Emily Blunt, Josh Brolin, Benicio Del Toro, and Jon Bernthal. Looks really good, I can't wait for this one.
Love me some Emily Blunt.
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I learned the other day that Josh Brolin was the older kid in Goonies.
Also, that trailer was badass and reminded me I still need to watch Prisoners.
You can't trust a chick that wasn't in The Fappening. What is she hiding?
It's like having no credit history.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
It does look awesome, but I hate that they give away the whole god damn movie in the trailers. Emily Blunt is the reluctant hero, refuses the call, meets her mentor (Josh Brolin), crosses the [literal] threshold into Mexico, and her allegiance is tested when she finds out that (surprise!) she's helping the lesser of two evils (but evil nonetheless). The only part they didn't show was whether Blunt gets killed dead or just emotionally dead after the conflict is resolved.
I'm not so cynical that I won't enjoy the movie, but would it fucking kill them to leave a little mystery? At least the production value looks high. There must be a study somewhere that says you get more tickets sold by showing more and people don't care about spoilers.
Saw this today and really liked it. Del Toro is a John Wick style badass and I'm gay for Emily Blunt, so I was all in from the beginning but the music and the tension was really top notch.
Maybe you should dump your gf if that's all you could think about...
Cool movie. The atmosphere was gritty and noirish. It reminded me more of True Detective than Traffic.
Does Del Toro mumble his way to another Oscar by occasionally speaking his native language?
My lame ass theater is not going to get this likely because its not family friendly enough. Its an hour and a half to the next nearest theater.
In a hell hole in North West Oklahoma. Where I lived in Washington it was about the same as well though. Hopefully not for much longer though!
Him and his sister are fantastic actors. But they must be fuckin weird, fucked up people based on the only kinds of roles they take. Both of them play nothing but some seriously messed up characters.
They remind me of those idiots who try to be edgy and shocking (basically April Ludgate from Parks and Rec) by saying stupid shit they think will make people uncomfortable. Except they actually pull it off.
This was a great movie, didn't go where I think it would. Great direction, actors, script, cinematography.. 9/10
I liked this well enough, but it lacked a little something to be really great in my mind. I can't say what it was exactly. The acting was great, and I love Emily Blunt. I'm not a huge fan of Benicio del Toro, but I thought he was fabulous in this movie. But I don't know, it just didn't blow me away. I saw The Martian the night before, and liked that one a lot better. Perhaps having read the book colored my opinion though, who knows.
I still recommend seeing this, but maybe not in the theaters like I would for The Martian.
Really? Think this blows the Martian away. Need to see it again, fucking intense.
Pretty good movie. The two intense scenes were definitely very intense.
Great movie, I loved it. One question..........
Just watched this with the wife. Fucking loved it, and she's not usually into this level of violence, intensity or even the backdrop (cartel vs. agencies etc.)
Both Blunt and del Toro were brilliant.
I must say I did not like it as much as I thought I would. It's partly because, in the end, the plot does not amount to much (it's not like an investigation where things unfold or like a dive into the war on drugs where you go deeper and deeper into the underworld). Also, it is a little sub-par when compared to the other movies of the director and to movies that have similar topics and/or similar scenes. Still good though, but not great.
What examples of the same subject matter would you give? Honestly this isn't even a drug movie so I'd be interested to hear.
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It is a thriller, but it does not fit neatly into a specific type of thriller. It has elements of action, spy, conspiracy, and psychological.
I'd actually say it's a war movie and the Grantland review comparing this to Apocalypse Now is rather apt in I'd say. Granted the Vietnam War fit it almost perfectly but in reality you could place it in almost any war this world has ever had. Kurtz only looked insane to the people removed from the war, to those in it he looked like a natural reaction to the situation. Del Toro's character may be a bit over the top in taking a step back but you can't say he's crazy, he was created by the War on Drugs and is just a reaction to the increasing escalation. If you keep in mind the increasing military aid we give to almost every other country in the America's this certainly seems fitting.
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I think it was a very pointed political movie with a dash of suspense and revenge thrown in.
"US government is evil, but maybe less evil than these guys, so maybe it's okay, but not really okay since Pedro's corrupt cop dad died and he was just supporting his family!"
On a side note, for War On Drugs movies with a brazilian twist, I recommend Tropa De Elite (Elite Squad) and its sequel.
I don't think there's much deeper to delve into, the War on Drugs is just about the body count at this point same as it was in Vietnam. They're really not accomplishing anything more than killing people that will be replaced by other people that need to be killed again. That's why I think the Apocalypse Now comparison is a good one.
Szila, I'll spoiler this for those who haven't seen it:
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Good movie. Holy shit those landscape shots had me nodding off though.
Yeah just finished, was great. Could almost be down for a sequel, Emily Blunt is a badass and babe.
I'll be buying this.
Great movie. The cinematography and editing were incredible. I know it's way too gritty to be film of the year material, but I can't think of a single flaw in this movie (admittedly, the afterglow is still strong).
Hopefully this gets a sequel.
Just saw this, wife wanted to see a 'christmasey' movie so popped this one. She's not happy but this was def worth the watch
That's a bold move sir.
Shoulda gone with a classic christmas movie, Die Hard.
Benicio Del Toro is such a badass in this movie. Very intense Thriller. One of the best movies this year easily. Can recommend.
I don't know why this movie was not a bigger hit. Marketable stars that turned in great performances, a solid script, amazing action, and beautifully shot. It was one of the best action movies in recent years.
It wasn't really made to be a hit. It was all about tension, slow burn, harsh reality and staying the fuck away from Mexico. And Josh Brolin making James Bond look like Wayne Brady.
Now finish your dinner.
It's dark material with no real winners. It's not really for many people. I don't know why I would watch it again either. I liked it but...
Great movie. Excellent visuals. Although I disliked the main character and her partner. All the others were badass though. I was like, at what point do you realize that you need to just shut the fuck up and go with it lady?
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Everyone does a good job, it looks good, the soundtrack is good, and a lot of the film is very good but overall the story is just kinda weak. Emily Blunt's character is too naive and too idealistic over what really isn't all that big a deal. She takes stands at different points in the movie that I can't really get behind given the circumstances. Really, you're going to tell a CIA spook to his face that you're going to tattle on him? Her character has this weird arc where she starts out as a FBI badass that leads her own team of operators and by the end of the movie she's a scared little girl. It's like she performed a reverse Ripley. I think that a recut of the movie and focused on Benicio Del Toro's character would have been something I would have liked more. His performance and his character do all the heavy lifting.
It's still well into the Good category. It just could have been a 10/10 with a little better story instead of the 8/10 we got. It doesn't quite all come together but everything else is so good it makes for it.
I get where they were trying to go with it. As much of a badass as she is, she can't operate in this environment and in fact people like her make the problem worse. Through no fault of their own, they are trying to operate by a code of law against an enemy who has no respect for that. But yeah, ultimately they could have done a little better with that.
She's an FBI agent that leads a kidnap response team. We see what her team looks like at the open. That is a crew of operators that she leads. For her to have earned that position and to have done so as a woman would mean she was tougher than a coffin nail. For the rest of the film we never see her as the character that could have accomplished that. One of the first things she does is pitch a fit when two car fulls of armed gunmen that are flanking the convoy she's on get shot dead with zero civilian casualties on a mission that had approval and support from the Mexican government.
The two people on her team (her team) that got killed are not ever brought up again. Maybe make that a bigger deal? She's young and those are the first people she lost and she lost them in a booby trapped house that was full of corpses. That's some horrific shit. It's never brought up past the opening 12 minutes. She goes on to never really see or do much of anything.
From my point of view this wasn't a movie in the usual sense, it was more of a statement about how things can truly function when the decision is made somewhere. It wasn't entertainment. At least I didn't find it to be as none of the characters were particularly sympathetic and as such there was no suspense when they faced danger despite their best efforts (the music in the tunnel scene defined heavy handed). Instead of any sort of build up we were left in the dark just as much as the protagonist and so there was nothing to really ponder over or anticipate; we were just along for the ride like she was. Her character wasn't meant to be anything more than a foil to this other side of the government. It was partly effective but terrible from an entertainment standpoint.
Where the film failed for me was the lack of challenge it presented to the audience; if you are going to make a film like this then it should evoke some hard questions and real thought. In the end the only people who got hurt on film were presented as scum or connected to them so who cares, aside from a small mention about the Medellín Cartel there were no other implications or consequences to ponder beyond the protagonist's vague and ineffectual grumblings. It was weak.
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Fucking FINALLY able to watch the movie, after saying earlier in this thread I would for sure see it in theaters. Watched it with some family here for the holidays and after banishing an annoying family member who wouldn't shut the fuck up during the movie, I really enjoyed it. It has that same kind of dark "Prisoners" or "Zodiac" vibe to it (same director from Prisoners). My only real complaint:Think the story let the movie down a little on the back half, but the cinematography was absolutely beautiful. The gorgeous south/west Texas & Arizona skies, similar to scenes from No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood. Definitely recommended.Spoiler:
The Bridge scene was absolutely phenomenal, the whole Juarez extraction was just incredibly tense. I went back and watched it multiple times. Posting it in spoiler.Spoiler:
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I liked the movie more than I thought I would; I also concur with all the statements about Blunt's char. Even assuming you were absolutely dead set on "doing it by the book", there are so many times where it's obvious that her pie in the sky brand of law doesn't at all work for the shit they need to do, and that everyone who is connected to her and above has given the go ahead for everything. She is on a raft by herself, in extremely dangerous situations. As mentioned, if she had all this experience that she was leading her own team, it should have been obvious to the char that a breakdown on her part could not only endanger herself, but everyone else involved.
I found the whole thing really far fetched, and sort of contrived. Like she was just there for comparison or something.
But still really liked it. The last few scenes with Del Toro were really money.
Since anybody can watch this movie at yifitv, I am not going to bother spoiling stuff at this point. There were parts in this movie that were perfect and other parts that confused me. As others have stated, Emily Blunt's character was the focus of most of the confusing parts. It was as if she was two different people in the same role. I could see how her character would fall apart but surely she would not have been so naive as to not understand what was going on. Her reaction to the car scene was really awful. The only thing I can figure is that perhaps that reaction was an extension of the house scene. Given the close proximity of both events, it could be she had not fully recovered from losing two people on her watch. I was hoping she was going to pull that trigger at the end. That was a serious mind fuck to have a guy on your side threatening to off you and make it seem like a suicide. This after he shot her twice and she still let him walk.
I liked the movie as it shows the brutality that occurs in Mexico and is spilling into our country.
I think a lot of you guys are kinda missing the point of Blunt's character. She is you. Well the general movie going audience. Soccer moms and pastors, dudebro's and cat ladies. Sally Q Public. People who's first and only thought on the war on drugs is that drugs are bad so they should be illegal and has never given that line of reasoning a moment's consideration for the utter chaos and shit that it is responsible for.
She represents the naivety of that simplistic view on drug prohibition and as the story unfolds she maintains this willful ignorance/naivety to the consequences all around her, despite the fact that she should wake up an accept the shit that is happening she refuses to do so. Just like american's do to the horrors and futility of the war on drugs. The apocalypse now comparison is an apt one. This isn't a movie about the war on drugs itself, hundreds of films and documentaries have been made showing every aspect of it and it's effects on the world we live in, this is a film about the costs of waging a "war" we have no means of ever winning, that was never meant to be won. It's about the fatalistic acceptance that our best case scenario is some jaded nostalgia of "order", moving the "front lines" of the war off of our door step and back to Colombia, which is itself an impossible task. (this only applies to people in the heartland, the urban communities will always be the frontlines since the war on drugs is responsible for the gangs and gang violence which have claimed the inner cities).
In the end she is forced to swallow it, everything. She is forced at gunpoint to sign an approval of everything that happened, she must acknowledge that her beliefs and the futility of them is complicit in all of this shit. She is traumatized by the events but she never takes a critical look at herself and her culpability in what happened. she does not mature or change. That is the point.
The contrast between how strong and badass she is early vs. how helpless she was by the end was pretty cool, with Del Toro offering the perfect juxtaposition in the closing scenes.
I was actually reminded of Nicholson's famous scene from A Few Good Men when the movie ended, since Blunt basically lived through the 'grotesque existence' that Nicholson was trying to convey to Cruise when he said "you don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall."
I enjoy strong character development in a movie, but having a person with relatable morals and values dropped into an extreme situation and watching them get excruciatingly fucked with was refreshing and interesting.
I get that she's the audience perspective character. The problem is they wrote her as the leader of a FBI kidnapping response team and after the first 12 minutes of the movie not only is her backstory not relevant anymore but her actions are mostly incongruent with what we are told about the character. We never see the person that was so tough and so good that she was able to achieve what she achieved and do it as a woman. She doesn't hardly see anything happen. Her morality is never on the line. Then she cries and the movie ends. Either she needed to go through some horrible shit (stuff more like what happened to her in the open) or she needed a different backstory. Writing her as a mega hard ass makes her emotional decay absurd.
She's supposed to be a badass leader, even in the meetings to recruit her, we see them play her up. Then she just becomes jelly and more jelly with every scene. Blunt plays her well, but i believe the character was horribly written wrong, or re-written many times, as her character is the worst one.
The whole tunnel scene was a whole gaggle of fuck ups, just on her.
Spoiler alert obviously.
My gut feeling is that there must be a version of the scenario where Del Toro's character is the main protagonist. I mean, he is the titular character and is the only one with a back story and personal motivations. From there, to take some distance from an ambiguous main character, they added a kind of Watson: a squeaky clean, point of view character, with the added benefit of now having someone that discovers things like the viewer does. For additional contrast and to avoid a sausage fest, they made that character a female.
The problem is that they need a justification for the presence of the character. They try to be clever with it, with an official one (she is very good / task force) and officious one (someone with the proper jurisdiction is needed to sign papers), but they quickly forget the 'she is very good' part, they add a double crossing sub-plot where she is both a damsel in distress and a bait and finally they decide to forget about this whole POV thing and keep the grand finale from the first version of the script.
It's all a bit strange.
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