetheless. Had no warning, and had no idea what I was reading until they mentioned a name and I got really confused on the timeline.
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As others mentioned Perrin becomes quite a wuss (at least for a while? haven't read that far into book13 yet) and I dont like him now far less than at the beginning of the series.
Perrin definitely turns it around in the Sanderson books. Unfortunately the Mat stuff in the early parts of the Sanderson stuff was pretty awful, but that too gets better later on. Really looking forward to wrapping this thing up.
Certainly sounds like Rand. I'm half way though Winter's Heart. I can remember why I stopped re-reading the series.
Can Wolfen or anyone else recommend this series on Audible? The narrator doesn't sound that great, but I could say the same of other narrators that I've come to like the more I listen to them.
The male narrator is great, one of my favorites actually (same guy who reads Mistborn series and Way of Kings). The female narrator is ok.
Do they use the matching gender narrator for different dialogue? Always wondered that about audio books.
Well, the apocalypse has been avoided in new Zealand so far, which was my biggest worry for interfering with reading A Memory of Light.
Thanks for the response guys. I'll put this in the queue.
I have jury duty the day before this comes out...this could turn out horribly...
My favourite parts so far:
Towers of Midnight - Perrin unravelling Egween's spells in Tel'aran'rhiod and then blocking balefire and brushing her comment aside as if every child knows that. Epic. Just epic. A mere blacksmith with yellow eyes, hands down making The Amirlyn Seat look like a schoolgirl :P
Dragon Reborn - Mat, half sick beating the shit out of Galad and Gawyn.
And yes, for me, Mat is also like the best chapter guy ever Ever since he went through that 2nd gateway and came back hanging from a tree, filled holes and all... killing Couladin and some other wonderful stuff. Band of Red Hand, marrying Daugther of the Nine Moons.. epic.
Can't wait for A memory of Light.
Perrin was my favorite when I first started reading the series. The premise behind his abilities were really cool when I was a kid, but then he started getting pussified thanks to Faile. But Matt carried me through those books, until the Towers of Midnight and Perrin had finally redeemed himself in my eyes. I just related to Perrin more in the beginning, so he was my favorite for a long while. Matt for the longest time after his fight in the Tower was the funnest of the three guys to read.
So glad that we get to finally see this series end, after the last sixteen years of reading the books. Now I just wish for an animated, high quality, series based on it. As well as an RPG in the vein of KotOR.
Also, wasn't there rumors a year or so ago that a t.v. studio or something was interested in making this into a series?
Just started reading Eye of the World for my final re-read through the whole thing. It will probably be a year before I get to MoL, but fuck it, it's my final salute to Jordan. The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.
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Day #30....guess it answers a long standing question....
This website is really awesome. http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/ Especially if you are going through it a second time to get caught back up. They have summaries of every chapter and point out all the stuff you may have missed. Kinda like in Lost how there is always little things in the background you might not have noticed. Like it will say this guy is actually the guy from chapter 2 etc.
Book's not even out and she's already whining.
Haha, that last one sounds like a quote taken from a terrible romance novel.
Faile is annoying, but in a peripheral kind of way. She's nowhere near as major a character and has less POV chapters by a wide margin, and her shittiness is mainly limited to her marriage with Perrin, outside of that she isn't too bad. But Elayne fucks up everything she touches and acts like a total bitch about it to everyone around her, despite the fact that Birgitte, Rand, Mat etc are the only reason she's alive and ruling instead of having been torn to pieces half a dozen times over. The defining moment, imo, was when she found out that her mum died and the kingdom was thrown into chaos while at Salidar, and instead of going home to claim the throne and restore order, she traipses off to find the bowl of winds with nynaeve etc. in Ebou Dar for a few months, leaving Rand, who's already kind of preoccupied trying to save the world, to try and maintain Andor for her. Then when she gets bored fighting evil aes sedai and decides to go home, Rand quite politely says he'll step down as ruler and offer her the throne and she loses her shit, saying it was her throne and her country and she'd earn it herself blah blah blah, despite the fact that she abandoned it for months and it would have gone to shit and passed to another ruler if it wasn't for Rand. Wanted to reach into the pages and slap her, seriously.
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It looks legit. One of the phrases I saw in that sample chapter was one of the memories of light from a few weeks back.
I'm going to start reading this series tonight. The final book should be released as soon as I'm caught up.
Going in with low expectations. I hope it's better than Sword of Truth. Couldn't finish that piece of shit.
It's a lot better than Sword of Truth. The middle books are kind of slow, but if you're reading them all at once it won't be so bad.
Yeah trying to read the entire series from now until the 8th is gonna be some many late, late nights.
Yeah, way way better than SOT, although there are a lot of similarities since Goodkind ripped off WOT in a big way, from what I remember.
Keep that bookmarked at all times, it's almost impossible to keep track of all the subplots and side characters by yourself during the mid-series slump.
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