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    James Bond: Spectre


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    Bautista as a Bond villain? I dunno, he was good in Guardians because his character wasn't charismatic...which he isn't either. Having a major spotlight on him like this....I'm not so sure.

    EDIT: He's being cast as a "major henchman" who will be an assassin who gets into a few fights with Bond I guess. In that sort of role he would be okay I think, just as long as the major villain focus isn't on him alone.
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    He was fine in Riddick which is a pretty similar role. He will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanur View Post
    He was fine in Riddick which is a pretty similar role. He will be fine.
    There was almost no soul focus on him, he had some interjecting lines here and there but that was about it. Also didn't he die fairly quickly?
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    Calm down guys. He is going to be a Bond villian, not THE bond villian. I'm sure he will be just a henchman, like oddjob or jaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hootie View Post
    Calm down guys. He is going to be a Bond villian, not THE bond villian. I'm sure he will be just a henchman, like oddjob or jaws.
    I already said this, and he going to still be a big focus in the movie they are saying. Just not the main villain. WE'll see I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarrant View Post
    Also didn't he die fairly quickly?
    Just re-watched this last weekend on HBO, he is like one of the last to die, after a 1 v 1 with Riddick of course.
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    Ah, gotcha. It's been awhile since I've seen it, that's why I asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hootie View Post
    Calm down guys. He is going to be a Bond villian, not THE bond villian. I'm sure he will be just a henchman, like oddjob or jaws.
    and he would have sucked at these roles. Let's hope he gets no lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hootie View Post
    Calm down guys. He is going to be a Bond villian, not THE bond villian. I'm sure he will be just a henchman, like oddjob or jaws.
    yep....him being the main villain would not be really good
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    I think he could pull it off. Bond Villains only have about 3 scenes of dialogue anyways.

    It would be good to have a villain with a immense physical presence too. It has become too standard for the villains to be demented little nerds. Let's have a Genghis Khan mother fucker that is going to destroy the world by lopping off one head at a time.

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    I've been waiting for both the next Bond (loved Skyfall) and Mission Impossible (Ghost Protocol kicked ass). Can't wait.

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    Dunno, I think that the giant invunerable until silly death and witty retort henchman has been done to death.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fight View Post
    It would be good to have a villain with a immense physical presence too. It has become too standard for the villains to be demented little nerds. Let's have a Genghis Khan mother fucker that is going to destroy the world by lopping off one head at a time.
    It is possible that they're thinking along those lines, something like Bane from TDKR. Which would be a breath of fresh air in the Bond franchise.

    Although the thing is Bane did work because Tom Hardy is an actor first, and was able to put on a lot of muscle mass second. Bautista is sort of an okay actor, but that sort of thing would be new ground.

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    Daniel Craig and Christoph Waltz? Holy shit. Waltz is easily my favorite actor in recent years from both Tarentino films.

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    Waltz being the villain would be something pretty awesome.
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    Bataista IS an actor first and foremost. He's just a physical actor. He's been great in the things I've seen him in. Christoph waltz as the main villain with Batista as the main henchman will be totally fine

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    Oh my god Christoph Waltz is amazing.

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    Yep. One of my favorite actors out there right now.

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    Spectre, James Bond

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    Spectre, that's pretty awesome.

    Waltz as the main villain, and Dave Bautista as the henchman...I'm totally in for that.

    Monica Bellucci and Lea Seydoux, two gorgeous woman...one more mature, and a younger one.

    And Daniel Craig who rocks as Bond.

    My expectation are insanely high for this now.

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    Monica Bellucci.....holy shit!!
    The cast looks very good.
    I always found very odd that Spectre was not mentioned more often throughout 23 bond movies, now i know why.
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    MGM didn't have the rights to Spectre till recently(november 2013) so they couldn't use it, or the Blofeld character. Glad they got it back, and not wasting time using it.

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    I know I'm probably in a minority here, but I've never been a fan of the newer bond films. For me, Goldeneye was the last good one. What I loved about the old films is that they (mostly) didn't take themselves too seriously, and had a lot of tongue in cheek humour. Starting with Pierce Brosnan (after Goldeneye) and especially with Daniel Craige, the films seem to have taken on a tone of "serious business!" that makes them even more unbelievable than before, and far less fun.

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    I think that is a symptom of movies in general. Dark and gritty or bust!

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    So is Waltz Blofield, or is that still just an assumption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreugen View Post
    So is Waltz Blofield, or is that still just an assumption?
    There were rumors about him being announced first as Oberhauser for a while.

    The Mail suggests Waltz will be introduced via subterfuge as a character called Franz Oberhauser, “son of the late Hans Oberhauser, a ski instructor who acted as a father figure to Bond”. However, he will later be revealed as Blofeld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j00t View Post
    I think that is a symptom of movies in general. Dark and gritty or bust!
    Yup. Now everything must be like that, it's like the new trend.

    And i am with aaron on this one. Last good movie (and my favourite bond) was Goldeneye. Its followers were goofy, campy and boring. Daniel craig's movies tried to be Bourne-ish and that is not what bond is, imo.
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    I prefer it. But I also liked the Dalton movies. The darker edge is closer to the original books, which is what got me into Bond in the first place. I look at the cheesy stuff more as a nod to the decades those films were made in. They were intended to be serious films in their day, though they seem campy now. The 80s bond run with Roger Moore was a lot more tongue in cheek, but even those were trying to be somewhat serious, aside from the Jaws stuff. I understand people liking the camp, though. If anything the Austin Powers movies might have done more to elevate the Bond franchise by highlighting those aspects in the public consciousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron View Post
    I know I'm probably in a minority here, but I've never been a fan of the newer bond films. For me, Goldeneye was the last good one. What I loved about the old films is that they (mostly) didn't take themselves too seriously, and had a lot of tongue in cheek humour. Starting with Pierce Brosnan (after Goldeneye) and especially with Daniel Craige, the films seem to have taken on a tone of "serious business!" that makes them even more unbelievable than before, and far less fun.
    a big reason was the austin powers movie apparently
    Daniel Craig: Blame For the Super Serious James Bond Movies

    but I guess Craig wants to dial it back a notch now from Bourne down a bit closer to 60s Bond.

    I liked Casino Royale, didn't like as much the last two Craig Bond movies more due to plot silliness than the characters, I thought the actors were all fantastic. If they can nail a good spy story with Spectre I'd be very happy, but I like all my bond movies.

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    My favorite Bond movies are the Sean Connery ones, even though they are somewhat dated by today's standard.

    I liked the first few Roger Moore ones, but they quickly became way too campy and ridiculous.

    I actually enjoyed the Timothy Dalton ones too.

    I didn't like Pierce Brosnan as Bond, but some of his movies were quite good...Goldeneye being his best.

    Daniel Craig is my 2nd favorite Bond after Connery. Casino Royale and Skyfall were very good, Quantum of Solace was a bit of a disapointment.

    What I liked about Skyfall was the ending, which looked like it came full circle to where he started with the Sean Connery movies.

    Now with Spectre in the picture again, I hope we'll see something in the tone of the Connery movies but more modern. That would make me happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valderen View Post
    My favorite Bond movies are the Sean Connery ones, even though they are somewhat dated by today's standard.

    I liked the first few Roger Moore ones, but they quickly became way too campy and ridiculous.

    I actually enjoyed the Timothy Dalton ones too.

    I didn't like Pierce Brosnan as Bond, but some of his movies were quite good...Goldeneye being his best.

    Daniel Craig is my 2nd favorite Bond after Connery. Casino Royale and Skyfall were very good, Quantum of Solace was a bit of a disapointment.

    What I liked about Skyfall was the ending, which looked like it came full circle to where he started with the Sean Connery movies.

    Now with Spectre in the picture again, I hope we'll see something in the tone of the Connery movies but more modern. That would make me happy.
    QoS, the stadium scene was the only memorable scene...but for the coming full circle, I think that was the point as the first 3 movies starting with Craig are "unofficial" reboot-but they are

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    Glad I'm not the only one who both recognises the difference and also likes the old ones better. Just before I read Spronk's post I thought of the Austin Powers films and how they would never have been made if all the Bond films had been as dark and gritty as the Craig ones are. Will be interesting if what is said here are true that the next film will be a bit more like the classics.

    The thing about Bond films is that they are not meant to be generic spy flicks. And what differentiates a Bond flick from a generic spy flick is not just the Martini, shaken not stirred, hitting on Moneypenny, and some gambling. The films are formulated feel-good films. When you start watching a Bond films you've never seen before you know beforehand that Bond's going to win, the bad guy will loose and Bond will get the girl. The best Bond villains have been those that no-one would believe exist in real. Eccentric, rich, psychopaths who live on their own fortress island/submarine base/space ship, have their own private army and dream of world domination/destruction.

    The only Bond film I haven't seen is Quantum of Solace, and from all I've heard of it it's regarded pretty poorly, mostly for the plot (some corporate big-wig want's to privatise the watersupply in some South American shithole so he can reap more profits IIRC). Wtf is that? The news at 10?

    I think Bond films are a lot like superhero films. No-one is supposed to believe that this is real. It's not as if you walk out of a Batman film thinking Bill Gates must done a cape and fight crime in Seattle in his spare time. Doesn't make superhero films any less good (if they are well made). Same with Bond. Give me the cheesy one liners, the over the top Q gadgets, the extravagant villain and the world domination plot that only Bond can stop, the fast cars and faster women, and the tongue in cheek humour and you've got yourself a good Bond film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron View Post
    Glad I'm not the only one who both recognises the difference and also likes the old ones better. Just before I read Spronk's post I thought of the Austin Powers films and how they would never have been made if all the Bond films had been as dark and gritty as the Craig ones are. Will be interesting if what is said here are true that the next film will be a bit more like the classics.

    The thing about Bond films is that they are not meant to be generic spy flicks. And what differentiates a Bond flick from a generic spy flick is not just the Martini, shaken not stirred, hitting on Moneypenny, and some gambling. The films are formulated feel-good films. When you start watching a Bond films you've never seen before you know beforehand that Bond's going to win, the bad guy will loose and Bond will get the girl. The best Bond villains have been those that no-one would believe exist in real. Eccentric, rich, psychopaths who live on their own fortress island/submarine base/space ship, have their own private army and dream of world domination/destruction.

    The only Bond film I haven't seen is Quantum of Solace, and from all I've heard of it it's regarded pretty poorly, mostly for the plot (some corporate big-wig want's to privatise the watersupply in some South American shithole so he can reap more profits IIRC). Wtf is that? The news at 10?

    I think Bond films are a lot like superhero films. No-one is supposed to believe that this is real. It's not as if you walk out of a Batman film thinking Bill Gates must done a cape and fight crime in Seattle in his spare time. Doesn't make superhero films any less good (if they are well made). Same with Bond. Give me the cheesy one liners, the over the top Q gadgets, the extravagant villain and the world domination plot that only Bond can stop, the fast cars and faster women, and the tongue in cheek humour and you've got yourself a good Bond film.
    Ehhhh... I have to kinda say that its not to unrealistic but- unknown... now days no one really has a "vision" of the future that is beyond your standard "sci-fi" tech...we are kind of stuck... go back to the 70's and look at all the stuff on what the perceivable future is and there are as many takes on it as there are movies or books about it- now days there is a fairly limited outlook on tech and either dystopian or utopian... the orig bonds where mean to be... your cops and standard army are operating at "modern" levels- weapons, tactics etc... but there are these "super secret" agency's around the world that have "the future, now!" and are fighting in secret the evil that have equivalent stuff that actually could- if carried out- overthrow the modern army/police etc. and take over the world. It became "campy" because of limitations of effects etc.

    Take for example what is argued as one of /the/ most campy of the bond films- Moonraker... if what they showed did exist and this secret organization happened to develop it, steal it etc... the results could be devastating... but it came off as campy... I think actual modern technology and war-game gadgetry has 1) advanced to the point and beyond the conjectures of the old movies and source material and 2) the once more hidden actual military advances etc. are more exposed and public knowledge... this has lead to the changing of what bond is, and is more of a fighting what we know could exist/happen rather than fighting vs something that is way out there but "does!" exist in secret that bond is protecting us from so we can live our simple lives.

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    What makes a good Bond movie is one that piques the imagination, exposes secrets (organizations/technology/etc), takes you to exotic locations, and lets you live vicariously through Bond.

    I like most Bond movies, with Goldeneye and Casino Royale being at the top of my list. I was a Pierce Brosnan fanboy that didn't want to see anyone else take over the role, but Daniel Craig has done a very nice job. Different styles, but I appreciate both.

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    the next james bond movie will involve him fighting Super PACs and the Pepsi Brothers, who want to bring legislation that bans premarital sex and redraws congressional districts to favor coffee-party candidates

    the one with pierce brosnan fighting basically rupert murdoch + steve jobs was pretty funny/dumb, that was a really terrible bond villain. "no mr bond, I expect you to watch this giant flat screen TV behind me."

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    That one was awful. The older woman from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon does not a sexy Bond girl make.

    Oh I guess Teri Hatcher was in it too, she must've been pushing 40 at the time also.

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    I want Blofeld to have a secret hollowed out volcano base again, that was FUCKING AWESOME and possibly the greatest thing in a movie EVER since it had a spaceship eating spaceship inside it.

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    I'm OK with dialing back the grimdark and going back to some 60s spy vibe EXCEPT:

    1) no introducing fucking inventions that have NO logical purpose except when Bond finds himself in a plot situation where the outlandish invention miraculously is the exact solution to overcome the issue.
    2) Bond needs to still be a brutal fighter. He's an Ex-SAS character, the Pierce Brosnan one was just too over the top aristocrat bullshit Bond. He needs to still dish out the hurt and shoot to kill, not get dragged around like a tool until tricking the villian into dying.

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    I like each Bond in their own style of their movies. Each actor has brought a series of his own, and you can at least appreciate that.

    I think if all the Bonds and their movies were the same, the series would've died out years ago and anything made after Connery would be getting the "played out" tag stamped all over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron View Post
    I know I'm probably in a minority here, but I've never been a fan of the newer bond films. For me, Goldeneye was the last good one. What I loved about the old films is that they (mostly) didn't take themselves too seriously, and had a lot of tongue in cheek humour. Starting with Pierce Brosnan (after Goldeneye) and especially with Daniel Craige, the films seem to have taken on a tone of "serious business!" that makes them even more unbelievable than before, and far less fun.
    If you're looking for a spy franchise that doesnt take itself seriously and has a lot of tongue in cheek humour, then you have not been forgotten.

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    The rest of us want to see a serious Bond as he was originally written before they turned him into Adam West style campiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacel View Post
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    No one wants campy spy movies. That is the whole reason the franchise kind of died and went to the more serious tone. Craig's Casino Royale was probably my favorite bond film ever. I enjoyed the original films for what they were but most of them are fairly hard to watch now days.

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    Most one shot campy spy movies have more or less crashed and burned over the last decade or so. Avengers (Uma, Fiennes), Knight and Day, and This means War all tanked pretty hard at the box office, just to name a few. Really, True Lies and Mr and Ms Smith are the last two campy spy movies to pull in good bank that I can even recall, but both of those were really RomComs disguised as spy movies.
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    I actually enjoyed Knight and Day. Yes, it was absolutely campy, but I liked the movie as a whole.

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    I enjoyed Knight and Day because it didn't take itself serious and had some solid action.

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    In the Sony emails that were released, they were talking about finding a way to bring this movie's budget down from the 300 million range. I loved all the new Bond movies, but 300+ million? Someone is being over paid or those porta johns are made of gold. Looking at the numbers for the last three is crazy. I think Casino was the best one, yet cost the least of the last 2 by half the budget. Skyfall made over a billion and cost 200 million to make.

    MGM president Jonathan Glickman sent emails in early November explaining how the studio is scrambling to cut costs.

    He says the current budget "sits in the mid $300Ms," but the studio has to drastically cut back to $250 million. And the shooting period already costs $50 million more than the previous film, "Skyfall."
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    They're going to destroy the franchise again if they don't get that shit under control. Even 250 million sounds absolutely fucking ridiculous for a Bond movie.
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    but 200m for a 1.11b return is bad? cost less than the previous (Skyfall vs QoS) and made double? so the newest one... even it if just matches...or under by a tad of Skyfall and makes /only/ 1b and costs 300m ... its still making 700m... I get the balance of expenditure restrictions but...they are making money!

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    I don't believe they are referring to Sony's ROI as much as what makes a Bond film good and fear over a return to overblown Brosnan films.

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    They have stockholders to worry about, returns always have to increase....

    I don't get how the budget can be that big, seems crazy. Craig is single right? Maybe he has J49 syndrome but at a much more expensive level....
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    Location shooting is the staple of James Bond and a huge factor in inflating the budget, or so I'd assume.

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    Looks like those dastardly North Korean hackers are at it again. They have leaked the rough draft of the entire script for Spectre. I'm sure there will be some changes between what has been leaked and what actually makes it on the screen, but you can at least spoil the movie for yourself. I can't link the script because I haven't looked for it. And I'm not going to spoil myself, but whatever.

    There's also some big release coming on Christmas day from the hackers as well. They're calling it a special Christmas surprise.

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    That sounds amazing actually.

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    That sounds amazing actually.
    Seconded. Watch Luther; he'd do a fine Bond.

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    That's not the point. Bond is a white guy, descendant of British aristocracy.

    This is just pathetic race pandering. If you want a black secret agent movie, make your own franchise. Or just go rent XXX: State of the Union

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    It's bad since there's so many places a black guy doesn't easily blend in to. Bond needs to be able to just walk in places on short notice.

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    Yeah but what happens if James Bond has to spy on some dude with an international dog fighting ring? Or a chicken and waffles joint that's smuggling crack cocaine in their trucks to fund Al-Queso terrorists?

    Honestly the next Bond should probably just be Tyler Perry as Madea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chthonic-anemos View Post
    It's bad since there's so many places a black guy doesn't easily blend in to. Bond needs to be able to just walk in places on short notice.
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    Spy organizations aren't racist. The people that they spy on are often racist.

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    Yea, I love Elba, but the bias against black people is still strong, and I would think that much stronger among the oft tribal criminal organizations. The premiere british secret agent wouldn't be black. He wouldn't have the same opportunities.
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    Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko from Lost) would be a more fun Black Bond than Stringer Bell. Only because of the crazy African accent.

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    Second. Bill made a great spy

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    Remember how stupid that Roger Moore Bond in New Orleans was?

    Yeah.

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    Idris would make a great bond but it would take a hell of a writer to put him in places a black spy would work in. Then again he could just pose as a rich black guy (sports playing?) which tends to be popular everywhere and it's not like Bond was ever actually able to hide who he was to anyone.

    Still even if Idris was an amazing Bond I don't think I'd want to be on the Internet for the 12 months of 1-up race wars until the film came out and he proved it.

    "You know a black spy is fake when he walks past fried chicken without taking any! LolOlOloloL WTF!!!

    You know how the black bond didn't get drugged with his wine? Because it was grape koolaid LOLZ WOWz so cool dude!

    Black bond driving a $300,00 car? Well of course he stole it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    Idris would make a great bond but it would take a hell of a writer to put him in places a black spy would work in. Then again he could just pose as a rich black guy (sports playing?) which tends to be popular everywhere and it's not like Bond was ever actually able to hide who he was to anyone.

    Still even if Idris was an amazing Bond I don't think I'd want to be on the Internet for the 12 months of 1-up race wars until the film came out and he proved it.
    Why would you want to create a Bond movie but change pretty much everything about who Bond was? What is even the point?

    Just create your own black spy franchise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    Why would you want to create a Bond movie but change pretty much everything about who Bond was? What is even the point?
    If you have ever read a Bond book you would know they already did that. And though historically the agents are known by their letter designations there is no reason the Bonds of the past couldn't be explained as part of a meta number/letter system. Though that starts to shift heavily into consistency from movie to movie which doesn't play well. Still this is thinking about it to hard. If Idris made a good Bond or spy it doesn't really matter if it's from a series or the start of a new one, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    If you have ever read a Bond book you would know they already did that.
    Casino Royale was basically a scene for scene copy of the book.

    Nice try though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    Casino Royale was basically a scene for scene copy of the book.

    Nice try though
    Was probably the best one in modern times as well.

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    Ian Flemming's Bond was pushing the limits on racism, sexism, anti-semitic and sadism. The man was born in a time where that was normal but let's be real the image we have of Bond is a quite a bit aways away from Ian Flemming's books

    "“I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a great Negro criminal before . . . Chinamen, of course, the men behind the opium trade. There’ve been plenty of big-time Japs, mostly in pearls and drugs. Plenty of Negros mixed up in diamonds and gold in Africa, but always in a small way. They don’t seem to take to big business.”"
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    "Aside from the villains that are foreign mixtures of various kinds, there are the ones who are pretending to be British – which is almost as bad. Sir Hugo Drax in the literary Moonraker is actually half German, but he’s passing himself off as a British war hero. Goldfinger is perhaps the most interesting case: he’s Latvian, but a naturalized British subject. The surname Goldfinger is almost always German-Jewish, which has led to some speculation as to whether the character – who is obsessed with amassing great hordes of gold – is intended to be a kind of anti-Semitic caricature."

    "In the novel, Bond encounters Goldfinger for the first time in his hotel in Miami (just as in the film). Goldfinger is cheating a wealthy older gentleman at gin rummy – a fellow by the name of Du Pont, who happens to be an old friend of Bond’s. (Bond villains are not gentlemen: they tend to cheat at games. Goldfinger will cheat again at golf, Hugo Drax cheats at cards, Kamal Kahn cheats at backgammon in Octopussy, and Max Zorin cheats at horse racing in A View to a Kill.) Bond and Mr. Du Pont actually discuss whether or not Goldfinger might be Jewish. Du Pont says “You’d think he’d be a Jew from the name, but he doesn’t look it.” He then volunteers that were Goldfinger Jewish he would never have been admitted to the hotel (!)."

    "Actually, the most iconic Bond villain of all may be Le Chiffre in the literary Casino Royale. “Le Chiffre” means “the cipher.” The man in question adopted this name after the war, when he was liberated from Dachau. He claimed to be suffering from total amnesia, and at first was unable to speak. He could not remember his nationality. (M’s dossier, however, states that he has “large [ear]lobes, indicating some Jewish blood”!) Nor could he even remember his own name. And so he adopted the name Le Chiffre, to express his complete lack of identity. Le Chiffre is the perfect modern villain – and a perfect villain for the first Bond adventure. He embodies everything that Bond is fighting against: he is a rootless cosmopolitan, a man without a country, and without any allegiances (other than to himself)."
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    Soooo... you'rte trying to say that movies changed everything about Bond by eliminating the racism? Because Bond's entire character and raison d'etre was racism?

    You should try reading about Bond's background and then his background as presented in Skyfall. Let me know just how different it is.

    You're basically talking out of your ass.

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    Hi there. Did you notice I also said anti-semetic, sexist and sadistic? I know we are all now American so we focus in on the word "racism" any time it's said but Bond was a combination of all of those not just one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    Idris would make a great bond but it would take a hell of a writer to put him in places a black spy would work in. Then again he could just pose as a rich black guy (sports playing?) which tends to be popular everywhere and it's not like Bond was ever actually able to hide who he was to anyone.

    Still even if Idris was an amazing Bond I don't think I'd want to be on the Internet for the 12 months of 1-up race wars until the film came out and he proved it.

    "You know a black spy is fake when he walks past fried chicken without taking any! LolOlOloloL WTF!!!

    You know how the black bond didn't get drugged with his wine? Because it was grape koolaid LOLZ WOWz so cool dude!

    Black bond driving a $300,00 car? Well of course he stole it!

    Black Bond Zimmermanend! Zing! He got Wilson'ed!
    He could go undercover in Africa and fight the blood diamond mining warlords, or hunt for people like General Butt Naked.

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    Not sure how they could make a movie sexy that is about fighting African Warlords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    Hi there. Did you notice I also said anti-semetic, sexist and sadistic? I know we are all now American so we focus in on the word "racism" any time it's said but Bond was a combination of all of those not just one.
    There is nothing racist, anti-semitic, or sexist in any of your quotes.

    And your claim that "everything" about Bond was changed while only citing the supposed anti-semitism, racism and sexism basically implies that is your entire conceptualization of Bond, just those 3 things.

    Like I said, you're clueless about the character and are just talking out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    There is nothing racist, anti-semitic, or sexist in any of your quotes.

    And your claim that "everything" about Bond was changed while only citing the supposed anti-semitism, racism and sexism basically implies that is your entire conceptualization of Bond, just those 3 things.

    Like I said, you're clueless about the character and are just talking out of your ass.
    Well I read the books quite a long time ago since I loved to read and Bond has been something I grew up with but you don't have to take my word for it you can just google it or go to wiki. I forgot he was homophobic to. These things about Ian Flemming have been well written and discussed about for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    Well I read the books quite a long time ago since I loved to read and Bond has been something I grew up with but you don't have to take my word for it you can just google it or go to wiki. I forgot he was homophobic to. These things about Ian Flemming have been well written and discussed about for years.
    Is your liberal guilt making you want a black Bond?

    I'm serious. There is nothing in those quotes that implies Bond is racist or anti-semitic. Please show me where.

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    Well they already have a back story waiting due to Le Chiffre stealing all that war lords money, and them being killed by bond. Plus I think Gen. Butt Naked and his fellow random warlords are more scary than some random henchman who will do the typical fuck up " I'm going to kill you but let me drag this out so you can get away" shit.

    You tell me how this dude wouldn't sell in a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    Is your liberal guilt making you want a black Bond?

    I'm serious. There is nothing in those quotes that implies Bond is racist or anti-semitic. Please show me where.

    Since Google and Ian Flemming's wiki failed you and you didn't see the borderline racist, anti-semtic, sexism, or sadistic comments in the quotes I listed and apparently you don't remeber any of this stuff from just reading Ian Flemming's James Bond novels from the beginning let me ask you.

    What was the original chapter title five of Live or Let Die?
    In what book was the club where Jews weren't allowed?
    In the same book what was the gay maitre'd described as?
    And who was able to turn Lesbians straight because they finally met the right man?

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    A bunch more which you can confirm on your own should you remember how to use google.
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    He can't be black for the same reason he can't be ginger, fat or have curly hair. It breaks the suspension of disbelief that he is the same person. Craig and Moore pushed it with fucking blonde hair.

    Why do we need to resort to this racist shit?

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    There's a great 4 part series on Netfix about Ian Fleming/James Bond

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2647420/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    Since Google and Ian Flemming's wiki failed you and you didn't see the borderline racist, anti-semtic, sexism, or sadistic comments in the quotes I listed and apparently you don't remeber any of this stuff from just reading Ian Flemming's James Bond novels from the beginning let me ask you.

    What was the original chapter title five of Live or Let Die?
    In what book was the club where Jews weren't allowed?
    In the same book what was the gay maitre'd described as?
    And who was able to turn Lesbians straight because they finally met the right man?

    5 Things I Learned About Women From The James Bond Books
    A bunch more which you can confirm on your own should you remember how to use google.
    You think just because he mentions race, that automatically makes him racist. Either you're a white guy suffering from white guilt, or a black guy with a chip on his shoulder. Either way, you pretty much imagined those things.

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    The author being anti-semitic/racist/homophobic whatever doesn't mean Bond is those things.

    I love Idris Elba but have no interest in seeing him as Bond.
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    What's his henchman about to do with the duct tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    You think just because he mentions race, that automatically makes him racist. Either you're a white guy suffering from white guilt, or a black guy with a chip on his shoulder. Either way, you pretty much imagined those things.
    Go. Read. The. Books. He was a homophobic, misogynistic, womanizing semi-racist that was a product of his time.

    For Your Eyes Only: In the short story that shares the title with the book Fleming said the Cubans killed the English couple by firing their machines with their monkey hands. Later he says the Cuban women look like monkeys in their dresses. In Hilderbrand Rarity he calls fish ******fish. Surely, he knew the correct term for them.
    Thunderball: ******fish again. There's also a passage when Bond and Felix are enjoyin the drink that says, "The barman walked away with Negro dignity". What the hell is Negro dignity?
    From Russia With Love: Typical Russian stereotypes. That they are cruel cold people.
    You Only Live Twice: Japanese people are so submissive and they need the help of the great English secret agent.
    Live and Let Die: Anybody who read this book knows what I mean. The black Americans talk like Jamaicans.
    Felix Leiter: He is made to look like he's incompetent compared to Bond. It's an allegory to make America look incompetent to Britain (Fleming, like most Britons of his time, thought the British were a race, only divided into tribes like Scottish, Irish, English, Welsh).
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