Add an updated drivers / team list to the first post!
Let's start up the 2015 Formula 1 thread.
There are only 38 days 3 hours and 2 minutes until FP1 in Melbourne!
Remembering where we left off:
1 Mercedes 701
2 Red Bull 405
3 Williams 320
4 Ferrari 216
5 McLaren 181
6 Force India 155
7 Toro Rosso 30
8 Lotus 10
9 Marussia 2
10 Sauber 0
11 Caterham 0
As of today's testing in Jerez (or Hereth), some interesting results:
Also, Maldonado spread Pastor-sauce all over himself and red flagged the session earlier. So things really are on track.
Looking forward to a great season with lots of driver changes, teams missing or late to start, and no more hideous noses.
Last edited by drmandolin; 02-02-2015 at 10:37 PM. Reason: sp
Here's a current driver/team list. It should be pretty accurate...
44. Lewis Hamilton
6. Nico Rosberg
3. Daniel Ricciardo
26. Daniil Kvyat
19. Felipe Massa
77. Valtteri Bottas
5. Sebastian Vettel
7. Kimi Raikkonen
14. Fernando Alonso
22. Jenson Button
27. Nico Hulkenberg
11. Sergio Perez
33. Max Verstappen
55. Carlos Sainz Jnr
8. Romain Grosjean
13. Pastor Maldonado
9. Marcus Ericsson
12. Felipe Nasr
Caterham is of course, bust. Marussia may be back as Manor. Forza Rossa and Haas won't debut until at least 2016.
And, looks like no Force India at all in Jerez. Not a good sign.
Looks like almost everyone has huge air channeling into the skinny back ends. Ted's day 4 notebook has lots of tasty pictures. With all the shrinking there's bound to be heat problems later in the year.
Not a fan of the nubbinsy noses, but at least some of them look good. Has been awesome to have stuff to watch everyday. 2 more weeks till Barcelona testing.
just based on the first test, Ferrari is gonna be in the mix this year, which is good
The lap count is the big thing from Jerez:
1. Mercedes, 516 laps - 2,284km
2. Sauber (Ferrari), 382 laps - 1,691km
3. Toro Rosso (Renault), 353 laps - 1,563km
4. Ferrari, 349 laps - 1,545km
5. Williams (Mercedes), 278 laps - 1,230km
6. Lotus (Mercedes), 190 laps - 841km
7. Red Bull (Renault), 166 laps - 735km
8. McLaren (Honda), 79 laps - 349km
The Red Bull and McLaren mileage is just terrible. I guess i have more confidence in Red Bull to make leaps and bounds, but I'm also thinking Vettel is feeling relieved.
Interesting too - Kimi's performance last year was the first time (I believe) Ferrari finished outside of the top 10 since 1981. Jesus...
Ok, so just hearing that the teams just voted down Marussia's (Manor) bid to return in Melbourne. Even though they found the funding, etc. I think this sucks, as all of the new 2010 teams are now gone.
It was just the other day that everything seemed on track for their sucessful return. And it would have been but for the final vote as to their late entry. Even that freak of hairstyles Mallya voted against them and he's supposed to be a supporter of the little guys.
BBC Sport - Marussia comeback blocked by Force India no voteThe team hope to race again under a new name after ceasing trading in October and missing 2014's last three races. But, with the new season starting in Australia next month, they do not have time to build a new car.
The request to use their old car required unanimous agreement from rival teams but Force India voted against. Force India's deputy team principal Bob Fernley said Marussia's application "lacked substance".
...Although sources say Force India were the only team to veto the plan in the meeting, a number of other teams were also against it.
Ok so crazy Alonso crash conspiracy theories go!
So far I've heard an ERS shock, fainting, one of the front brakes failing, and simple driver error + tailwind.
It seems like he has a case, just annoying as fuck the litigation wasn't started earlier though I assume he was giving time for them to come around. Don't think it will have too big an impact on the race as at worst it should only be an injunction on Sauber starting the race without him in the car, which won't affect any other team, but I can't see how it won't just come down to Sauber saying that he's not the best driver in their opinion and they gave the seats to the other two. As long as they pay him what they promised I don't see that a judge will force a team to run a driver they don't want to.
Van Der Garde demands Sauber honours deal, takes them to court
Van Der Garde actually won! And beat the appeal. I'm really surprised.
I'm also a bit mystified why the FIA's contract recognition board didn't jump all over this.
Sauber is so screwed now though. I wonder if Felipe and Markus have paid and how much. I hope this teaches teams not to pull this kind of crap in the future.
Wow! This sauber stuff is completely out of control. Cops are in the trackside garages getting ready to seize everything in the sauber garages, including the cars. And the sheriff bailiffs are waiting at the paddock gate to arrest monisha kaltenborn.
Both the seizure of goods and the potential arrest are still pending actions of course. But the manpower is there and ready to act immediately if/when given the word today by the courts.
Interestingly, monisha was seen by several people leaving the paddock a while ago in advance of their arrival. Someone should tell the cops, lol.
Crazy, I'm still waiting on FP1 to get posted. I saw a stream but my puny connection couldn't keep up with the bitrate.
Well at least both Sauber cars came out for FP2 for an appearance after being sequestered for FP1, while GVG walked around in one of Marcus E's racing suits.
After FP2 low fuel run, some interesting results.
Mercs superfast as expected and within a tenth of one another.
Ferraris much faster than expected, with Seb 7/10th off and Kimi another 4/10ths.
Williams next 4/10ths behind Kimi. Massa didn't run but assuming he'll post similar times.
Red Bull next, but only Kvyat's time a worrying 2.3 secs off the pace with Daniel's car still in pieces.
A Torro Rosso next, then both Lotus', and then a Force India in 10th (Hulk).
A smattering of the remaining teams follows, noting that Button was the only McLaren able to beat the teenager Max V. and then only by 8 thousandths, yikes, placing them over 3.6 secs back.
Neither Manor/Marussia car made it out of the garage.
Ricciardo has already gone through his first engine for the year. Not a good start and that just bolsters the frustration and suspicion of the Renault engines. Man, I am depending on him to put the fight to Lewis and Nico but its not going to happen with grid penalties if this keeps up.
Good lord only 11 cars finished the race!
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It really is too bad the Marussias were grounded because their pace this year should be on par with Button/Alonzo/Mag. Malaysia will be most intetesting!
So GVG gets 15 million Euros for standing up to the mess that is Monisha Kaltenborn. I wonder what Sutil has planned since he is certainly more of an asshole in general and you'd think he'd have been the one to go after her first.
Why the hell would they sign four contracts, looking each driver in the eyes shaking their hands energetically, knowing full well two of those guys were being blatantly lied to. It wasnt like they were tentative contracts. Talk about evil business dealings. The arrogance is astonishing, even for F1.
Germany off the calender for this year. Wow. No races from early July to the end of August now. Really astonishing considering such strong German showing over the ladt 5 years what with Vettel and Mercedes.
15 million wow. I wonder if he will actually get any of it.
I'm betting he goes to the back of a long list of creditors. If they were shifty enough to take money from 4 drivers I doubt they will ever pay up.
Alonso's press talk was enlightening. So much stuff about steering and sensors that nobody at McLaren even bothered to mention.
They really suck at talking to the public.
Poor Alonso must be shitting himself crosseyed right about now.
Someone in Hamilton's team clenched so hard when he came out of pit lane.
Math. Not even once.
Tickets secured for the fourth straight USGP (which is nowhere near as exciting thanks to the v6 change).
glorious Ferrari 1-2 inc. Suck it Niki Lauda
That was entertaining! Had a hard time getting it though, nobody posted the sky quali/race to usenet.
That story is fucked up, if true.
Niki Lauda sighting at the motogp race in brno. Wonder if they talked about the rumored bike test Lewis wants to do.
Poor Pirelli taking it in the balls again. I hate seeing these drivers demand tires that they can run out of spec for pressure and camber and direction, while withstanding kerbs and off track driving. Did Vettel complete a lap within the lines even once on Sunday?
Also, you'll notice Nigel Mansell had no risk of blowout from exceeding track limits at Spa. Those giant kerbs were a pretty good deterrant to keeping it within the lines!
The distortion under power on the rear tires is astonishing.
And once again, what the FUCK is going on with McLaren? My God. What a complete waste of money having Alonzo and Button in those cars. That Honda engine still sounds goddamned awful, they still don't have a title sponsor and their cred nosedives with each race.
Fernando must be torn between weighing the big bags of money against the complete humiliation and utter failure of his decision. Button's biggest fear today would be that one of those Mission Impossible cat burglars fiddled with more than his wife's ring finger while they were out cold.
My theory is that the honda power unit is amazing, made with giant robots piloted by high school girls.
However all of the instructions are in japanese, so the mclaren guys are accidentally using the lowest power setting.
I see Renault is almost done aquiring, or re-aquiring Lotus, which wasn't really Lotus of course. But regardless, the cars and equipment are outta the bailiff's hands and things look a LOT more stable for Grosjean and Co.
I guess that podium helped
Maybe they will boot pasta
So I guess the Lotus/Renault deal is still not done, only a couple days from Monza. Sad. Keeping my nuts crossed.
Also sad that Bernie said again that Monza can go away with no problems. He doesn't even care if the grandstands are empty - or removed - as long as the TV revenue keeps coming in. Hmm. Gay.
Unfortunately, there is no amount of Pastor sauce that will fix this. No matter how thick we spread it.
Jenson 4 laps FP2...
Fucking Honda are absolutely abysmal.
Nice to see Seb running high though. Also great to see 350+ kilomiles per hour on the main straight. Whoop!
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BTW, motogp bikes are starting to experiment with aero. They are really fast machines but they can't brake very good at all. I could see them really cutting their braking distance if they sink a few hundred mil into wind tunnel / cfd.
Ducati started it at the beginning of the season, now Yamaha are trying it:
So, based on GPS data and other applicable acceleration/power measuring techniques used at Monza, the estimate for the Honda shitbox power unit is that it's down THREE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER from the Mercedes. Oh my...
Last edited by drmandolin; 09-13-2015 at 09:07 AM.
Hmm... this one could actually be interesting!
Results after FP3
7. Alonzo..........147.237 WTF?
Bets on Jenson leaping off the good ship HMS McLaren before Suzuka?
Looking likely. I fell asleep during the race. I thought it would be interesting having someone new in the lead, but it just reminded me of the 3 seasons of the finger (or is it 4?).
Yup... snore fest.
And it was four years of the finger. Four long years. Although I have to admit I'm liking Seb a LOT more with each passing day at Ferrari.
So, Red Bull is looking like they won't have an engine supplier at all next year. Interesting and really hard to imaging losing two teams just like that. But they've totally painted themselves into a corner on this one, pissing off Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes.
They could be really and truly fucked at the end of the season.
Lots more talk re: Jenson and Fernando both walking away from McLaren at the end of the season. Ron Dennis pays Button's salary and the year two option makes it doable for Jenson to walk regardless of if they want him to stay. Honda pays Alonzo's salary and he lacks a year-two performance exit clause, but read he's negotiating around McLaren through Honda to get the fuck out asap.
And it's official - Sauber and Force India have filed the threatened paperwork with the EU over how money is paid out to the teams. The EU said there'd be a full-on investigation of illegal cartel behaviour if teams actually filed suit, but Bernie said they were bluffing and walked out of last negotiations telling smaller teams to fuck off if they didn't like the way the game was played.
Seems to be linked to Renault deal for Lotus, with Renault demanding historic lump sum payments for their past involvement. Like the 100,000,000 or so Ferrari get on day one each season just for showing up.
If Renault got something, further leaving other teams like Sauber and Force India without yet again, could be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Not sure anyone (besides Kharza) is even coming to this thread anymore, so... GIRLS!
Button stickin around. Here's hoping Honda get a clue next year.
So that was a somewhat better race than that gay shit at Singapore but not in the same class as Suzuka. Poor Nico. I mean, a gas pedal in a £5,000,000 car? Really? Oh well.
Kimi lost his head and wrecked fellow Finn Bottas' race on the last lap. I've seen a couple different angles and there's really no way around it. He pooched that.
Funny at the end when Vettel was giving out Lewis' room number to the grid girls.
Also, now even Adrian Newey saying Red Bull is completely fucked for next year. He blamed everyone but them of course, but it still means no Red Bull or Toro Ross next year as it stands now. Red Bull confirmed today that Toro Rosso cannot make their own engine deals. So if one team out then both teams are out. Wonder what will happen?
Brundle's interview with Bernie was interesting. Almost sounded like an outsider would come in and provide an engine, but I don't think there's enough time. Maybe Porsche or Audi or someone else had already started working on one in secret?
Audi and Porsche are too busy dominating the WEC. The engineering they put into their WEC cars trickles down to their road cars as well. F1 doesn't really offer that quite as much any longer.
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MOTOGP 2015 18 OCT PHILIP ISLAND CIRCUIT
Probably the only circuit the concessions granted Ducatis could shine at. Everywhere else, too many turns and their hilarious power advantage falls apart on because they just can't seem to turn.
Why the fuck does Ducati get these advantages?
Because they've been historically awful at MotoGP and Italian bias.
It was a fantastic race regardless.
Go see Hitting the Apex and see how bad Ducati was back in 2010 when Stoner left and Rossi was riding on them.
Anybody else think Marquez basically turned into Rossi? I'm kind of a Rossi fanboy but Marquez seemed overly aggressive the whole race, and looked like he turned into Rossi and Rossi just put his knee out and happened to hit the brake lever. Starting from the back in Valencia basically gifts the championship to Lorenzo.
Doesn't matter, Rossi clearly did it to run him off line which is frowned upon. Marquez is a fucking douche, no argument from me, but Rossi fucked up. He didn't mean for him to crash but Marquez, because he's a stubborn asshole, would rather turn into Rossi's bike than brake to avoid being run off the track.
I shed no tears for Marquez for sure. Hes the dirtiest rider I've ever seen and been the cause of more than a few riders crashing over the past 5 years. Even on the way his first title he rammed Lorenzo in Catalunya to finish second and gain the 4 points he won the title by and later hit Pedrosa from behind to mathematically eliminate him from contention.
It ruined the suspense of the title chase. Let them race to decide who wins. It will be interesting to see what Rossi does in protest of his back row start because he definitely won't line up and politely finish 6th or 7th. He'll make a point of making a point.
Vale pushed Marquez wide, but there was still plenty of room on the outside.
Was there live for the fourth straight year to see a phenomenal race in Austin. So fucking slick, tons of hydroplaning on turn 11. Loved the race, real race of skill. Hamilton's conservative attitude towards the track paid off. Nico probably just wants to leave society for awhile.
So jealous! Couldn't go this year because of work schedule and was thinking it worked out well for me over the first two days. But then the race... epic.
Crazy how the weather is even more fukd this weekend.
I've never seen Rosberg get so much love from a crowd. He's sort of hard to relate to being a rich white kid, but the mexicans were singing his name and stuff.
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