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We got any bartenders up here on RR? I'm seriously considering going to bartending school to make a little extra cash on nights/weekends and the schools around me seem to vary in tuition range from like $250 to $1700 and I'm wondering why.
Is there any benefit to going to a more expensive school? It seems like there wouldn't be any at all other than maybe connections but those connections might be seriously lucrative considering the vast difference in the kinds of clientele and therefore tips you'd be getting. Anyone have any experience with this?
Remember I am not looking to turn this into any kind of full time gig, it would strictly be nights and weekends, but hopefully mostly weekends. Although I guess bartending is always strictly nights/weekends...
Bartending school doesn't do jack to get you into the business unless you're planning on opening like a private catering type service where you bartend for weddings and shit.
Don't waste your time and money.
My cousin went to bartending school and he says the same thing Hodj said. I imagine you'd need quite a bit of bartending experience in order to work at a place that a) won't be stressful/annoying and b) will give you enough money to make it worth your while. With no bartending experience you'd probably end up having to settle for the type of place where you're either bored out of your mind and making no cash, or just opening bottles of bud light all night long and getting screamed at by drunk chicks looking for their misplaced purses and shoes.
Honestly, working in any service industry seems like a shitty way to make extra cash, unless you have some kind of connection where you can get a plum job with lots of money for little stress.
Can anyone explain to me how someone who frequently posts about his higher than average income level is considering being a bartender for extra cash, or maybe explain how a person who has frequently said they wouldn't even consider going on a date with someone who makes less than them is going to deal with the rabble rousing crowd that is the bartending profession?
It also seems like a lot more fun than most other kinds of part time work.
Just watch Bar Rescue and do the exact opposite of what the staff does until Taffer and company rip them apart and teach them the right way.
Do not go to bartending school.
Chances are you probably won't be able to land a job as a bartender, if you have zero experience under your belt, anyway unless you know a lot of other bartenders/Bar owners. There's plenty of other routes to make side money.
You'll never get a gig at a decent spot based on 'bartending school'. Most industry vets kinda joke about it in my experience. Being good looking will get you further than any certificate will, and years in the shit are paramount.
How old are you? Fitness level? Years experience?
But I'm fairly certain I'd be able to get a job. I ain't no troll.
And let's get one thing out of the way. We're talking about being a bartender here gents, not trying to be the next Elon Musk. I can't believe some of you guys are actually trying to say I won't be able to find a job.... bartending.
Last edited by Khane; 05-06-2015 at 12:55 PM.
You should definitely go the gigalo route. Make more money, meet women who make a lot of money(see marriage thread), then become disappointed when those women fail your impossible standards.
You guys are funny claiming I have impossible standards. Stop bleeding that shit into this thread! We're talking about bartending here damnit.
Or just put all of that 1% money you make into paying your loans off?
I am paying off all my loans, but without taking a second job it's going to take about 6 years to pay off my mortgage, I want it done sooner than that. You guys seem butthurt that I want to take on secondary work to accelerate my plans.
I just think bartending would be fun for a year or two.
This might sound nutty, but if you have a vehicle capable of pulling a short trailer, and a riding lawn mower, you could consider mowing yards for old people. At ~20 bucks a yard, if you can clear 50 yards in the evenings and on weekends, you're looking at a cool 1000 bucks extra a week untaxed minus gas.
If you can mow a regular sized yard in ~30 mins, that's 6 yards a night X 5 nights = 30 yards. Now do 20 more on Saturday/Sunday.
Of course there's leg work and marketing and shit involved, you may not get to that ideal your first summer, but I see a shit load of people doing that for extra cash and it seems to work out well. We're talking people with college degrees usually with good jobs.
Those are all perfectly valid caveats.
Its weird, we have fuckloads of hispanics in Lexington, but they don't do much yard work.
They did all the tobacco work till that industry died, and now they're all in construction.
Mostly middle aged white guys doing yard work for old people round here that I see personally.
Honestly doing the software dev on the side would make me way more money than any of the other options I just don't want to deal with it, I want to do something else. Mowing isn't a bad proposition since I already own a lawn tractor but I think Cad is right, not much opportunity for that at a decent price point to make it worth my while.
Yeah pretty sure most bars would prefer to hire some smoking hot chick who doesn't know water from tequila over a qualified and experienced frumpy dude. Bars make most of their money from women (either directly or indirectly) so having a built in hot chick to be there every weekend can be a pretty good revenue stream.
Maybe do some Uber driving?
Last edited by Tenks; 05-06-2015 at 04:20 PM.
Have you thought about teaching evening classes (related to your career field) at a community college? I make about $700/month (after taxes) teaching one class, for only a total of about 5 - 6 hours a week of work (2-hours, 2 nights a week + 1 - 2 hours of prep/grading a week). It's not as much as a bartending job would bring it, but it's something that I genuinely enjoy doing and is insanely slow stress. Plus since it's either Mon/Wed or Tue/Thur evenings, it doesn't require sacrificing weekend nights.
I'd rather do sidework in my related field than teach about it for a modest earning to be honest. The bartending thing really is only because I just think it would be fun and that I would be good at it.
I bet if I shaved my facial hair into an ironic mustache and wore a fedora I'd have no problem finding a bartending job at some trendy douche bar. I do live in a college town after all. And I'm a ginger, so I have that going for me.
I was a bartender for several years professionally at a bar I owned. Bartending school is a waste of time, the reality of bartending is that 99% of your customers will want dead simple drinks and the hardest part of the job is being likable(because that's what gets you the best tips in terms of being legit). Infact I've only ever gotten requests for difficult drinks at weddings or doing catering(which is fun...I practiced a lot to make a perfect black velvet..)
Bartending (as a bartender and not an owner) is also only good money if you're crooked. The game is always that as a bartender you basically give away, overpour, etc customers you know will give you a good tip for that privilege, which is essentially stealing from your employer in exchange for extra tip money. Conundrum is you can get away with this for a long time, but your employer knows(trust me they know), and it limits your future earnings.
To be a bartender at the kinda place where you can legitimately make $100-$200/h on tips you gotta have a track record of a lot of work experience and honesty(which conversely means making shit money to build up that rep over years) *and* be lucky enough to know the right people at the right bars.
That said, bartending is a shitty job for most people, because whether you like it or not you need a tremendous amount of empathy for people who are frankly disgusting human beings, because you will be acting as their psychologist.
Last edited by Celestein; 05-06-2015 at 05:56 PM.
You ever notice how you'll see the same bartender at your favorite bars time-after-time year-after-year? The spots where you can actually make some decent cash in tips generally don't turn over that often and when they do there is often someone in-house already in-line for the position. Same thing with wait staff positions, it is actually not easy to get a position (especially w/o experience) at the desirable locations because they are coveted jobs and there is surprisingly low turnover. I mean, you could probably get a spot at a Denny's or something but you might as well take a minimum-wage dishwashing job rather than dealing with the shittyness of that job unless you are trying to get job experience.
pro tip bro, bartending is a lot more then just making dirnks and small talk.
Just panhandle at your local stoplight "Need Additional mortgage principal payment to avoid interest, god bless"
Part time bartending sounds like it would be sorta horrible. Even if the money was ok, and even if you could get on somewhere decent, you'd probably be like the one guy in the place with any sort of work ethic. Or maybe one of the two or three.
Yeah, it's really bad on average. Granted you can alleviate a LOT of this with strong auditing and some kind of pouring system. Downside is said pour limiting and audit systems often cost 50-100k, which is itself a conundrum, cause if your place is upscale enough to afford such a system then you can afford honest bartenders or your margin is so high you don't have to care(at which point the over-pouring can actually become a customer loyalty program more than theft...presuming the management/owner endorses it, which they sometimes do). So these products actually have kind of a bad market fit for how expensive they are.
The good news is that you can build such a system for roughly 4k if you have some basic knowledge of chemistry and experience(or willingness to learn) in mechanical and computer engineering.
Hindsight being 20/20 I probably would have made a better business out of trying to sell inexpensive drink auditing systems.
Khane I would buy a bar, name it Jeers and hire Brendan Frasier to be a frequent visitor. I'm pretty sure the rest will take care of itself.
If you really want to try bartending, try checking in with some catering companies. You may have to have some experience beforehand, but I'm sure you can get around that. I did catering for 5 years when I lived in the DC area and bartended tons of events such as conventions, weddings, small house parties and such.
the fact that you made this thread to ask this question proves that you don't have the social acumen to be a bartender at anywhere other than other than a TGI Fridays. any bar worth working at is going to hire bartenders who have the ability to drive up business -- not some lonely anti-social slob who spent a grand to learn how to make a rum and coke.
What's wrong with Fridays?
Any place that hires you without any experience is going to be awful. Either terrible management or fucking deadsville where you will make no money.
I bartended for 4 years, I started as a bouncer in an Irish Pub. Started by picking up a few bartending shifts when the native irish peeps went to ireland for the holidays. After that a guy who hung out there got me a job at another place (high volume, nightclub). At it's best I made 300 bucks a shift on Friday and Saturday, was a pretty permissive environment so you could drink as long as you handled your shit. Those things, plus bartending being the nuclear option for dating made for some outrageous nights. Long story short, make friends with other bartenders, if you hang out at small places, get to know the owner and then ask for a crappy shift so you can show them you can handle it. Bartending doesn't require much skill, it requires hustle, being able to deal with large numbers of drunk-ish people and most importantly don't lose money. 80% of people drink beer, wine or two drink cocktails. You'll memorize everything else after you've made it twice.
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