I'm going to be spending some time working in very cold (-40 is the intersection point of C and F!) weather. What are people's recommendations for clothes to get? Note that I will need to walk around in tundra/snowy conditions and will likely need to operate machinery and a computer in those conditions.
I have a Canada Goose bomber I wear when it dips below 0 around here and my other jackets don't cut the mustard. Even in 0 degree weather I can wear just a tshirt under it and be fine. Though you'd probably want a full parka not a bomber for what you're asking. They're also expensive. And they're only getting more expensive since they've grown into a status symbol coat. But it is lightweight and I don't feel like I'm the kid from XMas Story wearing it because it is so huge. When it was super fuck as balls cold out I also wore my Canada Goose vest under it as well. But honestly I was sweating balls and it was like -20 out. I'm sure a wool under sweater would work for -40.
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Get some polypropylene underwear, like long sleeves/long johns underarmor kind of deal.They keep you warm and dry. Stay away from cotton for the layer touching your skin directly, or for any layer really. You need the moisture to wick away from your body.
If you're going to be typing on a computer, get some thin stretchy gloves that go for like 99c. Reason being, you can wear them easy inside whatever mitts/gloves you will end up using and if you need to take those off to use the keyboard or something similar, you will at least have the cheap stuff on, which is an order of magnitude better than going bare skin.
Neck gaiters beats scarves when it comes to being functional. Get a tight one that will go straight on your neck and under your tuque, plus another much looser one that will go over face and tuque if you need the extra warmth.
Whatever coat you get, don't get something too form fitting. Key to being warm in the cold is to wear multiple layers. Plus, that gives you the ability to throttle how much insulation you wear if you move a lot. You can take off some layers as you activity increase so you don't get drenched in sweat and put them back on as you slow down so you don't get cold. If all you have is a giant fucking coat and a tshirt underneath, you're pretty much boned if you break a sweat.
So, picture underarmor tight fitting long sleeves/long johns.
Looser PT kind of long sleeves tshirt with sweat pants.
A Fleece jacket like this
Then a parka with the matching pants.
Stay away from steel toe caps for your winter boots. Just don't.
Get a tuque with a blend of around 30-40% whool (more get scratchy and less isn't as warm). Neck gaiters should be acrylic.
Get some big fucking mitts.
Then you're gtg.
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Bring lots of peanut butter M&Ms.
Seriously, that's what they pack in army cold weather rations. You need to eat 5-6k calories a day at those temperatures.
Anyway, as said already, layers are your friend. This is especially true if you will be going inside at different points during the day, as it is nice to be able to shed layers of clothes when needed so you arent either super warm or super cold.
If you are bundled up well and your body isn't cold you can eat normally but if you are cold.... drastically cold for extended periods throughout the day your body will burn a shitload of calories just trying to keep itself warm.
Even though I haven't snowboarded in 10 years, I still use my snowboarding pants in the winter when it gets nasty.
Nice and warm.
One thing I have discovered in recent years is fleece/flannel lined jeans. They are great. It's like wearing long underwear without wearing long underwear, and you can still wear long underwear.
As others have said, it's all about layers. In fact I don't wear a parka type coat even in really severe cold. It's just too much in one piece and it makes it impossible to adjust for the temperature and your activity level. If you are really going to be standing around outdoors not moving for hours then it might make sense but if you're going to be doing things and getting in and out of a vehicle then I wouldn't wear it. Also don't buy under armor. That shit is seriously overpriced. I wear duofold long underwear and it's the same shit for 1/3 the price.
My "everything" setup is as follows: Long underwear+flannel lined jeans on the bottom. You could wear insulated bib coveralls over that if you wanted to but I never find that necessary personally. On top I wear a cotton undershirt and a long sleeved cotton t-shirt. Sometimes I will even add a short sleeved cotton t-shirt in between just for good measure. Then I wear a thin microfleece windbreaker, an insulated canvas vest (carhartt), and a lined canvas shirt over all of that. That's 6 layers, none of which are a heavy coat and that's how I like it. Very easy to drop or add layers to adjust for the temperature and what you're doing and you are still fairly mobile.
My boots for cold weather are Arctic Sport Muck Boots. You won't do much better for warmth and water proof than that without going to crazy expensive stuff. I can't wear those boots if it's warmer than 30 degrees though or my feet sweat like crazy and jungle rot sets in within a few days. I just wear a knit beanie hat on my head or sometimes a baseball cap with the beanie over it if I want the sun out of my eyes. The fleece lined ones are nice.
Sadly the only thing that really keeps your hands warm are big ass mittens which you can't do a god damn thing while you're wearing. I generally find them impractical so I wear thinsulate lined leather gloves with knit glove liners underneath. They don't keep your hands warm but you can do some things and they will keep frostbite from setting in. The fancy ski gloves are NOT worth the money in my experience. If it's below zero your fingers will freeze in $150 ski gloves just as quick as they do in $15 gloves. I heard that the local ski patrol guys wear $8 leather/canvas lined gloves and put mink oil on them to make them waterproof. Haven't tried this myself but it's an interesting idea. Cold hands are the worst part about working outdoors to me. There's just not a good solution to it and your hands wind up hurting all day from being cold.
The main thing is to keep moving. You can be pretty comfortable in sub-zero temps if you keep moving, and if you're doing hard physical labor you will start shedding layers even when it's below zero. It's when you have to stand still that you really get cold.
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This is Tuco we're talking about. He's not going to play Canadian Ranger or pretend to be a lumberjack.
He's going to stand around a lot, walk for 15min every other hour and maybe run after a crazed robot for a mile or two.
I dunno, my friend who did cold weather training for the army said he had to eat 5-6k calories a day just sitting in place looking around with his goggles, with the occasional hike to some other place to sit around looking with his goggles.
Talk with someone who works on the north slope. Bunny boots, etc. Shit nobody in the lower 48 has
I've been out in the snow for weeks on end, pulling a sled during the day and sleeping in a bivy bag right in the snow bank at night. Yeah, in such situation you drink oil, snack almost hourly on cheese, spoonfuls of peanut butter and mars bars.
Tuco isn't doing that. He's going to be out maybe 8 hours a day, he's going to have a warm bed with heavy breakfasts and dinners. Don't be dramatic.
If he was headed to do a handstand on the south pole or do advanced winter warfare in Alert, he would have worded his post very differently and would have gotten different answers.
Waterproof insulated coveralls that you can fit in while fully clothed. Take it off and climb into another if the first gets messed.
If there will be drunk drivers and poor visibility wear something reflective that stands out so they can find your body after the accident.
I'm mostly concerned with having to sit outside for hours at a time and operating a computer without getting frostbite. I have an assortment of fingerless gloves I wear, but even then it can get brutal using them at 15 degree temperature, much less -40.
I'm not worried about food at all, though from what I hear the meals they provide at the base I'll be at are extremely calorie dense.
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Bring pencils. If push comes to shove, you hold them with your big warm mits and type with the eraser. Slow as balls and look silly, but beats calling it a day because your lost three fingers.
As I said in my first post, don't ever go bare skin with your hands. At worst you should have something like this covering your hands.
They are shit, but still beat wearing nothing and you can wear them inside whatever else you plan to wear as your primary gloves/mitts. If you don't do well with the cold, consider some glove warmer packets, but careful with that shit, they can actually cause some damage if they touch the skin directly.
If you're just going to sit there for a long time, your feet might be the big issue. Look for thin polypro socks to wear on the skin to wick moisture and get 100% wool socks. Make sure there's still room in your boots to be able to wiggle your toes.
I worked in a Deep Freeze Warehouse for IceCream where it was always at least 40 below. Use a mask with a filter like this. Amazon.com: ColdAvenger Classic Fleece Half-Mask: Clothing
Get some freezer boots that are pretty much rubber galoshes that you put your feet in after you put a thinsulate booty over your sock. They act like mittens for your feet. Also get a two peice winter snow suit with a pocket to keep your hands warm. Nothing besides mittens are gonna keep your hands warm at that temp for very long. If you need to use your hands in that temp, surpisingly the best thing you can use are rubber coated cloth gardening gloves that you can buy cheap at Home Depot. They will keep your hands warm just as good as anything else, but you can actually use your hands to type and other things with them.
Originally Posted by Noodleface
Vaseline. Put it on anything that doesn't have at least 2 layers. I was clearing trees for a drop zone last year in -20 degree weather (non wind chill) and I just had under armor or the walmart equivalent, Columbia fleece, Jeans (I'd recommend long johns under neath), hiking socks, steel toed workboots, a hat, goggles, a bandana or facemask, and two pairs of gloves. The gloves were key and the other guy with me had to borrow another pair. If you're typing I'd honestly say mix some bengay or tiger balm with vaseline and smear it on your hands and wear some thin, cheap gloves when typing and two pairs elsewise. Vaseline helps protect it from the wind and the tiger balm or bengay will light you up with that delightful burning feeling.
Really the key is just under armor covering everything you can, then another layer on top. Anything exposed to the open air/wind should be vaseline'd completely. Own the shine!
My normal skiing gear, which I will wear down to zero (f) or below for hours at a time, plus what I learned growing up living on a farm in Michigan and occasionally having to work outdoors in the winter.
Underwear (boxerbriefs), long thermal underwear (just regular fruit of the loom cotton/polyester blend), comfortable athletic shorts, loose fitting durable jeans, snowpants. The snowpants go on and off easily, and the jeans look presentable/normal when you're not outside.
I only use 1 pair of socks because ski boots are really well insulated, but I'd also consider a VERY thin cotton sock covered by a thick wool sock. Important not to cut off circulation in your feet. I'd strongly recommend the purchase of specialized waterproof winter boots, I used to wear them out on the farm in michigan in winter. I haven't used these specific ones, but something like SOREL MenS Sporting Goods
upper half: compression long sleeved shirt, fruit of the loom long-sleeved underwear top, loose fitting long-sleeved t-shirt, waterproof outside - fleece inside hoodie (will keep you warm indoors even if only around 50), winter coat.
Face: ski goggles, fleece face mask, something like Amazon.com: Cotton Fleece Face Mask, Neck and Ear Warmer, Black: Automotive except I have a columbia one, and then I use a head band to cover the ears plus a regular hat on top which also covers my ears, if it gets really cold (say, minus 20) I'll throw my winter coat's hood up which further helps block wind, but I don't like to wear a hood while skiing since it blocks visibility too much.
I have two different pairs of winter gloves, plasticky gloves when it's windy/wet, and more of a fleece pair for when it's just damned cold. Thick Mittens work better than gloves as an outer layer since your fingers will help keep each other warm.
It's been beat to death, layers layers layers BUT if you are smart about it you can do it well with less than you think. I spend a great deal of time outside in extremely cold temperatures, not quite as bad as -40C but in the -10-20C range for sure.
I'll outline what I typically wear/bring and it does change depending on your level of physical activity but I will capitalize a few suggestions that I live and die by:
-NO COTTON never, not once. Don't wear it.
-Other people talked about synthetic layers(underarmor, polyester, etc) I will not touch that stuff. I wear ONLY merino wool, in as many places as I can. It's expensive, but far better than the synthetic stuff on many levels, one of the best being it does not smell as bad if you have only a few items to wear, limited washing capabilities, and high level of exertion. The other massive huge plus, it dries extremely fast.
-Sweating is bad! If you find you are sweating too much SHED layers. Almost never shed your "shell" layer as that blocks wind which changes your body temp fast via convection. Shed the "mid" layer, which is why I like to stick with easy light down jackets that I can take off in a pinch and stuff into their own pocket(badass feature) and they don't weigh much. If you are sweating too much the moment you stop you'll start to freeze. Everyone sweats so use your judgement but you shouldn't be soaking or so bundled up that it's insane.
-If you plan to be out on the snow at all get 100% UV blocking glacier glasses. Going snow blind is not fun
That being said, here is my typical mountaineering gitup:
-Long "underwear" bottoms and top. Both Merino wool, typically the 150-200 "rating system". Lots of companies make this shit, Smartwool, Icebreaker, Stoic, to name a few. Check any outdoors site and look for Merino Wool.
-Depending on how physical I intend to be a second layer over my legs, something like fleece or thicker wool. I skip this if I am going to be moving around a ton.
-Up top, always something thicker and warm over the base layer. I vary between fleece, sometimes a really light down jacket. Tons of companies make these as well. I'm not talking about those giant puffy down jackets, but one of the super light thin ones. When you hold it you'll wonder how it keeps you warm, it does, and better than anything else out there and they weigh nothing
-Down below no matter what, some type of shell pants. These over almost no insulation but block all wind/rain/snow/elements
-Obviously whatever boots you need and then gaiters over them to keep snow out if you are walking through thick shit. If you are not walking through snow and moisture, skip the gaiters.
-Up top, shell jacket just like pants. Only purpose to block the elements. I prefer the type that DO NOT have insulation. When you buy "combined" items it's harder to shed layers or adapt if you need to as you start getting too bulky.
-If super cold and I am standing still a lot, one of those giant puffy down jackets with hood over the shell layer. Be careful if you are in a place with high moisture as down, even with gore-tex coating, will eventually get wet. Snow does not always mean moisture so that's a misconception.
-Neck gaiters are awesome and will keep you warm, but I simply can't wear them if I am moving at all. I sweat too much. Again stick with only merino wool if you wear a neck gaiter.
-If you have high winds and shit they also make the ones that cover your face. I've only worn one of these once.
-Whatever hat is warm and to your style liking.
-Ohh almost forfor the obvious, a nice thick pair of merino wool socks!
And some people need to justify the fact that they spent $1800 on Merino wool by saying things like "-NO COTTON never, not once. Don't wear it." Yes, wearing cotton is instant death. Thousands of people freeze to death daily from wearing cotton.
Polypro base, then fleece, then down, then wind layer. Most down is wind proof anyways (inherent with downproof material), but you need to keep your microclimate. Without a wind layer, your polypro and fleece are completely worthless.
The most important thing to remember about mountaineering is to display as many company logos on your outer shell as possible. This way, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE will know that you are a seasoned pro if you do this.
The next time there is an Archer AMA, make sure to ask what cold weather gear he uses.
Also, if you had any fucking common sense or outdoor experience and were not just a fucking internet neckbeard mouthbreather you would know why people say no cotton. You'd also know why runners, athletes, and pretty much anyone who moves more than just from their computer chair to the fucking Doritos cabinet do not wear fucking cotton. They may not peach merino wool like I do, but they will wear all synthetics. Do you know why mouth-breather? Because cotton doesn't wick away sweat for shit and it takes forever to dry. You are simply uneducated if you wear cotton during any aerobic exercise beyond planet fitness. Can you wear cotton if you are in a lab in Antarctica, sure, why not? But if you read what I wrote you would realize it has to do with how much sweat you are generating.
I don't have a damn logo on display when I go outdoors, and I still wear wool. Synthetics are fine, I just prefer wool because it doesn't stink as bad.
Yes, you called me out. I buy all my gear to walk around the city and look cool. It's never once been put to use.
I only insulate myself with garments woven from the pubic hair of Kuro tribe members. Nothing wicks away sweat like it.
Each visible logo adds 10% effectiveness but they stack multiplicatively, so suffer from diminishing returns.
I like the direction this thread is going. Whenever I get cold I will use the heat from this thread's hatred to warm me up.
Also anyone know where I can buy a legit version of
it really doesnt take much to keep warm. thermals + down jacket/pants and you're fine
Merino wool jeans. Can't be cotton. No cotton at all, or even normal wool.
Also one other comment on this - if you're wondering "well if its as easy as a pair of thermals and a down jacket/pants then... why do ppl spend $1000 on a jacket to go to the arctic or climb everest..?"
It's because they're paying for material thats extremely durable, untearable. It'd take an intense puncture to get through it.
Can we talk about down fill power, and goose vs duck plz. Also, hydrophobic down.
Just coat your naked body in several inches of vasoline tuco.
She could probably provide some tips
Jesus, by the time she got done stripping I would already be finished and watching Sportscenter.
Why does the amount of shirts she is wearing having anything to do with your ability to put it in her butt? She's only got one pair of pants on man.
You make a good point.
Like I said, fruit of the loom cotton/poly blend thermal underwear, jeans and snowpants alone are good for -20c outside for hours at a time, Total cost above and beyond what you probably already have ... 70 bucks?
Really the only useful thing I think that he can pull from this thread is double wrap your shit before you go fingerbanging a snowman's wife.
That's John Wamsley, not me. John Wamsley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tuco has finally snapped and believes he is Ned Stark. He's going north to assume his rightful place as Warden of the North.
There are those that dabble in cold weather and those that live in it. Here is some advice I have collected from those that truly live in sun forsaken country.
- forget style
- wool is better than any other material in extreme temps - expensive but worth it
I have one of these:
Get this an an anorak to go over the top of it and you will live like a true eskimo. It is expensive and not the most stylish but watch a few videos of those using one and you will understand why people swear by it. This alone will change your cold weather life.
Forget Boots. Boots wont cut it. You need to look into Mukluks for those temps. Many deep north expeditions outfits wont even take you if you dont have a good pair of Stegers. They work.
Forget Gloves. Get heavy mittens with long cuffs or hand warmer muffs. Some wool gloves inside the muffs or mittens are ok - layers apply here too.
With the above you'll be set for some pretty brutal conditions. Many other choices for the rest of your kit but in general wool and layers.
I've spent a lot of time in the woods at extreme temps and believe it or not I'm generally more comfortable in the freezing winter than I am in the summer months.
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