Which one? Hasnt there been about 25 cases this year alone?
Jesus. More and more details about the parents are coming out. The guy was sexting minors the day his child died and they visited websites about living a child-free life. I hope these parents fry.
Which one? Hasnt there been about 25 cases this year alone?
Father whose son died in hot car to face Ga. grand jury - CNN.com
It does happen several times a year but in this case there are a lot of things that make it look like the dude purposely murdered the kid as opposed to it just being negligence. Stupid plan though because even if it is just negligence I think these people usually do some jail time.
Last edited by BrutulTM; 07-03-2014 at 10:56 PM.
Jesus... my wife was talking at me about this a few days ago. I originally said murder 3, but fuck this guy. Tie him to a bumper and go for a long drive.
EDIT: Had to review murder law. I guess originally I was thinking involuntary the way my wife described it (some poor sap who forgot to drop his kid off in the morning and was performing CPR on the child on his lunch. How the fuck do women get facts this wrong?)
Last edited by Remit; 07-03-2014 at 11:03 PM.
Yeah really fucked up information coming out.
I have no idea how a parent could leave their toddler in the car. They are such a huge part of your life at that stage I just can't fathom it and even if it happened about 3 minutes after leaving the car I'd have a "where the fuck is my kid" moment. Something you feel when you're away from your family on business even though they are home and safe.
As for this case his texting underage girls, combined with the wife's statement at the day care (which implies she was in on it) and the internet search history paint a pretty grim picture of what was going on with these ass holes.
Last edited by Kedwyn; 07-03-2014 at 11:03 PM.
It's amazing how worked up you people get over things like these. Like a 17th century public hanging.
Should have taken a page from all Monica's and just left.
Not only that but when the wife went to pick up the kid at day care they told her that he was never dropped off. "Ross must have left him in the car," she replied, according to Stoddard. Witnesses said they tried to tell her many other things could have happened, but Leanna Harris insisted that Ross Harris must have left the boy in the car, Stoddard said.
Not sure about anyone else but that wouldn't be my first thought / thing I'd say. Seems odd unless she was in on it from the start. Cunt.
Good luck proving intent unless he told someone or wrote something about it.
They can make 20 theories as to why he should have noticed his son in the car, that will not change the fact that the very definition of being distracted is 'not noticing things that you should notice'.
They can make 20 theories about the way he reacted to the death, that will not change the fact people react to traumatic event in totally different ways (even him trying to muster up fake tears at the police station can be brushed away as him seeing he is in trouble and trying to behave in the way he is expected to behave).
They can find 20 reasons as to why he was not a good husband, that will not change the fact that it is irrelevant for the case at hand.
I mean, even if he spent his days saying to whoever wanted to listen: 'I would be happier if my son was dead', they still would not be able to prove intent. I don't think I would want a justice system where a Freudian slip constitutes intent.
Assuming he's smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and she is too. Crazier shit has happened. These loons could have written the whole thing down somewhere, never underestimate stupidity. Plus one of them could get all guilty conscience and confess like an idiot. Hopefully if they do get away with it though the media will go all Casey Anthony MORAL OUTRAGE to get all the TV watchers in a frothing tizzy again. That would be hilarious and entertaining.
And yeah, I think I read that the judge only allowed the sexting stuff because it was a hearing to establish probable cause. That doesn't seem like it would pass muster for relevancy in a jury trial to prove murder.
Jury will crucify him though. Appeals galore, but at least he will be in prison. Dude probably thought he would get involuntary when he was searching for "surviving in prison"
My money is on wife testifying against him for immunity. That happens right? Or is there some marriage privilege that would not allow for that? Basing this all on having watched BOTH good wife AND orange is the new black, so basically a lawyer.
I'm gonna wait awhile before I get outraged about who is guilty of what or not. I simply don't trust the media or the police's side of things when it comes to something that is being used for media exploitation and ratings. Cause Zimmerman.
Originally Posted by Noodleface
this will never bring back Trayvon, the only murdered child who matters
Why didnt the kid just take off his hoody and snack on his skittles while cooling down with a brisk Arizona tea?
The mother's comments at the funeral sounded like the words of a psychopath as well.
This all depends on how many bleeding heart fags are on the jury. They won't be able to prove murder in this case unless either confess.
Anyone on bets on the outcome?
Betting a hung jury.
I'm betting he gets convicted of involuntary manslaughter, or that state's version of same. If I win I get to lock you in a car in summer for a half hour!
when they first busted this guy the local by me said that either they have video footage or eyewitness testimony that he went back and checked on his car before he went back and acted overly dramatic at discovering his son.
I think the story was he went to grab something out of his car during lunch but "never thought to check the back seat"
yeah thats it. dude is not a very good liar.
I can see it. I left a candy bar on the dashboard of a hot car one time. BOY WAS THAT A MESS!
Not as big of a mess as a dead child, but pretty annoying!
God, what if you left BOTH in the car.
Worst day ever.
If there was a damning video, he would not be pleading non guilty.
my first 2 cars were boats from the 60s and 70s (79 ford ltd station wagon and a 69 plymouth fury 4door hardtop) and whenever i checked stuff from the car i always saw both rows of seats. its literally impossible to miss a (dead)kid sitting in a back seat. if he was in the child seat that makes it even more impossible
The cops on the scene said rigor mortis had set in and the smell was overwhelming. It's hard to believe this guy got in a hot car with a dead stinking kid in it and drove several miles before noticing the smell.
witness said he noticed the boy, thought it was a porcelin doll b/c didn't move and eyes and mouth were opened. you could hear the sadness in his voice.
It's suspicious, don't get me wrong, I just am trying not to be too quick to judge here.
Didn't this guy google temperatures at when a kid dies in a car? Lol.
Both parents did, apparently.
Craziest Details in Justin Ross Harris Hot Car Death Court | Mediaite
1) Harris web-searched “how to survive in prison.”
2) Harris visited a “child-free” Reddit sub-forum, which is populated by people advocating for childless living.
3) The defendant watched this video from Dr. Ernie Ward five days before his son’s death. In the video, seen below, a veterinarian sits in a car with the windows up during 117°F weather to demonstrate how it is. Not only did Harris watch the video, he watched it twice:
4) Harris was sexting with six women not his wife while baby Cooper sat in the car the day of his death. The extent of Harris’ extramarital affairs reportedly includes sexting with women (including a teen), penis pictures being sent, and meeting with one.
5) The couple had at least one life insurance policy on the child.
6) Harris and his wife were allegedly in a bad marriage. He had a $4,000 dollar debt accrued, and was recently rejected for a job with Chick-fil-A.
The life insurance stuff doesn't make sense. I would assume there is no chance an insurance company would pay out in this circumstance.
These parents would not want me on their jury. I'd go all General Antony on their ass and shoot the fuckers in open court. Idk. Shit like this is hard to stomach to people that are actually decent parents.
I didn't know you could get life insurance, I assume it's for relatively small values that would only cover funeral costs?
So far everything is pointing to intent. Dude was in the car texting while the car smelled like death . Dude puts on a crying act but when the cops show has no emotion. Dude even got an email from the daycare during the day and yet that still didn't get him to wonder where his kid was .
One of his searches was how to survive in prison. Unfortunately, there's a big difference between surviving in prison and surviving in prison as a child murderer. Perhaps he should have googled more specifically
Google could have really helped a brother out, pretty mediocre suggestions.
Pussy bitch Draegan sold us out to MMORPG.com
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Oh and sorta fuck Tuco too.
Either way that goes, back room or front, he'll be spending some time in prison. Probably not as much as if he'd violently murdered an adult but more than involuntary manslaughter or negligence would get him.
15 years from now he might even win an appeal.
DEFINITELY do not have to have some concrete proof of intent. Juries infer it from circumstance all the time. Now if you're asking "should they be inferring it?" Different question, different answer.
Peterson is exactly what I was thinking of.
You're like a mind reader.
I think alot will depend on if they can get the parents to turn on each other, if it was conspiracy to commit murder then they were both in on it and as it gets towards trial pressure will mount that if it goes to trial they would be better taking a plea deal and selling out the other one. Seems fairly likely thats how it will end since the relationship doesnt seem exactly good, I could see the wife selling out hubby for a conspiracy charge + parole and he gets murder 1 and a needle.
Can't flimflam the zimzam.
All Szila is talking about, really, is reasonable doubt. That a thing could happen one way is no solid proof that a thing did happen one way. And then you move up the rungs to probable, and past that into "incontravertable -- there's no need for the jury to reTIRE."
You don't always -get- a smoking gun. Which I think is what juries are for. "It looks a whole hell of a lot like he did it. What say you?" Honestly you could just automate everything otherwise. I mean you really could, it's not even sci-fi anymore. They're trying to do that with traffic tickets. And I've gotten one for a car that wasn't even mine... a plate that wasn't even mine... and I called the place and they wanted 50 bucks before they'd even listen to it.
Had no trouble telling that man to go right ahead and fuck himself. And I'll notice that, years later, I still don't have any points on my license or an outstanding fine.
Fucking banditry. We do need the juries second guessing the lawyers.
Szila is saying if there's any chance this could have possibly been an accident, no matter how remote, he shouldn't be convicted. That's not what reasonable doubt means.
He then declares himself better than everyone because we want to live in a world where people who do terrible things are punished
The internet search shit is flimsy. If that was the only evidence they had then id vote not guilty as a juror. Mix that in with leaving the kid in the car all day checking on the car and not seeing him, the life insurance policies on the kid and if the death penalty was on the table i would vote guilty and recommend death by sticking him in a hot car until dead.
You're allowed to put life insurance on a kid? I didnt know this spouse i understand, u depend on one another, but life insurance on a kid is a totalone way relationship
Nope. You don't get to re-try OJ.
You can keep appealing every little thing though if it's a guilty verdict. But if you notice it's all procedural appeals. You don't get to appeal on the basis of "that jury fucked up". And I mean, I'm sure by the 3rd appeal the judges are already in the "this again?" mindset and barely even look at it. That's assuming you can even make a credible case that some procedural detail is both important and was overlooked the last two times.
If they're going to invalidate a jury they have to do it RIGHT then. I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but I think that a judge does have some discretion in the matter -- if the jury returns a verdit that is simply insane. But then, I have no doubt, that judge is gambling with his career, because every lawyer in town is going to descend on him like a pack of hyenas.
My understanding is judges can throw away a jury's verdict, they just almost never do. You'd also be opening many more doors on appeals in that case, where I don't think "stupid jury" is grounds
Generally speaking, shouldn't a case be dismissed/declared a mistrial before it gets to the point of a judge setting aside the verdict?
I remember reading about a judge deciding to lower the punitive damages awarded in a lawsuit, but that might have been a Grisham novel or some shit.
What a monica.
Can somebody confirm that he drove with the dead kid in the back ? I read about him pickong up some stuff in his car at lunch with the kid dead in the back-seat, wich is already fucked up enough, but I really can't imagine him driving around with a dead kid in the back...
Not everything on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
The thing that really pisses me off about this is that they can legally get rid of their child and have him end up in a home with people that would LOVE to have him, but instead of going that route they killed him. I guess they didn't want their friends and family finding out about giving the kid away or something, but fuck. Or was his life really worth the $20k insurance policy? Now that I have a son I just do not fucking get it.
I don't have kids and I don't get it. Murdering a child is fucking horrendous.
I think it's kind of absurd how swayed the court of public opinion has been by heresay and police "investigations". It's fucking Trayvon all over again.
He should get his day in court and hopefully the facts will come out what ever they are. Problem with cases like this is the facts show he left his kid in the car. The issue will be if you believe it was an accident or not and that is generally going to be character based. So let the wild speculation continue!
Georgia toddler's hot car death: PayPal to refund donors to family - CBS News
paypal gives refunds to those who donated to the defense fund.
also unfortunate the wife hired a lawyer named zimmerman
my take? idk i'm not a parent yet but theres a lot of circumstantial evidence based on sexting and google searches.
Yeah, but the best possible case here is that he was negligent.
Unlike Zimmerman there is no instance where it is acceptable to kill a child by exposure. It is always a failure of some kind and almost always a crime. There are very specific instances in which it is acceptable to shoot, and kill, another person.
It is similar in that there is a rush to judgement. But basically that's all violent crime reporting ever. For sure in crimes involving children. Ask an accused pedophile how fair of a trial he got. I'm sure that sometimes the innocent are accused. But, and I'm serious, can you even think of a single time?
This is also why they tried to portray trayvon as years younger than he actually was.
Can you? I was trying to think of a time when a person has been accused of molesting children and came out of it clean. I'm not going to claim I have perfect knowledge... can you offer an example that I've either forgotten or am ignorant of? I'm offering up my arm for the indian burn.
There was a case in my state with married couple and a day care when I was younger, but that shit went on for MONTHS, one of them was convicted (overturned on appeal), and it absolutely ruined the both of them.
Generally if you get accused of fucking kids you're already done. Which was the point. Guilt and Innocence matters less when it comes to children. The accusation is enough.
Those Ramsey parents did it. That was some dark shit.
Last edited by Iannis; 07-12-2014 at 08:17 AM.
And I swear to god if you say Michael Jackson i'm going to dickpunch you through the monitor.
You said the innocent are not accused not that both the innocent and guilty are ruined by the accusation tho... clearly the first statement is false and the second statement makes it even harder to tell how many innocents are accused since they don't get very fair trials.
Based on the facts I would acquit. I'd even offer to drive them home. But sure would be a shame if I had one of my dopey moments and forgot they were in the car while I stopped at the mall for 9 hours around midday. I mean, it could happen to anyone.
Well the forum was FoH I believe and no, that wasn't the case.
Huh? No, I said that I'm sure the innocent ARE accused.
Originally Posted by Iannis, 3 posts upThe inference being that the innocent are railroaded just as hard as the guilty when it comes to this sort of accusation. Specifically fucking kids, but it applies a little less stringently to killing kids as well. This tends to be an area where you do have to prove your innocence. That ain't the law, but that's sorta how it is.Originally Posted by response
It was a convoluted way to say something that simple. It was.
McMartin daycare? It was a good example of how unhinged accusers can destroy someone's life without any evidence. Should really be a lesson for everyone that, regardless of the victim, due process is imperative.
Certainly true. Plenty of crazy shit that doesn't make the news and still ruins people's lives. Plenty of accused rapes, molestation, fraud or other white collar accusations that are completely untrue and can still end up ruining people's lives. Regardless if they are found innocent on their court day or later found innocent on appeal and many times police / courts aren't even involved.
Same hand, there are people who are guilty as fuck and get their case thrown out on a technicality despite the obvious. This pisses me off but its the unfortunate balance of a lot of factors and that is the price paid.
Now these people, at best are complete retards that left their kid all day in a hot car and killed him. As a parent that infuriates me because I can't imagine not knowing where my 2 year old is. At that age they are such a huge part of your life you can't possible go more than 15 minutes or so without dealing with them in some fashion. Much less all fucking day and breaking all routine (day care) while still visiting the vehicle they are dead in, plus emails hitting your phone while sexting, wife's comments etc..
These pieces of shit deserves all the criticism and black marks that come regardless of the case outcome.
Last edited by Kedwyn; 07-12-2014 at 05:52 PM.
My cousin didn't like her mother so she went to the police and accused my aunt and her husband of making her come into their bedroom, watch them smoke crack and have sex and then have her participate. My aunt and her husband were all over local news, had a fairly short trial, and it all ended when my cousin admitted to making the whole thing up to get out of there.
My aunt's life was ruined completely. Doesn't matter that she was innocent, people only remember her being on TV accused of molesting and raping her own daughter.
pedo accusation is scary, this one time i was walking my dog, (big red dog, kids love him) and i hear "flop, flop, flop" ran up to pet my dog, then i'm like "wheres your parents?" "idk!"
"where do you live?"
fcking hell, i had to let her hold my dogs leash (i wasn't gonna hold her hand), and just point "is that your house?" for half a hour.
later her brother was biking and found her, and she ran off.
now i don't have a dog, i'm just gonna stay put and call the police, i'm not gonna walk around holding an unknown kids hand.
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