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Hey everyone, just moved to the PNW from the east coast. I wanted to start this thread so we all could have a place to share some the the better hiking, biking or other adventures. Here is my most recent hike atop Mt. Defiance near Seattle, WA.
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I would definitely carry a pistol if youre doing any back country hiking. Not too long ago a guy was killed by a bear while walking along a trail, in New Jersey. The most densely populated state in the country.
We're going camping/hiking near the Bear Tooth pass in Montana this summer, and I am really looking forward to it. We're not pushing too hard, I think the plan is something like a 19 mile loop over 4 days.
That's the second best kind of camping. The best is doing similar trips, but in canoes.
I've spent the last couple summers in Montana on Flathead Lake. I really got into back country hiking while I was up there and spent a ton of time hiking around Glacier. Had numerous black bear encounters and always carried bear mace but never needed it. I'll be back in Idaho this summer on the Salmon River and would really like to push myself and bag some more peaks so suggestions are always welcome. I did have a close encounter with some mountain goats on Aeneas Peak in the Jewel Basin up in Montana, it was pretty intense once the momma goat looked right at me and started to come my way while I was standing on the peak with nowhere to go. I found a stunted little white pine tree to stand behind and she eventually wandered off.
The thing I want to do most is a couple weeks in the Bob Marshall Wilderness; set up a decent bush camp and hike and fish all over it.
I did a 3 day, 3 night float down the North Fork of the Flathead that started at the Canadian border and ran 47 miles on the western border of Glacier. Good times. It gets pretty hairy in a couple spots but only had one girl in a Wal Mart kayak dump it.
I live outside of Seattle if anyone wants to do anything. I'm down for day stuff on the weekends or longer trips anytime. Olympic NP is awesome, I've been all over inside of there. I don't get up to the cascades much, mostly because I'm lazy with the drive.
The one thing I hate about the NW, coming from NH, is the NW has a lot state forest/wilderness, such as Goat Rock Wilderness. The problem though is that there are forestry roads everywhere, something you don't see much in the NE until you get into northern Maine with all the logging. My beef isn't with the roads themselves, but that on more than 1 hike I've encountered some bum/ex-military dude living in the fucking woods out off one of the less traveled trails. No beef with people down on their luck but because they live there they get comfortable have trash/feces all over the fucking place. I remember I did one hike up to some mountain lake in Goat Rock(hence the sour taste I have of that location now), I reach the top, lake is beautiful, decide to plop down and have a lunch with my pooch....what's that smell? Explore a bit and find what looks like a 99% squatter camp setup. Yep...time to leave. Anyway, maybe that goes in the first world problem thread. It's just a small beef with the NW national forests(not parks).
As far as animals, guns, and protection. Let's face it, anytime you go out into the wild like this you are at risk. More common than animal deaths are rockfall, people fall, etc. Nothing is 100% safe. If I am in grizzly area I will always carry bear spray, sometimes a gun depending but honestly your chances of survival depend FAR more on being alert and avoiding situations more than last minute defense, which both are. I've never had to pull either thankfully, but I've heard mixed reports on which is more effective anyway. Spray seems to be the better choice if the bear is near you but not actually attacking, and a gun if it's on your face. The more time you spend outdoors the more alert you are to your surroundings and signs of danger. Also helps if you don't hike to the point that you may pass out.
Iceberg lake is beautiful if you have a long weekend, drive to Glacier NP. Actually anything in Glacier is beautiful. (that's my friend not me)
I've done dozens of hikes in National Forests in the northern Rockies and never once encountered any stinky bums trashing up the place. Maybe it's just being too close to Seattle?
I guess it's just that NW attitude.
Need to find a group to do a R2R or R2R2R in Grand Canyon in 1-2 days. x_x I know we gotta have some people here who've done it. =P
I've actually never been to the grand canyon at all, but I'm down! Methinks it's Rerolled Hiking Guild time!!!
Probably some of the most fun hiking I've done is in Southern Utah in the two parks Canyonlands and Arches. Totally different from something like Glacier or Yellowstone, but just amazing. I found it more stunning than the Grand Canyon, to be honest, and totally empty. Not as well known, and very few people around (which is a bonus, in my estimation). I found it hilarious that every time we did a loop, we'd hitch-hike back to the car, and every time it would be European tourists that would pick us up, never Americans. Americans fear hitch-hikers, I guess.
This year it will be Montana hiking for us, and, as always, we'll spend a couple weeks up in the northern peninsula in Michigan. I love that part of the country. Lots of canoeing, hiking, and jumping down unreasonably big dunes.
I am hoping to do Many Glacier Loop either this summer or next, depending on time. Since there are some Glacier experienced hikers here, any feedback on my gearlist would be appreciated. I am thinking late July/August:
Glacier National Park: Many Glacier Loop | Backpacking in Montana
The fact you made that gear list with weights already proves you are a step ahead and at least conscientious about what you are bringing and your skill level. But here is my two cents anyway:
-You put down "quilt", do you mean sleeping bag? I looked up the item you had listed, and it's solid so I'm guessing this is just a "lighterpack.com" thing, I've never used that site.
-Tent is probably fine for the summer, it will still drop to zero(ish) though depending on where you are. So you know how hot/cold you sleep better than us.
-This is a shameless plug because I feel it's the best addition I've made to my kit since I started, but I recommend the Platypus filtration bag(Platypus 2.0L Pump-Free Water Filter System
). It is heavier than what you have by about 5oz, but in my opinion it's worth it. No pumping or anything and it can move a decent volume of water in almost no time. Honestly though, you don't need to filter up in glacier unless you are drinking from some stagnant pond you just watched a bear shit in.
Out of curiosity, I see you have a battery pack and folding saw. What are you powering? Camera or ipad or something? And this is not me making fun of it, genuinely curious. The only electronics I bring when I'm outdoors is the headlamp and some extra batteries. And the saw? You plan on making some bigger campfires? Only certain backcountry sites allow fires. I go back and forth on this one myself. Having a little fire certainly adds a ton of character to relaxing after a good hike, but I find that I am not often sawing wood and generally I just pick up whatever scrap I can find on the ground.
You are super lightweight though capping in around 10lbs. That's impressive. The site didn't say how many days, but at 55 miles I'd expect 3-5 depending on how you want to move, that sound about right? Figure 1.5lbs of food per day you should still be well under 20lbs. The same trip for me would be like 30-35lbs so that's badass. I'm not a super heavy-weight guy but I've backed off the insanely light-weight and try to find a middle ground because I've grown accustomed to having certain things on me. Mainly my tent choices are much heavier than you, adding like 6lbs right there. Plus my pack is about 8-9lbs completely empty. But I'm addicted to it and love the way it carries heavy weight which I do often as a winter camper and mountaineer. I'm also a snob and will carry extra socks/underwear/ maybe a shirt. I like to soak and wash one pair at night and swap the other, switching every day or two, but that's a development comfort
I would actually update that first aid kit, as well. You have absolutely no antiseptic which will lead to infection and (god forbid) toxic shock syndrome with bandages. I would also add a couple of fast heat packs. Most importantly which shocked me that you didn't have is NO MYLAR!! What the heck man. :-) Otherwise, it's a fantastic list and I'll definitely use it for my hiking gear.
I highly recommend reading this book, I know you are not mountaineering, but the chapter on field-first aid kits is amazing and pretty much what I swear by: https://play.google.com/store/books/...Q&gclsrc=aw.ds
He's amazing at actually talking about what really matters and not just spouting that "safety first and always" crap. Can't recommend this read enough. It's a fantastic combination of fact, physics, opinion, and experience.
Saw - I forgot to remove that from the list. I pack it around here (northern idaho) but would not carry it in Glacier. It is just for fires
Battery - For my phone. Phone serves as primary GPS/Maps/Camera/audio player
FAK - Not everything is listed, but I do have alcohol wipes in there too (as well as the bottle of alcohol gel).
Quilt - Its a sleeping bag without the bottom. Its all the rage these days, and has kept me comfortable to about 20.
Mylar - What would I use this for?
Heat packs - Good thinking, I would throw some in if the forecast called for chilly
FAK's always cause some chaos on backpacking forums. I am of the belief, especially on a busy, well established trail, that what I carry is sufficient to handle anything short of calling SAR or Lifeflight.
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Mylar is super light and helps keep you warm. Plus, I think it's waterproof (I believe?); very handy if you ever go into shock.
Water - Has anyone hiked around these areas at around August? How is water? Around here I never carry more than 1L of water, but maybe I should swap out one of my 1L with a 2L for 3L total capacity?
Temps - 0 degrees in August? Or are we talking that crazy Celsius crap? I will need a warmer quilt if it hits 0f
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I would say water depends on the location/trail. I didn't really research your loop other than a quick glance, but in general the park has plenty of water sources. I carry 2L because I drink like a fucking moose(or whatever drinks a lot) and then just fill it up as I go and again at night. I was there in Sept. last year and there was plenty of water all over.
Just this morning I woke up and thought to myself "Fuck it, I'm getting into hiking/camping" and then I run into this great new thread. Any advice for a beginner, or some online resources any of you may like are welcome.
Good shoes, insect repellant, and tweezers. =P Don't want lyme disease, do ya?
If you do not have friends my best recommendation would be to join the group for your area. So many people are looking for similar minded friends. Some quick ones:
-REI: they have classes(mostly lame BUT some are ok and they are a great way to meet people). They also do group trips and stuff that are not classes but help get people together.
-Look for the hiking forum/group in your area of the country/world. For instance new england has the Appalachian club, think the NW has a few different ones...I never joined anything in the NW because I was already well into it and I do mostly solo with my dog, but he passed so now I'm starting to look for friends again.
-Don't buy more than you need or better than you need off the bat. It's so easy to view it all like toys and drop like 5,000$ day one on awesome gear. Don't. Start with a simple day pack, no sleeping gear at all such as a bag or tent. Do some day hikes with that. If you are still enjoying it look into a sleeping bag and tent that is good enough for your area. Don't buy something bombshell for that dream hike you are constantly thinking of, buy that stuff WHEN you go...or rent it if you think you'll only go once.
Get hiking poles, there are some cool scientific type books out there but it can increase stamina and longevity by 15-20% plus they come in handy for other things like poking your buddy in the ass when you are hiking behind him.
Also get a decent pair of shoes/boots. What kind you get should depend on your comfort level and the area you'll be hiking the most. Obviously in the NW you want something pretty waterproof. Not so much if you live in Utah. Please for the love of god wear them on a bunch of 1-2 hour walks or something a few times a week before you actually go somewhere. Don't be the guy wearing brand new boots with blisters all over your feet.
The only thing I recommend spending some money on is a backpack. I suppose for a day pack holding water, first aid, maybe a lunch and sweater you can use almost any pack. But when you are doing a 7+ day hike carrying all your own shit you'll want something that feels comfortable, carries weight well in the right places, and is rugged.
I always prep for tons of switchbacks up and down by putting weights in my backpack. Don't go balls out right from the start, though. Last thing you need is joint pain. ;o
I'm jelly of ya'llz mountain adventures.
For those just starting out - it still takes me more than a full day to become acclimated to elevation - I feel like shit for the first day. Literally have the shits, similar to mild flu symptoms. After that, totally fine. I used to think it was the nuts in the trail mix to which I was responding, but I have proved that to be false. Some people simply require the adjustment time.
General rule of thumb, hike high sleep low. So if you are doing a multi-day hike in altitude, camp somewhere lower, next day hike up the the summit, then back down and camp down again.
I've always wanted to get into photography, but I suck at it and don't feel like lugging all that crap around. Plus because I'm so bad I end up with pictures of mountains and fields that offer no perspective or terrible color composition. I've downgraded myself to some gopro pics from the peaks, occasional scenery or a shameless selfie. I had to gopro anyway so why not. I did try setting it to take a photo every 30 seconds one time to get a timelapse ridge hike, but the battery is ass and simply not meant for multi-day use. If I were with a bunch of people I'd consider getting one of those solar panels that tie to a backpack so I could leave gopro on all day in some form. Would be cool to have some neat memories if someone was willing to shift through the hours of shit for some good moments.
Living and Personal. Been shooting a bunch of commercial or event stuff lately, but I really like doing landscape stuff on my free time, probably because I like the whole experience of the trek and the adventure feel to it. That's one of the reasons I want to get into hiking, so hopefully I can transition into that and be done with corporate stuff.
This is from a 15 day semi-unplanned trek through Iceland. Obviously there wasn't much hiking on this one, but it's probably the best trip I've ever done. Now I want more.
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I love Glacier so much though, you're gonna love it!
If you are going with a group, you can shave ounces by getting a larger tent and splitting the load. Also, some of the people I go with swear by the hammock tents (like Hennessy).
Don't short your first aid kit, or the amount of cord you carry. I like to have 100' or more of 550 para cord.
Hiking poles are OK, but I prefer a single long (6 foot) bamboo pole. The extra length gives it more utility at the expense of some of the fatigue reduction than two poles with hand straps do.
6' bamboo pole is going to be some serious weight over a carbon trekking pole! That said, I have a really nice pair of high-end Leki carbon poles. They have been taking with me to Nepal and New Zealand and probably have a few miles use, tops. I have simply never found the need to use them outside of really wet / slick conditions. They probably won't be packed again any time soon.
I bought a really nice Warbonnet hammock XLC, but it just wasnt for me. Fiddled and got all the angles just right, but it hurt my knees (but I am 6'4"). Next purchase is a ZPacks duplex tent
I do find them comfortable though
I think that backpackers get way too carried away with the ultra lightweight stuff. Maybe it's because I'm a big dude but I have no problem carrying 50 pound pack if you're only going 6 or 8 miles a day. IMO the extra comfort in camp is well worth the extra weight. If you're trying to hike 15 miles a day I could see it but I think a lot of people are going light just so they can brag about how light their pack is.
Everything is a trade off. Gram weenies just weight less weight more than comfort. Some stuff like cooking stuff I go really light, I prefer to carry a tent over a hammock.
Unless we're canoe camping. Then the longest hike is a couple kilometers at a time. It's with a canoe on your head, but it is totally manageable.
I agree on the lightweight thing too. Plus it's seasonal dependent. Tons of the ultra-light people I know carry a bivvy or one of the "tarp tents", where it's literally a tarp that you can setup in a lean-to with hiking poles or whatever. That's awesome for them and to each their own, but I'll carry one of my tents that weighs between 4-9lbs(depending on which I take). It's worth to me because, as mentioned above, I value that comfort on my multi-day trips.
However there is a point where weight matters and it's a bit different for anyone. Physical fitness comes into play as well, but body capabilities being equal, the dude with 15lbs on his back can probably go farther and move quicker than the dude with 40. Especially uphill. It really just depends on where you are going, how long, environment, etc.
I care about pack weight, but I will never be an ultra-lighter.
I hate sleeping in hammocks. You are really limited in how you can sleep - stomach sleepers are outta luck, it's tough for side sleepers (like me), so it's on your back or discomfort. Plus, I find that my back hurts like heck after just a single night's sleep in one. Imagine doing a tough hike, sleeping in a damned hammock in a position you don't find comfortable, and then getting back on the trail.
Additionally, if where you are going is cold, hammocks suck the balls of goats. Cold from above, from the sides, and also from under you, too? One of the good things of sleeping on the ground/camping pad is that it starts to retain some of your heat below you fairly quickly, and then you are benefiting from warmth that is entirely absent in a hammock.
Maybe some people love them. They aren't for me.
Aside from what you mentioned above, I also have an issue with ending up getting motion sickness from sleeping in a hammock. I don't think I have hardcore motion sickness issues either, generally with moving things (boats, roller coasters, hammocks, car rides, etc.) I am fine as long as I can see how I'm moving, but the second I fall asleep in something like a hammock for example, I wake up nauseous. Sleeping in the car is generally okay for me, on a boat, not so much.
Hammocks are really expensive to try, because you will always wonder if it will work for you until you have everything. Yes, you can try it with a cheap hammock, and use a cheap foam pad for bottom insulation, but it really isnt the same as a nice hammock, with top and under quilts. All said, you can easily be into it for >$600, and still hate it like I did.
Went to Yosemite two weeks ago and immediately had a desire to hike Half Dome. Anyone here do it? What to expect? How much water did you bring, etc? Looking to either do it this summer (if I can get a permit...) or next summer after cables open.
Unfortunately, I don't think I am ready to do the hike with the amount of preparation I have in less than 20 days, haha. It'd have to be in the summer after my bike tour through Italy.
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