Hmm... Spoilers? I mean they showed a decaying boat and skyscrapers. Shannara was one of the earliest series I remember reading, after Hobbit and Narnia. Will probably watch for sentiment.
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shown at comic con, be on MTV (yes you read that right) January 2016. MTV chasing that tween game of thrones money
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Hmm... Spoilers? I mean they showed a decaying boat and skyscrapers. Shannara was one of the earliest series I remember reading, after Hobbit and Narnia. Will probably watch for sentiment.
Shannara wasn't my favorite series, and I don't even think it's Brooks' best work, but I think Allanon is a really good and memorable character. The hints of a post-apocalyptic, fallen tech earth were neat, too. There's even some feminism in Shannara, for those who need it.
I wasn't expecting much from this, but I must say that look pretty good...I mean the quality of the set, costume, effects, etc...
No idea if it will be good, but production value seems pretty high.
The Shannara stories are some of my favorites to pickup and read, as I love the post apocalyptic / rediscovered magic & stories set in the same realm but generations apart idea.
I think towards the end of that clip you see the reaper which looks awesome, as it was a walking death incarnate in the book so this sounds like they are basing the story around the failing Elf tree (and leaves falling/turning to ash).
Kind of surprised why they didn't start with the earliest story arc and move forward if it's a hit, as they'd now have to do a prequel if they wanted to cover the finding of the elves / recovery of the druids keep etc?
This is going to be garbage
Yeah I think the Jerle series was where I stopped. About three years ago I got nostalgic and ordered a ton of the books off Amazon used for like $0.80 a piece.
Looks better than I thought it would. I'm trying to remember Elfstones though, I thought it was just Amberle and Wil. Who would the third "teen" be?
A few years ago I read all the prequel books starting with Running with the Demon. The progression from those to SoS was pretty good. SoS sucked after reading those. I never read anything after the Heritage of Shannara books.
Really wish they would have done Wishsong instead, because Garet Jax is a badass. Oh well, the footage looked pretty interesting.
edit: What Gavinmad said. That's what I get for having the browser open on this page forever =\
i remember reading the first series as a kid and generally liking it, although I'm sure I doubt it would re-read very well. in the original series, there isn't really any indication this stuff takes place in a post-apoc world, right? No big deal imo since it doesn't really change anything at all, but interesting they aren't trying to save that as a big reveal for a season finale or something
Nah, there's some descriptions in a few of the books about it being post apocalyptic. In SoS, Shea gets poisoned by something that is described as roughly a cyborg monster, in the ruins of a modern city in the mountains. I don't remember it being a thing in Elfstones or Wishsong so much though, as they were way heavier on the fantasy side of things with demons and shit. Towards the end of the Scions books, it starts hinting that the world is is directly connected with the "Word"(modern day stuff with the Word and the Void) novels, and I think Heritage and all the other couplings (I haven't read anything after the Scions books and the First King novel) take it a step further and confirm it.
It's post apocalyptic, it's just so far post apocalyptic that it's a fairly normal fantasy world in most respects. You see the ancient technology shit more overtly starting with the Voyage trilogy, but it's there in the originals.
Cogline uses ancient knowledge of science that's so powerful it's a match for the magic of the mord wraiths and later the shadowen. His explosive powder was strong enough to shatter the scythe of Death, who was immensely powerful even if he wasn't truly one of the four horsemen.
Bremen uses that same ancient knowledge of science, combined with his magic, to create the Sword of Shannara. The sword is not just a magical hunk of steel, it's an absolute masterpiece of blacksmithing with no equal.
The creepers from Heritage of Shannara are a twisted mix of ancient technology and shadowen magic. The technology of the creepers is explored further in The Elves of Cintra, which is part of a trilogy that bridges some of the gap between The Word and the Void and The beginning of Shannara.
And as Rezz mentioned, when traveling through the Wolfsktaag mountains, both Flick and Shea were fatally poisoned by some strange creature when they took a wrong turn and got too close to the ruins of one of the pre-apocalypse cities, although they were saved by the Storlocks.
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Yeah read it in high school, read it in my mid 20's and it was terrible. I don't reread some of those older series any more.
This seems over the top and won't make it to S2 but I will watch S1 anyways.
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See, I don't mind it being sorta light reading, don't need everything I read being super grimdark. Near the end of the Voyage trilogy, he has one of the supporting characters get raped to death by Mwellrets, which was just so profoundly out of character for his writing that it poisoned the whole trilogy for me and I've never read anything else of his because of that.
Yeah, I am going in with super low expectations with this one, but it would be a fun series if they do it well. Shannara was my introduction to fantasy literature when I picked up SoS in 3rd grade. I grew out of it when I hit books like Game of Thrones, but I have a definite nostalgic love for it (as my EQ name and forum name show; some bastard on Ec'i beat me to the original so I had to change some vowels around). As others have mentioned, the earlier books kinda don't stand up with re-reads, but I still think Running With The Demon was pretty solid, for the most part. I do look forward to Walker Bo if they bring his character in and do him well. The Dark Uncle was always cool.
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Sword of Shannara was one of the earlier fantasy series I got into. I liked his Magic Kingdom For Sale stuff better, though.
Elfstones and onward seem to be completely original creations though. Shannara really is one of the most engaging fantasy worlds out there considering you don't really see a setting where someone explores before the apocalypse, during the apocalypse, and so far after the apocalypse that it's practically a new world. It's a shame that he put me off so hard when he decided to have someone raped to death by Mwellrets, because I haven't touched one of his books since I finished Morgawr.
Also I just remembered the other reason I hated the Voyage trilogy. Walker dies destroying Antrax. Becomes the first new druid since Bremen taught Allanon back in First King, Brooks kills him off 2 books later. I mean granted, those two books were 8 years apart because he wrote Word & Void and a few Landover books in between, but seriously, couldn't he at least have made it to the end of the next trilogy?
I haven't read these is 20 years, shit. I remember the elf stones being terrible.
Elf stones was actually the best, if you go back and re-read them. I agree though that as a kid Elf Stones was the worst.
Sword was an almost direct rip of Tolkien and Wish Song was a maudlin journey of emo tweens. So both of those are going to appeal to the age group. Elf Stones was where he actually tried.
The Scions of Shannarra... I liked Walker Boh but that was about it. You can REALLY tell that he had no idea about any of it though. Like scale or just trivial shit. He'd put no thought into it whatsoever. It really was a tabletop game he was DMing / running with friends.
Edit: The setting of Shannara is neat, and the structure of his writing is almost perfect for that 12-15 age group. And he keeps it sanitized as well for that age group. And he does manage to write a good chapter here and there. It's not like he's a hack. It's just that, overall, not really that great. Ya know? Feist is better for most of what Shanarra does, but he does manage to set an ambiance with Shanarra that is rare to find.
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I think I read Scions first for whatever reason as a 15 year old and then up through book 7? Then read Sword/Wish/Elfstones. I never read any of the other books.
If you have the bound trilogy of the first three books, there are intros by Brooks before each book. The for intro before Elfstones he says how he had to rewrite almost the whole book. Elfstones then became the foundation for the entire series. As I said earlier the prequel books are quite good and link our world to the four lands. I will have to read the voyage books someday.
So how would you read the series now from scratch? Where do you start? (do you even bother starting?)
They work just fine if you read them in the order he wrote them. If you want to read them in chronological order it would be
Word & Void trilogy
Genesis of Shannara trilogy
Legends of Shannara (2 books)
First King of Shannara
Original Shannara trilogy
Heritage of Shannara (4 books)
Voyage of the Jerle Shannara trilogy
High Druid of Shannara trilogy
Dark Legacy of Shannara trilogy
I'm actually surprised at how few of the books I've read. Maybe I'll give them another go in chrono order.
I searched for that too after reading the thread and found this link. I'll probably go with the New Reader suggestion since it was over 20 years ago when I did the first go through.
Reading Orders | Terry Brooks | Website of author Terry Brooks
Amazon recommended this for me I guess it releases soon. Edit: I forget why embed won't work
The Shannara Chronicles | SDCC Official First Look | MTV - YouTube
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After thinking about the Shannara series and other fantasy settings I've read, it's actually fairly grimdark at times. It lacks constant murder/swearing/sex like Game of Thrones, but some of the novels are just straight up dark/depressing shit with death happening all the time. The Elf Queen of Shannara, for example, is one of the most over the top when it comes to just having a dark, evil ass setting. Island that the elves move to that they start using ancient magic to alter the local wildlife, turns sour and demons and shit start coming out of the woodwork, and their modified creations become constant threats to them. They sit behind their walls and just wait while time runs out. Not to mention that there's a couple of big reveals about the origin of the Shadowen, and many of the main/supporting characters die in pretty grisly fashion. Like, it doesn't even end on a good note, it's just one long downer for Wren hah.
That was, on further rememberance, a pretty rough book for an 11 year old.
edit: HAH, haven't read the book in over 20 years, just remembered that the island was called Morrowindl and has a giant volcano at the center of the island. Good work, Bethesda!
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Yeah some of the characters repeatedly get fucked in the ass in the serie.
Won't even talk about Ryer Ord Star.
Damn. Yeah, looking back I always remember his books having their share of dark parts, but I must have forgotten the death rape.
Haven't read Voyage! So probably gets worse. I need to set some time aside and just plow through the rest of his work, as I've read through Heritage/First King of Shannara, and the entire Landover series. Also the entire Word and the Void series, but until I read the connecting novels they are just sort of tangents at the moment. Just really sat down and thought about the series for a bit and went "goddamn" regarding the amount of just purely downer/dark storylines that are pretty prevalent in the various stories. Landover is immune, but Heritage (and Wishsong) are just... the 90s Nine Inch Nails version of Lord of the Rings. Even when they win, they lose to a degree. Every victory is Pyrrhic.
Landover had Willow. Everyone wants to get up in her bushes. Wokka wokka wokka.
Reminder that this starts tonight. Let's hope it doesn't totally suck.
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so 2 min in sorry it totally sucks lol.
TV channel supposed to be about music television spends tons of money making content to appeal to SJWs and calling all white people racist trash. Makes series made by all white people staring all white people.
Watched first episode. Wasn't terrible. My biggest problem is Wil. He seems useless at this point. In the book he was already a healer so he had some skill at least. Alanon just isn't how I always pictured him, but I do kind of like him. I don't like how they shove the, this is earth down your throat. I remember reading Sword while they are in the mountains with the twisted old building and the mecha-spider and how it was a nice 'oh shit!' moment. They empowered Amberle too much at the start, so when they make he need help it seems forced.
But overall I kind of like it. Going to watch episode 2 and 3 online and decide of its worth putting up with MTV and their obnoxious commercials.
I'm gonna need to re-read the books now to get this travesty out of my brain.
Been a long time since I've read the books so don't remember very much, but I enjoyed the first episodes. I'm sure if I recently read the books whatever changes they made would bother me, like it did for legend of the seeker(sword of truth). They did change up Will's background, his parents were suppose to die earlier, and he was suppose to be trained in healing before meeting up with Allanon. I guess they felt the need to compact his backstory, as with any transition from book to show things will get cut and moved around, even game of thrones has also done it although they try to keep it to a minimum.
Production value looks high for a fantasy tv show, closer to game of thrones than compared to other recent fantasy stuff like legend of the seeker, merlin, and atlantis. Hopefully they didn't blow their load on cgi for the opening episodes. Still a good start to me, and something to fill in until game of thrones is back.
I didn't hate it at least. It wasn't great, but Manu as Allanon is awesome, and Amberle is really fucking hot. I'm not a fan of Wil's actor but I guess he's all right for what they seem to be doing with his character. And yeah, I was impressed with the production value, most of it was pretty high considering what I was expecting. Fortunately it has been forever since I read any of the books, and I only read the first 5'ish, so I don't remember a goddamn thing.
30mins in and i can already tell im going to hate the female.
Eh, shows with teens on mtv always urk me, much like teen wolf. The lore/story seem interesting i just always hate shows revolving around kids/teens -
If this is the one with Amberle and Will, I can't wait for them to introduce the Reaper.
By the way episodes 1-4 are out for download not just the two part first night.
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ok the start with elvs in tight jeans sucked and none of em looks anything like elvs and trolls with gas masks
20 mins or so in it gets better though and gets interesting , it aint great but its ok so far
Quickly changing my mind. I had some nitpicks early on, but I'm digging this now. Episodes 3 and 4 snap back into book mode. Except...
Really enjoying this show, great casting other than the rover chick. Were they trying to make her not seem like such a midget?
Oh and lol elves everywhere with beards!!
"It's better to look ugly and win, than pretty and lose."
I'd completely forgotten about these books. Not really my favorite books but they were some of the first I read when getting into fantasy, about the time EQ came out, and seeing the names of characters really brought on some good memories/feels. My main for years was named Balinorr.
A lot of the show was dumb, but I'll definitely watch it. Crixus as allanon was distracting at first, but I agree he's pretty awesome. Enjoyed the depiction of the Druid sleep, Shannara Druids controlled my opinion of Druids through all of EQ
The quick pacing is a good idea for dense material that requires suspension of disbelief. I hope they keep it up.
I like Eretria. She's already better than any of the casted Sand Snakes of Dorne. Maru Bennett is an awesome choice for Allanon (I think he should be a little bit more worn and a little less kind, though).
All in all, a good start to an MTV TV14 show based on fantasy.
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Dang one of the characters I thought was going to be in the series is actually from Wishsong so its up. Geret Jax.
Annnd a friend just messaged me that he hated it and compared it to Smallvile. I liked Smallville so I imagine i'll be OK with the show.
I enjoyed the premiere, will have to maybe get the energy to go find the other episodes... or just wait for the DVR..
My wife loved these books growing up, and seems to be OK with it, although she was pissed they didn't hold off more on the reveal that this was a future Earth. I'm sure she'll still rage more at some point, which will be half the entertainment value in this for me.
How much do we know about this show as a continuing series? My guess is that it will take two season to tell Elfstones. Do they then move on to Wishsong? It's been a long time since I read book 3 and Heritage right after, but I remember some good characters like the Elf girl and Walker Boh.
Couple years back I read all the prequels starting with Running with the Demon. It's a cool connection from today to the future. Never read anything after Heritage.
The show is not perfect, some of the casting and dialogue bother me a bit...but overall I enjoyed it and was entertained...which for me is all that matters.
Definitely going to continue watching it.
I don't know I feel about Crixxus as a Druid just yet.
This is fucking terrible. I mean seriously guys. Brooks isn't deserving of a lot, but Manu? No one deserves that for their star. And I can't get past Shannara himself...those reaction shots...
Since a lot of you are enjoying this, I'm not going to be a douche and continue posting. At least people are producing Fantasy series, and I really love some of the novels though I think Eddings would make for much better TV if you're going to use really... REALLY shitty actors.
edit: Great CGI. And Rhys Davies is the man.
Enjoying it. From the original commercial it looked terrible, but it actually has a pretty high production value for a TV series.
Wish it was a little more questy since it is a pretty generic story. Would like to see this group tackle a dungeon first before diving into this over arching Villain destroying the world scenario.
I can see what you're noticing, but just don't take it so seriously and accept that it's Shannara reinvented for whatever MTV's audience is.Originally Posted by Jait
I'd be glad to see the Belgariad in serial form. There are stronger albeit cliche characters and interactions in that story. Who wouldn't want to see a live action Mandorallen or Silk?
Eretria is the girl from Pan's Labyrinth and damn that girl got a booty.
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(There are a few less retcons in the Elenium and Tamuli, too, but I digress.)
A big NO to the Dreamers, though. Probably a pass on The Redemption of Althalus, too, but I'm 50/50 there.
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The Sparhawk books are G-rated RR Martin. Basically all pulled from similar English source materials, but very different in presentation and design. I think they'd be perfect for TV, except for one tinsy problem.
Styrics. They're Jews. And they come with all the same stereotypes in the 2nd series :/ For whatever reason Charlie Sheen proved it best. You can fuck 10k hookers and give them HIV, you can snort more coke than a South American brothel, etc..etc.. but don't use Jewish stereotypes or your career in TV is over.
Very true on the jew angle, and one I didn't really put together when I was 13 hah. It's not nearly so obvious in the first series, but yeah, Zalasta and the rich priests are pretty stereotypical. Maybe the multi-deity nature would throw people off the scent, but yeah, they're jew wizards. =|
Just watched the first 2-parter and was pleasantly surprised. It looks really good and the acting wasn't any worse then most shows set for the demographic. My only gripe from reading the books was instnatly giving away that it is the future of our world. That was a cool reveal what half way through the books. You are like humans, elves, trolls, gnomes. Yep typical fantasy then bam! No it isnt!
Finally decided to try this and binged all 4 episodes. Much better than I expected. Yep, the girls are hot, but the princess can't keep the upper hand during a physical confrontation at all. It was kinda funny when they had Crixxus do the slow motion sword action, just like in Spartacus. The show has hooked me. I will continue to watch.
Started watching this tonight.
Damn, Eretria is hot.
Not sure if I'm a fan of some changes they did to the book, but maybe it's because I read it a few months ago so it's still fresh in my mind.
I'm three in and pretty torn at this point, always was a fan of Brooks and the Shannara series.
It's basically a MTV version so I'll just have to live with it but I'm having a hard time with Manu as Allanon, loved him in Spartacus and Arrow but he's just not doing it for me as the Druid and it's been a few since I've read the early stuff but I don't remember a fancy collapsing sword just staff, sword and the occasional Druid fire.
Really like the world building with the ancient ruins of Seattle, always wondered in the early books if it was our world thousands of years later and with Brooks tying it together it makes me smile.
I'll take Amberle over Ercetria though!
This would be amazing if it was not on mtv. Crixus and the plot are good, but Fuck mtv.
It's like sparkle vampires raped game of throne s.
How is this show? Have first 4 episodes dloaded but wont bother if it is legends of the seeker bad.
It's better than Legend of the Seeker. Shannara actually, so far, mostly, follows the book. Kind of...
Seeker wasn't terrible if you were looking for Hurcules/Xena type show with a couple hot women. But if you were looking for a Sword of Truth adaptation, then yeah... bad.
At least give Shannara a shot if you liked Elfstones. I didn't like it at first but I've changed my mind starting with episode 3.
As a comparison this is a step up from the series the originals, of which I could only take about 10 episodes. If you watched that. But at the same time it is a big step down from Game Of Thrones.
For me, this has a lot of red flags up already (after 3 episodes and a half).
Love triangle, clumsy/forced emotional scenes. The acting is borderline. This is also fairly heavy on the teen romance as well.
I don't remember much about the books at all, but this kind of reminds me of taking a great tale then imprinting your own designs on it, like the hobbit movies. And not for the better.
The problem I also have is a distinct lack of quality fantasy on T.V. So I am holding out on this for another episode or 3...
Well, not like the love triangle was not there in the book. And the protagonists in all of the Shannara books all had their stupid emotional/rebel teenagers moments.
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