Wait... People give a shit about the FOH WoW guild?
I was over in the WoD thread and got to thinking about my past with FoH. I ended up thinking there might be some interest in anecdotes from myself and other former members. I know back way too many years ago I lived vicariously through the front page updates of EQ era FoH. If nothing else I think I have a few stories that might be interesting. I know there are a number of folks like Kruegan around that might have their own memories to add and hopefully they will if folks are interested.
The first time FoH downed Gluth was because he bugged out. Gluth gave us a bit of trouble for a while. Our strategy was all worked out and it was just down to execution and zombie chow co-operating with the retardedly Benny Hill Earthbind race track I assume most horde guilds concocted. So we would have got him that week if not that night anyways but there was a bug where if Gluth tried to eat a chow but that zombie was killed in the half second or so it took him to get to it he would become unresponsive and just sit there stationary. So he bugs out and we proceed to kill him. I'm not 100% sure but I think I said we should wipe and do it legit before he died, I know I pissed and moaned about how it didn't feel like the accomplishment it should have and blah blah blah for which I was rightly ridiculed. The next week I believe we one shot him but I had sour grapes for weeks because we were dirty dirty cheaters and didn't reset him when he bugged like the saintly little boy scouts I wanted us to be ;_;.
Viscidious was a soul crushing retard check. I don't recall why exactly but Visc was much harder for horde guilds and not many downed him during the AQ era. I was new at the time, I'm not sure if i was a full member yet or still an applicant but we wiped and wiped and wiped. Part of that problem was most groups were taking waaay too much poison damage which was the one aspect of the fight that was super easy due to shaman. My group was taking little to no damage due to the fact that the poison stacks applied at the exact same rate poison cleansing totem pulsed. So as soon as the debuff hit you drop a totem and if you placed it right you cleanse your entire group before it even ticks and continue to do so for the entire two minute duration. Some of the groups with shaman are being eaten alive by the poison so Rav asks me to share what I'm doing with the other shaman, some of whom have 10 years with the guild. I get some of the most offensive replies I have ever read in my life back in response to those messages. Being the new guy wasn't super fun! The issue never got sorted out and we ended up winning despite the fact that most of the shaman groups were eating metric fuck tons of poison damage they didn't have to take. Go us! I still don't understand why but to be fair 90% of the raid had engineering but Ravv only trusted about five people to use goblin landmines correctly.
The night I ruined Naxx and stopped being the golden child was my first real taste of drama in FoH. I had taken a night off and missed spider wing the week prior. That week our clear pattern changed and we skipped a pack by hugging the left wall to save a couple minutes. Well no one remembered to let me know so I herp derp my way around the corner and aggro the pack that was left up. Our raid leader (a priest, Delkhaan if memory serves) absolutely loses his god damn mind over vent. Screaming cursing calling me names the whole nine yards. I'm drinking and playing at a friends house and had just come back from an AFK due to dropping and breaking a glass when it happened so I get pretty salty about it especially when a new shaman app HAS THE GAL to send me a whisper explaining how to hug the corner(how soon we forget!). Yelling at folks wasn't exactly rare but losing ones shit and calling out a single person by name was and had certainly never happened to me at that point other than the exasperated sighs when my always strafing left habit caused me to faceplant on the first eye beam from Cthun (Who always fired a good bit left of his initial target). So anyhow we pick up and move along. I tell that uppity fucker I'm well aware of how to corner hug it just would have been good to give me a heads up on the fact I needed to since I missed the last week. I bitch in group chat about how uncalled for and over the top screaming at me was and since I'm in a group with four officers someone tells Delk I'm shit talking him I guess. We clear to Anub and just sit there for a minute or so and I'm just beginning to wonder what we're waiting for when Delk begins to make the earlier reaming sound like a friendly heads up and removes me from the raid. At that point a couple folks step up in my defense and I'm immediately invited back and flooded with tells from folks telling me this is crazy your good don't worry about it he's just stressed out etc etc. But I am beyond done with it at that point so I hearthstone out, tell him to get fucked, and log off to get shitfaced with my friends sooner than planned. That ended up being one of the last, if not the last raid lead by Delkhaan for a while. Guy was just beyond stressed and needed the break which I certainly understand now. Being a raid leader contending for world firsts is not the easiest task in the world. Honestly thought I would be guildless after that night but I just ended up losing my golden boy status as up to that point I was kind of the teachers pet with a good portion of the officers and damn near loot bukkaked as a result. It was the beginning of the end of my vanilla career as well. I was bitter about it and couldn't get past it so I just had less and less desire to put in the crazy hours I needed to. I became somewhat of a pariah to the rank and file as well since loot was officer awarded you didn't want to be the person who's friends with the guy half the officers hate. A shaman who was an app before me and approved a few weeks after me ended up being the new "me" after that. Our rivalry and loathing for one another went on for years and has it's own stories.
I've got a bunch of other stories and anecdotes but these were just on my mind today. Once again if you have your own stories I would love to read them and if you thought these were interesting let me know and I'll post more!
Wait... People give a shit about the FOH WoW guild?
Well, he's talking about back in Vanilla. But FoH was still a hardcore raiding guild through WotLK, it wasn't until Cataclysm that the guild went mostly dead.
I was a flaky piece of shit during TBC raiding when I felt like it and quitting when I got sick of it or no longer had the time. We weren't anywhere near the top 10 to down Muru but we beat him pretty damn early if I recall. The night we downed him was the last night I raided as a member of FoH though so I have no clue about WotLK. When I came back for Sunwell it was partly because we were hurting so bad that a semi-retired member of the old guard was having to play my Shaman while he leveled his own in his spare time we needed them so badly.
Last edited by Taloo; 10-06-2014 at 11:28 PM.
well, Naxx was a joke, we made it fairly far in heroic Ulduar but never completed it, did heroic 25 man trials but thats when my computer crapped out so I don't know how far we went in heroic ICC. By the time I had a new PC, there wasn't even a 10 man raid for Firelands, much less a 25.
If I had to guess I'd say Sunwell broke the guild and it just took two expansions for the will to raid to finish dying.
Now I knew Kruegen. And you sir are no Kruegen.
FoH = EQ to me. Now if we have someone from FoH DAOC I'd love to hear the stories about how yall ran away like bitches cause you couldn't grind cloth hats! Admittedly, the PvE was terribad and no one should have expected that it was a game FoH was gonna stick to. And they were right that it was only 3/5 done at best.
Don't care. First Mez. Spreadheal. Rapetrain. Choo choo.
The thread title is misleading. As a relative lurker since noows, I opened this thread like a child opening presents on Christmas morn:eager for what new goodness lay inside. Instead, we get this WoW-era nonsense. #Yawnsville
Naxx broke the guilds back for certain. If TBC had 40 man raids FoH would have been over and done with right then and there. I wasn't present for this but the reason FoH never finished Naxx was a large portion of our cross server recruits threatened to quit if Sean got the first BP from 4H. For a large part of Naxx Sean wasn't around due to his internet situation so they didn't feel he deserved it and the "leader" of these folks was a druid who was kind of the person next in line for it. They gave an ultimatum. FoH doesn't negotiate with terrorists so Sean got the BP and they /gquit. It was too late in the game to replace them, gear the new folks, and then teach them. The majority of the guild was in TBC beta and a good portion had been in since F+F alpha so there wasn't enough give a fuck to power through after it happened. 4H ended countless guilds in a number of ways.
The guild was entirely different from that point forward. Sunwell finished what Naxx started as far as I knew. I was pretty much an outsider at that point but there was obvious frustration from some folks contrasted by Ravven's circlejerk of butt buddies fucking around without a care in the world because they were above the law.
There were a fair amount of awful players that were dragging down heroic progress in Wrath, and then there were some really skilled players with just unbelievably toxic attitudes that were honestly almost worse than the bad players. Ulduar hardmodes were a constant clusterfuck.
I don't remember most of what happened other than trying to manage all the mages on gothik made me want to break something and after that I started heavily drinking almost every time we raided. Oh and doing the guy before the last boss in sunwell was a horrible horrible time. At least this all lead me to this wonderful community of shut ins, suicidal trannies, pill popping prostitutes, and completely sane garlic eating individuals... most of which were in the guild.
Last edited by littles; 10-07-2014 at 12:29 AM.
Twitch hearthstone misplays.
As a member of FoH since 1999, I fully agree we were an EQ guild. The WoW group had few members from the original and wasn't nearly as focused in terms of world first kills, etc.
It's interesting this topic pops up as I was looking through my old computer files and found the front page announcement of when we "Made History" by killing Lady Vox. I had totally forgotten about rubicite armor and how we all (basically) had it. I also found a file called "Hasta La Bye Bye" in which we killed the Priest of Discord and one other about the whole Zamtil & Herzog debacles.
I know that wasn't the point of this thread but, regardless, it was a good trip down memory lane reading a few of these comments.
Also holy fuck littles. Glad to see you. I actually just refreshed the page before submitting a comment to check context with posts made while I typed it and had mentioned you and Neafy. Towards the end of things I don't think you thought too much of me as a person. I'm not sure what if anything I may have said but I was bitter for a bunch of reasons and I know I at least had the impression there was bad blood between us. I was a piece of shit child back then and I apologize for being one if I didn't imagine the animosity. You were a great player and a good guy. If you still talk to Neafy let her know I miss her and I'm sorry for driving her crazy with my dumbass jokes
Sounds like the same kind of stuff drove me away my friend. I killed Muru for me and me alone. Well maybe for Abraxes the guy who had been playing my Shaman. That man was by far the best person I have ever had the pleasure to game with. He was the recruitment officer when I joined and I told him one night at the end of my first week as an app I was broke and gonna have to take a week off till I got some money. He told me I was being guilded in the next couple days and that there was no way I could just leave for a week so he paid for my account for six months until I could afford to pick it back up(jobless student). As an aside if any of the old timers have any way to contact him I would love to pay him back for that. The day he retired during Naxx was the day quitting was a certainty. Hell he was the reason I didn't cut ties the night of my third story. He was the biggest reason I came back during Sunwell if I'm honest. If everyone to ever be a member of FoH was in a burning building and I could only save two people I'd save Abraxes and go back for his stuff(Neafy and Littles don't count because I forgot them until I typed that. She was awesome and I hope she's doing well and there is obviously no God if someone like her had to go through that kind of shit. Littles was a kickass guy too.). Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole as there were a whole bunch of good folks but seriously Abraxes was just an absolutely stellar guy.Originally Posted by Gavinmad
Ulduar Hardmodes were great, being in Wicked Mojo at the time, surpassing FoH like a breeze was good times back then.
My uncle had a cousin in FoH (EQ). I think he wanted to be a woman irl
Last edited by Needless; 10-07-2014 at 01:05 AM.
Taloo.. I remember your ass from Avarice. What a drama piece of shit you were those days. love always.. bloodshot (not ej bloodshot).
HI littles! Smooch.
I enjoyed WoW but I just couldn't get interested with the leadership and changes that took place after Alex left (full time). There were simply too many people wanting to "lead" and dictate this/that and most of the original members (those that were working or in college) simply didn't want to deal with that power vacuum as (speculation) we just wanted to continue our domination without any drama. I always find it interesting to read comments from ramrods talking about how FoH was a dictatorship, horrible as a "member", etc when none of them even spent one day in the guild. The original FoH group was incredibly stable and many of the members (myself included) helped the younger members with jobs, letters of recommendation, etc and still keep in contact to this day.
While I can't speak for other high end guilds such as Afterlife or Township (at that time) I feel confident in saying that was a rarity among high end guilds. Furor was one of the easiest people to have a conversation with and despite what the public saw (with his rants/posts) he worked around the schedules and did a lot for his members. To my understanding (I cannot confirm this) that continues to this day as he has helped several people break into the gaming industry. There are many funny stories from those old days. Many of which centering around Brad and what he would do to get our attention. That guy truly has issues to say the least.
I think a lot of us personally dealt with early EQ FoH rejects if we were from servers which weren't named Veeshan. And they always painted the picture of tyranny, backstabbing, and leet hax. And I'm sure there was some of that going on... we're talking about everquest. And we always bore in mind that... we were getting the ones that didn't fit.
And it was painfully obvious (painfully) -why- they didn't fit in most cases. Tempermental assholes, even by EQ standards. If the "butthurt autist" memes had existed, our guild board would have been nothing but threads of them when it came to those guys.
My guild broke my heart on a raid one night. I came back after a burnout and did a raid that we'd never done as a group. And we beat it on the first try and I was really just impressed... until one of my buddies told me that he'd been asking FoH about the encounter and someone had given him the strat to try. But you know, just the fact that they'd give him a viable strat for relevant content (we weren't racing for firsts obviously, but it was still top end content)... in the context of that game and that atmosphere... it obviously wasn't a guild full of goose stepping uberdicks.
1) If you weren't around back then this may not seem like a big deal on its face but Brad would, constantly (and I do mean constantly) make posts asking our opinions about him leaving his company, asking if we wanted to "team up" to create a game with him, hell there was one time he responded to a rickshaw post (seemingly wasted on something based on how he was writing - I really wish someone had a copy of this particular one) about suicide and how God shelters all from "it". It was weird to say the least.
2) He would just randomly appear on our raids sometimes (and fairly often). In fact, it wasn't only on raids this would happen either. We could be at the vault, on a raid, in a group, fighting mushrooms in lower seb, whatever/wherever, and he would just appear. Often with different armor asking "what do you think? How do I look?" I remember one day I said something like "are you truly that narcissistic that you care what random people whom you stalk think in a video game?" I think it was Alloria with me but, regardless, he didn't show up for days after that and then, after that, is when that whole suicide post took place. I am not saying he was threatening suicide because he wasn't but, at the same time, he was in a way. It's really difficult to put this one into typed words and hopefully someone reads this and recalls it as well. The post was something simple initially where someone made a comment in a joking manner about suicides going to hell (poking fun at religion) and then, all of a sudden, he butts in talking about how "God Shelters all his lost sheep" or some shit like that.
3) When Alex decided to take the job at Blizzard. Things were extremely weird at this point in terms of Brad. He would do his random show up crap but the moment Furor appeared (logged in, etc), he would immediately disappear and would send a weird smiley face message. Something like "duty calls, I have a world to create as only I can ". On it's own this would seem like nothing but then some of us started to talk and we all learned this was happening to nearly all the core members. On top of that, (I cannot prove this) I am one of those who firmly believe (it was a big deal back then) that he would make different forum account names to try to find out information on some of us as in real life names, where we lived, etc. There was one particular forum dweller named "RosettaEQ" or RosettaEQ1 (something similar) who (again, we learned this later when we just were randomly talking - myself and other core members) claimed to be a member of the guild long disappeared (bard named Cripps) and asking for information on Furor and a few others as in their phone numbers, etc and "how can we convince him to not join Blizzard as it will kill EQ?" Originally we just thought it was Cripps as he seemed to know everything about him and wanting to assure EQ remains top dog. After some time it became more and more apparent it was Brad based on some PM questions/comments. For example, "Rosetta" constantly talked about how "cool it would be to have a flaming sword" and shit like "if Blizzard would take me too, Alex and I would make the best game to ever be created". Finally the nail in the coffin, per say, was when this Rosetta started (after Brad left on his own) bringing up Vanguard constantly and doing "her" best to advertise it at the exact same times that Brad was making forum post after forum post about the same thing. Hell, they even used the same phrases.
That is just a small taste as I have several briefs to take care of but, suffice to say, Brad was weird and acted very obsessed about many things.
I was never in the actual guild but I was on Veeshan in one of the guilds right behind them essentially. I had many of conversations with them and they seemed like nice people. The one who I talked to the most which I cannot for the life of me remember his name was a Dwarf Priest with an A name I think....really don't remember his name but I remember us having many interesting conversations some including the use of ShowEQ.
You weren't, by chance, an Iksar warrior who led a guild, were you? I can't recall that guys name or the name of his guild (it was #2 on Veeshan, that I do remember) but I talked with him very often and we grouped often as well to knock this/that out and help his guild. In fact, I believe I was there when he was doing his best to get his clerics the sprinkler.
Last edited by Generol; 10-07-2014 at 02:26 AM.
Gotta run out for a bit but who are you if you don't mind me asking? Grouchy and focused would be Derkon off the top of my head haha but I got the impression you were replying to what I wrote to Littles so maybe another account I guess?
Everyone always thinks their experience is unique and special.....
The EverQuest FoH and the WoW FoH are not one in the same in my book. Not because I have rose colored glasses, but because some of the people were different and the competition in EQ was not the same type of competition that WoW has. Saying you were an FoH member now isnt some achievement on this forum and is just a big Whoopity fucking doo, you joined FoH WoW. It has more to do with the game, though, than the members of the guild.
That was the name I was trying to remember, he was my guild leader so if that was the same person he was talking about. Ya I enjoyed Veeshan a lot actually.
I remember grouping with Furor was playing a hunter if i recall at the crossroads and he was planning out a pvp attack strategy on how to take out like 5 alliance and as he was talking i rushed in a face rolled 3 of them and 2 ran while he said wtf why did you rush in and ungrouped with me and never saw him again. Was glorious i was in full valor just about and had a that pole arm Rends something , those noobs stood no chance , and he was discussing strategy when we clearly were out geared to fight them. Ah when you had to be somebody or know someone to get into those UBRS groups , felt almost EQish at that time was fun.
After the move to BDF an alt with the FoH tag was a powerful retard magnet. It wasn't uncommon to get jumped by someone happy to camp your level 52 in greens for hours at a time from their epic flying mount. I didn't give two shits as I would just log to another alt and farm somewhere else. Happened to Furor in Nagrand when he was leveling his paladin and motherfucker lost his miiiiind. He was out for blood and wanted every man online in Nagrand to commence curb stomping these retards. I'm ashamed to say my penniless ass kept farming for mats and repair money since I didn't even have epic flying or 500g to my name. But eventually some folks headed over and they raped and pillaged for hours. Vent was a shame filled delight. To be fair we asked for it a little bit. I chased some guilds MT with A'lar around netherstorm while he tried to farm with a wet sock and an Earthshield for a good hour one night. Accomplished nothing other than keeping him off that sweet sweet mount until he called two other people in and chased me down for another ten minutes trying to kill me. Good times.
Taloo's version of FoH and what I had always read about FoH are two different entities. One was a fairly upstanding group of folks who just wanted a fair chance at shit and had proven they were above the rank and file. His version looks like petulant children who enjoyed exploits/hacks/gm help and tried to intentionally fuck over everyone else as much as they could.
Color me conflicted by this "revelation."
Where the fuck are you seeing anything about hacks/gm help? The only GM help I ever got was on the test server in AQ. Where a couple bosses were despawned to focus test a later boss for a raid that was half pugs including myself at the time. As well as for raids in a bunch of other instances full of other guilds. Because Test Server. Well there was also the time in AQ on test server where Furor spawned General asjfbhasohdfbasdfhas from aq 20 on us at the zoneline in aq 40 and he proper fucked what I think was a different raid of half pugs. Which helped us... to... die for a reason I never ascertained? I probably should have asked at some point in hindsight.
The only "hack" I was ever aware of got a bunch of folks banned and I and everyone I knew heard about it as a result of those bans. If by hack you mean altering the AQ40 zone file to remove the wall that opens after C'Thun died.
The only "exploit" mentioned was a known issue that triggered on its own in a fight we had down and 1 shot the next week. It wasn't intended and I only mentioned it because it broke my little innocent heart that we didn't all suicide to unbug a boss we were behind the curve on but would have killed anyhow? With that said from pre-C'thun all the way through Muru that is the "most exploitive" thing I ever saw done in FoH. Of a total of three times. #2 Kael adds would path to another room. You triggered the encounter with the raid in another boss room and sat with your thumb up your ass while they sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooowly walked over. When they died you went to Kael's room and waited for them to walk back.... It was changed weeks before we downed him and didn't help in any way. Shit was retarded and did nothing but waste time that could have been spent on more reps. It was also used by guilds way ahead of us at that point. I assume until they realized it was dumb as shit and told someone about it for laughs. #3 I only saw on Muru. It was similar to what guilds did in BT on Reliquary where you had someone log out and come back part way through the fight. Excempt... I dunno it never seemed to accomplish shit to me. You have a paladin log out at muru. Then you have him run an alt alll the way up to the raid. At some point for some reason I forget he dcs and waits to time out and log in the paladin for later phases. Woooo. So for a good portion of the fight you're a man down. Maybe the whole fight (it was totally the whole fight sometimes guys i cant get in ;_. For the super sweet bonus of having someone log in to crazy bullshit death phase with no idea whats happening. It did... something I guess?
That's the kind of unintended outside the lines shit people were gaga over in Everquest. Except in Everquest it was helpful and not second hand information. Full disclosure Furor did log in one night wanting us to try and reproduce something to test it. Turns out some of those early bear mounts were due to being able to clip into the chests and loot the boss shit even if you didn't beat the timer. We did it with alts because almost everyone on was saved. It was a nightmare. It took sooooo long because we weren't quite sure what we were looking for. We never did get it right but did confirm it was possible and it was patched in the next couple days as a result. You're welcome.
Edit* Was this an exploit? I don't think so and everyone did it but eh I'll throw it out there. We used self ress on DDR to avoid the gauntlet. It was only fair because our strat involved killing him with the 5-15/40 who could dance and didn't have shit latency. So with that in mind it balanced out in the end.
Last edited by Taloo; 10-07-2014 at 10:19 AM.
Doubt post databases errors are win.
I'll echo some ones sentiment that in our guild ( The Order of the Scattered Wind - Bertoxx ) we were always hyper critical of people "coming from FoH". They never panned out.
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Got any more stuff like this? I love hearing about back in the day EQ stuff.
Well did you guys think he was sexy in his armor or not?
Bro you know you were jelly seeing those non plate classes running around in full efreeti armor.
Or that super gay human ranger in his green plate armor and gay dragon claws, jk i just wanted to call sean gay~
EQ GMs did nothing but fuck us up the ass for our entire seven year run. Our guild was nearly disbanded because after waiting with a full raid force OVER SIX HOURS (giants respawned) for a conglomerate of guilds to gather more and more people in front of nagafen, we charged in after their horrible wipe only to find that nagafen hadn't fully reset (bind rushers/pets.) We were promptly kicked from the zone and lectured like children. With today's rules we would have had zero obligation to wait, but back then the ruthless, evil FoH respected the "first to arrive and clear trash" rule rather than the arbitrary "first in force" (who decides what a "force" is?) that they use now.
There are countless more. But the thread was about WoW, where after some strong reps on Onyxia we were told to wrap it up for the week because "reasons." Yes that rumor was true. But we never approached WoW the same way as EQ, because the spirit of competition was completely different. Many of the EQ vets became more interested in PVP than the PVE aspect. People who were solid in EQ just weren't as into WoW, or were outright terrible. And with Furor (and many of the rest of us) having an actual job, our raiding hours were way down. Hell I was a total flake because with a day job I decided I liked sleep better than playing games and our raid start times kept getting pushed later and later. I also hated the first few classes I tried until I landed on rogue - the problem being we had an army of them, and way too many melee overall. I just never found my place in FoH WoW. I was never comfortable the way I am now with my hunter pug bitch.
FoH mainly died because we just stopped recruiting and settled for whoever bothered to log on. With 15 million fucking players, it was a hell of a thing to adapt to - recruits were complete strangers rather than friends of friends. You have to model after a corporate HR process for fuck's sake. We just didn't adapt, for whatever reasons. The thing is, Furor WAS Fires of Heaven, and with him barely around, the guild was on life support for years.
Last edited by Kreugen; 10-07-2014 at 03:04 PM.
I feel you on WoW. I did have some fun, but at the end of the day, RL took over. When I got a promotion or two on the job, and got married and had kids, play time went down down down.
Isn't Furor coming back to WoW for WoD or that's just a rumor?
The last time I saw him in game I accidentally joined his low level crusader's game and killed him when all the mobs leveled up to match. Oops.
We have absolutely no idea if there will be a WOD FoH at this point. Some people will trickle in to see the content, if we can make a raid force out of that, great. I mean at this point all it really takes is one guy willing to set shit up, because WOD makes it easier than ever to fill spots with pugs. No more waiting until 11pm est to start a raid bullshit like we tried to limp along with in MOP.
I'm sure if I ever posted here "I am leading FoH. Send me your resumes and let's do this shit" I'd get enough of a response to get going. But I'm not that guy. I have zero interest in managing raids or a guild. Censura was pretty much the last person we had with the patience and skill for that shit.
Last edited by Kreugen; 10-07-2014 at 05:34 PM.
I cant believe some of you arent more annoyed at the fact that the "I KNOW FUROR AND I SUCKED HIS DICK" posts keep showing up. The only WoW guild I joined from this community is James guild and I had a lot of fun in that one. Wish he was still a part of the community, even if he was gay. That guild had several forum users in it that had nothing to do with the EQ FoH, though.
MQ warping type shit didn't hit its height until post-POP I thought anyway. ShowEQ only let you see data, not manipulate it. At any rate, I can't think of any scenario where any active hacks were being used.
Yeah, the really active hack stuff with MQ was the post WoW era. Lots of people got banned in late GOD and Dragons of Norrath time.
Either way its just hilarious and only noteworthy because some here have the "we didnt cheat or abuse exploits, we were just that good!" mentality when its more than obvious how rampant cheating and exploiting was in EQ, especially at the high end.
SEQ and packetsniffers were still upheld as cheating by the vast majority. Yea, nowadays it's lul... wtf? But you gotta remember how a lot of us were coming out of PK muds where stuff like SEQ really -was- cheating. And it was rampant to the point of institutional among MUD admins. And our guilds were formed in great numbers by those who -detested- that aspect of muds. I know we had a hard and fast rule that we booted anyone we could confirm was using it.
Yes. It's insane. It was EQ. We had that rule and enforced it twice when a guy was just obviously stupid. Even so, I'm pretty sure we had at least 3-4 out of our 42 guys that were using it and were smart enough to be coy about it. And we really did mean it... don't cheat. If you can't do it honest, go join some other guild.
Stupid and insane... but that was EQ.
Req was the only person I know that was open about it.
Shocking, I know.
EQ2 drama of FoH was some great memories. Having do DT b/c the guild leader "GF" alts need gear. I wanted to bash my brains in so many times we had to do that stupid ass zone.
Oh yeah swing are e-dicks in EFP docks showing off are prismatic weapons i can't believe that shit was 10 years ago December. Oh yeah how can i forget the Triton bitching at the eq devs b/c someone started triton on permafrost. good shit
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
Everyone used their tricks. Before SEQ, you had the broken game code itself.
"Player not found in zone" = Trak not up
"You can only invite player characters to your guild" = Trak up! Move your asses!
there is an entire thread devoted to "sploits" on this board, no reason to rehash them all. i will just say that sometimes you had no choice to think outside of the box because shit was broken or you didnt have ten hours to untangle horrible yard trash that was in your way. at some point you have to ask yourself, what exactly is cheating. is it cheating when you have a mob with an AE spell and you hide everyone behind a wall ? is it cheating when you have a mob that fluxes the raid and so to counter it people get to a high point so they dont take falling damage? is it cheating when you time a mob's "special ability" and have your people run in and do damage and thn run out right before it fires off again? is it cheating to use your epic to continually rez in your dead to keep a fight going? is it cheating when you have a class with feign death blurring mobs so you can achieve single pulls?
MacroQuest may have hit its heights after I left, but warping across Dreadlands to get to any whichever fucking Dragon that was up wasnt uncommon. ShowEQ at one point showed you the loot that was actually on the mobs. Oh Snap~ Dracoliche Pop! Nevermind, Staff of Undead and our 30th Monsoon. Too me, thats cheating? Hell, being able to walk from the entrance of hate at full spawn to Maestro's room was a piece of cake with ShowEQ - Thats a hell of a feat w/o ShowEQ, but is it cheating just knowing where mobs are going/patrolling and when to stop/run?
FoH used the wall hack to do some of ToV - people had ShowEQ, people used warping tools etc. You're just deluded if you really thought it was all rainbows and butterflies. Fuckin' Popeye's is the Shit!
IMO the part of ShowEQ that gives you the loot information isn't cheating. The rest of it...ehhh, starts to get a little blurry then but shit was so unknown back then compared to all the information available today so opinions will vary.
The only "hack" I can remember resulted in the ban (which led to a massive rant of epic proportions from him - too bad nobody has a copy) of Kalaran and (if memory serves) it had to do with a dup'ing items hack between the zone near North Karana. On that note:
Everquest 1 Music - Karana - YouTube
EQ had the best damn music.
Edit because i just noticed that was Elderan that posted that. Swear to god dude every time I "THINK" of death touches I remember your ass getting DT'd way up on a chain in Plane of Sky.
I used ShowEQ to camp VT keys.
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As pointed out, you need to consider the bullshit that we had to put up with GMs too. My account actually got a flag warning put on it from a GM on my Necro alt because apparently fearing a mob into the zonewall near Skyfire zoneline "is an exploit". Somewhere around that SF zone tunnel in DL, the mob pathing makes a feared mob just walk into the wall.
So yea, I guess I was an EQ cheater! *eyeroll*
The krurk(kurk?fuck if I can remember) taking over as guild leader and furor "quitting" was a great awkward experience. Everyone knew Furor would take it back over, yet it exploded into a huge RMT issue and Krurk leaving, and some hurt feelings with other guild members. It was just a train wreck waiting to happen.
The different personalities in foh were staggering. I have no doubt in my mind some murders would happen if some people met up in real life. Some people were cool, some were just flat out shitbags who should have od on some pills in their mother's basement. On that note I wonder what happened to Justice and Karea(sp? Necro chick who ragequit because of Xerxes and was banging CT's raid leader Thess).
If I would have had the foresight I would have recorded everything and made a book or movie out of it.
I'm sure some people cheated on their own time. The hours upon hours we spent on raids and wiping, if someone was cheating for that shit I want my money and time back.
Last edited by Rais; 10-07-2014 at 11:48 PM.
I was on Lanys. Conquest inspired me to cheat.
You sound like it's the year 2000 and you are in a veeshan guild not named Fires of Heaven.
No reason to be jelly. One of the secrets of the Uberguild was in the management structure. It took a core of good officers, which is just to say poopsockers who were willing to spend their time with the less poopy-socks in order to advance each other. And one breakout leader among them sure as shit helped. And of course it too recruiting the right types for the guild you wanted to run, and it took plenty of good indians and a willingness to be an indian when there were enough chiefs.
Our guild was uber on our server because we were absolute dicks, but we lacked that breakout leader that guilds like FoH, Triton, Afterlife, BotS, et al had. You could have a really solid core of poopsocking, united nolifers playing as dirty as EQ was played and it still wasn't just quite enough to push you into that last 2%. For that you needed 1 ring to rule them all. And finding a nolifer with those sorts of social skills... well, there were probably only about 10 or 20 out of the entire playerbase of everquest.
Fucking Kruegen and his 1%er bullshit. Fuck you man.
could someone explain what a poopsocker is? to me it sounds like a word made up by butthurt players who didnt get the first bite at the apple.
We didn't exploit 'much' in WoW because yeah we were being watched all the time. Anything we did was minor, as a guild. We had people all over in the guild that did what they want and if they got banned/suspended that was on them.
Don't we have an NPC in Dalaran named after one of our win selling PVP'ers?
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