Nope. Good luck with living in the modern age.
A little off topic, but the privacy invasion of the internets has gone too far.
If you do a search for your name on one of those websites, you will see an awful lot of personal information come up - where you've lived, people you're related to, where you've worked, etc.
I tried to follow Radaris' instructions for removal and at the very end they wanted me to log in with my facebook or google account to 'confirm' my identity
Is there any way to force these companies or companies like them to remove your name from their listings permanently? I believe those websites just scour the web through public record databases, but they shouldn't be able to summarize all of your information in 1 convenient place for anyone on the web to see.
Nope. Good luck with living in the modern age.
Interesting, first I've heard of them - the info on my wife is astonishingly accurate - mine less so, including a completely nonsensical "Also known as:" my last name is a P-name and they have it as "FIRSTNAME" J Alt as one of my other known names.
Also doesn't include my (adopted) brother and sister.
So, just so you know where all this information comes from:
Ever shop at a grocery store and sign up for their dumb little key-tag? How about order pizza from Papa John's? What about registering for a major retailer website? Is your Linked-In profile active? Payday/Title Loan? Bought a house or land? Activated a cell-phone on a contract? There are far too many sites and data aggregators like Radaris to remove your information from all of them. And, generally, when they update their files again they will gain more pieces of your personal life and automagically compile it back together.
Wow they have almost my wife's entire damn life down. Not so for me, probably because I lie on pretty much all forms other than official ones. Curiously they don't know that my wife and I are married (different last names). Overall not happy with the amount of info they've collected, but what can you do - this is the Information Age.
All of the information on me is out of date by at least ten years. *Off of the 'gridding' intensifies*
The problem is a lot of privacy isn't a right or rather listed as a specific list of enumerated protected 'items'. Most of it is simply 'security through obscurity'. Even SSNs are exceptionally easy to back into if you know the last 4, yet that is considered 'safe' confirmation of identity. Lots of information is protected by having been put on paper 5+ years ago, or 'shielded' by needing a FOIA request, etc.
Plus, once any of this shit gets out, even 'benign' parts of giant retailer data leaks like addresses/e-mails (ie anything not encrypted to PCI standards), it will wind up into contact/sales list resellers hands at some point and back into those websites.
Thank god this is only for the USA.
I don't know what paying for premium will get you but this is all just based on public records. Where you lived, worked, who you're related to, that's all matters of public record if you wanted to dig hard enough, these sites just make it far easier to search. I'm not sure what there is to be afraid of with that info being public like it always has been.
I think we just need to start killing everyone with this attitude. Too bad they're already in power.
if your founding fathers were in charge today, you'd get another Amendment.
Your wife's name sounds Arab? that's really suspicious. Just how public should public records be, anyways. And what does the state really have to know? In the 1930s, the Netherland did a full census on their population, including religion. In 1940, the Nazis took those records and went jew-shopping. The Netherlands had the highest murder-rate of all European countries on their Jewish Population, 73%, and yes that is including Germany itself, where the Nazis had 7 more years to find all the jews than in the Netherlands.
Always ask yourself why the government needs to know this. Most of the time, it's none of their business.
Last edited by Quineloe; 06-18-2014 at 11:28 AM.
these types of sites data mine, i'm also sure they all probably share or rent the same big databases too.
Didn't knew about these sites, was bound to happen at some point...
Not everything on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Under most circumstances, you can contact the websites in question and request that your information be removed. You may have to go through a conversation in email, chat, or on the phone - But it is possible.
Look at what you have to give Intelius to remove yourself from their website - copy of your drivers license
Seriously, how the fuck is that legal?
Try just repeatedly calling and giving them hell. Usually works.
Short of moving to Amish country -- nope.
The main usage of these sites is for business/law enforcement AFAIK. From my understanding, when you register for an account on some of these sites, there is basically a vetting process to determine what type of entity you are (ie, individual or corporation). Based on that, you are given a certain level of access to info. It has always been my understanding that certain entities, like insurance or law enforcement, get greater access. I've only experienced it from the corporate side, so I can't confirm 100% what the specific differences are. I won't mention which one I've experienced, but it is neither of the 2 listed in the subject line.
You still need a decent amount of base info to locate a person. Unless they have a super unique name and literally the only person in the USA with that name, you'll need more info to narrow down searches. If you have a SSN, then obviously that is the easiest way (although you'd be surprised how many "duplicate" SSNs show up in states that border Mexico lol). These sites also don't always have up to date info....they may report former addresses as current addresses and display alleged former addresses that are actually current addresses. Social worker facilities/churches can even sometimes show up as addresses if the person has been in and out of them.
That being said, in my line of business, a site like this is a HUGE tool. Some people might get wary/paranoid when we find them (how did you find me!?), but it's usually to give them money they are owed rather than be forced to turn it over to the state.
What's funny is that as more personal information gets put out on the net, public records are becoming harder to obtain. I noticed that here in Texas (or at least Travis county), many "public" records now require a login/fee to access, whereas they didn't a year or two ago - unless you physically go to the clerk's office and fill out a bunch of paperwork. All the info is in their database and can be accessed, they just want monies for it now.
Never cared about this stuff. The only thing I worry about is having my identity stolen I suppose. I wonder how hard it'd be to get enough info to access one of the few accounts I care about.
I'm only on Radaris, however, the information listed is about 7 years old.
I'm not really worried about law enforcement using it. Fucking Barney Fife one finger typing through search databases doesn't fill me with dread.
I've always assumed that ad agencies sell this sort of shit to other ad agencies and for the most part it just goes round and round in the irrelevant machine.
They have my name, the cities ive lived in (FPO showing up is funny) and my age. OH NOES.
They also link to people im related to...except its missing almost everyone.
Im willing to bet i could farm the same info off of your facebooks.
Shit I could probably go through your post history and farm more relevant information.
Nothing on there that you couldn't find by just visiting my facebook page.
Put my info in and just lists my dad and a city he used to live in. 2/4 of his "related to" are wrong and his aliases are just variations of his first name. Not exactly NSA big brother stuff
Pretty surprised at how out of date all this is, on both myself and my wife. I guess I'm not that surprised about mine since I generally avoid putting my information out there, but my wife not so much.
little question, how do you change or alter names that are on phone numbers? I use tnid a lot to check out numbers and for half of them theres no name listed. If I search my own number it will list my name. How do I change that?
Personally me every so often I google my name, and aliases I use online(email, im name etc.) to see what it brings up. Good way to clean up personal information trail.
Last edited by Big Phoenix; 06-18-2014 at 03:58 PM.
My shit isn't even on there, huzzah for never signing up for a fucking thing. eat a dick modern world.
This is one reason I'm happy in this modern age to have one of the most common first and last names in the English speaking world. You can't find shit about me just by Googling by name, because there are probably 100,000 other people out there with my name.
My girlfriend asked me once if I ever Googled her name. (I lied and said no.) She goes "I tried Googling you once but it's impossible to find anything." Meanwhile she bitched about hers, and she had a valid point. Unusual European name and rare last name, from what I gather she's one of two people in the world with the name combo. So the first page of Google has intellius and all those others with like the first digits of her current phone number (which is cellular, wtf?) her addresses all the way back to the mid 90's, etc.
Last edited by Jackie Treehorn; 06-18-2014 at 05:58 PM.
Yeah I think this shit is directly proportional to the amount of shit you share on the net or public info. I dont worry at all about this shit.
Maybe. No one wants to find Euros anyways.
Neither of the websites listed had anything on me, as they seemed to be American only. Apparently there's one dude in Maine that has the same name as me, and that's it. Like Jackie was talking about, it kind of sucks having a fairly unique name for this kind of thing. In all of North America, as far as I can tell, there's one guy in Quebec and the guy in Maine (who might even be the same person!) who has the same name as me.
I learned my name isn't as unique as I thought it was, fancy that. They have someone with the same name within 25 miles of me, but none of the data is mine and I'm missing from their database. Score one for off the grid.
The only shit they have on me is public record from when I bought my house and from my linkedin profile.
They have me living at my childhood home which I moved out of around 15 years ago. My wife isn't even listed.
0/10 would not care
Seems my name is common enough. They have a couple of correct street addresses and phone numbers (although not the address I've been at for 5+ years), and some of the contacts are correct (at least half are wrong), but they have totally wrong information for everything else, particularly work and education. Apparently I'm a bilingual fitness ambassador who recently (2010) graduated from the Universidad Latina, as well as a degree in Spanish from Sacramento State.
I don't understand how sites like this aren't under constant DDoS attacks, they seem to epitomize everything wrong with privacy in the digital age. It is a blatant effort to profit off your private information without your consent.
If you think you are safe because you don't have information available online now, you're fooling yourself.
The type of people that would run this type of website are inherently shady as shit. These guys don't need to source where they collected information, for the most part if they can collect the information it is fair game. If markets and a precedence for the legality of this kind of "service" become well established, you'll have people like Tyen driving through your neighborhood mining data directly from your poorly secured networks and selling it to the highest bidder.
I can easily see up-to-date, highly sensitive data collected from something like that Target hacking event from last year ending up on sites like this eventually. Not credit card information, but things like family members, phone numbers, and home address, sure...as a consumer good luck making a case that information isn't floating out there in some legally accessible form.
Last edited by dak; 06-18-2014 at 09:19 PM.
I'm glad I'm the 3rd. They have a ton of info on my dad, and my deceased grandfather -- they only have my name and age. Which is public record. My pops still has a landline telephone, so that has a lot to do with it. Especially through several different carriers who I'm sure were all more than happy to sell his information. No wonder he gets so many sales calls...
This stuff has been around for decades. Even before the internet, it was done mostly through printed records, where detectives and police departments, who subscribed to the service, could call and ask for records to be faxed/mailed. Someone else mentioned it earlier, but almost all those stores that ask you to join their coupon club? Off set the costs of discounts, by selling your purchasing information. That purchasing information, and those records, always went to these centralized sellers and then were sold whole sale to marketing agencies. (And, also, to anyone who paid for subscriptions, which, as said, was mostly PIs and Police)...From what I know, there are legal barriers (Mentioned earlier) depending on your agencies status; but I know a bunch of private marketing firms that had pretty extensive access.
Really, this isn't the internet--this has been this way since the commercial boom of the 50's. The only difference now is how easy it is for YOU, the common citizen, to access it (Because the sub costs have gotten cheaper thanks to digital collection).
Last edited by Lithose; 06-18-2014 at 10:23 PM.
The second website has my entire family listed, and an accurate paragraph listing precisely everywhere I have worked even when overseas.
OMGZ GUYZ IM SOOPER SCEERID NOW!
Look there's thousands of people in your community every day with access to all sorts of "private" info about you, and all that's keeping them honest is the honor system. Employees of banks, loan people, credit agencies, law enforcement, it goes on and on. Access to your SSN, DOB, credit history, bank account numbers, credit card info, checking account numbers, ATM, PIN, fingerprint patterns, addresses, phone numbers, call and text records, emails. Constantly rotating new employees, hiring, firing. People get addicted to smack and decide to charge some electronics on a CC # to boost for cash. And they all have wifes, husbands, relatives, kids, gossipy mouths with co-workers.
The point being that all these conveniences of the modern world require all these other people to have access to all this information in order to provide service. Its like Carlin said about airline terrorism. You won't ever stop it through security measures because too many people have access. I don't know what some of you are so indignant and afraid of with this shit. I understand with the NSA, that's like wiretapping spying Orwellian style shit, but this is just the price of doing business and having credit. Living on the grid as its been phrased already.
I've had credit cards compromised. Each time there were "fishing" charges, like under a dollar for some weird vendor in some far away from me place. Each time the CC company recognized immediately put a hold on the card and got in touch with me ASAP and ended up issuing a new card with new numbers. Sometimes I'll get CC's contacting me with just in case shit and I verify it was me but I'm just on vacation/out of town or whatever.
I've had my Verizon account compromised too and someone got three iPhones on my account and screwed up the plans on my phones. Huge hassle but Verizon set it all straight and put extra security measures on the account. They probably just wanted the devices to flip for cash. The biggest annoyance about that was Verizon refused to say anything about who or how that happened and basically sounded like they were letting it go. I guess that's official policy since I've talked to others with the same experience.
So, if it bothers you that much, go ahead and rage about people being able to google your name and find out your sisters name and where you work and live. Or just go about your life because there's thousands upon thousands of people right now who are on payroll to have access to far worse than that information and you willingly accept it so you can live your life and enjoy yourself.
Quick, someone make up a story about NSA recording everything about Americans and how the companies aren't to blame
And theres a big difference between banks having your personal info, and random company_01 who trolls the world for it. Its called a fiduciary.
The Verizon one I'm pretty sure was a fucking employee at a non-corporate store who used my info after I went there to upgrade. Like I said they wouldn't give me shit for information and I can't prove it.
The credit card thing I've known a lot of people to have had happen. I've had CC companies call and let me know that I used my card a vendor that's known to have been compromised, usually during trips to NYC or Philly. Then they either watch it for suspicion or reissue the card. I've also worked somewhere before where two members of the personnel staff were fired for stealing/compromising SSN's. Shit happens. It generally turns out ok, there's a ton of protections on CC's and other accounts now and serious fraud departments precisely because this shit has gotten so widespread.
Europe DOES do a better job with right to privacy.
What these sites don't have is medical records. They're not listing, "So-and-so lives at XXX Street, City and he was diagnosed with chronic allergy-induced flatulence on 5/9/2012" They don't have the emails that you write to your mistress. They don't have anything that actually is private. So they have a record of where you live? Well, your deed is not private information. It is public information. They have your online resume? That shit is not private to begin with! That's the whole point!
I don't see why any government would forbid the private maintenance of a public records database. I don't see how they could, actually, and still have their economy work.
They may regulate it more than we do. I don't know.
I believe the best way to guard privacy rights is to give the devil his due. A broad, bright line. And you only worry about what's on the "private" side of it. There's still enough of it on that side to worry about.
Last edited by Iannis; 06-19-2014 at 07:49 AM.
Didn't have a lot on me and most of it was 10+ years old.
Guess not being on facebook or any of the other social vomit sites helps.
Last edited by Cybsled; 06-19-2014 at 12:32 PM.
I just don't see why anyone would care if someone could look up their past addresses or places that they worked on the internet. I purposely have all of that open to the public on facebook. You hear companies like Lifelock talk about the horrors of identity theft and there are some bad stories, but it seems extremely rare and 90% of it can be resolved as simply as calling up the financial institution that they tried to use your identity at and saying "That isn't me, stop doing that" and they do. The one time I had a credit card number stolen, the bank called ME within a couple hours of it happening and the worst impact it had on me was having to update my new CC number on all my auto bill paying sites.
The primary difference is that 'public' information started in a world where it took physical effort to go obtain it. This is no longer the case with the internet. Privacy (and in effect security) through obscurity is no longer practical even for the average Joe. The 'up' side, of course, is that someone still has to 'target' you to get anywhere with simple public records for some sort of crime or revenge or whatever. This isn't a list of credit card numbers in plain text. However, the scary part is that it's still there if someone wants it.
Hahhhhhhhhhh... those sites are shit. I also am surprising low-key on the interwebs. And what they did have was shit info.
One of them had my age as 37. Not even 30 yet.
Searched myself and a couple of things were right (my address, obviously I own my house so its public record) and my age, everything else was wrong or 10+ years out of date. Unconcerned.
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