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    Playstation TV - Launching Octover 14th 2014 - Details / Information / Reviews thread

    I looked around and I know it is probably being discussed in various threads, but this is a pretty nice feature for those of us with a Sony infrastructure. Especially if you have a Vita combined with a PS4/PS3.

    PlayStation TV is a small device that will literally rest in the palm of your hand. Once installed and configured, you will be able to do a large amount of cool things.

    * If you own a PS4 you will be able to place this device elsewhere in the house and on your network be able to remote play compatible PS4 games with a DS4 controller without purchasing another console to do so.
    * If you own a PS Vita, you will now be able to play games that are compatible with the device on a big screen TV, and also with a DS3 controller if desired.
    * It will have all the media applications that are existing today on the PS4/3. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and rental/purchasable movies.
    * Download games to a (Yes, the same proprietary memory card the Vita uses) card to play. Including access to PlayStation NOW for all game streaming (Have not checked prices on this lately but last I checked you would be better off buying the game)

    This is the bundle on Amazon.

    Amazon.com: PlayStation TV: playstation vita: Video Games

    This bundle comes with a Dual Shock 3 controller, Lego Movie video game, and an 8 Gb Memory card. For an extra $40. So it is a decent bundle value pack.

    Basically for me, I want to be able to play some of my Vita games on the big screen. Like Persona 4, or Child of Light (which didn't have a cross play function) along with basically having access to games in case my home theater is in use by another family member.

    Games that are supported with use of the PS TV:

    Games Compatible with PlayStation TV

    Quite a few games listed. Mine comes tomorrow from Amazon. I think I am more looking forward playing my Vita games on a big screen. But some of the other features will be nice to have as well. For those without a PS3 that want to play some games on the NOW network, this is a good alternative from having to purchase a used PS3 and has some added functionality.

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    Yep, seems nice - on my "to buy" list once we've got the house more set up - mostly as a PS4 "extender" than the other functions in our case though - once we've got this place finished being set up we'll have 4 TV's and two PS4's that might want to be used on a secondary TV at various times (guest bedroom/living room - both are in the same gaming den currently - possibly two Vita TV's if the demand is high from the first)

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    Was all set to buy one until I saw that its only audio output is over HDMI. I would be hooking it up to a monitor and using speakers that only have optical or coaxial digital as their inputs. The other deal-breaker was that despite having the DLNA client that some retard thought was ok to omit from the PS4, the max output resolution from the PS TV is only 720p (or 1080i, but that shit is even worse). Also, does it even support Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. yet? Last I heard it only played stuff you bought from Sony's PS Store and didn't have clients for any of the streaming services. I can't find any info on whether or not that is still true on release day.

    Those things, combined with the fact that Sony still insists on using ridiculously overpriced proprietary memory cards, and the one Vita game I have from Plus that I really want to play (Soul Sacrifice) has since been updated with a new SKU that makes the Plus version obsolete... NOPE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorph View Post
    Was all set to buy one until I saw that its only audio output is over HDMI. I would be hooking it up to a monitor and using speakers that only have optical or coaxial digital as their inputs. The other deal-breaker was that despite having the DLNA client that some retard thought was ok to omit from the PS4, the max output resolution from the PS TV is only 720p (or 1080i, but that shit is even worse). Also, does it even support Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. yet? Last I heard it only played stuff you bought from Sony's PS Store and didn't have clients for any of the streaming services. I can't find any info on whether or not that is still true on release day.

    Those things, combined with the fact that Sony still insists on using ridiculously overpriced proprietary memory cards, and the one Vita game I have from Plus that I really want to play (Soul Sacrifice) has since been updated with a new SKU that makes the Plus version obsolete... NOPE.
    So, all the video applications like Hulu Plus, Netflix, Amazon, etc - are supported so basically anything on the PS4 is on the PS Plus. I agree the memory card is still ridiculous. For me, the main draw is playing PS Vita games on my TV with a controller. So 720p is fine given the device stream transfer. I can see how that is a no no for using it as a streaming box though for the applications but I have a 720p Apple TV now so that works for me as it's replacement. HDMI audio doesn't effect me as it would go to a receiver switch. For you though yeah I can see that being an issue. What I would like to know is if I will be able to plug in my Sony Wireless headset. It should technically work since it has a USB port, but I am not sure if it requires the application. One would think native 1080p would be a must considering it can take over for streaming devices. That was a poor move on their part. One thing I would want to see is more PS2 game support. I was never able to play Champions of Norrath and always wanted to play it. Hopefully it will be made available as I do not have a PS2, don't feel like buying one for one game, and it would work fairly well on the PS TV.
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    Ok so I bit the bullet on this. Stay away. At least for now.

    1) I knew this going in, but only 720p and 1080i support for video display. Which wouldn't be a big deal if...

    2) All the movies available for rent/purchase through the Sony Store are ALL STANDARD DEFINITION. This will not replace a Roku or Apple TV if you wish to use it as a streaming box with the perks of being able to stream your PS4 from another room to another set.

    3) Although it may be coming, there is zero support for apps for Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu Plus, or even Youtube. (Based on my post above, they stated this would be in at launch, it isn't.)

    4) About the only thing this is good for is playing your PS Vita games on your set. But this is cumbersome and here are my reasons.

    4A) I have a Nyko Controller grip for my PS Vita. When I want to play games on my TV, I have to detach the Nyko grip entirely from my Vita, take out the memory card, insert it into the PS TV, activate the games, and play. Obviously to get it back to the way it was before and play these games on my Vita, I have to go through that process again.

    4B) The graphics are not even close to what the games look like on a Vita. It doesn't scale well and there is a lot more pixilation than I am used too.

    4C) I am not sure why I cannot stream from my PS Vita to my PS TV similar to how I can do that with my PS4 to my Vita with remote play and use my DS3 Controller connected wirelessly to my PS TV. This reeks of poor design.

    Some of the good things:

    1) The interface is the same as your PS Vita and is very quick and responsive.
    2) It was easy to set up and get going out of the box.
    3) Sony Gold Headset works.

    The reason I purchased this was to use it as a set top streaming device in my upstairs bedroom with an ability to play my Vita games on the big screen. I can do this, but the result is far lacking. With horrible scaling, no applications released for Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Amazon Prime, and movies I may want to rent/purchase only available in Standard Definition, this is a worthless device as it stands. These are the changes they need to make.

    1) 1080p Native. How this isn't standard is almost appalling.
    2) Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, and Hulu Plus apps should have been on here to begin with.
    3) Remote play from the PS Vita to the PS TV and the ability to select the DS3 wireless controller configured to work with the PS TV for game control.
    4) High Definition streaming of content services from Sony if they want ANY Chance to actually market any of their services.

    This product as it stands would have been fantastic. Had it been released in 2005 along side the PS3.

    As of now I am considering returning and waiting until they fix all this.

    I do not recommend a purchase. Even if you are looking to play Vita games on your TV as the scaling is awful and you will not be impressed with the graphical changes.

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    Ut: The PS Store has HD versions of things normally, it's just stunting the offerings for VitaTV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaclav View Post
    Ut: The PS Store has HD versions of things normally, it's just stunting the offerings for VitaTV?
    Correct. On my PS3 and PS4 I can rent or buy movies in HD. In the store via my PS TV, only SD versions are available.

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    Anyone tried out the ps4 streaming? I realize it will be 720p which kinda sucks, but if it works well then it should be worth it. Does it have AC wifi? Dual band?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritley View Post
    Anyone tried out the ps4 streaming? I realize it will be 720p which kinda sucks, but if it works well then it should be worth it. Does it have AC wifi? Dual band?
    I'll check the speed of the wireless. I have not done that yet. The wireless PS4 remote play blows. It does have a wired connection method, but with my bedroom 2 levels above where my router is, I would never be able to wire it.

    It baffles me that you cannot order HD movies from the store, even on a 720p/1080i device. For the record, in the menu system, I cannot tell the difference between 480p and 720p which is weird as well.

    Edit: 802.11n is the highest.
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    I got one, like it so far. I mean, really all I wanted to do was play Vita games on a TV without having to spend 30 hours soldering tiny fucking 32 gauge wires. For that it's great!

    I really just hate playing on handhelds for some reason, but I want to play a lot of handheld exclusive games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestein View Post
    I got one, like it so far. I mean, really all I wanted to do was play Vita games on a TV without having to spend 30 hours soldering tiny fucking 32 gauge wires. For that it's great!

    I really just hate playing on handhelds for some reason, but I want to play a lot of handheld exclusive games.
    Yeah. If you are fine with the graphical degradation and poor scaling (Jaggies) it's fine for that. But this could have been a million times better and replaced set-top streaming. They should have aimed for an all in one box. And they severely missed the mark. It should be 1080p native, support HD TV/Movie streaming, and have all the apps we already have access to on PS4. Not to mention you will want to buy the bundle. At $139, just to play Vita games in a poorly scaled environment, well, to each their own. I don't see the value unless it could scale it to 1080p and look as good as on a Vita.
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    As a quick aside, Amazon shipped me two PS TV's and only charged me for one. They only have a record of one invoice and there wasn't an invoice in the second box. My honest bone which I have had since birth says I should contact amazon and send it back to them. The other part of me is disgusted with the lack of features to the point where I could stick it to Sony and return the unboxed 2nd unit for a refund and just keep the other one for free. Help me rerolled, should I follow my honesty track record?

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    It'd probably cost them more to receive and restock and they would tell you just to keep it. Therefore you should send it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrinsic View Post
    It'd probably cost them more to receive and restock and they would tell you just to keep it. Therefore you should send it to me.
    Ha! I'll let them know about it. I am too honest I guess. Maybe they will let me keep it. If so, I'll sell it and basically get a free PS TV. If not, I guess I can sleep at night knowing I did the right thing.

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    Thanks for the review. You definitely saved me some time/money. Hopefully in a year this will be worth the purchase or there will be an updated version.

    Amazon Fire TV pulled the same crap. Advertised HBO on the box but there was no access to anything HBO .

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    About the Vita games on TV: are there different scaling options? Like playing with no scaling even if not in full screen?

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    Good question Sz. PS3 had that for classics, would be an odd omission.

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    I was intrigued by this, if only for the desire to play PS Vita games (hate handhelds).

    Guess this is a pass.

    I'm honestly surprised Ut bought one without first bashing everything about it up until the moment of release and then buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szlia View Post
    About the Vita games on TV: are there different scaling options? Like playing with no scaling even if not in full screen?
    Nope. The entire operating system is the PS Vita operating system. The only options in video is to chose 480p, 720p, and 1080i - adjust the screen size which doesn't have any effect on the graphics of the Vita games, and RGB.

    It isn't horrible mind you. But when playing Child of Light, the transition from PS3/PS4 and PS Vita to Ps Vita on the TV is very jarring and lots of jaggies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    I'm honestly surprised Ut bought one without first bashing everything about it up until the moment of release and then buying it.
    Ha! The good thing is, I called Amazon, and they told me to send back the second one and it will be processed as an RMA and credited to my Amazon card. Even after I explained to them I was sent two and invoiced for one. So... Free PS TV. I need to buy a 70" LED from them soon I think.

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    So do Vita games look worse when you play them on this thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soygen View Post
    So do Vita games look worse when you play them on this thing?
    Oh definitely. On the Vita Child of Light looks awesome on the Vita in 960 544 - which is an off resolution. Now imagine throwing a 544p game horribly upscaled to 720p/1080i format on a 50-60" LED. The differences are night and day. And look awful. Obviously smaller screen on the Vita, but I tested Child of Light on the PS3, forced 720p, and threw it up at the same 50" in 720p, and it was infinitely better.

    The scaling is just atrocious.

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    Thanks for the review, was going to pick this up but will hold off till it gets some updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utnayan View Post
    Oh definitely. On the Vita Child of Light looks awesome on the Vita in 960 544 - which is an off resolution. Now imagine throwing a 544p game horribly upscaled to 720p/1080i format on a 50-60" LED. The differences are night and day. And look awful. Obviously smaller screen on the Vita, but I tested Child of Light on the PS3, forced 720p, and threw it up at the same 50" in 720p, and it was infinitely better.

    The scaling is just atrocious.
    I think the TV size is likely part of the scaling feeling so horrendous to you - I'll be curious to hear some 30-40" reviews of how the scaling is. I can't imagine too many people were thinking of using it to extend their systems onto a huge TV while having their primary systems on small TVs... seems backwards to most people.

    Most people have a household with a few 50+" TVs that would primary their systems, and use these with small 25-37" TVs that would extend their systems into additional rooms I'd imagine. So if the scaling is awful on big TV's it's not really that big of a deal if the demographics work out like I'd imagine.

    But then again, since that's my plan I could just be assuming my situation is normal and it's not. (50" in bedroom with PS4&3, 50" in Living Room with PS4&3 and will in the future extend the PS4s into the guest bedroom and second TV in the Living Room (both 37") with Vita TVs)

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    The size of the screen shouldn't matter if you're at the proper viewing distance (assuming equal resolution of the televisions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soygen View Post
    The size of the screen shouldn't matter if you're at the proper viewing distance (assuming equal resolution of the televisions).
    True - quick and dirty to assume that you might be pushing it with a 50" though, since the proper viewing distance is further. Especially since lower resolution pushes proper viewing distance even higher, no?

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    Lets assume someone doesn't own or give a fuck about the Vita, Netflix or anything like that.

    Is this thing worth buying just for the PS4 remote play? I just want to be able to leave my PS4 in the living room and play in the office when my wife wants to watch stupid shit.

    Most reviews are glossing over it but that's been the main selling point to me since this thing was announced.
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    From the bit I've seen, supposed to do it very well (not seen any mention of measurable lag) but at 720p. So as long as the resolution hit is fine by you it should do that well from what I've seen. (see my mentions of smaller TVs above - part of my reasoning)

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    So if vita games look like shit. I am guessing psp games look double shit? Was curious if stuff like ff4 complete and fft would look nice enough to play again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenas View Post
    Lets assume someone doesn't own or give a fuck about the Vita, Netflix or anything like that.

    Is this thing worth buying just for the PS4 remote play? I just want to be able to leave my PS4 in the living room and play in the office when my wife wants to watch stupid shit.

    Most reviews are glossing over it but that's been the main selling point to me since this thing was announced.
    If you are wired into both connections from your router (Wired Connection to your PS4, and Wired connection to your PS TV) it will be most definitely playable. If you areon Wireless, forget about it. Pixelated and awful experience and disconnects.

    Vaclav it's definitely the scaling within the PS TV. As noted, forced 720p from my PS3 to the same screen looks absolutely fantastic. Upscaled to 720p from 544p from the PS TV is fucking horrendous. Has nothing to do with the size of the TV in my case, which is appropriate viewing distance in my Bedroom (With a 50"). One does it well. The other does not, and it is definitely the scaling.

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    Have you tried doing the "Child of Light" test running the PS4 version streaming to it though? (or PS3, but I don't think you can stream from PS3, right? Obviously can use something else to test fidelity if you don't have CoL on PS4, just using that term since you used it for the two previous) I know CoL looks great on PS3's 720p on a 50" (In fact it's how I played it first before double buying for PS4 as well) - but does the Vita TV scaling screw up the scaling when it's NOT A VITA game is what I'm wondering.

    I realize for you, most of what you wanted to do with it was to have a "Big Vita" which quite clearly going from the bizarre resolution to 720 is going to be wonky (frankly I hope if/when I get around to playing Vita titles on one it would get a "letterbox" option rather than stretching it to hell) but if it scales stuff that's pushed via PSNow and PS4 Remote Play just fine that's a different ball of wax for many users.

    Yes, for people in your boat it sucks - but trying to find out how our desire to eventually use it would work out. (I'm imagining it'll work out well at 37"ish though, since I was doing PS4 Remote Play over the internet via Vita [portable] when I was hotelling to find our new place with the TV adapter and it looked fine for D3:UEE barring the occasional artifacting from doing it over the internet)

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    The home console versions of Child of Light probably have their assets stored at an optimal resolution for 720p while the Vita version have them for 544p. Upscaling 544p to 720p means it will have jaggies or be blurry (or both!). They should upscale to 1088p and crop 8 lines or cheat with the top and bottom 4 lines. At least it would look crisp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaclav View Post
    Have you tried doing the "Child of Light" test running the PS4 version streaming to it though?
    I have not tried that. I can give it a shot. I have the demo version of Child of Light for the PS4.

    but does the Vita TV scaling screw up the scaling when it's NOT A VITA game is what I'm wondering.
    I'll test this for you tonight. It will be going from 1080p and downscaling to 720p.

    but if it scales stuff that's pushed via PSNow and PS4 Remote Play just fine that's a different ball of wax for many users.
    This seems to be hit or miss right now for a lot of folks, and more often than not, miss. A lot of user reviews are having a lot of issues with remote play over PS4. Most are probably due to the wireless network, others are wired and still experiencing delay in control responsiveness and artifacts/disconnects. For the record, when I am within direct connection range, the Vita remote plays PS4 very well. When I hit any sort of network, it doesn't.

    Yes, for people in your boat it sucks - but trying to find out how our desire to eventually use it would work out
    I think a lot the problems can come from Wireless connections within a house, but also the type of hardware Sony must use as network adapters for their devices. Single band 802.11n on the PS TV hardware for remote streaming a PS4 game over a network is one of the main reasons people are having problems with it (In addition to wireless/network issues)

    I wish I could have the Vita direct Connect remote experience be as good as over the network. I would have no qualms then about the lack of settop box features and hardware limitations/Sony store limited to SD movies only.

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    Seems odd if it's having problems without the direct connect Ut vs. Vita Portable Remote Play - the wireless/over the internet versions seemed as close to flawless as you can expect in each case for the Vita Portable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaclav View Post
    Seems odd if it's having problems without the direct connect Ut vs. Vita Portable Remote Play - the wireless/over the internet versions seemed as close to flawless as you can expect in each case for the Vita Portable.
    It could be software issues/network issues/network hardware issues, or a combination of all. I'll be the go to tester for you.

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    Ok so testing the remote play on PS4 to the PS TV. Scaling was a lot better from 1080p to 720p. On a few games I tested. Input lag was bad but I'm on wireless with no way to try a direct connection via wired. Not sure if that would help. My wireless router is two levels down but I get a full three bars.

    If you have your ps4 and psTv wired it may work better. Untested yet. The scaling however is a lot better than 544p up scaled to 720p which is still a disappointment.

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    How do vita games that require touch input work when using a ds3? I'd love to have my vita library on bigscreen

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    There's a compatibility list, Tol. None of the touchscreen games I know of are on it.

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    Persona 4 has some touchscreen stuff for the online component, but it's on the compatibility list. Do you just lose that feature or something?

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    There is a a soft emulation of sorts with a pointer you can move on screen with the analog stick I believe? I remember seeing something like that when they first revealed the gizmo several months back, so it might not be in the final product.

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    They could've always just used that stupid as fuck touchpad on the ps4 controller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    They could've always just used that stupid as fuck touchpad on the ps4 controller.
    True - It is PS4 Controller compatible IIRC.

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    It has to be. You stream PS4 games on it.

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    BGR did a review on this also - They like the concept of it, but now how it currently is done..

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    Ugh I wanted to buy this. Now I will just wait and see if it gets better. Thanks for the review.

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