That's the before picture.
This is after.
I shit up the Mad Max thread with some pics of my home theater. They don't really fit into the Home Theater in a box thread that exists now so I'm starting a new one. Post some pics of your systems.
Old pic of speakers behind the screen:
Currently working on building some new speakers, they should be a big upgrade.
Are all of those speakers going in the same room?
Just like normal theaters, his speaker setup is meant to shatter your eardrum during the THX logo so that you can't hear dialogue and think the movie is better than it really is.
Attog, those look strikingly similar to the Elusive 1099 kit from DIYsoundgroup. I bought a bunch of mfw-15 woofers from Erich a few years ago, was a stand up guy to deal with. Have you ever heard waveguide speakers before? If not your in for a real treat. The FR seems to break up a bit at 16k, do you intend to use any DSP or room correction to shift the upper end down a few dB?
Those are 1099's, 3 are for me for Left, Right Center and the other 3 are going into my buddies theater room. I'll use Audyssey for major room correction and then I have a Behrenger DSP to crossover the subs. I'll attach a photo of the equipment rack below, it is an old picture and some of the stuff has changed since.
We are building them together to increase some efficiencies on the duratex paint, insulation for the inside, etc.
We painted the Duratex on this weekend. It was my first time using that product and I was impressed. The stuff is used for coating commercial speakers, road boxes, etc. Kind of similar to pickup truck bedliner.
Such a nice HT room, why not get some quality speakers instead of a DIY mishmash?
My HT setup:
TV = Samsung 9000 Series Smart TV
AV Receiver = 9.2 A/V Receiver, Surround Sound | AVR-4311CI | Denon
Fronts = Paradigm | Signature S8 | Overview
Center = Paradigm | Signature C5 | Overview
Surrounds = Paradigm | Signature ADP3 | Overview
Sub = http://www.hometheatersound.com/equi...igm_sub_25.htm
In the market for a dedicated amp setup. Emotiva looks like a bargain compared to offerings by Classe or McIntosh, etc.
Nice stuff Jysin. To answer your question why, the answer can be found on your sub link: Price: $4000 USD
To quote myself from the other thread, I don't have that kind of cash. I built everything myself to save money, it was the only way I could do it. The money you have in your speakers alone is way more than I spent on everything.
Many of the DIY kits are better than multi thousand dollar setups. Most highend speakers are catered to the look good, exotic (untested and crappy) parts, and the, "its more expensive so it has to be better" crowd. They are often times designed by knowledgeable people who trust their ears and not engineers who test and measure appropriately. Many of the DIYSoungroup speakers with their SEOS waveguide have engineers who are also enthusiasts design and test each speaker design and produce real data plots such as phase, FR, impedance, and the very rare directivity patterns.
For example you're Paradigm S8 were measure by sound and vision ( not located anywhere on Paradigm's website) and appeared to do well. Here is a link to the measurements, Paradigm Reference Signature Speaker System Measurements | Sound Vision
A few gentle waves but the overall FR is mostly linear and straight, but at 10khz you can really tell that the tweeter isn't meshing well with the midrange and looses coherency. This very obvious when you stand anywhere but direct center of the speaker.
Compared to most Brick and Mortar stores they do well. But if we compare those measurements done by DIYsoundgroup for attog's speakers
Elusive 1099 Official Info Thread
We have a liquid smooth FR until 16khz and a bit of a drop off, this is probably due to the spacing of the waveguide and the 2 mid range transducers.
Now if we look at another speaker from DIYsoundgroup the Alpha minion we have an even better Frequency Plot than the 1099.
This is due to being a simplier 2-way design where the woofer and compression driver (tweeter) are more coherent across the spectral band. The downside is that is is much less dynamic than the 1099, meaning it wont get as loud or immersive. Building speakers is all about trade offs, there is no perfect design.
Nice Rack attog!
The room looks awesome, I am very impressed! Those 1099's will light the place up for sure. What are you going to use for surrounds? Their Volt Coaxial options seem like a great idea for Dolby Atmos surround modules, but I think they sell out of parts for that quite frequently. For DSP have you look into any of the minidsp options? I've been reading great things on their 88A 8-channel DIRAC room correction box. It seems to do everything that the $20,000 audio processors are doing for $1,000.
Duratex is very nice, I coated my old kit subs with it and would use it again if I were to go the diy route.
As for myself my wife has downgraded my system until we build our house so I am living vicariously through others at the moment. My old Danley Sound Labs system was an absolute beastly setup but had to be parted out when we moved ( didn't want to risk putting it into storage). As for now I am using a stereo pair of JBL LSR308 waveguides and a Seaton Submersive. By all accounts its sublime and everyone but me loves it...... but it just doesn't have that dynamic realism that the Danley's had.
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I can see where my comment might of come off a bit harsh, which I didn't intend it to. I have listened to a few iterations of B&W 802 and have left wanting every time, considering their price. I heard them in a few high end stores, and twice in a Keith Yates spare no expense reference room ( he designs acoustic spaces for the richest of the rich). I will say both rooms sounded fantastic but I felt the B&W 800's they were using just couldn't keep up with the dynamics and sounded quite harsh when pushed to reference in action scenes.
I have heard a few hundred speakers but have not yet heard the Paradigm's yet, so I'd like to listen to them at least once. In regards to the version i think the chart I linked them from was from V2. I did intend to ask what version you had but forgot to when I was typing my post. I'll have to look around to find some V3 measurements because I was disappointed in the off axis measurements I did find, i'd like to see what differences the beryllium drivers made to it.
I dont want to come off as DIY is better, because it isnt. There are a number of excellent speaker manufactures out there that put in state of the art research and engineering into their products.
I do suggest trying to listen to a well made waveguide speaker. If you have time to one day go to a guitar center and listen to a pair of JBl LSR305, LSR308 mastering monitors. They are very cheap $150, $240 per speaker respectively. Stand back a few feet and make sure to toe them in so each tweeter is facing your opposite year, pick a high quality recording, close your eyes and listen. What you should hear is not the speaker but what was recorded on the track. Then listen to the same track on your Paradigms and tell me what you think.
It looks like those 1099's have been tested against some very high end speakers and pretty much spanked them. Those DIY kits appear to use pro audio gear that's been tuned for home use. They'd just be loafing along, even at high volumes.
Attog, do you have any recommendations on one to try out?
You guys know your stuff, definitely a lot more than me as far as audio goes. I get more into the video side of things with calibration of the projectors and such. Probably due to losing a good chunk of my hearing when I was in the Army. And you are right about the "wizard behind the curtain." Steve Jobs would have hated my theater room, I made it all look good on the outside but for the parts behind the screen, which you wont see in normal use, I didn't do any work to make them look good. We tested the new crossovers last night and they all work, tonight we are insulating the speaker cavities and we should be finished with everything by Sunday.
I have a random question on audio..don't kill me... but a blind guy I knew used studio reference speakers for all his stuff...and well being blind and all I figure that he knows his hearing / sound stuff... His rationale was that these are the equipment / stuff that the studios use when mixing so why not use what they made the stuff on- they sure did sound nice - to me and my untrained ear. I pine for a theater room but do not have a dedicated room large enough to do this, but in my little old whatevers I was thinking of using studio reference speakers? is that just dumb?
Attog, kudos man, that's an awesome home built setup
Generally professional gear is held to a much higher standard than home speakers of any kind. These speakers need to be accurate and reliable for years and the contract prices are huge, so these companies have to provide the goods so to say. The first time i listened to mastering speakers for recording or high end concert speakers, they both blew away everything I heard for the home market. They will never look as nice, they aRE built for performance and not aesthetics, but if you can live with them they really cant be beat. Plus they are some times a few orders of magnitude cheaper for a better product than the home stuff.
The subwoofer market is a bit different than the speaker market. Surprisingly the true home theater subs from companies like Seaton sound, JTR, power sound audio, JL audio, are a few steps above the commercial/professional market. This is mostly due to the subs not having the need to play as low, inastead have to play much louder and require outboard dsp. Most of the higher end home subs have built in dsp which lend to a very flat and accurate response, whereas the professionals always tune the subs for their studio/venue and use outboard dsp, therefore these subs dont have the need to be as accurate.
Before my current setup a few years ago I was running an LG dvd/vcr combo home theatre in a box.
Wanted to take the next step up without laying down 4k per part. I've been quite happy with it for the most part.
Lounge room is a small 5mx4m room.
TV = Samsung Series 6 55" LED Smart TV
AV Receiver = Denon AVR-391 5.1 Receiver
Fronts = PSB Image T6 Towers
Center = PSB Imagine XC Centre
Surrounds = PSB Image B6 Bookshelf
Sub = Yamaha YST-SW030 Sub
I'm aware that my receiver and sub are the shittiest parts. Am I missing out on anything by driving these speakers with a cheap amp?
With the sub, I know it has it's place but how big of a difference would a new one have over what I've currently got, especially in the somewhat small area?
Nice setup btw attog, do you have any go-to movie scenes you plan to demo it out with?
I'm not much of a handyman but would attempt this process for a wall mounted screen.
DIY Glass Bead Projection Screen
Or if I didn't want to do any work, could always buy a Black Diamond screen.
I couldn't tell you which kits are better or worse, the only ones I have used are these. I can tell you that their surround kits have been popular and a bunch of the local guys are building those. The thing is most of the kits just come with a bunch of parts for the crossovers, so unless you are comfortable following a wiring diagram and soldering, you don't want to mess with these.
They do have a couple kits that have the crossovers already assembled, or you could hire that part out.
For demo tracks I like just about anything from John Wick, I like the original Jurassic Park, I like the scene in the first Thor movie where they are teleporting to the Ice Giant world. Then there are some good Dolby intro trailers available too.
The speakers are finally complete, we tested them and they work but I haven't got them in behind the screen and calibrated yet.
I fucking jizzed in my pants reading this.
I've been obsessed with building a home theater ever since I saw Interstellar on the "super digital magnificent ultra XD XD sound" screen at my theater.
I got the speakers installed and calibrated over the weekend. It was a damn tight fit, the Danley sub takes up so much space and the new speakers are quite a bit bigger than the old. I had to do a bit of surgery on the left screen pillar and trim it down so it wasn't covering up the drivers. Hard to get a good photo in that room it is so dark.
How do you like the speakers? I'm thinking about ordering something a bit smaller from that site.
I missed this post somehow. I used to own a full Danley 5.2 setup that included 2 Dts-10s in a treated room. Absolutely the best audio experience I've ever had. I was very proud of my old room.
I recommend some EQ for the Dts-10 there is a nasty 54hz ring that needs to be toned down. Also I would set your crossover no higher than 80hz. The Dts-10 is tuned for 12-80hz. Above that the frequency response gets ugly fast. Be prepared for a serious treat, the bass is insane from that thing.
anyone have any recommendations? Building out a condo from scratch. going to have a large, open living/dining/kitchen. center of the living room will be the TV, and I'd like to have a decent surround system but dont know the first thing about it. Going with the minimalist thing so probably need speakers in wall or ceiling. anyone have recommendations? Looking for bang for the buck but definitely on the cheap side of things
Hey guys. Anyone have any experience with projectors? I'm turning my man-cave into a convertible home theatre room. My budget is in the $1500 range, and the unit will be used for movie watching and consol gaming. After preliminary research, it looks like I have it narrowed down to BenQ HT1075, Optoma HD37 or Optoma GT1080. Anyone have experience with these units, or recommendations of your own? My main concern is a unit with under 50ms input lag.
Also, I haven't done much research on this, but surround sound systems... Any thoughts? $500-750 budget. Room is 10x16ft.
Over the last few years, I've probably dropped 40k on the mancave (and adjacent kid cave). At one point, we ran with a projector and screen, but with flat screens reaching 80 inches, I wanted something with not so much upkeep. For God's sake, it took ten minutes for my projector to warm up. We used to rock theatre chairs, but I decided I wanted something a little more comfortable. Sound quality is great, I can't tell the difference between this setup and other higher end systems. I may be tone deaf, though. The flat screen on side wall is for my Hyperspin setup with about 60,000 games, as well as PS3/Wii so the kids can play while I watch football. I just bought a combination coffee table/pull out tray top, so I can game on my laptop while watching movies while the family watches them while sitting on the sofa.
I'm open to mancave decorating ideas. I don't want to ask the women in my house (women don't get a vote down there). I'm thinking about buying a life sized Tardis (CD Holder), and also some life sized statues of characters I like (Star Wars, Marvel, Batman, etc.).
I'd love a set up like Attog's, but don't know how I would start. Are there companies that do just the decoration part?
I've played with the idea of throwing a few of these in there:
Iron Man Mark 4 Custom Statue Movie 1 1 Scale 6Feet 4inch Life Size Avengers | eBay
Life Size Star Wars Yoda with Lightsaber Full Size Prop Statue | eBay
Life Size Dark Knight Collection DC Comics Batman and Joker | eBay
Lyrical nice Atari and EQ posters. I do all my gaming on my pc and the theater room is strictly for movies, so I can't help much on the gaming projector question.
I did build all my sound treatments myself. The AVS forum has a mega thread on homemade sound treatments and I was able to get an acoustic treatment plan from a similar sized theater to mine and follow it. The guy paid 2k to have the plans laid out for him so it was nice of him to share them with me.
The side walls are treated from about chest height down with 1" of owens corning 703 insulation that is built into the panels. I made the panels by ripping plywood into 2" strips and building picture frames out of it. Then I beveled the outside edge and stretched the fabric over it and stapled on the back. The fabric is standard office cubicle type stuff.
The back wall has a full 2" of owens corning 703 on it and then the front corners behind the screen have triangular bass traps built into them. The back riser is vented and also acts as a bass trap.
I'm going to the CEDIA convention in Dallas in a couple weeks and going to check out what is new in the 4k projection world. Hopefully get to see 4k bluray if it is ready in time for the show.
My current projector, and possibly last, is a Optoma HD-25LV. Not as fancy as the Panny in terms of features, image adjustment etc. It took more effort to set up properly and wasn't as flexible in it's location. But so far the image quality has been excellent and the additional brightness is really appreciated, as I don't have great light control in my place.
At this point I'll replace the lamp in the Optoma once or twice, and then likely go with a smaller LCD. Kind of sick of messing around with projectors at this point. They can be awesome if set up properly in the right room, but I've had enough issues that I'm more or less ready to move on after this one craps out. The Hitachi lasted maybe 2-3 years, the Panny 5-6; if I get 3-5 years out of the Optoma I'll be happy.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I can't seem to find input lag data on the Epson 8500 though.
I mean hell, you can get good quality 70" LEDs for just over a grand nowadays, not sure why anyone would go with a projector unless you literally have a movie theater-sized screen in your home (like 50ft x 20ft) or unless my room is so large that I'm sitting 20+ feet from the screen. I'd listen to arguments for projector vs LED if your sitting distance is 15-20 feet(but I'd still lean LED, personally) and 15 feet and in, projection is just a dumb choice at that point. 65-70+ inch LED all the way when under 15 feet.
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I'm having trouble finding anything with good gaming performance (0-45ms input lag) at the 70-80inch mark coming in at $1500. Mind pointing me at one? Because honestly I'd love to just go with a nice big LED TV instead of fiddling with a projector. Mind you, the idea of playing some of the more atmospheric titles coming out next year (No Man's Sky, Warhammer: Total War, Distance, Wild, Need for Speed) on a 120 inch screen is pretty alluring.
Heck, I'll even bump my budget for a TV up to $2000 because a projector would have related costs (screen, mounting/calibration, decor, furniture).
Amazon.com: VIZIO E70-C3 70-Inch 1080p Smart LED HDTV - $1329: Electronics
has 40ms input lag according to the measurements in the review here
Vizio (E70-C3) Review
You might check out the chart at the bottom of this article...has a ton of TVs & model numbers listed with their input/response times
The Best Gaming TVs of 2015
Thanks man! That looks quite adequate.
So is the idea here that any LED is going to beat a projector in picture quality?
Input lag. Is it really that critical for playing video games? What are we talking about, the difference of 50-150ms here and there? (0.05 - 0.15 seconds)
Most HT setups like mine also route through an AVR for surround sound. You are adding even further lag there and mine is completely imperceptible. I have gamed like this for years without issue.
This weekend, I played an MMO the whole time, while the TV ran non-stop. Don't expect that with a projector, unless you want to keep replacing the bulb. In the past, I would have never let the kids use the projector for cartoons, games, Twitch, etc. But with the TV, I'm OK with that.
5+ years ago, comparing a 70" TV (probably $3000+) to a good projector ($1000 + replacement bulbs) seemed reasonable. But now that those TVs are 1/3 the price they used to be, and projectors are only maybe 30% cheaper, it's not a slam-dunk anymore, unless you are needing extremely huge screen sizes. a 70" TV is going to be plenty big for 99% of the general public.
Vizio® E70-C3 70-in. Smart 1080p LED TV
Compare that to...
BenQ HT1075 1080P 2200 ANSI Lumen 3D Full HD Home Theater Projector: Amazon.ca: Electronics
I could get a projector, the screen, and a very respectable 5.1 system for the same price as just that Vizio e70. From what I'm reading, the Vizio e60 panels are far superior to the larger ones in almost every respect, and the 65/70 inch panels get lackluster reviews.
I've never owned a projector, but this seems like a value proposition to me. Unless of course, the cons outweigh the pros. How much better (clarity, brightness, sharpness, colour fidelity etc) is an LED panel's picture than a projector? Is a projector a huge pain in the ass to own? Perhaps they take forever to power on, or need to be recalibrated frequently? I'd love to know.
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Don't get a projector if you plan on using it more than 10-15 hours a week. If all you're doing is watching a handful of movies per week, its fine. If it's something you're going to want to use for multiple hours every day, it's a bad idea.
only 3-4 hours of use per day and you're burning through a $100+ bulb every year
I'm the type of guy that likes to play MMO's and have movies running in the background, so the TV made more sense. Saturday I played MMO's from 9AM to 9PM, while I watched movies. You can't do that with a projector very often, before you see a lowering in quality. I remember we had a marathon session of Rome, and by the time it got to the end, you could tell a difference. If you run a bulb more than three to four hours, you see a drastic drop in quality that can only be fixed with a new bulb. Most bulbs are rated at 5,000 hours, but if you watch more than a few hours a day, it's not going to last that long. It will be so dark that you won't want to keep it.
I've set my room up to be a mancave, so I do game on the 80 inch. I played Forza 6 a bit this weekend on it.
I redid my basement about 6 years ago and installed a home theatre, its not a dedicated theater space like attog's but it works for me.
Screen is 106"
Projector: Epson Pro 7500 UB
I think this is the current model, haven't kept up on their model # changes.
Receiver: Integra DTR-6.9
Front, Center, and Surrounds: Revel Concerta (F12, C12 & S12)
Sub: Velodyne MiniVee
Bulbs run around $250 for my projector, I can find them cheaper ($60 range) but the cheap ones have been known to last all of 10 minutes. I currently have ~4600 hours on this bulb and while it may be dimmer than a brand new one the difference isn't that noticeable. That being said this is my second projector as the first one developed a red band on top and bottom of the screen within a 1000 hours or so. It was under warranty and Epson replaced the unit. I believe I'm on my third bulb in this projector, one exploded at ~600 hours and the other lasted around 1600 or so. Epson replaced both of those bulbs for free as well, although they were sure to tell me not to ask for any more free bulbs.
Just like any other TV once you get a projector calibrated it stays that way, every once in a while I have to re-focus the lens but that takes all of 5 seconds (Low ceilings in my basement) and powering on takes all of a minute. The most important thing when using a projector is total darkness as any ambient light will affect the brightness of the picture.
Do you guys have any advice for a room that is imperfectly shaped? I posted pics. There are too many areas where sound gets caught. I know there are gaps in the sound, one where you enter the room from the stairs, and the other where there is a partition where the pool table is. I had an installer come out and tell me the only thing they could do is move speaker placement around. Would a receiver with Dolby Atmos help, or does the movie/show have to be encoded?
I've caved in (no pun intended) and called professional installers for a consult.
I've lived in houses where my setup sounds flawless, where the room was perfect. The room is not perfect now. I bought in an area where the Real Estate prices are the highest in the state, so I'm not moving again. My house value has gone up 100 k in the last year and a half (sounds great, but the other luxury homes have gone up just as much). I need to make do with what I have.
I figure it like this. .. no matter what the size or shape of the room, there's only going to be one small area where the sound is perfectly balanced. Make that the spot where you sit the most, and let the rest be. You can't balance your sound to sound perfect in the front corner AND back corner of the room, it's just not going to happen.
Most of the guests that come over won't know the difference anyway. Most won't know what the difference is between 2.1 and 7.1 so why worry about having the perfect setup for them?
Ever been in a room where the sound is wonky, even though the system is nice? In other houses, it sounds like heaven.
My current setup (minus the screen for now, should have it by December):
Denon AVR-4306 (Dated, want to upgrade to an X7200WA - I love denon)
Panasonic PT AE1000U Projector (Also Dated, will be upgraded to an LCD once I use my extra bulbs I got for practically free)
B&W CM9GB 5" 3 Way Floor Speakers
B&W DS3B 5" 2 Way bookshelf surrounds
B&W CMCCGB Center channel
SVS PB Ultra 13 Subwoofer
Screen Innovations 144" Black Diamond Zero Edge Screen
That may be a dated projector but those Panasonic's all throw a great picture. May as well keep on using it until 4k becomes affordable.
^ What he said. Same can be said about the Denon receiver, unless it simply does not do the job you need it to. I had a Denon receiver in my upstairs el cheapo theater-in-a-box setup that lasted a good ten years before it decided to randomly die one day. I never turned it off either, so it was "on" for 10 years 24/7.
Yeah the projector looks great but once I get the screen it just won't cut it because I cant get a proper lens to scale 2.35:1 properly for that projector. The problem I have with the denon is just 3 HDMI inputs. That really really kills it for me. But I've managed to make do by using component for my PS3 at this point, but I hate dealing with "blocks" like that. It too though has certainly served me well. I'll have to take pictures of it inset into the wall, though it's not as fancy as some others out there by any stretch.
I was floored at the quality of the 80" HDTV's right now. The new Sharp Aquos 80" 4K is incredible. I almost bought it, they had a floor model that was like $2,500 and had been run only one month. But then I saw that it didn't have 3D. We actually use that.
This TV somewhat kills the whole projector versus TV argument. If you are a heavy user of TV, a projector won't work. Between movies, sports, video games for the kids, Netflix, etc., as a family, we are heavy users.
Heh, just went to Best Buy's website to see what there is for 80"+ TV's, out of curiosity. As I've mentioned, I'll likely not be replacing my current projector whenever it happens to crap out. Nice to see that there's TV's approaching 100", as my current screen size is 106". Not so nice to see that they are 20-30k. Jesus.
A few years back, they couldn't make an 80 inch flat screen for 4k (they were much higher). At this rate, maybe we'll see larger TV's at a lower price soon. 80 inches used to be $10k+.
At the rate things are advancing, it almost makes you afraid to buy anything new.
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see where the prices are at in 2-3 years when I may or may not be in the market. It's ridiculous how cheap the small panels have gotten, in the 30-50" range. I still remember the day my dad came home with a 27" Hitachi back in the late 80's or early 90's. That shit was the talk of the block.
Prices are coming down quick on this stuff.
Ah... perfect thread. I'll be closing on my house soon and will needing to pick out a decent home theater setup soon.
I'm swapping out my soundbar for a mid range speaker setup (for my bedroom and not mancave). I'm amazed what $1k gets you now, wow. Even the cheaper definitive setups are very nice.
I thought soundbars had gotten better, but apparently that is all marketing hype. I've had one for all of two days before it goes back.
Soundbars are decidedly better than the absolute crap-ass speakers built into most TVs nowadays (yay, a couple of 2" speakers on the back of the TV), but they still can't compare to true surround sound with a good receiver and speakers.
I only recommend soundbars to people that just absolutely don't have any space for surround sound or a receiver (TV in a bedroom, or mounted on an exterior wall for viewing on a deck/patio for example)
I'm buying a low end definitive system with a Yamaha receiver for the bedroom today. I was surprised at how good it sounded, for the price. It sounds better than the first HTIB I bought, and is cheaper.
I just had a professional company come in and look at my sound in my mancave. He talked for 20 minutes, and I didn't understand a word he said, but he tweaked some things, and it sounds a lot better already. He said something about Best Buy hooking in the sub wrong, and then the sub was firing at the same time as my other speakers (with subs) were, so that sound was being canceled. He is going to write up several different options, including going to 9.2 (front height speakers) and changing the surrounds. I kept bringing up other more expensive options like wall treatments, but he didn't want to go for it. He said he can bring the room up to 95% of its potential, but it won't be right unless I add a wall in.
Home values in my area are going up the roof, my house has increased 20% in value since I bought it. I don't think I want to move, probably homes will be outrageous in a few years. I'll get the sound right, and stay here.
I've got about a $1,250 budget to get a sound system setup. This is something I know effectively zero about. I'll have an HTPC (probably), Cable, OTA antenna, and probably a Chromecast/Firestick type deal plugged into it the TV. I'd like to be able stream music and shit from my phone on it.
Haven't really started looking yet so yeahhh... help?
Are there wireless surround sound systems or is the latency too high? I really just want to add two rear speakers. I can't seem to find any obvious candidates besides wireless subs (which I'm guessing you want or can be slightly off-sync to not drown out the lower output woofers and tweeters?) so maybe they are just impractical.
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Power requirements make wireless speakers pointless.
We're not there yet with wireless technology.
You need a receiver to send a wireless signal (they're prone to interference).
Then you need a wireless receiver, DAC, EQ, and amp, in each speaker. And then run a separate power cord.
Why are you running 100s of feet of cable that you couldn't route along a floor board? How big is this room?
The room isn't big footprint wise, but the ceiling is huge. I'd be looking at roughly 50-60 ft for each run.
If I route it on the floorboard it would be less but then it would be exposed and I'd be sad.
Anyways, forgot to mention that I have speaker mounts already build into the room for the Front/Rear speakers. Again I have zero freaking knowledge of home theater audio setups. Damnit. I know computers very well and could figure this all out myself but would rather seek the input of people with a little more education on it than I.
Off to Google anyways...
Don't use monster cable. It's overkill and too hard to hide. 14 or 12 gauge zip cord is easier to conceal.
Posting from my phone so it won't be as in depth as I want to be.
If you just need speakers HSU Research is supposed to be a fantastic value. I haven't heard them personally but people who's opinion that I trust say they are great.
For gaming or HT the most important speakers are the center channel and subwoofer.
With your budget if you need a receiver, I personally prefer pioneer's lower end models. You can generally grab the previous years models for a big discount off of amazon.
If you can go beyond a budget of $1250 let me know, your currently a few hundred shy of a really awesome setup.
I like the AVS forums too but you have to temper their advice with the fact they are enthusiasts. Some of their budget set ups are like 2000 so you just need to keep that in mind. I did take their advice on the Pioneers I have and for the small amount of money they cost are amazing.
To clarify, the TV/setup would be used for sports, movies/TV shows, and occasionally music (bluetooth from a phone or tablet when hosting people). Again, definitely not anything close to an audiophile but want a good setup without overdoing it *too* much. Guhh... that sounds vague as hell but I don't know how else to put it.
We have 4 speaker mounts that are all pre-wired to the spot for the receiver/etc (bookshelf size for the speaker mounts) and a spot for the center speaker (sub can go basically anywhere in the room). Not really too concerned about the setup, just don't really know what the hell I should be getting. Our TV will likely be a Samsung UN65JU7100 65-Inch 4K or very similar to that.
I'll check out the AV forums and the link forin provided (thanks for that).
I've pretty much settled on getting a pair of ELAC B6's for my front speakers. I may just get two pairs and throw the other two in the back. And I've more or less settled on the Denon AVR-X1200W for my receiver. That'll let me get a second sub in the future if I want. Haven't quite picked out a sub yet but may get on of the HSU's.
So here's my conundrum right now Lyrical: our TV room is setup like a total derp burglar.
Right now I'm trying to find a couple rear surround speakers to go with the front ELAC's that would fill the room out with sound well. Any suggestions there?
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