They'll probably do something shitty to please the cable companies. Fox puts its shows online, but you have to wait 8 days after initial airing.
I say just go whole hog and compete with Netflix.
HBO is finally going to let you watch its shows without cable | The Verge
Starting next year, you'll finally be able to watch HBO on the web without a cable subscription. In a dream come true for cord cutters, HBO CEO Richard Plepler has confirmed the company plans to launch a "standalone, over-the-top" HBO Go subscription offering at some point in 2015. This service will be offered in the United States and there are also plans to bring it overseas. "This will be transformative for our company," Plepler said. He didn't delve into specifics or outline whether there will be differences in what's made available to cable customers and internet subscribers. Plepler only said that HBO will "work with current partners and explore models with new partners."
"All in, there are 80 million homes that do not have HBO and we will use all means at our disposal to go after them," he said. Plepler described broadband-only homes as "a large and growing opportunity that should no longer be left untapped. It is time to remove all barriers to those who want HBO." Until today's surprise announcement, HBO had long resisted splitting off from its lucrative deals with cable providers. The company clearly doesn't want to anger partners like Comcast; in the same press release revealing its plans for a standalone service, HBO emphasizes there are still "significant growth opportunities inside the pay-TV universe." But the message couldn't be more clear: in 2015, you'll have the option to ditch cable and keep watching HBO's hit shows.
They'll probably do something shitty to please the cable companies. Fox puts its shows online, but you have to wait 8 days after initial airing.
I say just go whole hog and compete with Netflix.
I would expect this to launch right before GoT. Please please please let us binge watch like Netflix.
Originally Posted by Noodleface
I'm sure the cable companies will throttle and restrict access to it if you don't subscribe to their cable services.
HBO should partner with Netflix where you can pay more for HBO stream.
I'd pay that shit.
Theres no hope in hell they'll allow binge watching like Netflix does, releasing an entire season at once.
Not at all.
Specifically for Game of Thrones.
However, i'll totally sub to this. Only reason i don't is because it requires a shitty television subscription
Last edited by Needless; 10-15-2014 at 08:56 PM.
I'd expect more like Hulu less like Netflix. I'd expect physical cable customers to get a preferred showing. No idea what the delay would be (maybe even just 1 day if they're crafty), but I'd expect there would be a delay on releases.
If that's not perfect -- which it probably won't be -- it's a step in a more sane direction at least.
It'll be in the price points. We'll see. Paying over 100 a month for HBO and the hassle of cable itself... if that's my only option then I'll steal the few shows I care enough about to steal. If they offer me 1 day to 1 week delayed streaming straight into my eyeballs for a reasonable price maybe I stop being a douchebag about it.
As for when this will be a problem: You probably won't see throttling in the next 5 years, unless it's a MAJOR site like Netflix (And they can justify it on a PR level).....That's because they won't do it as long as competition can use it against them in their Advertising (IE Comcast throttles you, buy our package). And while there isn't MUCH competition, most areas have at least a duopoly; IE one other major competitor. So it's still a concern for them if they throttle smaller sites...And that is why Comcast, I believe, is choosing to move in now on their purchases.
First Time Warner for 45 Billion. Once they own enough of a market; with no alternative, then they are going to turn around and start raking the internet for cash. Hey Wal Mart, want to be twice as fast as Amazon? Okay--pay me. Going to be a shit show.
As for the actual HBO thing. Good. The more channels that break away from cable and offer services direct to user through the internet, the less accustomed people will become to the ridiculous idea that there needs to be a content gatekeeper like the current cable companies. Cable companies are a product of the transition from air-wave media, to line media. There is no reason for them to exist in the market anymore EXCEPT the fact that they are too big to die right away--and they own the "last mile" of the infrastructure. They literally provide no unique service (Beyond what any internet provider does) except for maintaining that last mile. And for that they charge 10 times what other competitive distribution services cost. It's like a store that charges 5-10 times as much for things, but can stay in business because it owns all the roads to your house. (And there is a huge market of people who rely only on cable; not the internet, which is why content producers are terrified of breaking with them).
The quicker the content producers leave; and force this show down, the quicker we will finally know if the Internet is doomed to be like Cable TV forever (IE pay for web site access.) I think the Cable Companies will lose, if only because the opposing side is going to have access to a lot of sympathetic propaganda machines once they are no longer beholden to Cable for access to viewers.
Last edited by Lithose; 10-16-2014 at 03:01 AM.
As far as HBO goes, I had thought this would never happen as Time Warner owns HBO and I didn't think they would ever allow it. As someone who hasn't had cable for anything other than internet in 15 years, I'm definitely interested in how this will work. I am thinking they will fuck it up somehow with pricing or odd restrictions.
I imagine part of the reasoning behind this is shit like GoT being the #1 pirated show and you do see some folks saying "I have no other way of watching it without a cable sub". On the one hand, they want to rape wallets as normal. On the other hand, they realize there is a huge demographic that doesn't want to get wallet raped so they need to figure out ways to entice them to give them money. Cable subs are expensive too...so you're gonna pay like $70 or so for the base cable, then another 20-30 bucks for HBO? An HBO online sub that was like 20-30 bucks a month would be a lot more palatable to many folks (at least while GoT is playing lol).
What will be funny is all those people who said they'd pay for HBO if it was offered putting their money where there mouths are. I'm skeptical.
I'm still going to steal GoT.
Now if they offered something like pay $100 bucks, get the full 10 episode season of GoT streaming available the same time as it airs on TV, and that $100 also included the dvd/bluray of that season you paid for when it releases (like a year later) then I would pay for it without question.
break it down its basically $40 bucks to watch GoT when it airs (~comparable to 2 months of HBO, but i'm only watching 1 show) and $60 for a physical copy of the season on disc when it releases.
edit: actually, what else is on HBO? True Detective and Silicon Valley? Depending on how much the sub is, and if it's available same as TV then I might sub.
Last edited by Sylas; 10-16-2014 at 12:57 PM.
I currently have HBO tv, but because it's Comcast I don't get HBOGo. If I reduced my package to just internet it would still be Comcast, so no HBOGo. Why go Comcast? Because as far as I know, it's the only 'nets around.
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All about the price point. I pirate tv shows yet I still have a Netflix account and I can't remember the last time I pirated a game since the advent of steam sales. They either need to have MUST HAVE content, which they admittedly might have, or they need to use a price point where paying the subscription cost per month is competitive with the hassle and risk of pirating.
I have competition for my free time, this ain't the 70's with 4 channels. Game of Thrones is indeed a very good show. But I'm not paying a ridiculous sum per month for it. I'll just go spend time with my son/wife, or play more video games, do shit around the house that I've put off, I have no shortage of things to do.
You may call it rationalizing, but I think it's really just some content providers finally realizing that they aren't competing against other TV shows or channels, but against everything else someone can do in their free time.
But you will watch it for free and be a leech. Don't worry, the responsible members of society will send in enough money to cover you too.
Not worth it IMO because HBO, other than GoT and Boardwalk (which is almost done) does not produce anything worthwhile in any volume that would make me pay money for it. Its essentially a few good shows and 100 shitty ass movies.
Compare that to a service like Netflix (for $8/month) and it falls flat on its ass. not only has netfilx countless shows/series/movies spanning many networks, it also has its own shows, and probably soon to be movies, that it produces. So yeah, paying $20 per month to watch a few months of GoT and 3rd rate movies? No thanks.
Brutual: No, that's alright, I'd rather you spend the money getting your head removed from your ass.
Also there is a point where all this shit ceases to be a "deal" . so lets see here is one show that I like on hulu, ching, so that other one my wife likes on Netflix, ching. Oh, and we have got to get HBO for GoT that we both like, ching.... So as time goes on and more of these break away from cable, we will reach a point where we went full circle and someone will have a great idea to consolidate all that into a package deal and were right back where we've started.
If there is a delay in content delivery after live airing then I'll continue to pirate. Otherwise, I would probably pay $20/month for this.
Last edited by Lithose; 10-16-2014 at 03:04 PM.
I'm glad HBO is doing this because it may make the cable and satellite companies unbundle, but for me, it's far too late. I've become comfortable pirating shows. In fact, I prefer it. An example is last night with Survivor. It airs at 8pm PST, and yet, I've got an HD copy downloaded and 75% watched by the time it airs live. And that's without commercials.
Not only that, but when I was torrenting, I received 2 DMCA notices and they were both from HBO. HBO is what pushed me into usenet. And also like Deathwing said, the content just isn't there to justify HBO for me. I suppose if it was about $2 a month, and I could figure out a simple way to integrate it into XBMC, I might consider it. But when Netflix is $8 for a massive library, I'm not about to shell out that kind of money to watch the 1-2 good shows an entire year that HBO produces (even if they're amazing).
In July I cut the cord with DirecTV. I now use an HD antenna ($40 Amazon) for live sports and the occasional live show I don't care to download (and I should note the HD is better quality), usenet (<$1/month for indexer, $6/month for provider) for dozens of shows (nzbdrone) and movies. I also have Netflix ($8/month) and Amazon Prime ($0 since I was only using it for shipping originally, but we'll call it like $8/month). So for a one time charge of $40, and about $15 a month, I have about 98% of the content I could ever want. The only thing I'm missing is Sunday Ticket, where I get crappy streams from Sports Devil.
Last edited by Elurin; 10-16-2014 at 04:02 PM.
I can cancel HBO at any time and resub whenever I want. It's $20/mo unless there is a promotion going on where it's $10. Let's say I have to sub for 3 months to watch GOT and then cancel, that's $60, plus whatever the season will cost when it's out.
Of course, I'm not a cord cutter yet, so my mileage is different here.
You're essentially going to steal the show before you even know what HBO is going to offer. It's like going to a store and stealing things without looking at the price because you have already come in with the notion that you will steal it.
I'm not one of those anti-piracy dudes or anything. I pirate most of my music before I buy it, because why the fuck would i waste money on something terrible. But I am against piracy for the sake of piracy.
No one pirates for the sake of piracy. What the hell does that even mean? People pirate because they're cheap.
I just bittorrent the shows I want, but then order the DVD box sets of the ones I like. I have all the GoT that has been released, Sopranos, The Wire, Dexter, etc.. most of them are new and unopened, but I support the good shows.
Don't give a fuck about the ethics of this situation.
It's entirely about convenience for me. I used to use Redbox a lot because of the cheapness of it. But then I got to the point where I'd rather just check the Redbox website for what's coming out soon and download it. Now I don't have to drive to the Redbox or be obligated to their time tables.
It's not about money for me anymore. It's just being a lazy ass and wanting to have things saved locally so I can watch them whenever I want.
It's defiantly rationalization though.
On a side note my friend also has issues with paying for TV show episodes he's already paid for with his cable subscription. He seems to think all he is paying for is the convince of them doing all the automation work he could do entirely legally himself (Capture show -> upload to computer ->tidy it up -> store it)
I would to say that pirating TV show episodes has only become as prevalent as it has because the industry is moving at a glacially slow pace to integrating with all of the new technology that exists now. The only thing they haven't moved at a snail pace doing is suing people. There is a market for and a willingness to pay for stored easily accessible content (See early Netflix) but it has to be integrated and balanced within current realities.
When I lived in the US i had cable internet only, and only because it was either the only high speed internet service available, or it was the fastest internet service available. I haven't had cable TV (or satellite) in 15 years, which is when I became an Adult and moved in to my own place. Prior to this I didn't have cable growing up until I was like 15, so really only 3 years of my life have I had Cable TV service and I never paid for it.
You're assuming that everyone who torrents would otherwise pay for the content. That's not true. To what degree, I have no idea, but it's not that black and white. As I tried pointing out earlier, there are many many things I'd rather do than pay for cable television and an HBO package. HBO is never going to get my money(currently), I'll just go learn Swahili instead of watching (legal)Game of Thrones.
Now, I will admit that there's a broader discussion as to whether torrenting has changed customer expectation of what their free time should cost. I know Steam sales have changed what I expect X amount of dollars should get me from a video game. And while I don't pirate games anymore due to the convenience of Steam and their sales, I also rarely buy games day 1 and will wait for sales. Maybe torrenting has had the same effect on tv and movies. But not everyone is strictly a leech.
Brutal, the problem with that entire train of thought is that cable television pricing has always been jewblushingly extravagent. It had that reputation well before torrenting was a thing.
You can tell yourself that you're carrying the welfare load but you're really not man. They're just charging what the market will bear. This ain't a tax, this is not a zero sum business model.
Call us shitlords for stealing if you want. That's fine whatever. But they're not charging you an extra nickel for every seed.
The amount of people that torrent is such a small demographic. It is almost no different than "My taxes r payin' 4 yer food stampz! Waste of gubment moneyz!" The target of your blame is more or less inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
Paying $100 for one package deal vs Paying $90 for 8 different subscriptions. The vast majority would still take the $100 and the ease of a remote control.
There are plenty of things that I torrent that I would not pay for, and there are a number of things that I do torrent that I end up buying to support. Not sure if there's anything that I torrent now and don't end up buying that I'd buy otherwise.
The majority of tv shows i stream, were aired for free on TV but because im at work, i missed the episodes and i dont have Tivo. i refuse to give directv more money for their terrible services, its also a nice plus not having to deal with commercials at all. the other shows i stream are shows that are plain just not available on american TV and if they are, they butcher the fuck out of them so they can shoehorn in endless commercials. i have Adblock+ i dont want ads on my internet or in my media. GoT is a good show, but i loathe HBO and wouldnt watch their channel at all unless GoT was on. i can see an option of paying a few bucks to see GoT only, but it has to be available the night the show airs. fuck that wait a week shit.
Steam. My pirating has gone way the hell down because of Steam. To the point where I am even paying full price for stuff on release day that I would have never considered before just because it is on Steam. But fuck buying anything on Origin or with the EA tag.
Also you are being fooled if you are thinking the price you pay has anything to do with costs due to pirating. Costs are going up because of lack of competition. Reality shows are taking over because Honey Boo Boo is and Duck Dynasty are what the masses want to see. And don't be so quick to assume shows won't be produced on the interwebz. You have heard of House of Cards right? Netflix is very, very far from a cable network.
Last edited by Selix; 10-17-2014 at 08:00 PM.
dude what the fuck, get adblock, and get it right now. you are giving your computer AIDS. my anti-virus does a scan on my pc every day. before i got adblock it was picking up 80-250 "threats" every single day. after adblock. im down to 4 maybe 8 on a bad day.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 10-17-2014 at 08:39 PM.
You should get adblock bro. Takes a like a minute and it's great. No reason not to.
One thing worth noting is they are only talking about their original programming. I'm not seeing anything here indicating that they have worked out online distribution deals with their movie studio partners to show it all on the net. I hope they do allow their full programming at some point and that they do well enough to tell the cable companies and satellite to get bent.
... because you are. Content of any kind isn't free. Subverting advertisements is stealing.
Plus, your argument essentially amounts to "you're stealing from every website that uses ads" when you use an ad blocker.
Are you arguing that changing the channel during commercials is stealing?
idk, probably not. But using software to suppress advertising is not the same as changing channels during commercials.
Is this really controversial? I just figured everyone accepted the idea that consuming advertiser supported content while subverting the ads was an ethical breach. Not like I'm saying I am holier than anyone, I torrent like a motherfucker.
But Adblock is completely legal. Ethics be damned.
Talk about what you would do if "insert situation that does not exist here" is cheap as hell. TV is still some of the cheapest entertainment you can get if you watch at least a couple hours a day. It would be expensive to watch Game of Thrones if that were literally the only show you watched every week but pretty much nobody does that.
Ad block is your right, same with every other privacy feature, addon, and content control on your computer. Being forced to watch ads is the unethical side and often the companies are the ones trying to circumvent technology to strap you to the chair with eyes pried open to observe some god awful promo for a product you'll never buy.
maybe Chaos doesnt want to miss some ads.
maybe he would like this one?
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