Slavery and economics
I'm doing a historical research project and if any of you dumbasses would kindly partake in this I would appreciate it.
So yeah, why was the Civil War fought? Either your own formulated opinion or whatever you were taught in school, by your parents, etc.
This would actually help me out a ton if you guys would participate before it gets rickshawed.
cuz north couldn't keep their hands off south and south made preemptive strike to shock and awe north into status quo, but failed.
Because Augustus was jealous of all the hot poon Antony was getting and then Antony decided socialism is bullshit and stopped giving away free bread, so the socialists back in the capitol told terrible lies about him and started a war. He posts here sometimes so maybe ask for some direct quotes, you will definitely get an A if you have an exclusive primary source.
this essay would be like high school level project if you are writing about, "why it was fought."
Secret government plot by the British to retake North America, perpetrated by the same undercover organizations that staged 9/11.
It was started because Kentucky tried to claim it was a northern state.
Because our deified Founding Fathers, the men who wrested America from the clutches of the evil King, who shat political philosophy before breakfast and wrote the sequel to the Bible - The Constitution, were unable to decide the issue of slavery. Well, they could have, but then America would have been split from the start.
Several reasons for the Civil War, true, but the failure to unfuck slavery at the start was certainly a contributing cause.
you can't unfuck slavery. nearly almost every important members of founding fathers had slaves at some point in their lives. Jefferson had a mountain full of slaves to work in his plantation in Virginia. These people were English equivalent of aristocracy living off the cheap labours that slavery provided, plus the agrarian aspiration of murica. slaves were integral to those goals.
Obummer and Benghazi drove our country apart and to war.
because slavery is a vile fucking institution and the south was the equivalent of Keg and Astrocreeps views on life combined.
Easy question. The Roundheads and the Cavaliers were in disagreement over the manner of government.
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To liberate southern Kentuckians from the oppression of the north. In the end Kentucky won its southern identity back, but the confederacy lost overall.
1) Big vs. Small Gov't
2) States' rights
4) The south is still butthurt to this day about losing (probably due to lag).
Was taught in elementary school that it was about state's rights and the North was trying to crush the life out of the South with tariffs and shit. Had nothing to do with slavery.
In actuality, it was only about state's rights as far as the South wanted the right to own people as slaves.
Slavery. Revisionist southern history would like you to believe it was about states rights, but that's patently untrue. One of the states even said it was because of slavery directly in their secession statement.
6 Civil War Myths, Busted | 150th Anniversary of Civil War | Slavery, Race Relations Battlefield Medicine | LiveScienceMyth #1: The Civil War wasn't about slavery.
The most widespread myth is also the most basic. Across America, 60 percent to 75 percent of high-school history teachers believe and teach that the South seceded for state's rights, said Jim Loewen, author of "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" (Touchstone, 1996) and co-editor of "The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader: The 'Great Truth' about the 'Lost Cause'" (University Press of Mississippi, 2010).
"It's complete B.S.," Loewen told LiveScience. "And by B.S., I mean 'bad scholarship.'"
In fact, Loewen said, the original documents of the Confederacy show quite clearly that the war was based on one thing: slavery. For example, in its declaration of secession, Mississippi explained, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world … a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." In its declaration of secession, South Carolina actually comes out against the rights of states to make their own laws — at least when those laws conflict with slaveholding. "In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals," the document reads. The right of transit, Loewen said, was the right of slaveholders to bring their slaves along with them on trips to non-slaveholding states.
In its justification of secession, Texas sums up its view of a union built upon slavery: "We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."
The myth that the war was not about slavery seems to be a self-protective one for many people, said Stan Deaton, the senior historian at the Georgia Historical Society.
"People think that somehow it demonizes their ancestors," to have fought for slavery, Deaton told LiveScience. But the people fighting at the time were very much aware of what was at stake, Deaton said.
"[Defining the war] is our problem," he said. "I don't think it was theirs."
Two distinctive way of life that contradicted each other and the politic naturally followed.
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Because working class southern males were too dumb to realize how bad slavery was for their own wage levels. So much so that they chose to DIE for the plantation owners' rights to have slaves.
So the real answer is just plainly: Ignorance.
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except you're a dumbass. States that had similar economies to northern states and weren't even remotely southern in culture had slavery. (Maryland, Delaware and D.C.)
so slavery is not exactly 0 wage.
Jefferson had to sell his slaves to pay off his debt, incurred between his slave transactions and maintenance of his extravagant lifestyle.
oh yeh, irish worked for pennies on a dollar, so that helped.
Slave owners had to feed, house, and care for their slaves. Some slaves received special treatments, and those were often of skilled slave labour.
We are talking about slaves that have worth. These are properties that you can sell, buy and trade. If you waste them without care, value of your slave goes down. You can't sell them for jackshit.
Cause the North invaded the South.
1872 for DC as a district, city of Washington was 1791.
So I was right and wrong on DC, it was the city of Washington back then with DC not encompassing anything else. After it included the district.
Such a weird little place.
And you should get a load of the Washington Redskins fanbase sometime. Its like the south will rise again. Those states were essentially borderline, Maryland and Delaware are literally ON the Mason-Dixon line so it stands to reason there would be a split. they are also divided among more urban/industrial areas and other more rural/agricultural areas.
The Republican party arose out of a growing abolishionist sentiment in the north, although they generally took a long view of taking care of slavery (prevent its spread to new states, then gradually free slaves while financially compensating their owners, shit like that, rather than just up and abolishing it in one day). Southerners generally looked at Republicans as an insane fringe group (think a liberal Tea Party), and so started increasingly freaking out that they were actually gaining traction in the north. This hit its peak when Lincoln was elected, as the south felt that if a Republican could be elected president, it was only at matter of time before the government kicked down their doors and stole their slaves.
Of course, only the upper class had slaves in any real numbers, but the lower class still considered slavery part of their culture, and saw "slave" as the proper station for blacks; freeing blacks would theoretically put blacks on the same level as lower-class whites, which couldn't be stood.
The south decided to preempt what they saw as the now-inevitable move to abolish slavery by seceding for the US. The language for seeing the issue of slavery as a matter for states to decide had already been fairly well established by this point, so the southern states used the violation of that states' right as the basis for secession.
Of course, the US had military bases located in the south, which were still occupied by the US Army. Confederate troops eventually managed to forcefully push northern troops out of Fort Sumpter, and that attack on a US fort served as the official reason for declaring war. In the north, the rhetoric initially focused on preventing what was seen as an illegal secession from the US, with slavery coming into it somewhat later.
So, to sum up, the south fought the Civil War to preserve slavery, while the north fought to prevent secession and then thought to themselves, "you know, as long as we're here..."
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pretty crappy. Bush started it.
it was started by British aristocracy who made segregation into law despite slim or small racism on the ground. I think it started during colonial era where they made it illegal for blacks to own firearms and shit, despite the fact that revolution that came beforehand was started by a healthy mix of Africans, runaway indenture servants (whites), natives and shit.
I thought it was because Ulfric Stormcloak killed the High King in a duel, no?
The Civil War was about Kentucky declaring it's allegiance to the North right? Or are my sources wrong....?
Nevermind we fired the first shot.
i mma play victoria 2 as confederate and spread slavery wherever. that will show em.
For one. It's really easy to tell who the masters are.
You have to brand white slaves, and that's just adding to the overhead now isn't it. I mean you have to budget for the branding iron AND you have to budget for fire.
i wait for the day when yellow people can own white people on this great land we call murica.
The only people that make worse slaves than white people are the Jews.
When that day comes don't pay more than five dollar.
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It started when Obozongo and his UN terror squads tried to tuk ar guns.
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those slaves werent given to the plantations for free, they had to pay to the highest bidder for the most physically fit slaves. basically the NCAA 150 years ago.
It's rather hilarious that a lot of southerners still have their assholes in a knot over losing the war so badly.
the North used slaves. Some even used them after the war. Columnist Walter Williams wrote: "It was not just Southern generals who owned slaves but Northern generals owned them as well. Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves had to await the 13th Amendment for freedom. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Gen. Grant said, 'Good help is so hard to come by these days.' "
The Civil War was fought because the South is derp. Derp is responsible for a great many things...everything from slavery to evangelical churches.
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