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    My wife wants me to build her a desktop computer, so I'm thinking I may do so for Christmas. I'm wondering how the Intel 4000 integrated graphics are on the Ivy Bridge chips. She doesn't game except for random stuff like World of Goo. Primarily it would be used for work, meaning Excel / Word / Powerpoint, ImageJ, and having lots of PDFs open. She would also probably want to use Splashtop to access it from her tablet, and I'm considering using her computer as our Plex Media Server to connect to our Roku box. Think I will I need a dedicated video card for that?

    Right now, I'm looking at:
    -random motherboard
    -Core i5 3570K
    -16gb (2x8gb) DDR3 1600 or 1333 G.Skill RAM (is this still a good brand? Haven't built a computer since 2006)
    -650W-ish power supply (SeaSonic, Corsair, or Silverstone)
    -Samsung 830 120gb SSD for Windows and core programs
    -2TB HDD for misc storage and media
    -Antec 300 2 case

    I have a Microcenter about an hour and a half away that I could use to get good deals on the motherboard / cpu and probably several other components. Any suggestions? Additionally, this is putting me in the mood to get myself a new desktop since I am still running a core 2 duo and 8800 GTS. Is core i5 and GTX 660ti the sweet spot for price/performance these days? I am running a single 23'' 1080p monitor, but might add another if performance won't be a big hit.

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    You'd be fine with 8gb of ram, but for the price currently, fuck it rock the 16gb. Don't need a video card from what you describe.

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    You could even scale down from the 650W power supply if you aren't getting a video card, unless you want to leave room for adding one down the road.

    I'd still plunk down $50-$75 or so for a decent dedicated video card. The Intel 4000 is about on par with about 5-6 generations ago for cards...probably something like a Geforce 8600 GT or something like that. Snag a cheap card, something like this Radeon 6670 for $65, and it's going to be at least 2-3x as powerful as the built-in Intel 4000.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102988

    I'f you're going to plunk down $500 or so for the rest of the PC, pony up the extra $50 or $60 for a video card, it'll be worth it. There are plenty of decent cards for well under $100 if you are only doing the rare occasional casual gaming.

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    So I'm going to buy a video card today I think. It seems like the nvidia 670 is a better deal than the 680. Tom's Hardware was saying its only a few more frames per second for $100+. Any reason not to go with a 670?

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    670 is beast, I'm still rocking a GTX 460, and thats the card I would upgrade to when the price comes down. I don't like the idea of the 650 TI, 660, or 660 Ti having 2gb of ram but really only utilizing 1.5gb with their gimped memory bandwidth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinch View Post
    -16gb (2x8gb) DDR3 1600 or 1333 G.Skill RAM (is this still a good brand? Haven't built a computer since 2006)
    That ram is fine, but I would pick up this samsung ram instead if I were you http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147096

    It's cheap
    It's super low profile
    It's a new 30 nm fabrication, super low power ram. Most ram runs at 1.5v, this ram runs at 1.35v. You can run it at normal 1.5v power and overclock the shit out of it or jack up the timings. I'm using it in my new build, it's great.

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    with stupid Xmas presents i haven't been able to get myself a video card yet but the 4000 has been ok, good enough to stream full HD no problem and run wow in between good and ultra. Not the best but way better than 3000

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    For what you're describing, the 4000 should be fine. You can always add a video card later if you need it for something, but it's not like World of Goo is all that GPU crazy.

    I have G.Skill RAM in my laptops and desktops and it runs fine. Never had a problem.

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    Gracias everyone. Also hi Alkorin (Pescador from TMO).

    Yeah I was thinking about a cheapo video card but I honestly can't imagine her even stressing the intel 4000 as long as it can stream HD video, run Plex, and do Splashtop.

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    Yo, Pesc! Long time no talk. =)

    Yeah, it sounds like onboard is the way to go. It's easy to add a cheap one later, and unless you go with a truly cheapo PSU, you'll have the leeway to do it.

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    I'm rocking a 670 and hands down its the best bang for the buck. My opinion may not hold much weight since my old card was a 8800 gtx. I paired it with an i5 3570 OC to 4.3GHZ. Everything so far is butter smooth.

    Edit: it is a 670 gtx sorry about that.
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    I think you mean a 660Ti (there is no 670TI), but I do agree that it's a damn fine card for the price. I've had one for a few months now and it's great. Have Far Cry 3 maxed on all settings (1900x1200 reso) and it's silky smooth. Also overlocks decently with stock cooling, I think I have the core GPU clock at +70mhz and the memory clock at +400 mhz(which is about a 6-7% bump on both) and it's stable as can be. In the benchmarks I ran(Heaven & 3DMark 11) it increased the graphic performance right at that 6-7% as well. Might try pushing it a little farther when I have the time to mess with it.
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    Here is a great guide for overclocking your Nvidia 600-series GPU for anyone that has one

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1265110/t...#post_17391120

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    So I've using a 560 TI, some superclocked thing at 900mhz. It's 100% fine still for any game except Skyrim+50 visual mods, so I'm kind of thinking of either upgrading or adding a 2nd one. Thoughts on replacing it with a 670 or similar, or just getting another 560 TI and going SLI? I've never really meddled with SLI before, so don't know many pros/cons about it. I thought this was going to be an easy decision as the 560 is getting a bit older and I could pick one up for cheap, but they are still in the ~250$ range so that made this a bit more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronne View Post
    So I've using a 560 TI, some superclocked thing at 900mhz. It's 100% fine still for any game except Skyrim+50 visual mods, so I'm kind of thinking of either upgrading or adding a 2nd one. Thoughts on replacing it with a 670 or similar, or just getting another 560 TI and going SLI? I've never really meddled with SLI before, so don't know many pros/cons about it. I thought this was going to be an easy decision as the 560 is getting a bit older and I could pick one up for cheap, but they are still in the ~250$ range so that made this a bit more complicated.
    SLI isn't going to solve your issues. "Skryim+50 visual mods" means you are likely VRAM limited, and SLI does not increase your VRAM (it doesn't double, it mirrors). If you are running a 2GB 560 then look at a 3GB 7900 series or 4GB 600 series. There are also a few reviews that show Skyrim mods so you can see if a 2GB 600 series will benefit you enough. If you are running a 1GB 560 then you have more options.
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    Yeah, I think you would get more bang for your buck selling your current 560Ti for whatever you can get for it, and then putting that money towards a 660Ti or 670(depending on your budget, the 670 is superior, especially at resolutions well over 1080p, the extra bandwith is big at high resolution), rather than plunking down another $250 on another 560Ti.

    Basically it just kind of comes down to what resolution you game at. If you're low at something like 1680x1050, the 670 might not be any better than the 660Ti, save the money and get the 660. At 1080p, the 670 is probably 10-15% more powerful than the 660Ti, and going up to something crazy like 2560x1440p the 670 pulls well ahead of the 660Ti.

    I personally do my gaming at 1920x1200, and I went with a 660Ti as the best bang for the buck. I couldn't justify 30-40%% more cost for maybe 10-15% better performance, but make no mistake, the 670 is the better card if price is no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovec View Post
    SLI isn't going to solve your issues. "Skryim+50 visual mods" means you are likely VRAM limited, and SLI does not increase your VRAM (it doesn't double, it mirrors). If you are running a 2GB 560 then look at a 3GB 7900 series or 4GB 600 series. There are also a few reviews that so Skyrim mods so you can see if a 2GB 600 series will benefit you enough. If you are running a 1GB 560 then you have more options.
    Thanks mate, I'm using the 1gb version and I assumed adding another would work additively (probably not a word, whatever), but if it just mirrors like that then yea there is no point in a 2nd 560.

    I play primarily at 1920x1080 using TVs as monitors, but am very close to springing for a couple of those 2560x1440 korean jobbers from Ebay, so I may wind up with a 670.

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    Definitely go 670 if you think you even might get one of those Korean monitors(even moreso if you get 2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronne View Post
    So I've using a 560 TI, some superclocked thing at 900mhz. It's 100% fine still for any game except Skyrim+50 visual mods, so I'm kind of thinking of either upgrading or adding a 2nd one. Thoughts on replacing it with a 670 or similar, or just getting another 560 TI and going SLI? I've never really meddled with SLI before, so don't know many pros/cons about it. I thought this was going to be an easy decision as the 560 is getting a bit older and I could pick one up for cheap, but they are still in the ~250$ range so that made this a bit more complicated.
    FYI: I have this same question. Been thinking of SLI'ing my set up. I have never done it before, but I can snag an identical 570 GTX EVGA Superclocked card for around $250.00. Unfortunately, Amandtech doesn't show SLI 570 GTX as a comparison bench set up when comparing this to a 670 or even a 680.

    Any ideas on performance and if it is worth it? Or should I just reroll with a single 680 GTX? CPU is a 2500k OC'd to 4.5 Ghz, 8 Gb Ram, and Windows 7 Pro if that matters.

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    Same thing as above, if you are gaming at 1080p(1920x1080) or below, the SLI setup would probably out-perform a 670 or above. If you are gaming at higher resolutions than that(or might in the future) going up to 2GB or 3GB of RAM on the newer cards is going to be a huge improvement over dual-1GB cards.

    I personally upgraded from dual-4870s with 1GB apiece on them to a 3GB 660Ti. The 1GB on each card was bottlenecking me just a bit at 1920x1200, I regularly see my video card RAM bump up to 1200+ MB used when watching the sensors on GPU-Z. http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/. 3GB is definitely overkill for my 1920x1200, 2GB would perform just the same since I'm not even ever using the full 2GB, but I plan on going up to a 2560x1440 monitor soon.

    I'd recommend downloading that utility, play your favorite game in whatever resolution you use, and see if your RAM is getting maxed with your current card, because a 2nd card won't help that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    Same thing as above, if you are gaming at 1080p(1920x1080) or below, the SLI setup would probably out-perform a 670 or above. If you are gaming at higher resolutions than that(or might in the future) going up to 2GB or 3GB of RAM on the newer cards is going to be a huge improvement over dual-1GB cards.

    I personally upgraded from dual-4870s with 1GB apiece on them to a 3GB 660Ti. The 1GB on each card was bottlenecking me just a bit at 1920x1200, I regularly see my video card RAM bump up to 1200+ MB used when watching the sensors on GPU-Z. http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/. 3GB is definitely overkill for my 1920x1200, 2GB would perform just the same since I'm not even ever using the full 2GB, but I plan on going up to a 2560x1440 monitor soon.

    I'd recommend downloading that utility, play your favorite game in whatever resolution you use, and see if your RAM is getting maxed with your current card, because a 2nd card won't help that at all.
    Ok sounds good. I am playing right now on a Dell IPS 24" in 1920X1200. So just a tad over that mark. Things seem to run fairly well, but more horsepower for Far Cry 3 would be nice.

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    Yeah I've been playing Far Cry 3 this week, with absolutely everything maxed at 1920x1200 I'll see spikes up in the 1100s for MB usage when theres a lot of stuff going on, but it usually hovers around 900-1000MB used. If you have a 1GB card, you're probably hitting the max fairly often if the graphics are cranked up all the way

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    670 is beast runs these by it self, Farcry 3, Crysis 1, planetside 2, GW2 all maxed across 3 monitors.

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    So anyone here a fan of small form factor gaming pcs? I have a small place and can't afford the room for an office desk and hardcore gamer setup. So I just use the living room with an hdmi hookup from my laptop hidden in our media cabinet, and a wireless keyboard and mouse, with a big enuf screen that I can comfortably game from 8-10 feet away on my couch. Problem is my laptop is fairly anemic for some newer games (ps2 comes to mind). But some of these desktops are too big, and as some of you with spouses may understand, one of those giant red cases with glowing blue tubes and fins doesn't float well with the wife.

    Something i thought might hide reasonably discretely in the living room:
    alienware x51 - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399407,00.asp
    Falcon tiki - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406536,00.asp

    Anyone have any experience with these or know of similar sff gaming pcs?

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    Can you handle a receiver sized case? If so, you can basically build a full fledged PC inside an HTPC case, full size ATX motherboard and all. This is the one I use, or very similar anyways as mine is approaching 7 years old now: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=85&area=

    Basically looks like a standard home theater component, and you don't have to connect the HD activity LED if you don't want to.

    Only thing you need to worry about is the length of your video card, as you might have to remove one of the drive cages to make it fit. And obviously ventilation of the case is important if you've got anything beefy crammed in there. My current setup can pull about 450W under full load from Furmark and Prime95 (670 and i5-750), and stays reasonably cool with a couple fans at the front and back each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vepil View Post
    I'm rocking a 670 and hands down its the best bang for the buck. My opinion may not hold much weight since my old card was a 8800 gtx. I paired it with an i5 3570 OC to 4.3GHZ. Everything so far is butter smooth.

    Edit: it is a 670 gtx sorry about that.
    I don't know if you can say it's the best bang for the buck unless you're running something stupid like several monitors or a retarded huge display. The GTX 460 is under $90 and runs FC3 on Ultra at 1920x1080 just fine.

    I think about upgrading every few months or so, look at the cards, look at what I'd get for them and say "Nah, fuck it, not worth it" every time. Graphics cards at this point are heavily mental masturbation unless you're trying to do something like Hatorade up there and play 3 games at the same time.

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    If you are building your own PC and want something that fits somewhat discretely in your entertainment center, I'd recommend this case:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-YT11-119-265

    Its still pretty big, a little bigger than a stereo receiver, but it's only about a foot tall, much, much smaller than your average case and can easily fit on standard entertainment center shelving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomer View Post
    Can you handle a receiver sized case? If so, you can basically build a full fledged PC inside an HTPC case, full size ATX motherboard and all. This is the one I use, or very similar anyways as mine is approaching 7 years old now: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=85&area=

    Basically looks like a standard home theater component, and you don't have to connect the HD activity LED if you don't want to.

    Only thing you need to worry about is the length of your video card, as you might have to remove one of the drive cages to make it fit. And obviously ventilation of the case is important if you've got anything beefy crammed in there. My current setup can pull about 450W under full load from Furmark and Prime95 (670 and i5-750), and stays reasonably cool with a couple fans at the front and back each.
    This is decent looking but still quite a bit larger than the custom pc's i linked. I don't think there are build-it-yourself cases that are close to compact as the tiki or alienware - if there are i'd be happy to give that a shot instead of paying a premium. The alienware especially is gimped by the weak external power brick, though there are some youtube heroes who claim they have a gtx670 operating with the 330W version.

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    http://pcpartpicker.com/b/z43
    More pics, yes I know I need better cable management, was just pumped to get it up and running will fix that later.




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    Here's my new PC I just built past week. i5 3570K, ASrock Z77 Extreme 4 mobo, Corsair H100i Water Cooler, Seasonic 750W Gold PSU, 32GB 1833 RAM, Intel 180GB SSD, Geforce 660Ti, and some other random drives.

    Cables got a little jumbled at the bottom, had so many fans in the system I had to add a few power lines just for them, and there were too many to hide on the other side of the case behind the mobo, case wouldn't shut so had to leave a few at the bottom of the case near the PSU
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    Heres a closeup of the H100I water cooler radiator mounted in the top of my case. Used 4 silent fans rather than the 2 stock fans, so it's pushing and pulling cool air across the radiator. Can get my i5 3570k to 4.7 ghz and at full load under Prime 95 for an hour it doesn't go over about 66 degrees celsius. Plus it's quiet as hell, about the only thing I can hear out of my case are my older 7200RPM storage drives when they rev up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasteton
    This is decent looking but still quite a bit larger than the custom pc's i linked. I don't think there are build-it-yourself cases that are close to compact as the tiki or alienware - if there are i'd be happy to give that a shot instead of paying a premium. The alienware especially is gimped by the weak external power brick, though there are some youtube heroes who claim they have a gtx670 operating with the 330W version.
    It's all going to be dictated by the graphics card, really. Most SFF boxes can't accommodate a decent GPU due to size and power restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasteton View Post
    So anyone here a fan of small form factor gaming pcs? I have a small place and can't afford the room for an office desk and hardcore gamer setup. So I just use the living room with an hdmi hookup from my laptop hidden in our media cabinet, and a wireless keyboard and mouse, with a big enuf screen that I can comfortably game from 8-10 feet away on my couch. Problem is my laptop is fairly anemic for some newer games (ps2 comes to mind). But some of these desktops are too big, and as some of you with spouses may understand, one of those giant red cases with glowing blue tubes and fins doesn't float well with the wife.

    Something i thought might hide reasonably discretely in the living room:
    alienware x51 - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399407,00.asp
    Falcon tiki - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406536,00.asp

    Anyone have any experience with these or know of similar sff gaming pcs?
    Just built my first micro atx system, it wasn't bad at all. It took about twice as long, more planning, make sure the video card can fit, and the cpu heatsink has enough room. Cable management is a bit of a pain, a modular psu is mandatory. Other than that build went fine. 15 days uptime on windows 8 as of right now.

    edit: attached a pic of the interior so you can get an idea of how cramped it's going to be. This is the build:

    intel i7-3930k
    samsung 16gb 30 nm ram (seriously, I have to plug this ram again, there is no reason to buy any other ram unless you need 8gb sticks, it's superior to everything else on the market, an evolution in ram fabrication)
    evga gtx 690
    corsair m4 512gb SSD x2 in RAID 0
    WD caviar black 2tb spindle drive
    cougar fans (4 120mm, 1 140mm)
    corsair H80 cooler
    lian li v-354b case
    LG blu ray
    asus rampage gene IV
    and a partridge in a pear tree

    all that nerdy power in a case not much bigger than 2 xbox360s side by side

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    I can't tell if that PSU is ridiculously huge, or if the perspective is just skewed because of the small case. I guess the case is deeper than it looks in that pic though, from looking at how wide it is in the first pic. That bottom pic makes it look like the PSU is taking up over 1/4 of the entire case and is resting on the motherboard, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    I can't tell if that PSU is ridiculously huge, or if the perspective is just skewed because of the small case. I guess the case is deeper than it looks in that pic though, from looking at how wide it is in the first pic. That bottom pic makes it look like the PSU is taking up over 1/4 of the entire case and is resting on the motherboard, lol.
    I can see that lol. It's a tight fit no doubt. You can see the end of the video card and the two power cables plugged into it right past the psu for a little more perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    Here's my new PC I just built past week. i5 3570K, ASrock Z77 Extreme 4 mobo, Corsair H100i Water Cooler, Seasonic 750W Gold PSU, 32GB 1833 RAM, Intel 180GB SSD, Geforce 660Ti, and some other random drives.

    Cables got a little jumbled at the bottom, had so many fans in the system I had to add a few power lines just for them, and there were too many to hide on the other side of the case behind the mobo, case wouldn't shut so had to leave a few at the bottom of the case near the PSU
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    Here's a repost of my pic from when I built it on FOH. Wanted to see your case vs. the HAF XM with the same mobo and cooler. Hell it's all basically similar. I have my i5 2500K at 4.6 GHz now and it barely breaks a sweat in Prime 95. Still not getting much OC out of the GTX 670s, individually clocking them in PrecisionX and one is at 50/500 with the other at 58/550. Need to bench FarCry 3 and some other stuff now and see...
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    Nice, I've got my 660Ti overlclocked at +70/+500 and its completely stable at that. I was running it at +70/+700 for a while but I kept getting a crash in Far Cry 3 every couple hours, so I backed the memory overclock back down to a reasonable speed. Honestly going from a +500mhz to a +700mhz memory clock was only like a 2-3% performance gain using the Heaven benchmark, so I just backed it way back down, no use burning the thing out for minimal gains.

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    Not sure if this should be in the desktop or laptop section...

    In either case:

    Looking for a 256GB SSD.

    Either an Intel or a Samsung (from what I been reading, they are pretty good, even if a big expensive).

    I wont be able to actually use it until the end of February, however, I can purchase it at anytime.

    Any good time to buy or ugprades coming out in the near future I should plan my purchase around?

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    Haha, a few things I've learned today about SLI, 120 Hz, and upgrading drivers... Decided to try out the new Nvidia beta drivers since there's a supposed increase in FarCry 3 performance. Okay, neat. Download and install, all of a sudden my monitor doesn't support 2560 x 1440, shit... Forgot to disable test mode so that Nvidia Control Panel would let me select 120 Hz refresh. Roll back, disable test mode, reinstall, patch new driver with ToastyX fix, re-enable test. Whew, back to 2560 x 1440 @ 120 Hz.

    Load up FarCry 3 and check out new FPS. 55? Wtf... GPU 1 temp going up, GPU 1 mem usage up. GPU 2 sitting idle. Ah hell, SLI was disabled when installing the new driver. Back over 100 FPS. Someone was asking earlier I think too, at 1440p with everything on, single monitor, PrecisionX shows the game not ever using more than 1056 MB of memory.

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    Looking to build a computer for my sister for christmas. She doesn't play games or anything, just needs a basic functioning computer that's fast for day to day tasks (college student) Last time I even looked this stuff up was about two years ago when I built my last one, so I went through looking at newegg stuff and reviews and came up with this, thoughts? Edit. ugh, newegg used to look differently, let me put product names. The budget was $800 which included a monitor and a mouse (not linked) I came in at $760 total (about $550 for the build itself) not counting Windows which i'll throw in for christmas. I opted for windows seven instead of eight. Thoughts?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289
    LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148697
    Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130534
    EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139028
    CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Suppl

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314
    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

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    GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

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    Drop the 9800GT, get her an i3 Ivybridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brekk View Post
    Drop the 9800GT, get her an i3 Ivybridge.
    Power, performance, and IGP are all better with IB, but it sounds like she won't need it or notice, and with rebates his CPU/mobo is $215. It will be another $20 or $40 for i3 IB, depending on the IGP. You could save maybe $25-$50 by going AMD APU/mobo and again she probably wouldn't notice and is worth it if it means SSD. AMD APU + SSD is better than Intel CPU and HDD for general usage.

    Drop the 9800gt as she won't need a discrete GPU (can always add later) for web/office/media. You don't need 600 watts either, but with the code and rebate the price is fine. I'd also a look at swapping the HDD for a SSD if she can get by with 120-240GB storage.

    But... college student and an $800 budget? I would consider a laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovec View Post
    college student and an $800 budget? I would consider a laptop.
    My thought exactly. Get an ultrabook. This one has a $100 rebate.

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    Catleap OCs are available again from 120hz.net in case anyone was looking. $719 for regular and $819 for pixel perfect I think.

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    Thanks for input, i'll keep it as is minus the video card then. I know the power supply is alittle on the high side, but for the price it really doesn't matter. I won't be saving much if anything. As far as the laptop, she wants to learn to build her own computer and shes all artsy and stuff and wants to paint the case etc. So i'm going to teach her.

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    any suggestions for a mini-tower chassis? I'm considering the Corsair 300r. it's mini-tower, but the drive cages have a gap for full length cards. I'm always getting new video cards through work to test, and typically need a full tower to suppport the lengths. I've never seen a mini-tower with these super long cards in mind before. I had to get a Cosmos tower for my 7970, takes up more space than my mini fridge.

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    Mini tower or mid tower? The link is a mid-tower case. All mid towers should have plenty of room for any video card that you get. A mini tower could be a completely different issue, those things are tiny.

    A mid tower case is going to fit a full ATX motherboard no problem, a lot of mini tower cases are going to need a micro-ATX/mini-ITX motherboard and could have issues with the size of expansion cards.
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    what the fuck happened?

    so I came home Sunday morning and went to turn on my PC. to my dismay, my shit was completely fucked. computer was completely unusable. it's hard to explain the state it was in, but it would constantly flicker grey (the start screen color) and fail to run shit that I tried to boot up. the more I tried the worse shit got. eventually I had to download a windows 8 .iso onto my old laptop, burn it to DVD and do a format + fresh install. luckily I didn't have to go through any bullshit to get it to reactivate using the product key.

    anyway, i'd really like to know what the fuck happened. I have two theories:

    1) (less likely) Saturday we had reset our router and had it connected unsecurely for the rest of the day. I guess it's possible that somehow that lead to my computer getting hit with a virus? pretty unlikely though since I run malwarebytes.

    2) (more likely) computer got hit by a power surge (my shit isn't in a surge protector) which resulted in a corrupted hard drive. all the hardware seems fine at the moment, so yeah I really don't know.


    anyway i'd love to her some thoughts on this.
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    Sounds more like #1 than #2. A surge wouldn't really result in a corrupt hard drive. If anything, it would fry the controller, and that would be a dead hard drive controller (but the data would still be fine if the controller were replaced).

    MWB doesn't find everything, does it? I thought it was more a malware scanner than a virus scanner. Haven't used it much.

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    i7-920, 6gb of RAM, 128gb SSD, HD5870... so if I'm looking to improve the performance a bit on this box my best bet is going with a new video card for now, no? Before just starting all over, since I went with the bleeding edge dead end architecture for some reason 3 years ago?

    I thought at one point it looked like I might even be better off upgrading my wife's PC and using that, it's a 1156-based i5-750, but apparently Newegg has 1 processor in stock that fits that CPU type.

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    the i7 920 is still a solid CPU, and very overclockable if you haven't done that yet. You could easily take that processor up to 3.4-3.5 ghz on stock cooling, and with a $20-$30 aftermarket cooler, push it to 4ghz for a really nice performance boost. A basic cooler like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065 could push you to a stable 4ghz.

    I'd probably go with a RAM upgrade too. RAM is cheap, go up to 12gb. Anything over 8 is a little bit of overkill for gaming, but you aren't quite to 8 yet so the next easy step up would be to go to 12GB.

    Beyond that, a video card upgrade would give you a performance boost too. Definitely more expensive than the above two options, but going up to the 7000-series AMD cards or 600 series NVidia cards would be a good jump. You're probably looking at having to spend $200+ to see significant performance gain with a new video card.
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    Cool beans, figured as much. Probably order that cooler today and start tinkering. It's running at stock currently.

    FWIW this is my motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131614

    As far as upgrading the RAM... if I just snag a 3x4gb kit like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231358, overkill or not, is there any reason to take out the 3x2gb I have now and just go with 18gb?

    Birthday next month, probably look at video cards around then, justify it by putting off rebuilding the whole thing for another year+, especially with next gen consoles likely late next year. Next build will probably be tinkering with a small computer/appliance htpc anyways.

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    As far as using the old ram + new, it should be fine as long as it is all the same voltage. Also with the new ram being ddr3 1600, if your old Ram is slower 1333 or something, it'll ALL run at 1333. I'd make sure the old ram is 1600 as well before re-using it with the newer ram. 12GB of 1600 will see better performance in general than 18GB of 1333.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrinsic View Post
    Catleap OCs are available again from 120hz.net in case anyone was looking. $719 for regular and $819 for pixel perfect I think.
    They're kinda pushing it with those prices. Hope it's because someone is about to release 120hz PCB's and will ruin their deal. In reality it's probably because even at 800$, it's kinda worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogusrl View Post
    They're kinda pushing it with those prices. Hope it's because someone is about to release 120hz PCB's and will ruin their deal. In reality it's probably because even at 800$, it's kinda worth it.
    Yeah, on the forum they said that the LG panels are now EOL so it'd be 4 months or so before new panels come out, then testing to see if it worked with the Catleap PCB, etc... etc... Honestly in 4+ Months there just needs to be a new U.S. source for decent priced 1440p 120 Hz, or another Korean manufacturer will pop up who has a deal. At that point if a new generation of NVIDIA/AMD cards are out maybe I'll look at upgrading and running 3x1 in portrait. But not going to drop $1600 on two more monitors right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    As far as using the old ram + new, it should be fine as long as it is all the same voltage. Also with the new ram being ddr3 1600, if your old Ram is slower 1333 or something, it'll ALL run at 1333. I'd make sure the old ram is 1600 as well before re-using it with the newer ram. 12GB of 1600 will see better performance in general than 18GB of 1333.
    Thanks, cooler and RAM (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER) will be here Thursday

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    Just built me a new rig and it's freaking awesome, even got the case custom painted! Now i'm in the need for a decent priced chair, mine is 8+ years old and it's finally going to shit, anyone have some reccomendations?


    If anyone is interested I can post pics of my new desk setup/rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekotat View Post
    Just built me a new rig and it's freaking awesome, even got the case custom painted! Now i'm in the need for a decent priced chair, mine is 8+ years old and it's finally going to shit, anyone have some reccomendations?


    If anyone is interested I can post pics of my new desk setup/rig.
    http://www.motoart.com/seating/chairs/f-4-ejection-seat

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    That's pretty badass, but far from reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meStevo View Post
    i7-920, 6gb of RAM, 128gb SSD, HD5870... so if I'm looking to improve the performance a bit on this box my best bet is going with a new video card for now, no? Before just starting all over, since I went with the bleeding edge dead end architecture for some reason 3 years ago?
    fwiw I was running a i7-920 (no OC, stock, 6GB, 570gtx) until this week. Built myself a new pc for xmas, ordered parts over blackfriday, cybermonday, etc and assembled it all this week while family was out shopping.

    To be honest I am disappoint, while it runs great I don't have that "holy shit!!" moment from logging in the first time that every past PC has given me. It doesn't "feel" that much faster. Yeah, all the specs say its ultra fast and it boots a lot faster and I'm getting 150+ fps in every new game, but it just doesn't feel that much different from my 920.

    I bought a 3820 @ 3.60, nvidia 680 gtx, 2x 240gb intel SSD, 32GB RAM, liquid cooled corsair, coolermaster 922 case - around $2500 in parts. One thing that is nice is that is insanely quiet, I bought egg carton foam and glued it to some of the areas of the case. The liquid cooling is great too, the CPU and GPU are more than 30 degrees cooler than my 920.

    So yeah, if you have a 920 I don't think you will see a huge impact from the new CPUs, maybe I will feel different once I start OCing (not sure I want to bother). Windows 8 is also taking a bit to get used to. Mostly I just did all the things that I wish I had last time, like liquid cooling and push/pull fans and noise reduction and cable management. The only time so far I have felt the system faster is when I ran wow, gw2, and TSW simultaneously - I could do it on my 920 but they would drop to 10 fps, on the 3820/680 they are all running at 60fps (vsync on) with a video playing on another monitor.

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    Overclock that 3820! There's no point in using anything beyond the stock heatsink/fan if you aren't going to overclock. With a good water cooler(did you get an H100/H100i?) could easily push that thing to 4.5-4.875ghz

    Honestly, you may not see you max average FPS in games effected much from the overclocking, but there's a good chance it keeps the low-end of your FPS higher. Average Frame Time will probably stay lower(which is good), versus average FPS, which is becoming more of a focus. A lot of CPUs and halfway decent graphics cards can push games to average over 60fps, but there can be a massive difference on how often a CPU lets a game dip below 60fps, however brief, because that's going to be a noticeable stutter.

    Decent article on the difference: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...ng-performance

    tl;dr: CPUs are more important than many of us have thought in gaming performance, FPS maybe isn't the best measuring tool anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    tl;dr: CPUs are more important than many of us have thought in gaming performance, FPS maybe isn't the best measuring tool anymore.
    I will have a testimonial to this effect when I take my 560TI out of my circa-2007 desktop (Nvidia 780i board, 1333 DDR2 RAM, Core2Quad Q6600) and move it in to a new environment (Z77 board, 1866+ DDR3 RAM, i7 3770k OC'd) on Jan 1st.

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    Far from the cheapest chair, but I won't use anything but this one:
    http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...gh-Back-Chair/

    Once you use a full-mesh chair, there's no going back. Plus, when you fart, they go straight down instead of down your leg.

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    Ok, I'm getting ready to build a new PC because the one I've got has been acting up for a while now, and this morning wouldn't boot into the BIOS until after about 10 tries. I built it back in 2007, so it's really time I just scrapped the whole thing and start over. I'm basically keeping the case and fans.

    I've got a few questions.

    1. I know on FoH people had said to stay away from certain brands of SSD's. The only one I remember that was on the "good" list was Intel. I'm thinking of going with ~120, so anyone got any recommendations?

    2. Video cards. I'm wanting to spend maybe $150 or so.

    3. I'm going to need a new PSU. I'm getting an i5 Ivy 77W CPU, 8Gb (2x4) RAM, 2 SATA hard drives and an SSD (above), and whatever is recommended for video card. What wattage, and what make? I have used a Corsair PSU for a long time and it's held up well, but I don't know if they're still legit.

    I've also got $150 in gift cards from Newegg, so if there are any accessory type things you could recommend (mouse maybe?), that'd be awesome too. Oh, and finally, I've been using a hacked copy of Windows 7 for...well, forever. I'm thinking of finally going legit, and wondering if I should go with 7 or 8. I've only seen 8 on an HTPC and it looked pretty awful. I haven't worked in IT in several years, so I don't keep up with this stuff anymore. I appreciate the help!

    Also, posting below what I've got so far if anyone wants to tell me I'm retarded and to get something else:

    MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157304
    CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116506
    RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314
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    Quote Originally Posted by Df~ View Post
    Not sure if this should be in the desktop or laptop section...

    In either case:

    Looking for a 256GB SSD.

    Either an Intel or a Samsung (from what I been reading, they are pretty good, even if a big expensive).

    I wont be able to actually use it until the end of February, however, I can purchase it at anytime.

    Any good time to buy or ugprades coming out in the near future I should plan my purchase around?
    OCZ have some really good value SSDs at the moment. I ordered one of these yesterday, but it wont arrive until january.

    http://www.ebuyer.com/353112-ocz-256...x4-25sat3-256g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    1. I know on FoH people had said to stay away from certain brands of SSD's. The only one I remember that was on the "good" list was Intel. I'm thinking of going with ~120, so anyone got any recommendations?
    There seems to be a lot of negative press about OCZ but honestly you aren't likely to get a "bad" SSD these days so long as you keep your firmware up to date. I can personally recommend the Samsung 830 and the Crucial M4 because I've used both, but that doesn't mean a Kingston HyperX or an OCZ won't serve you just as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    2. Video cards. I'm wanting to spend maybe $150 or so.
    The best cards in that range are the Nvidia 560ti 1GB and the Radeon HD 7850 1GB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    3. I'm going to need a new PSU. I'm getting an i5 Ivy 77W CPU, 8Gb (2x4) RAM, 2 SATA hard drives and an SSD (above), and whatever is recommended for video card. What wattage, and what make? I have used a Corsair PSU for a long time and it's held up well, but I don't know if they're still legit.
    Newegg has a power supply calculator that can give you a rough idea. If you never plan to have more than 1 video card, something in the 550-650W range should do fine. I wouldn't go short of 720W for SLI/Crossfire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    I've also got $150 in gift cards from Newegg, so if there are any accessory type things you could recommend (mouse maybe?), that'd be awesome too. Oh, and finally, I've been using a hacked copy of Windows 7 for...well, forever. I'm thinking of finally going legit, and wondering if I should go with 7 or 8. I've only seen 8 on an HTPC and it looked pretty awful. I haven't worked in IT in several years, so I don't keep up with this stuff anymore. I appreciate the help!
    Get your power supply from Newegg. Power supplies are one of the more prone-to-fail-outta-nowhere items. If that happens to you in the next few weeks, you want the ease of the Newegg RMA. They can turn it around in 2-3 days. I just got this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    Also, posting below what I've got so far if anyone wants to tell me I'm retarded and to get something else:

    MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157304
    CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116506
    RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314
    You'll get good performance on the dollar for those components, especially if you're coming from a Core2Quad+DDR2 like I am. If you live near a Micro Center and feel you might do some overclocking, I would throw an extra 30$ at a Z77 Motherboard and get the i5-3570k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfen View Post
    Far from the cheapest chair, but I won't use anything but this one:
    http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...gh-Back-Chair/

    Once you use a full-mesh chair, there's no going back. Plus, when you fart, they go straight down instead of down your leg.

    We had some non highback versions at work for awhile and I hated them, is this one actually comfortable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barellron View Post
    There seems to be a lot of negative press about OCZ but honestly you aren't likely to get a "bad" SSD these days so long as you keep your firmware up to date. I can personally recommend the Samsung 830 and the Crucial M4 because I've used both, but that doesn't mean a Kingston HyperX or an OCZ won't serve you just as well.
    The reputation for crapware OCZ cultivated is no myth; high costs of warranty returns cost the founder his company. This isn't to say they aren't working on getting their shit together with their new products, but it's too early to tell.

    Beyond that, for SSD's: anything Intel, Samsung 830's (many reports of 840's being flaky), Crucial M4's. Further, it seems the industry as a whole is getting their shit together in terms of reliability, but I'm only referring to products that I've used.

    As far as firmware is concerned, always let other people beta test them before jumping in. Crucial released a blooper over the summer, so even the big guys can fuck up every now and again. If it ain't broken, don't fix it really applies well to BIOS and other firmware updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barellron View Post

    I picked up this Z77 the other day and it has one of the coolest lighting features I've ever seen, it went really well with my red/black setup. I can post pictures if you're interested.


    I also grabbed the OCZ 128gb SSD prior to reading all the bad reviews and was worried it would suck, so far no issues but it's only been a few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barellron View Post
    If you live near a Micro Center and feel you might do some overclocking, I would throw an extra 30$ at a Z77 Motherboard and get the i5-3570k.
    Can't recommend Microcenter enough for buying your processor + motherboard, if you live near one. Regardless of what you buy, and how much they cost, you get a $40 instant discount for purchasing a processor+mobo together from them. Not to mention they generally sell processors dirt cheap for some reason. A month ago I bought my i5 3570k from Microcenter, and it was $169 there as opposed to $215ish from both Newegg and Tigerdirect. The savings on the processor and the $40 off bonus damn near paid for my $105 ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 motherboard.

    About the only reason Microcenter wouldn't be the best deal is if you're spending $500+ on a processor + motherboard, then the no sales tax of buying online would outweigh the $40 off at Microcenter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekotat View Post
    We had some non highback versions at work for awhile and I hated them, is this one actually comfortable?
    Comfort is the reason I love it so much.

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    I'll 2nd the mesh chair recommendation. I bought a Herman Miller Aeron off of Craigslist(normally retail for about $700, got it for $250 new on Craigslist), and it's the best chair I've ever owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    I'll 2nd the mesh chair recommendation. I bought a Herman Miller Aeron off of Craigslist(normally retail for about $700, got it for $250 new on Craigslist), and it's the best chair I've ever owned.
    We have the same ones at work and god damn they are a dream.

    Wish I could have one at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    I'll 2nd the mesh chair recommendation. I bought a Herman Miller Aeron off of Craigslist(normally retail for about $700, got it for $250 new on Craigslist), and it's the best chair I've ever owned.
    Can't hide farts.

    Bad chair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekotat View Post
    I picked up this Z77 the other day
    Very cool. The next machine I build is going to be either MicroATX or Mini ITX. What kind of case are you putting that in?

    So everything has arrived now and I'm picking up my processor next weekend when I'm closer to Micro Center. This motherfucker is huge, glad I decided to go with a slightly wider case. Hopefully I'm not sitting on any DOA items. Will post some pictures in the new year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence View Post
    Can't hide farts.

    Bad chair.
    Ass cushion doesn't smell like ass after years of farting in it

    Good chair

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    Herman Millers are the best, but too expensive. I call the $400 Office Depot chair a poor man's version of it. The OD chair used to be $299 but they raised the price for whatever reason.

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    The one I bought on Craigslist pretty much had to be stolen. Guy on the phone asks me how many I want...Uhh, I just want one for $250. No idea how many he actually had. Meet him in a parking lot and the van he drives up in isn't worth as much as the chair is at full price. Was brand new though, unassembled, still in plastic. I didn't ask where he got it, I just wanted my cheap chair

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    I have a computer I built back in 2008. Just wondering what your guys' thoughts are in where the bottle neck would be:

    Mobo: EVGA X58 SLI LE http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813188074
    CPU: Intel Core i7 920 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...16819115202CVF
    RAM: Corsair Dominator DHX+ 1600MHZ 6 1 gig sticks CM3X1G1600C8D Can't find a link for it.
    Video Card: Nvidia GTX 670 Just upgraded from a nvidia gtx 285 a couple months ago. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39375
    Power: Antec 850 watt cant fina a link.
    HD: Western Digital 300gig 10k rpm + a tera byte 7200 rpm storage drive

    also got a scyth kabuto cpu cooler on the cpu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyholetsgo View Post
    I have a computer I built back in 2008. Just wondering what your guys' thoughts are in where the bottle neck would be:

    Mobo: EVGA X58 SLI LE http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813188074
    CPU: Intel Core i7 920 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...16819115202CVF
    RAM: Corsair Dominator DHX+ 1600MHZ 6 1 gig sticks CM3X1G1600C8D Can't find a link for it.
    Video Card: Nvidia GTX 670 Just upgraded from a nvidia gtx 285 a couple months ago. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39375
    Power: Antec 850 watt cant fina a link.
    HD: Western Digital 300gig 10k rpm + a tera byte 7200 rpm storage drive

    also got a scyth kabuto cpu cooler on the cpu.
    What res? Honestly it's still pretty solid if you are OC'ing that CPU. RAM and SSD are what I would upgrade next. If you are heavily into a few games that are really CPU limited (most blizzard games) you might consider a CPU upgrade.

    It really comes down to your budget and expectations.

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    Get a SSD as your boot drive and go up to 12 gigs of DDR3 1600 RAM and call it good. Those are the only 2 upgrades I would consider that would give a noticeable performance boost. Your 670 is obviously still great, and an i7 920 is still perfectly servicable CPU, especially if you overclock it. Maybe buy a $30 after-market cooler like the EVO 212(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103099) and bump that processor up from 2.66 ghz to maybe 3.4 or 3.5, should be easily reachable with a halfway decent cooler. Heck, I'd bump it up to 3.0 or 3.2 on stock cooling and you'd be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovec View Post
    What res? Honestly it's still pretty solid if you are OC'ing that CPU. RAM and SSD are what I would upgrade next. If you are heavily into a few games that are really CPU limited (most blizzard games) you might consider a CPU upgrade.

    It really comes down to your budget and expectations.
    Thanks. Haven't really delved into the OC'ing world with my cpu yet. Might give that a try.

    I got a 22" monitor. 1680x1050 res.

    I think im need of new ram and a ssd.

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    For anyone interested, here is the year-end CPU roundup from Tomshardware:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ison,3370.html

    3DMark(gaming estimation) specifically:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfen View Post
    Comfort is the reason I love it so much.
    Guess I'll have to go check one out. Thanks Wolfen!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barellron View Post
    Very cool. The next machine I build is going to be either MicroATX or Mini ITX. What kind of case are you putting that in?

    So everything has arrived now and I'm picking up my processor next weekend when I'm closer to Micro Center. This motherfucker is huge, glad I decided to go with a slightly wider case. Hopefully I'm not sitting on any DOA items. Will post some pictures in the new year.
    That one I linked has a cool ass thin LED light that runs from the bottom of the board about halfway up. You can't even see it on the PCB when it's not on, not to mention the non DOS based BIOS and all the cool little features like resetting the bios from the rear ports etc. I'll post some night pics when I get home tomorrow night.

    As for the case I'm using I took my old Chieftec Dragon that I purchased back in 99 and had a friend do a wicked custom paint job on it, the paint is polished so well it's like looking into a mirror. I also included a pic of my setup so far, I'm not finished yet, but the cable management is turning out pretty well, I just need to find someone with a sheet metal break for the back of the case and I need to solder and hide all the fan cables in the case as well as figure out something for my cell phone charger routing.

    How the case looked before
    Yellow_Chieftec_Dragon_1275.jpg

    Dat reflection
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    Color Scheme (Black/Red/White and all the fans are Red LED as well as the IKEA Red backvlighting behind the monitor)
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    The entire setup so far
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    Found 2 more pics in the cloud.

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    case shine.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekotat View Post
    Guess I'll have to go check one out. Thanks Wolfen!
    I don't think they sell that model in their stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfen View Post
    I don't think they sell that model in their stores.
    There is a giant office chair outlet near my home, I'm going to go see what they have in terms of mesh.

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    I am building a new PC. I'm using a 3970X processor, but looking for a great motherboard for it - any recommendations? I've generally only had ASUS in the past, but am open to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyholetsgo View Post
    Thanks. Haven't really delved into the OC'ing world with my cpu yet. Might give that a try.

    I got a 22" monitor. 1680x1050 res.

    I think im need of new ram and a ssd.
    SSD might be the biggest upgrade you ever buy for your computer. We have pretty different setups, but similar problems. My build is a page or two back.. i7-920, 6gb of RAM, already have an SSD and have an older video card and run 2 montiors at 1900x1080/1200.

    Picked up 12gb of RAM and an one version of the Hyper212 linked above... will put them in when I get over the idea of pulling my motherboard out to install the backplate. Probably look to get a nicer graphics card in the next month or two. A 670 on Slickdeals tonight for $280 after rebate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    For anyone interested, here is the year-end CPU roundup from Tomshardware:
    I have a 3570k and am happy with it. Runs cool at 3.9 ghz with the standard intel heatsink. Most people I know who built new systems this year also went for the 3570k, and I have not heard any complaints.

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    Yeah the 3570k is definitely the best balance of price/performance right now. Can't beat a sub-$200 processor that can easily be bumped up by about 500mhz on stock cooling and a good 1ghz more with a fairly cheap after-market cooler.

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    Kind of at a good to have decision, and I could use some advice.

    For Christmas I received a $300 gift card for Microcenter.

    My Rig to date:

    i2500k @ 4.5 Ghz
    8 Gb Ram
    GTX 570 EVGA Superclocked card
    Nice sound system for headphones and speakers

    Basically everything runs very well even on max settings. Which leaves me to a decision.

    A while back I had asked about Video cards. I could now either upgrade the GTX 570 to a GTX 680, or, I could grab a 512 Gb SSD drive and load a ton of games on it and increase my load times. Currently, my OS is on a 60 Gb Crucial M4 SSD Drive and is lightning fast.

    As of right now I am trying to make the decision. Joeboo what would you do?

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    My opinion on video card upgrades always comes back to what resolution you are gaming at? If you are at 1920x1080 or below, Id probably stick with the 570 for a bit longer. Very few games currently are going to use more than 1gig of video ram at 1080p resolution and below. The further over 1080p that you go, the more a 670(I'm assuming you meant 670 and not 680, as 670s can be had for close to $300, 680s are like $450+) is going to be a difference. At a resolution like 2560x1440 a 670+ is going to run circles around a 570, but at lower resolutions the gap isn't nearly as drastic. At 1080p you might see a 15-20% performance gain in going up to a 670, while at 1440p it might be 100% gain or more.

    It's a tough call on the best use of that $300, as your PC is still pretty solid overall. I'd maybe think about sitting on it for a month or two and see what prices do in 2013. SSDs just keep dropping further and further. 2nd quarter 2013 should see the release of the next generation of video cards, AMDs 8000 series cards should start hitting the market in Spring, and thats bound to drive down the price of everything else. You might see the price of video cards in general drop significantly in a few months in anticipation of a new generation. Basically, I have a suspician that unless the $300 is burning a hole in your pocket, if you wait a couple months you might be able to get BOTH a 670 and a 256gig SSD or something. I love my 180GB Intel SSD thats in my new computer, and while having your OS on a SSD is a game-changing experience, having a game on one isn't nearly as big of a deal. How often do most modern games stop to load anymore? Something like Skyrim or Far Cry 3 really only stops to load when you fast travel, otherwise the world loads seamlessly as you play and move and the SSD doesn't really enhance that any. It isn't going to give you better framerates. Yeah, you save a few seconds when you first start the game, but your playing experience really isn't enhanced much.
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    Thanks joeboo. Yeah still running a max res of 1920X1200. So not that far off from the 1080p mark. Everything seems to run very well, even Far Cry 3 is below my 1.2 Gb Vram mark.

    Maybe I should grab a good joystick for Planetside 2 and save the rest until next year as you recommend.

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    You really can't go wrong with an SSD, it'll always be damn useful, I just have a feeling they are going to keep dropping pretty drastically in price like they have been for the last 6 months. I'd hate to see you spend $320 or so on a 512GB drive if it ends up being $100 less than that in 2-3 months. It's just crazy how far the prices on them have plummeted, and I'm not sure if they are done doing so yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    You really can't go wrong with an SSD, it'll always be damn useful, I just have a feeling they are going to keep dropping pretty drastically in price like they have been for the last 6 months. I'd hate to see you spend $320 or so on a 512GB drive if it ends up being $100 less than that in 2-3 months. It's just crazy how far the prices on them have plummeted, and I'm not sure if they are done doing so yet.
    Yeah I have been watching my 60 Gb which is now the same price as most 128 Gb and that has been in the last 6 months. I have a 1 Tb Drive that is pretty well filled now. About 100 Gb remaining. Maybe I should take a peak at upgrading my storage drive.

    Come to think of it, I can do that relatively cheaply and then clone my existing 1 TB drive which is quite old. I would most likely go with a 2-4 Tb Drive. Any recommendations on that front? I am finding myself uninstalling games lately and replacing them with fewer and fewer options as they get larger. (UEFI Bios and Win 7 Pro 64 bit)
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    SSD's absolutely are the best upgrade you can perform. I had an older Dell laptop laying around that ran like shit. It has a Core2 duo and 4 gigs of ram. I installed an SSD and fresh Win8 and now it flies like never before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeboo View Post
    Yeah the 3570k is definitely the best balance of price/performance right now. Can't beat a sub-$200 processor that can easily be bumped up by about 500mhz on stock cooling and a good 1ghz more with a fairly cheap after-market cooler.
    Those better Ivy OCs often have had the shitty TIM Intel used between die and IHS replaced (or simply delidded). Sandy doesn't have this issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utnayan View Post
    A while back I had asked about Video cards. I could now either upgrade the GTX 570 to a GTX 680, or, I could grab a 512 Gb SSD drive and load a ton of games on it and increase my load times. Currently, my OS is on a 60 Gb Crucial M4 SSD Drive and is lightning fast.

    As of right now I am trying to make the decision. Joeboo what would you do?
    If you add a new SSD you can put that 60gb to work as a SRT cache if your mobo supports it (z68/z78), or just use something like Steam Mover (which just automates junctions) and run your current favorite games off of the 60GB.

    SSD prices are dropping, but much of that is due to 20/22nm NAND, so the prices will stabilize a bit in 2013.

    I'd recommend keeping the 570 too, but one thing to keep in mind is resale. You'll get more for the 570 now then when the 8000 or 700 series are out.
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    is it important to turn off search indexing and disk restore imaging with a SSD? I had read that elsewhere, was curious.
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