Total War: Warhammer Leaked Ahead of Announcement - GameSpot
Deja vu all over again.
Before Total War there was a eerily similar series in the old days called the 5 star series, I believe. They had panzer general, allied general, and the spectacular Fantasy General as big hits very similar to Rome, shogun, and Medievel. This reeks of Star General. It was a great idea on paper but it was shoddily developed and completely bombed taking the whole series with it.
I hated Rome 2 and Panzer General 2, but still bought Star General on day 1. I know I'll do the same with WH. I hope this time it goes better.
Edit: by eerily similar I mean they are both the dominate turn based wargame of their eras and rather than branch out they both began releasing sequels that didn't live up to the originals before taking big risks with IPs out of left field.
Last edited by Jait; 02-16-2015 at 02:54 AM.
Jait, I think you confuse the games. Total War is not a turnbased series. The "General" series from SSI was however.
That being said, the previous real-time strategy games like Shadow of the Horned rat was pretty good as I remember it. If we get a Total War version with large parts of the old world to fight over it could be exceptional.
And they've officially announced it.
No gameplay yet, but the trailer's pretty cool.
So as I understand it, the game is launching with Empire, Dwarves, Greenskins, and Vampire Counts (and maybe Chaos?), and according to IGN they're planning to do two more stand-alone releases afterwards, which I guess will bring in all/most of the remaining armies.
I do not understand Games Workshop at all. I figured it was abundantly clear by now that no one cares about fantasy Warhammer, and the only 40k stuff they license are shitty ios games and chess clones? Where the fuck is another Space Marine game, or Dawn of War? So much wasted awesome.
Regardless of how "OG" their fantasy stuff is, it's just less unique and awesome than their 40k universe and it's annoying as shit that they aren't just licensing out 40k to anyone and everyone so we get some new decent games. I even thought DoW2 was a downgrade from 1 but at least it was ok, and Space Marine was reasonably entertaining. But it's been years now and nothing decent on the horizon!
Hopefully that cinematic doesn't do it justice. CA's cinematics always let their games down for some reason.
I lurrrv Tzeentch but that wasn't even the best presentation of WH Fantasy's bleak baroque despair... it kinda veers closer to AOR's failed brighter ("painterly" lol) art direction.
The old Mark of Chaos cinematic still does the best job of presenting the WH Fantasy setting in 3 minutes than anything I've seen in the years since it came out.
Still love the DOW 1 vanilla intro cinematic. I think that also did a great feel for the chaotic large scale nature of 40k. (VS Dow2 which was like squadplay lol....)
If they have the dwarf army in the game at relese, Im in. Fuck your mages/demons/witches/liches, we have runes and we are not afraid to use them!
(Oh and Skaven for expansion 1 plix, for the lulz when your entire army suddenly retreats because some rat over there died).
they never made a necromunda game. I would rape your mother for a necromunda game.
No one made one however they did sell the rights to it at one point. I believe they recently sold the rights to it again so who knows.
Basically that is why they go after websites where people are publishing old rules or home rules/games for their games. The IP is worth less if someone else is giving it away.
Right after they killed all the lore and armies lol lol
So they've been doing these in-game diaries for a bit but I suppose noone followed it?
Or maybe it's because they're focusing on stuff most players will be auto-resolving through after a few hours instead of showing the campaign game.
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Please let it be that cool. God damnit I dont ask for much. Let this be awesome.
There's a lot of technical issues, but at the same time it's zoomed in gameplay of a tactical game that you'll play most of the time zoomed the fuck out, so not too much of an issue, as long as they add some alternate animations for stuff. Looked pretty good though.
Interesting choice of races too, specifically the lack of elves considering they tend to be pretty iconic when it comes to fantasy. Don't care since elves are gay, but going undead over them is interesting. Empire/Orc/Chaos/Dwarves make sense. Skaven would have been great as they're probably the one thing that sets normal Warhammer apart from 40k positively. Maybe for the expansion.
Maybe they could get the license for 40k if this sells decently. This one seems to have a fair focus on large units and stuff that other Total War didn't have(since the others are more realistic and other than war elephants and artillery, there's just not much in real life) so the transition to 40k stuff like the Baneblade, Carnifexes, Deff Dreads and so on would be more natural.
Yeah cant believe they dont have elves or chaos, heres hoping for an expansion.
From the wiki:
"The valiant Karl Franz marshals the men of the Empire, seeking to unite the fractured elector counts under a banner of strength against their common enemies.
Hungry for the vicious brutality of combat, the Greenskins flock to the tribe of Grimgor Ironhide; Orcs and Goblins alike filled with an insatiable thirst for carnage.
High King Thorgrim orders the stoic Dwarfs forth from their mountain strongholds, marching to vengefully right the grave injustices dealt to them over the millennia.
Yet the motives of the Vampire Counts under Mannfred von Carstein are shrouded in murderous secrecy, his armies raised from the rotting ranks of the dead.
And while the Old World becomes torn by betrayal, war and the unleashing of unfathomable power, a greater threat still whispers in the winds from the north. The fabric of reality itself begins to rend and buckle… "
You'll play a few of those tactical games then autoresolve them for the remaining 100+ hours of time in the campaign. They keep doing this shit, show the fucking campaign gameplay.
That video does look pretty good, hopefully the campaign gameplay comes out as well as the combat looks. I just want more Warhammer games, there's some smaller stuff floating around, but I want more high profile titles like this.
If you've played a modern Total War game, I'm pretty sure you'll know what to expect. For those saying auto resolve, I get you to a point. But the entire thing that sets Total War games apart from say Civ, is that the actual battle combat is way more in depth and has thousands of units of the field. If you crank up the difficulty, auto resolve is pretty shit most of the time. To me, that basically looked like Fantasy Total War, which is quite rad in my opinion.
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I hope they get multiplayer right.
I haven't played multiplayer TW since Shogun2 slapped on a metagame track to the mp tactical gae. I'm sure the tactical game will appeal to WFB fans, but most TW folks play for the 4x game. Rome2's strategy game changes were great too. Hopefully they roll those into this game.
THE Battle of Black Fire Pass predates the Empire itself. There were no Gryphon mounts, there were no steam tanks, and there was no 'FOR SIGMAR', because Sigmar was there on the battlefield leading the armies of men. The battle would have been lost and the race of men wiped from the earth (maybe not the Brettonii as they had already departed the area that became the Empire) if not for Sigmar's feats on the battlefield. It was after this battle that the kings (and queen) of the other tribes of men hailed him as Emperor, and King Kurgan Ironbeard commissioned Alaric the Mad to forge what would become the 12 Runefangs of the Elector Counts.
My dick is so harder than calculus for this. Just started playing Medieval TW. Never had played a TW game prior, watching my knights flank and charge into bowman is so damn satisfying.
Medieval1? Rome2 is probably my new favorite and it's a more legit successor of Medieval1 than any of the napoleonic ones (or even shogun2).
I noticed a new game play with the dwarves which was kinda cool. One thing I picked up on was the ability to find hero usable items in the overworld map that can be used during combat (a regen potion in this case).
Please don't fuck this up, please don't fuck this up.
I'm not a big fan of strategy games usually but the warhammer angle really is pretty interesting to me. No chaos is a bit annoying but looking forward to undead. And I assume Chaos will be the first expansion or whatever. I'd like Skavens too but I don't think they'd make it unless they release a bunch, elves and chaos would probably be the 2 expansions and then they'd start working on another game.
Honestly I think we are almost guaranteed Skaven with underground battles being included in the base game, it would seem that Skaven would be first up on deck.
I haven't played any of the Total War games but every new video I see of this makes me want it more and more.
This will be awesome. But I do want me some Dark Elves someday!
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4/28/2016 release date, hype. Chaos Warrior dlc with pre-order (day 1 dlc not so hype but that's pretty much standard for games these days anyways).
We have come a long way from Shadow of the Horned Rat
Video of Chaos that came with the announcement:
Release date is pretty far though. Also Chaos is like, limited Chaos. Only seems to be the Chaos Warriors without any daemon stuff. Kinda makes it meh to me as my favorite part of Chaos was always all the daemons shit, especially stuff like Blue/pink horrors of Tzeentch, Floating Disk for your casters, Khorne Juggernaut and Bloodbeasts and shit like that. Guess that'll come later.
Eh, 6 months isn't too far out as long as they don't end up having to push it back. Gives me 6 months to become decent/good at Total War games (ended up buying Attila yesterday).
fuck them holding chaos back as a preorder bonus. and fuck paying extra for a finished game.
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I disagree with this notion somewhat. Shogun 2 was pretty good and the expansions were an even more simplified game. I'll agree that it took Emperor Edition of Rome 2 to make up for a lot of it's faults (especially with the community curating they did with seasonal events). This though I feel is more of the result of Sega than anything. The major franchises they own are riddled with DLC/P2W (I'm lookin at you CoH2/Football Manager), but what do you expect of a corporation that went bankrupt and turns around and starts buying bankrupt property studios/projects?
But yeah...the nickel and diming is ridiculous. I never understood why anyone ever thought things like a blood dlc for 2.99 was a good idea. Creative Assembly/Sega is why I question things like Battletech's lackluster Kickstarter.
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Dear god the campaign map looks incredible.
New video showing the world map and stuff:
Is it too much to hope that this will bring back a game like M2:TW? I want diversification among faction/countries/whatever again.
Eh I don't know, I don't think it's gonna have all the various options the tabletop game has, especially since it doesn't look like your armies are limited by points and stuff but by more traditional ressources so you can stack a lot of the stronger units without losing too much. Maybe the research stuff will be advanced enough that there will be different paths available(like increase your orcs or increase your goblins or increase your casters+siege+beasts or whatever, so you'll have different focus depending on your research).
Still looks great though, definitely looking forward to playing the game. I do wish they'd show Vampire counts though, even if they weren't very popular in the tabletop, when I was a kid and I was into warhammer stuff(mostly buying the army books and reading all the lore shit in them), the Undead armies were my 2nd favorite stuff, after Chaos. Then I discovered Tyranids and forgot all about Warhammer, but still.
In either case, I think if anyone is hoping for the table top depth/variety in this they're going to be sorely disappointed without massive DLC investment or modding.
This is going to actually be ready by April 28?
Nvm: end of last vid says May 24 that makes more sense. They had me at siege towers. Campaign system looks fun.
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They hit a homerun with this game. Looks fucking amazing
It's missing elves(wood/high/dark), skaven, actual chaos demons and lizardmen too. And those will be added as DLC later. What's one more or less race? And you can get it for "free" if you buy the game at launch. If you don't buy the game at launch, you'll buy the game when the price is reduced so it being a DLC won't have an actual impact. Don't really get the complaint. If you're scared that you buy this at launch but it's unplayable for a few weeks, preorder, then don't play it more than 2hours. If it's shit and they don't fix it quickly enough, refund. If it's good or they fix their shit quick, you have the race already.
It's called not rewarding shitty business practices. Kind of like why I don't buy GW anymore despite having hundreds of times more disposable income than when I was fourteen.
I am going into this fully aware that I am going to get double raped by the Sega + Games Workshop dlc combo.... and I am completely OK with that. Bretonnia will most likely be first game paid dlc (seeing as they are in the game mostly finished already).
Game 2 predictions is Skaven, Wood Elves, Khemri, and Ogres.
Games 3 finishes with High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Chaos Daemons.
It looks like they're actually going to just be giving away the Bretonnians for free. Granted, they haven't specifically said it's the Brets yet, but they have said there will be a faction given away as free DLC, and the list of other potential candidates is essentially zero, so I'm feeling comfortable calling it now.
You're defending two major businesses that can afford to put out quality games - but they rarely do. Why? Because it makes more sense to rush a product and charge for it piecemeal. Or simply saturate the market because people will buy it regardless. This is why the AAA gaming industry gets shadier every year and the list of good dev studios gets shorter.
And I'm not defending them, I just feel that in this case, the practice isn't that bad. Yes it'd be better if everything was free, but I'll take the lesser evil any day. I don't feel it's a big deal, and definitely doesn't look like a "I'm not buying this shit ever" kind of issue to me. Different strokes and shit.
And mind you, I rarely if ever buy DLC, for like anything. That's why in this case, to me, it's fine, because the DLC is free, so I don't have to buy it, so I don't care.
Name one Total War game that released with as many playable factions. Oh You cant. This is their business model. And it works. And they make consistently quality games. This one looks like the greatest Total War game yet.
I have no problem paying 60 bucks for a great game that has 4 fully playable campaigns each one with 300+ turns and a top notch AI that makes each game turn out differently.
Whining because you aren't getting more free stuff? FFS, Email Bernie, maybe he will thrown it in his next speech.
The whole Total War franchise is one of the greatest ever in computer games.
I haven't been this excited for a game in a long while, can't wait for May 24th. Just picked up a GTX 970 for this.
Total War: WARHAMMER Future Content Blog - Total War Wiki
Its not confirmed but Bretonnia will most likely be FLC sometime after the game releases. As for another DLC race for the first game I'm thinking either Wood Elves or Skaven.
Last edited by Strifen; 04-13-2016 at 02:08 AM.
Rome 2 has more playable factions but so many of them are just copies of each-other with some slight tweaks and different skins. Every faction in warhammer will be totally unique and play differently with their own unique lords/units/spells/items and quests. Will have different campaign mechanics as well. For example just one little thing about playing Vamps is that after you fight a battle a marker will show on the campaign map and you'll be able to raise different units from the corpses. Depending on how many casualties were in the battle you'll be able to recruit elite units.
Warhammer has monstrous units (giants, trolls, arachnarok spider, crypt horrors, demigryph knights) to name a few, as well as a whole bunch of different flying units. You wont find anything as dynamic as that in any historical total war game.
Last edited by Strifen; 04-13-2016 at 06:07 AM.
With the way they have laid out their plans for dlc/free dlc they are either going to have an uneven distribution of factions per game or they will start dipping into splinter factions to even out the numbers since your list doesn't include major factions like Beastmen or sub factions like Kislev.
In any case, people going to get cucked for their favorite faction to be left till game 3 and it's going to suck.
My predictions for Game 1 DLC - Wood Elves, Bretonnia, Beastmen
WTB Skaven army.
Well considering they literally deleted Athel Loren and Skaven blight from the map (they are there but you cannot go in either area) they are definitely not showing up game 1. They also stated that they aren't doing factions that don't exist in 8th edition (as playable), which tosses out mini factions like Kislev.
Also first FLC race confirmed as end of 2016, doesn't mean we won't get a second DLC race after Chaos Warriors though.
Total War: WARHAMMER - Gameplay Stream - YouTube
Game 2 they will be figuring out how to stitch the trilogy together from a technical standpoint and there's two ways any sane person would do that.
A. Either they expand the Old World map east and south to get factions like Tomb Kings and Ogres out of the way while throwing in some of the factions that are essentially everywhere like Beastmen or Skaven as filler.
B. They go straight west over the water and add in High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and whoever they haven't yet.
My guess is A then B because the map geometry. Base game map is a square more or less and option A turns that into a big rectangle and B would finish it off as a huge rectangle. If they do B first the map will end up like a sideways L with a big empty space in the southeast corner which I don't think they have ever done in a TW game.
Of course they could just go and make me look like a fool and do an Empire TW style map where you flip through the parts of the world.
I pretty much agree with south and east for game two, then they will go with Empire style to switch between two maps for New World and Old World. I also think they are going to put Ulthuan right off of the coast of the new world to compress the map, kind of like how they smashed Brettonia down.
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