"Here's dinner, eat it or starve." What ages? I got a toddler so it's fairly easy thus far /shrug
How do you manage to get a kid to eat decent food, instead of all this
pre made fatty crap the push down their throats, through tv ads & such???
There have been multiple discussions about this in the Cooking thread from people who have kids and I don't, but there have been a number of studies on the way we form tastes and a lot of it basically psychological and experience, if we have to keep eating something we'll start liking it. So advertisers have you beat here, they are professionals at convincing people. Easiest solution is don't let your kids watch advertisements. Which is something I'm already planning on how to handle limiting that. Ad-block, downloaded shows, etc., will prevent a ton of advertising getting to my kids. Then you can bribe them. Once they've eaten whatever was "disgusting" 10-15x because you gave them something for doing it, it won't be gross anymore and they'll actually like it.
I remember my parents would say "eat this or go to bed hungry."
That only had to happen once or twice. Sure, there is some stuff I'll never love and refused to eat (hello peas), but for the majority of my life I was a pretty good eater. The problem is we're living in a nation of pussies now where every child needs a personalized menu, and god forbid you need to discipline your child or make them go without food for a meal.
A lot of it is exposing them to a variety of different foods when they are younger. The more varied a diet you have as a child, the more you are likely to enjoy a variety of different foods as an adult.
I think a lot of it just depends on whether or not your kid decides to rebel by refusing to eat stuff. Having a kid that won't eat is a bitch, but for the sake of society you can't give in. I know too many adults that still eat like 5 year olds because their parents never made them eat anything that they didn't want to and I find them nearly unbearable to eat with. One of the worst people I know is a woman whose mother not only never made her eat anything, but her father also refused to eat anything. They would have dinner parties and her mother would cook for the guests and then make fucking hot dogs or something for her husband and daughter. It's like they were purposely programming her to be a narcissistic asshole and they really hit it out of the park.
I fully believe what The Master said about trying things a bunch of times though. Even as an adult I know that even if I don't care for something the first time I try it that I will learn to like it if I keep tasting it over and over. It worked for coffee, beer, and sushi and I absolutely live a fuller life for making the effort to learn to like those things which I was grossed out by the first time I tried them.
I also think that kids take cues from their parents. If Mom and Dad are excited about trying new things then the kid will want to get in on it. Alton Brown claims that all he ever had to do with his daughter is tell her that she wouldn't like (insert thing he was eating) and it wasn't for kids and then she would instantly be dead set on trying it and she would pretend to like it even if she didn't just to prove him wrong.
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Repetition. We talk about healthy food choices all the time. Limiting sugar and processed crap. Avoiding fast food. We try to buy local bread with just a few ingredients, local produce and meat. My 11 year-old shot his first deer this year, a huge buck, and so our freezer is full of lean healthy venison. Well, not so full now.
Our kids are 7 and 11. While they love their deserts, cheeseburgers, wings, stuff like that on occasion, they also readily eat and enjoy sweet potatoes, broccoli, asparagus, squash, apples, fish, almonds, venison, and lots of other healthy whole foods.
I think it is important, as they say, is to shop on outside of row of the grocery and avoid all the processed crap on the inside. McDonald's should be like fair food. Eat it once or twice per year.
As a parent, you have to be committed to it because it takes persistence.
We cook pretty much every night so our 3 year old gets a plate of whatever we are eating. She is really good about trying everything, and if there is something that she doesn't like, she doesn't have to eat it. If she doesn't like anything that we are serving, we usually have bread and some sort of salad that she can pick at. Really the only rule that we have is that she has to sit at the table with us while we eat. Even on the worst nights she usually starts eating something out of boredom.
Also we use bribery. She gets a York Peppermint Patty if she does well at dinner.
They talked about this on NPR a while back and they basically said what a couple of you mentioned: Start early or provide incentives to eating/trying the food. Never, ever force a child to "finish their plate" because that can lead to obesity.
Course I grew up in the 70's and have no kids of my own to try and feed but I was blessed our cook was my father so I always had spaghetti with meatballs and garlic bread, or hamburgers with homemade potato salad or mashed potatoes, or pasta dishes. Even the greens always had bacon bits and butter. He even made the deserts mostly casserole type stuff like peach/apple/berry cobblers. Overall very little fried foods though and hardly ever fast food( outside of KFC nights back then ). Most of what he made was a mans version of every dish, the meatloaves were meaty and bacon was used on many things. Never had issues with the dinner!
I gotta ask, Olebass. Are you overweight? :P
I was 155lbs with no fat until I was 28 years old, then I slowly crept up to 180s which I remained for about 10 years until the weight now.
Don't think what I ate when I was a kid impacted me much now. More the conditions around me. I'm slowly working myself back down to 190 at about 1-2 lbs a month.
I always did. I had a dirt bike at like age 8 and I rode that thing like 10 hours a day in the summer, then in HS working out leg press was always my favorite then I jumped into roofing in HS as well and did that solid into my 30s up till a few years ago. I used to leg press around 600-700 lbs back then as a skinny teen.
Yeah. Max leg press I can do is sadly 640. :|
I'll echo what others have said, make them try it (even if they don't eat a portion) or give them a smaller portion if it is new or if it is something they aren't that fond of. Example, my daughters like opposite vegetables (one likes cauliflower, hates broccoli the other is the opposite - carrots and peas etc) so I rotate through those and the one that doesn't like it as much gets a smaller portion - and if they both eat it then they can have some form of dessert (yogurt, fruit, maybe some pudding or something else actually dessert). After a while of doing this it gets easier, the one that doesn't like it will eat it np even if it isn't their favorite. I think a lot of this stems from making them try everything when they were younger and not pushing them to eat a ton of it if they don't.
Also, agree with not making them clean up their plate, I do however remind them that if they don't eat all of their dinner then obviously nothing else to eat for the evening (this can also work for things they don't like as much, of course more effective if you have a dessert planned).
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My kid is way too healthy of an eater. Last night she had callower, broccoli, shicken, roasted potato. For lunch she had cucumber, tomotos, cottage cheese. I don't know what my wife did.
She's 14 months.
EDIT: I already know BMI isn't meant to be applied to an individual, blah blah blah. The top 5 percent of the nation give the other 95 percent an excuse to ignore an easy metric.
Some of that shit is bullshit though. Im 6'2" and my "healthy" weight based on that is supposed to be like 169 or some shit. LOL, I would look like a concentration camp victim at that weight. Im overweight now for sure at 220. but I would give myself 200 to be a good weight. Anything below that, people start wondering if im sick or some shit. (Yes, I have been at 185 in the past)
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203 is considered normal 224 is obese? Maybe if I sat on the couch all day and ate fried chicken.
My doctor tells me not to go under 190, and shoot for 200 given my muscle mass and to stay under it. At the current rate I've been losing it, I expect it to take another year. I could do it far sooner if I changed some habits like eating more often instead of one massive meal at night but my stomach never could handle food well in the day if I get hot.
My parents always tricked me into eating new things. They would serve something like pot roast and they wouldn't give me green beans or whatver new thing I hadn't eaten before and explain that "this food is for adults and I wouldn't like it". Which of course made me protest till they gave it to me and I would eat it even if I didn't like it because I wanted adult food!
Originally Posted by Noodleface
It wasn't my intention to bring in a conversation of obesity or anything like that. It was just a mere question because you ate a ton of carbohydrates when you were younger. That's all.
Back on topic: I was very, very picky growing up. I'm 28 now and it's going away over time. There are some things I still will not eat: Lamb, pork, duck, ketchup, mayonnaise, and a few other things. But, slowly expanding the horizons! :P
Start early. Tastes are formed very young. So all the flavors of gerber when they're still too young to give you any damn backtalk.
If you're already past that stage then eat it or starve usually works. They won't actually starve. Unless it's a girl... maybe she will starve herself just out of spite. A boy will get hungry and cave. Girls are fucked up. Bribery I guess.
I hate fish. Like really do hate it. We never had fish growing up. It's not even that fish tastes bad. It tastes perfectly fine when I eat it. It's the smell of fish that grosses me out. It's a physical reaction. It just doesn't smell -right-. That's the thing that forms in childhood, that "taste" for food.
Except sushi. Yall fuckers are just disgusting eating that raw-ass fish. Feed that mess to your kids and I'll call protective services on you.
Yeah I used to be a picky eater as well. I hated anything other then cheese and pepperoni on a pizza, Now? throw the works on that bitch. Same with Chinese food. I remember as a kid my parents used to take me out to Chinese all the time and I could not stand anything other than some chicken pieces. Now? fuck, I like all that shit.
I dont force my kids to eat anything. I remember how I felt when my mom used to force shit down my throat all the time (not literally) and how I hated it and it made me that much more determined not to eat that shit EVER.
I just dont buy the stupid food, like the snacks, the sugary or salty carb filled crap. Its just not around my house. So its either eat good food that we cook or have around or dont eat at all. Trust me kids wont starve. Just dont give in to their whining. I know plenty of parents in my circle of friends that do just that. Buying their kids dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets and cooking them hot dogs at their whim because they wont eat anything else. Like one of the above posters said, you eat what we eat or you dont eat.
But for the most part my kids are all right when it comes to food. They try new shit, and they either like it or dont but at least they try it. I tell them all the time, I will not force you to eat anything you dont like, but you at least owe me to try it.
Leg presses are for pussies. Bro, do you even squat?
Kind of on topic, our kids are too skinny. We're always pushing them to eat more.
They're both skin and bones. My 11yo was 60 pounds for several years, up until the last few months when he put on another 10 pounds due to a growth spurt. He does Tae Kwon Do, Sailing, and is about to play his third year of football and is still super skinny. How do I put some weight on the kid in a healthy way? He hates whole milk and chocolate milk. Too rich.
Fucking bacon? Seriously?
Damn bro, you live a tasteless life.
I want to let my kids have shit, I feel sorry for some of the kids my kids play with who don't know what an Oreo tastes like or have never had real cake. That shit is bananas. So I try and make deals with my kids. You want a piece of chocolate? Eat some potatoes. Want a cookie? Eat ALL of your broccoli.
Even then it doesn't always work perfectly. My kids go through phases. When my oldest was 14 months like Draegan's kid, I was in the same boat as him. We were doing it right, she would eat anything, it was great. Now she just refuses to eat random things. But she will eat a whole bowl full of broccoli if you give it to her. Or raw peppers and carrots, she would eat plates full of them. Not cooked though. No potatoes in any form. Rice only when heavily bribed.
My mantra now is that you have to try everything on the plate. You don't have to eat it all, stop when you're full. But try everything. And I bribe them. But I call it "incentivizing".
What chaos said. That is what we do too.
"It eats the brussel sprouts or it gets the hose."
Also, I can't believe Kuriin doesn't like mayo.
Don't feed or keep processed shit in your house.
You will tend to like what you grew up eating. That doesn't mean they'll be asking for seconds of broccoli but they'll have healthy habits.
Dont get me wrong, we buy cookies and whatever. Its jut an odd treat, not something we buy all the time. Yeah, dont have that shit around the house and they cannot eat it.
Well, we pretty much keep sweets in the house. But we try and ration it out. There's nothing wrong, in my mind, of giving my daughter a treat of an Oreo after a relatively healthy meal with a lean protein, some kind of starch, and vegetable. Even every day, it really isn't a big deal. I let them have a soda once every couple of weeks, and to me it is no big deal. My girls are skinny as shit and super active. We went to the zoo on Saturday, my 2 year old walked the entire 7 miles with us that day, she was unreal.
We always see these kids when we're out though that make me wonder wtf is wrong with people. At the mall the other day saw a kid that couldn't be older than 5 eating a pretzel and drinking a soda as big as her head, and I would be shocked if she weighed less than 50 lbs. her parents are fucking killing her and it is sad.
The problem for us, chaos, is that our kids are older. So they know where we keep that shit and they start sneaking it. Trust me, buy a box of cheetos or cheese-its, and that shit would be gone within a couple of days. So this is why we just dont have it around. Same with pop and juices. Odd treat. Its water or some tea or milk or whatever. My kids are fit and healthy, but still that shit is just not good for them.
I grew up eating vegetables with every meal and quite a good diet. I hated it every second and to this date I only willingly eat green beans, green peas, or corn for my veggies. I have tried again and again to eat the vegetables I grew up eating and can't do it still.
Our kids eat good food and given the option they do ok with making good choices on that. No different eating habits than when I grew up. I don't eat half the stuff at the dinner table they do.
The point is that it isn't just as simple as not having any 'bad' food around the house. It isn't just as simple as feeding them vegetables and they automatically like it.
One thing I suggest with a grain of salt and YMMV greatly on it. We tried the rationing of sweets and it just appeals to their psyche that the minute they are at a friend's house or somewhere else they go apeshit for all of that stuff or sneak it from vending machines etc. It just backfired on more people than I knew it worked on. Maybe all my friends and me have defective children though.
Number one point all people/kids are different there isn't a right or wrong answer. I don't have any answers. Raising kids is anecdotal 100%.
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You have to explain, reiterate and reinforce the rationale behind it. Moderation.
Do like my mom did: if they don't eat for dinner, serve it again for breakfast. Cold.
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Like I said, I grew up very, very picky. We were forced by our grandmothers to eat everything on the plate or else we could not leave. Meaning, we gave a lot of food to the dog(s).
The best way to get your kids to eat different stuff is start early or as chaos said, incentivizing. You have to make eating new things fun.
I've also found it helpful to have my 3 year old daughter help with meal prep. Here is a picture from earlier tonight of her trying not to cut her fingers off...
Vicodin next to the wine glass.... Gonna be a good night.
Originally Posted by Noodleface
My son at 4 and a half is impossible. As a toddler, he ate everything. Now he refuses to eat anything healthy. Everything I try to give him, he will put it in his mouth, gag, then throw up. Won't eat fruit, won't eat veggies, won't even eat roasted potatoes, only French fries.
His diet is turkey bacon, waffles, peanut butter and jelly, keilbasa, chicken and French fries, or pizza.
Our nutrition professor said that kids/toddlers who eat everything early on are very prone to becoming picky eaters later on in life.
- This is dinner. No I am not making something different for you. You don't have to clean your plate...but you do have to try some of everything and sit there until everyone is done. So while we're having a family dinner, who did you play with at school today?
- This is your snack. It is *NOT* a reward. It is a supplemental source of energy and/or protein. Maybe it's a Clif bar today...maybe it's a ice cream sandwich tomorrow.
- This is why we eat this way.....so you don't end up at 5'10" 270# on Jerry Springer talking about how you're "healthy fat". These are the health benefits. You know your buddy Rollo that can't play soccer because he can't run? You know that shot you blocked in goal last week? That is hard evidence of why we don't eat junk all the time.
Food is fuel. It is not an emotional crutch. It is not a reward. Sometimes you get something you enjoy, sometimes you get something you dislike. Grow up and deal with it. It is amazing how quickly and easily kids adapt to this when it's presented in a rational manner with no room for weaseling out. That doesn't mean you have to be an ass...just be a loving parent instead of their 'buddy'. For years we've played the game of the different odd things we've eaten or foods from different countries.
I have seen a lot of people say similar things, and I don't really get what the problem is about having food be a reward. A reward isn't something you get every day, a reward is something you occasionally get. Saying to a kid, or an adult, that eating well will be rewarded with some crazy junk that they like, to me that is encouraging.
We're in the middle of potty training our daughter. My wife set aside "snacks" for her for every time she does well. A single fig newton cookie, a peanut butter cracker, a small box of raisins or a single peanut m&m or a piece of dried mango. She gets to choose which one she wants. She rarely has any accidents anymore, and even when she's wearing a diaper, she won't pee until she's able to use a toilet.
I'm glad my wife read up on doing rewards for that. I never would have come up with that on my own.
Just treat them like dogs. "Go potty,"
And make sure to smack them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper when they make a mess
I've also heard that also saying "bad" and "dirty" in a stern voice when she has an accident is quite good for the learning process. And never leaves psychological scarring. confirm/deny?
Reward a kid with sweets and they get a 5 minute rush. Reward a kid with a trip to the park and they'll be screaming and running for an hour.
I can attest that food was used as a reward in my life for a very long time. Get 3.6 or higher GPA, out to Red Lobster for dinner, my fav restaurant at the time as a kid.
My parents also did the whole clear your whole plate thing.
I can admit now in my adult life I have huge problems with portion control, as I feel the need I have toeat everything in front of me, and I love rewarding myself with going out to eat. And to be clear, yes, I'm obese according to the BMI charts.
I think you can overdo anything, but food is related to some of my best childhood memories. Fresh baked cookies, hot cocoa, savory homemade mac and cheese, etc. idk, I don't think that is a bad thing. No matter if you give it to them as a reward or not, kids are going to associate good feelings to good food because eating it inspires those feelings. I just don't see how you can teach the concept of control without acknowledging that there are foods that are awesome that people want that should not be had every day.
At the same time, we're all going to die and fade away into nothing. Eat the brownie, don't eat the brownie, in the abyss of time it is nothing. In the now, eating the brownie is good and makes you feel good. Eating 10 brownies does not.
This week's Freakonomics Podcast is about bribing your kids.
Freakonomics Why You Should Bribe Your Kids: A New Freakonomics Radio Podcast
They reviewed some scientific studies about bribing kids to eat healthier. Conclusion: It works. They didn't really draw any conclusions on the long term effects on their character, but bribes are very effective at getting kids to eat healthier at least in the short term.
my wife and i are in the process of making our spawn, so no kid yet, but we did have a dog for 10yrs. he was a well trained dog that i rescued, i don't know how but he was a racist dog, but that was cool. he had dog food 365days a year, vet said he was one of the healthiest dogs (vet had a scale 1 for emaciated, 5 for obese, 3 for good weight, dog was always a 3, he was a 3.5 as he got older, cuz you know he was like 80 towards the end). rarely gave him human food, would never feed him scraps from our plate. (i would cook steak trimmings and chicken ass for him)
once every year or so he'd look at the food and go, WTF is this shit, and not eat.
i'd just give him the same food during meal times
by the third day he was starving and ate that dog food 365 days straight for another year.
i plan to do this to my kids.
now i'm not heartless, i know that if anyone had a dog that wouldn't eat, they'd just run to the store and cook up a steak for them, cuz fuck it, any dog will eat a steak, and just feed them.
but i see it as discipline.
i think this is the "guilt" of having something(one) you love go hungry and just giving in to giving them whatever they want (mcdonalds) as long as they have something in their tummy.
can anyone say they're susceptible to this?
also if you as kid didn't like vegetables, maybe your parents cooked horrible?
Kids are not like dogs, you will see when your spawn comes to this world. Its a love that cannot be explained but goes deeper than anything you ever felt before.
Yeah, they don't come with a meter that tells you when they are satiated. I have one daughter than it seems like I have to force to eat, and another who would eat all day nonstop if she could. And sometimes the one who doesn't eat will eat a lot and then continue to tell you she is starving. You don't really know that you aren't under/overfeeding them except for judging long term trends, but that doesn't help you in the moment. It is a weird thing.
My daughter just eats. Eats whatever you give her, forever. Then sometimes she enjoys just dumping food on the floor while looking at me saying "What the fuck are you going to do about it motherfucker, you love me and I'm cute." Then she would giggle and say Dada really fucking loud. What the fuck am I supposed to do against that?
Anyway good luck starving your kids to eat food at an early age, assuming your kids aren't ugly.
Anyway, I don't mind my daughter eating a lot, she eats like coucous and vegtables all the time.
She doesn't drink milk though. Gets a rash from it. Yogurt and shit are fine though.
I have five kids. The top four eat anything I put in front of them, and I hear them tell people that I can make anything and that everything I make, they like. I do cater somewhat to their wants, but not entirely - we rarely repeat dishes, and generally try something newish every day, and they like it. My youngest is in something like the bottom fifth percentile for weight - he's tiny, just like I was at his age. He is genuinely disinterested in food. He doesn't care, and would skip meals if we let him. We've had it all checked out by a doctor, and apparently this is not uncommon. He eats what we eat, just a lot less of it, and it requires a lot of pushing him to eat. He's truly surprised if he tastes something he likes well enough to eat a lot.
And the odd thing about this is that he thinks he has things that he loves. When we go to a restaurant, he wants to get chicken tenders and french fries. He talks about how much he wants them. Then, when they come, he's all meh, and we still have to push him to eat. Eating is a battle with him every meal, but it appears to be getting better. He's 6, and it wasn't really a problem until he was 3 1/2 or so.
However, pick your battles. All of our kids have always been huge sleepers, so we've lost pretty much no sleep having kids. I'd rather have the eating battle than sleep deprivation.
I know. I typically don't tell people that. We had to wake our kids up for night time feedings, or they would have slept 12 or 13 hours as soon as we brought them home. They all also took both morning and afternoon naps of 2 hours or so until they were 4, and continued afternoon naps until 7.
Yeah, drink that in, parents.
These days we just do what we did tonight. My 7 year old made a face when she saw what's for dinner, starts asking questions (do I have to eat this or that). Tell her it's that or no dinner tonight. Starts crying so we tell her she's excused. Of course 15 minutes later she comes back and asks if she can eat her dinner (which is sitting there, cold). I said sure, but I'm not heating that up for you.
She ate it. The prospect of not eating is a strong deterrent, at least in my house. When I was real young, we didn't have a whole lot of money so you pretty much ate what was given to you or you starve. I was forced to eat shit like eggplant and liver (which must be the worst possible thing a 7-8 year old can eat). But I ate it, because hunger pains hurt.
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Oh, and I have to say that with my youngest, not only food preparation helps - if he helps cook it, he always is more willing to eat it - but that is becoming even more true as he sees food growing. Tomatoes are some of his favourite things now, as he can go and pick them himself. He'll eat grape and cherry tomatoes by the handful, right off the plant, and who would object to that? But he's a lot more willing to eat other things, like corn, potatoes as we are harvesting them, all the fruit, zucchini, and so forth now that he's involved in the gardening that we do.
I think it's really healthy for kids to have a good knowledge of where food comes from, and I think it helps them appreciate it more.
Yeah I really want to get my kids involved in preparation, if nothing else to help me out and teach them to cook. But I am still a little leery of having my kids touch raw meat or knives. I let them help with bullshit things that just make them feel involved, like "put the chips in the cookie dough" type stuff.
My kids all have their own knife or two and cutting board - but my youngest is six, and yours are younger. We started letting them use knives next to us while we worked at about 4. Close supervision makes it pretty rewarding for them, and pretty risk free. Also, handling meat and eggs and such, and learning to wash appropriately with close supervision is not so hard. It does make cooking a whole heck of a lot slower, though.
Our middle kid is really taking to cooking, and has asked if she can be responsible to make dinner once every other week by herself. She's 11, and I doubt she's going to need a lot of help. She takes to cooking pretty naturally. Should be interesting to see what she comes up with.
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