I have only read the Talisman and loved it. I really need to read this series.
looks like they found another director
THE DARK TOWER Eying Nikolaj Arcel to Direct | Nerdist
i still think they need to adapt The Talisman before they ever make a Dark Tower movie, this way it sets everyone up for the Territories.Good news, Stephen King fans: Deadline has reported that Media Rights Capital and Sony Pictures are going to try and strike a deal with Danish writer/director Nikolaj Arcel to helm the first part of their adaptation of The Dark Tower series. Cinephiles may recognize Arcel as the man who wrote the Swedish adaptation of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and, directed the film The Royal Affair, which was nominated for the Best Foreign Film Oscar. Securing a director will be yet another battle won in the long war of The Dark Tower adaptation.
At a time when George R.R. Martin was still trying to get his science fiction novels published, before J.K. Rowling had even dreamed of a boy wizard with a scar, Stephen King was publishing the first part of his multi-part fantasy epic, The Dark Tower. A strange story about an other-worldly gunslinger named Roland Deschain trying to put a stop to inter-dimensional turmoil, the series was a major departure from the norm for King. It took 30 years for King to publish the 8 books in the series, and has even hinted that he’s not quite done yet.
While Rowling’s Harry Potter series saw quick and massive commercial success as both books and films, and Martin’s A Song Of Ice And Fire series awaiting its next novel despite Game Of Thrones forging on ahead anyway, King has had a bit more hardship with adapting his series. Since 2007, the series has bounced from studio to studio in an attempt to find funding and production for an adaptation that would incorporate several films as well as a television series. MRC has been clinging to the distribution rights ever since Warner Bros. passed on the project in 2012. The recent addition of Sony Pictures and subsequent hunt for a director are all signs that this could finally happen.
Are you excited to see The Dark Tower series come to life? Think Nikolaj Arcel would be a good choice? Let us know in the comments below.
I have only read the Talisman and loved it. I really need to read this series.
talisman was so incredible, i think it got me into MMORPGs. i think the movie order should be Talisman, The Eyes of the Dragon, The Stand and then Dark Tower.
I enjoyed the books. I hope this gets done right.
I enjoyed the first three Dark Tower books, especially the first one, "The Gunslinger" and the third one, "The Waste Lands." I thought the story kind of fell apart after the third book, and I haven't even read the last two.
the wasteland was published 1991
wizard and glass 1997
Wolves of the calla 2003
to be fair there was a very small bit of progress in W&G, but 95% of it was a flashback so we had to wait 12 fucking years for the story to really continue. then add that king was run over by a car and almost died in 99 so it looked like we may never get another story ever. some of you guys who complain that GRR Martin is taking too long with a new ASoFaI novel have nothing on us DT fans. i was following this series since 86 and it took 18 more years for it to complete and it was not a good payoff.
The Man in Black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed.
That Randall Flagg...
What a rascal.
I don't even remember how many people wound up being Flagg, and that's just counting the DT books. He was a busy walkin dude.
He wasn't MIB/Martin or the Crimson King, right? Just... everyone else.
Randall Flagg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Marten Broadcloak, a wizard who conspires with the Crimson King to cause the fall of the Dark Tower. In the original Marten is a separate person from Walter, who is also not known to be Flagg, but Marten and Walter are ret-conned into one character in later editions. In the original edition Walter speaks derisively of Marten, implying Marten would not be able to handle the vision that Walter showed Roland.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 06-04-2015 at 07:14 PM.
For those who read talisman you should read black house as well. Not as good but still was immensely entertaining.
Gunslinger seems underrated. Most people I've talked to about the series said that the first novel was boring, but the atmosphere of the book is solid.
Wizard and Glass was definitely the best written of the series. Like, by a mile. He was channeling the best of classic New England romantic era fiction, and did it masterfully.
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i feel you man, i had a lot of hate for that book for years, and it didnt help that king was being such a cock about it in some of his references to readers criticisms to book 4 and that the story is not moving at all. i love king's books, but if i knew him in real life i would probably punch him in his fucking face.
i am at the point now that i can accept wizard and glass as a very good story and at least he filled that 12 year void in story progression with other dark tower related books. insomnia, hearts in atlantis, black house, the regulators and from a buick 8 were all great stuff with satisfying endings
Off topic, but....And I guess spoiler alert for those who haven't read the last book....But the artist guy, Patrick, who helped draw out of existence the Crimson King.....What other series was that character from? I could never find out via Google, but I swear there was a made for tv movie with that character that I remember watching as a kid.
How wrong am I about that?
Also, I think Netflix needs to pick this up. Forget movies. I think this story belongs on a competent "network" not in the theaters unless you're showing me completely new material.
So far I have found The Drawing of the Three much easier to get into, and not put down.
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Also the books on tape for books 1-4 I think are good as shit. The narrator for them was in an accident and didn't finish the series though, the new guy wasn't near as good.
I love Wizard and Glass and did from the first read. Love the story and writing all on it's own, love the backstory on gunslingers and the world.
If any of you haven't you should definitely pick up at least the first Marvel Gunslinger Born trade paperback, it's the W&G story. Gorgeous art by Jae Lee, the Susan Delgado cover is one of my favorites ever.
I can't say that I'd be looking forward to this being adapted for the big screen.
The first few books were awesome but absolutely went to shit and when a King story goes to shit he goes all out.
I think wolves of the calla was still fairly decent, but after that the books went downhill fast. if the author basically apologizes for the ending in advance, that seems to me as a huge red flag, indicating he wasn't happy with what he wrote but didn't want to bother to change it. the whole crimson king and mordred stuff was just disappointment after disappointment.
Was that the one where King gave himself a part?
Because that was awful, I think I've deleted a lot of it from my memory.
King definitely painted himself into a corner with that series. He obviously had no idea where he wanted to take that story. As I've never read the last two, I don't know how it ends, but everyone that I've spoken to who has finished the series, said it was fucking terrible.
Yeah a lot of people don't like the end, but I'm not one of them. I think the ending was fine. Hell I don't even mind that King wrote himself into the book. He kind of portrayed himself as an asshole anyway.
Largely getting back to work on the tower by divine intervention, and so the story of finally ending the books comes full circle as well.
The ultimate build up to the great finale brought me to tears, heck even thinking about it gets the job done. -oy
I understand why some didn't like the ending (though I did) but I really don't get the hate on Wolves of Calla or Wizard and Glass. They were my two favorites of the series.
It wasn't the ending that let the story down and more that it just derailed from how it started so wildly and randomly.
oh there is nothing wrong with wolves of callah, its pretty fucking awesome. father callahan was badass.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 06-07-2015 at 11:47 PM.
Yeah, I guess I get that. I just read the series for the first time this year. Had I been reading them as they were coming out, the cliffhanger at the end of book 3 would have made me salty as hell.
If you want an atrocious ending to an otherwise strong read then go pick up a copy of under the dome. I wanted to break my kindle with the uncanny undeveloped bullshit he pulled there.
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king has tons of good endings in his earlier works. tons. you gotta realize that his stuff after he got off the sauce is not on par with his drug crazed works. he was more creative in the 70s and 80s. thats not to say that he has no good endings in the 90s and beyond, but those are few and far between.
always said this but I think the movie should start with Roland having the Horn of Eld @ his side - then you can kinda just do whatever the F you want with it
How do you end it then? Roland climbs to the top of the tower and shoots god in the face Preacher style? He just slumps over and dies? He goes to a new world with the rest of the crew and has hot chocolate? The cyclical ending kinda sucks but it also fits so damn well to the story as a whole.
For the record, I wouldn't have been too upset with the hot chocolate ending either.
Why not have a storybook ending? Why not have something big? So it was going to be a hard story to end properly. That's no reason to give the shitty, cop-out ending we got. Oh, he's in a loop. Lovely. But THIS time he's got the Horn of Eld! Hey asshole, maybe tell me that story? Maybe that's the story I wanted and thought I had signed up for before the zero hour bait and switch? Oh, I get it. The poem is the true ending of the story.
He gets there, he blows the horn, and he gets off the karmic wheel. The end.There they stood, ranged along the hillsides, met
To view the last of me, a living frame
For one more picture! In a sheet of flame
I saw them and I knew them all. And yet
Dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set,
And blew. ’Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came.’
Years later that last book still angers up my blood. And then King later went back to write another book into the middle of the series. Asshole.
He's just not great at endings. I thought Doctor Sleep was pretty decent overall but when it came to be the final confrontation all the bad guys got jobbed out immediately and it was all around anti-climatic. I was envisioning this really massive event where Rose the Hat goes into Danny's mind and flips open all the boxes in his head that he had imprisoned the different ghosts of the Overlook and he has to confront and defeat each of them again in a massive psychic construct of the hotel itself before the dark secret is revealed that his father too had turned into a malicious poltergeist that he had to lock up in his head just like the others. His father was beyond redemption when he was six but maybe it's not too late! Maybe Abra, being younger and massively powerful, takes control of the psychic consciousness that is the Overlook and turns it against the vampire horde. Maybe she communicates with it and strikes a deal. The hotel is family business, after all. Something big, goddamn it.
His books are long enough that I have plenty of time to make guesses as to what is going to happen and unfortunately King often disappoints me when we get to the final few chapters. Not always and not even the majority but enough to be frustrating.
interestingly, all the books he wrote as richard bachman have good endings. the ending of roadwork and the running man are my favorites.
insomnia, the stand, the shining are examples of decent endings. he can do good endings, but unfortunately the dark tower wasn't one of those occasions. the story just felt like it fell apart at song of susannah.
No one else but King could get away with introducing a character like Patrick Danville at the very very end of a seven book epic through a magic door and having him immediately job out the primary antagonist of not only that series but other books. Hey, this kid who gets like two lines in a different book that the main character of this book has dubbed "thin" (and thus fictional even from the perspective of our heroes) just straight up erases the villain. Before that Randall Flag has to do the J.O.B to Mordred to give him cred (another wasted villain built up over several books) and then Mordred goes on to job to Roland almost immediately after.
The Dark Tower is like this amazing road trip of discovery that takes you all across the country that ends at a truck stop in Duluth. Was this really where we were headed the entire time?
edit - I love the ending to Salem's Lot. The few survivors there are go back to the town during high noon and burn the whole thing to the motherfucking ground.
Last edited by Arbitrary; 06-11-2015 at 07:53 PM.
Again, The Dark Tower series was tied very intimately with "reality." The reality of it is, most stories don't end in storybook fashion, they end at a truck stop in Duluth, or with an ignoble death in the mud of a ditch, or with an unexpected car crash- all those things that actually happen that you wish didn't. If King had put a storybook ending on Tower he would have betrayed the whole series. The best he could do was not end it at all- which is essentially what he did.
By acknowledging that the story never really ends, he leaves room for the future. As Jake said very early in the series to Roland, "Go then. There are other worlds than these."
The story does end. The poem is the true ending of the story. It's literally how the book ends. Get out your copy, open it up, flip to the end, and there's the poem. He gets to the tower, he blows the horn, the end.
While going through all 7 back to back over a relatively short period of time, I got the idea that the series became some kind of metaphor for King's writing process or at least his relationship to it. If you read the forward (or "Argument" before the 3-5th? books) I think he hints at something like this, but the weirdness of the last book seemed to me like proof enough. And by weirdness, I am referring to the characters recognizing that their existence depends on King's survival, their recognition of them as characters in King's novels, etc.
Overall I liked the books and I don't have a problem with the ending because of what I think they mean. In other words, I am of the mind that King couldn't have written a storybook ending to the series even if he wanted to because, metaphorically speaking, I think people like King write because they have these ideas and they have to write to get them out. So assuming this, the only feasible ending had to reflect the notion that King's writing process is more about the journey and the process of becoming than it is about knowing where he will end up when he is finished. So no matter how many books he writes the last line of the last book is, for all intents and purposes, the same as the first line in the next book.
But I overthink shit and am probably wrong. Just my 2 cents.
In both The Body and the film adaptation Stand by Me the character of Gordy LaChance tells his friends a revenge story with a fat kid that pukes on everyone at a pie eating contest. In both the book and the movie it's this great, surreal little detour. At the end of the story his friends all cheer and ask him what happened next.
"What do you mean what happens next? That's the end" replies Gordy. His friends all make suggestions as to what could have happened and all Gordy has is "maybe he went home and had a cheeseburger." His friends all bag on him. "That ending sucked."
It's thirty years later and he's still Gordy and we're still his friends telling him his endings suck sometimes.
the original The Stand, Different Seasons, Dead Zone, The Talisman, It, The Green Mile, Salem's Lot, Skeleton Crew, The Bachman Books, Night Shift, Four Past Midnight, Tommyknockers, DT: The Gunslinger, DT: Drawing of The Three, DT: Wasteland, DT Wolves of The Calla, The Eyes Of The Dragon and The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon? you're saying all those books are dime novel crap? yeah no.
I had a friend ruin the Tommyknockers forever when he pointed out that the super intelligent aliens couldn't convert AC to DC.
You've got not only the aliens but an entire town's worth of people that didn't have that basic information. The whole thing just falls apart.
Everything the townspeople "invented" were powered by batteries. They were sending people out to all the nearby cities to buy more batteries. Batteries are a big part of the narrative both literally and symbolically but you can convert AC to DC which is kind of a big problem.
well it was only a problem because they were using mostly earth batteries and they had not yet switched over to the biological kind. keep in mind the tommyknocker radiation coming from that ship only knows from AC type of power, so its logical that they would think so singlemindely, if you notice they were a hivemind towards the end. if the TK residue didnt think about DC then bobbie didnt and the rest of the town didnt either.
lets make an example, cuz i like examples, lets imagine the tommyknockers are great white sharks. a great white shark only eats swims and makes little sharks, they only eat meat. they have razor sharp teeth made for ripping and tearing flesh. if you put them in water where there was only vegetation and no other fish, that shark will die.
put a tommyknocker where there are no forms of batteries they will cease to be. simple as that. you should have told your friend , "well duh" when he said that to you.
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The people still were mostly people for a long time. Not a single person in that town had that piece of general information. They instead drove across the countryside looking for batteries.
It's been a while since I've read it. Why do you keep saying the ship was alternating current?
For all you "constant readers" in this thread, what would you have thought if he ended it at "the warning" and just had him walk into the tower, fade to black? What about the general public? Rage or satisfaction?
the loop ending was just a copout, lazy lazy writing. i understand the guy was still recovering from his car accident, but in the 11 years since he finished he could have thought up a better ending. he assraped The Stand by "updating" it in 1990, he can add little sidestories and retcons in the DT books after the fact, but the ending? thats set in stone for some odd reason.
I can't even imagine what another couple thousand pages on that brick would be like. couple of times Even in its current form it could really use a 100-200 page trim.
Two major stars could be climbing Stephen King’s The Dark Tower. One hopes to cancel the apocalypse…
Supreme badass Idris Elba is in early talks to play gunslinger Roland Deschain in The Dark Tower, with Matthew McConaughey in negotiations to play the villainous Man in Black, TheWrap writes.
Sony Pictures and MRC are co-financing the ambitious feature film, which Nikolaj Arcel will direct from a script by Akiva Goldsman and Jeff Pinkner that’s primarily based on the first book in King’s series, “The Gunslinger.” Arcel is currently working with Oscar-winning Danish filmmaker Anders Thomas Jensen (Election Night) to rewrite the script.
Some interesting additional news is that Elba, who starred in Prometheus, had recently been sought to star alongside Tom Cruise in The Mummy for Universal but he passed on the project last week. The site’s insiders suggest he was waiting for McConaughey’s talks for The Dark Tower to progress before entertaining the idea of scaling The Dark Tower, as the two actors are keen to work together.
McConaughey had previously been offered the role of Roland several weeks ago but found himself drawn to the Man in Black upon reading the script.
King’s book blends horror and fantasy to tell the tale of a gunslinger who has taken up the lifelong quest of locating The Dark Tower – which is the nexus of the universe — before evil invades and destroys the tower, ending all existence.
Pinkner is expected to executive produce with MRC, which is also developing a companion TV series that’s long been part of the adaptation plans.
Stringer Bell as Roland? That's not exactly how I pictured him, but it could work. Him being black might change his relationship with Susannah in the earlier books since she won't be able to call him honkey all the time.
I think this movie has zero chance of being very good, but it seems like they are attracting some pretty good actors at least.
Shouldn't they be casting a black guy to play Roland for the reboot of the series five years after the first iteration comes out? I feel like hollywood is getting lazy and skipping a step here.
Seriously, though, I like Idris Elba, but this just seems like a poor decision. Is it possible they're considering this to avoid the whole Detta "honky mufa" portions because it's safer with all the SJW bullshit flying around? I guess if you didn't give two shits about staying true to the source material you could rewrite things to make it work, but it just feels like a massive red flag to the whole project. Guess any hope I had for the series is dead if they're even considering to go this route.
Maybe hollywood felt there wasn't enough magical black people in the story like most of King's other stuff, so why not make Roland magically black....
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Idris Elba as Roland? WTF? I always imagined Roland as a Clint Eastwood type, that's at least how they describe him in the books. Besides the fact that Roland wasn't black, he wasn't described in any way that resembles Idris.. I don't get it..
Is he going to lose 50 pounds?
FFS just STOP. There's only four fucking characters and one of them is already black AND female, a two-fer.
You know what, let's just have him play George Washington and take over as Princess Leia.
Would it be OK to replace Detta with a white chick? Of course not, everyone from SJW to fans of the book would be outraged. Its just as bad in the other direction. Roland isnt black. Fuck that.
heh, there is no fucking way that Detta isn't either completely wiped out from the story entirely, or massively altered. Not a chance in hell she remains as written in the books. And honestly, King DID have a bad habit of over using the magical negro trope. The Stand, Shining, Green Mile, The Talisman and The Dark Tower all have various versions of it. I personally don't give a shit and have enjoyed all of those, but in today's day and age it's not surprising that they have to be a lot more careful about that kind of thing.
Come to think of it, he had magical retards pretty often, too. The Stand even had two, with Trashcan Man and Tom Cullen.
Hell even the Darktower has a magical retard with Sheemie.
In doing some reading about the magical negro thing, apparently Detta wouldn't actually fit in the trope. But in any case, it's pretty obvious that they'll have to fairly significantly change that character to avoid people losing their shit.
uh no, forget that Elba is black. he is fat as fuck for the role. the gunslinger is a lanky almost starving man, going on sheer will alone. Elba is also too fucking old, like by at least 15 years. Hugh Jackman could probably do a better job of it even though even he might be too old and a little too fat. I would like to see Elba in the movie, but maybe as roland's old teacher, Cort.
detta will never be like she was in the book, not too many actresses willing to finger themselves while they steal and break forspecial blue plates.
i think mconnaghey could make a great randall flagg, he has the right body type and the right amount of crazy.
The Rock could be a cool Ticktock man
Eddie? not sure, maybe once upon a time ewan mcgregor, or christian bale, but both are passed their prime. plus they would be too on the nose. its gotta be somebody young enough and scrawny enough to believe they are a junkie, but they also need to look like somebody you wouldnt want to fuck with.
Hugh Jackman too fat? WTF Astro.
The Gunslinger is not black. Hollywood has to fuck everything up. It's bad enough the new Star Wars movie was made PC by having a chick and a black guy as its protagonists. How about Hollywood makes a movie about Martin Luther King, played by Keanu Reeves?
a black roland makes no goddamned sense in regards to the story in the book. detta would look silly calling idris elba a white mofo. so basically its confirmation that they will skip the book detta and probably give us a tough light skin black girl(zoe saldana!???) who is more bi polar than symbiotic (i hope i used that word correctly). it will look even sillier when the two will see each other, split up and start blasting lobstrosities on the beach. hopefully King will step off his white guilt high horse and put his fucking foot down and say, "you will fuck up a lot of shit if you change this character from white to black. sure, its a nice gesture and will pull in the "urban market", but the movie will have little resemblance to the mechanics of later film adaptations of the other DT novels. so cut the shit and let Roland be white like intended"
i understand the politics of diversity these days, you cant have an all white cast, with the one black character as a violent, vulgar kleptomaniac with mental problems. thats typical king, he doesnt know how to write realistic black people and its understandable because he lives in a whitebread community all his life. with that in mind, in order for this movie to work, you need a hard as nails desperate white character like roland, a strung out white junkie with a hard edge and cunning intellect, you need a darkskinned black woman (i know hollywood hates them) who has 2 sperate entities living in one body. one a sweet intelligent civil rights oriented rich woman and then you have a cunning ,hard as nails, rough talking savage who only wants to murder everyone and every thing. also lets not leave out jake who will probably be the hardest actor to cast for the role. he has to be young, but mature beyond his years and not act like whiny little faggot, because he too is tough as nails, he has to believably be able to complete the dangerous tasks he will need to do.
there is a reason why nobody wants to make this movie, because it will be so easy to fuck up one thing which could lead to everything else getting fucked up beyond all repair. or maybe they could just give it to george miller and film the whole thing in australia with a bunch of unknown aussie actors.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 12-11-2015 at 10:06 AM.
That would work better then making Roland black, but then you'll have someone bitching about portraying them as a junkie. The more I think about it, the more I hope the movie stays in development hell and never see's the light of day. If you're passionate about a project and want to spend millions of dollars and years of your time on something to bring it to the big screen, why the hell would you not attempt to stay as true to the source material as possible?
Guess hollywood is gonna hollywood. In their eyes it's safer to placate the audience with an SJW friendly cast, plus it's a larger demographic tapped for increased ticket sales. I just can't imagine your average Tyrone wanting to see a movie with heavey fantasy / scifi elements, with a cowboy as the protagonist, just because the guy is portrayed by a black man. While they're at it, why not just cast Jake as an asian kid so they have a well-rounded, ethno friendly ka-tet. Hell, you can even make Oy a cat, the interenet says people love cats, and they don't get a lot of screen time.
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