Does he have any children to murder?
How do you guys see this ending? The feds gonna murder some innocent children again?
They shot my wife and kids on Ruby Ridge
they gonna shoot me down
Don't shoot me down,
oh don't shoot me down
Seems like some ranchers had their cattle grazing on govt land for decades and once the govt found out they wanted their money.
Honestly I don't expect anyone to get shot.
I do expect there will a new Congressman or two from Nevada that use this issue to get elected.
And years from now the ranchers will probably have to pay, but not as much as they "owe". If those Congressmen are much good maybe there will be some renegotiations on land use thrown into the bargain.
This already wound down, there's no longer a standoff. Why is this a thread?
Its all over my facebook newsfeed as trending. Facebook would not have a story that is over as trending unless it was still a story Gavinrad.
It's funny all my friends in Vegas think the rancher is in the wrong and up where I live (rural town outside Reno) it seems like everyone is about ready to go join up with the rancher. I could see it getting bad if some of the crazy sovereign state nutjobs show up but the local folks are all talk.
According to BLM, the rancher owes money. His position seems to be that they've been using the land since before these regulations came into being, thus they don't apply to him? Like grandfathered status. It's a complex issue - this is not analagous to some bozo deciding to drill oil in a national park.
Essentially, the federal government has no problem with the way the ranch uses the land productively for many years, to the point that the ranchers can reasonably expect to be able to continue their use of the land for ranching absent a significant government interest in ending the practice.
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The question is, why suddenly has the BLM escalated the issue to the point they have? They didn't just send a Sheriff to assist a repo; they sent in the big guns and prevented any peaceful protest by making 'free speech zones' miles away from their activities.(i.e. you are only allowed to protest far enough away that no one sees you, and your free speech protections are only valid in the designated are). It's very shady when you consider the ridiculous justification of protecting tortoises that they themselves are killing. How much money is being spent on this eviction vs what they guy owes? It's a completely disproportionate reaction that makes you wonder their true motives. We'll likely never know.
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Where can I find a good summary of this situation which I suspect involves a dipshit just arbitrarily deciding to ignore government authority for some retarded reason?
Basically BLM's been telling him to knock it off for many years and he owes over 1 million in fines. They finally decided to physically move the cattle and the hardcore anti-government types decided to get involved. They were protesting on federal land comparing it to Ruby Ridge and thinking it was Obama's next move to take their land or some other nonsense. Blm decided this was stupid and not worth all the publicity it's been getting so decided to stop removing them and just keep fining him instead.
He also thinks all fine money should go to Nevada and not the Federal Government for some damn reason.
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The BLM can be a major pain in the ass. I tried to run a pipeline from a private pasture 300 yards into a BLM spring box so I could water cattle in the private pasture and shut them out of the BLM land part of the year. This is the kind of thing that BLM likes since it allows better management of the pasture. BLM said they would be okay with that so I bought the pipe and hired somebody to dig the trench. We were about to start when the BLM guys told us that we needed to have the pipeline path looked at by an archeologist to check for arrowheads or any other relics that might be there. I said sure and put everything on hold. I didn't hear back from the BLM for two years. When they finally called, they brought out 7 people (archaeologist, hydrologist, wildlife expert, and I have no idea what the rest of them were). When I heard back from them they wanted me to fence off the entire riparian area, move the existing tank a quarter mile to a place where it could no longer fill by gravity flow so it would have to have a pump at all times. There was also a few chunks of busted up concrete from an old stock tank that were deemed to be an archeological relic which needed to be protected. This would have all been at my expense. All it would have taken to improve both pastures would have been for them to let me dig a 6 inch wide trench 300 yards into their land and stick a solar pump into an existing spring box but that was obviously unacceptable. As a result I said fuck it and now I have a big pile of PVC pipe that I don't know what to do with.
That said, I don't really see how a reasonable person expects to use federal land without paying for it.
Situation involves a Stefan Molyneux video? Oh okay, rooting for the government.
I don't believe for a second that this is about a tortoise.
The question is, why suddenly has the BLM escalated the issue to the point they have?The answer is right there ;pThe rancher was told to remove his cattle to protect endangered desert tortoise, the same animal that BLM is intentionally killing due to funding cuts.
Who gives a fuck if its about a tortoise or not. It seems like this asshole was told to GTFO of land that isnt his. I dont see why the government needs to say anything beyond that
The Nevada Tortoise War Is A Right-Wing False Flag | Blog | Media Matters for America
This pretty much tells me all I need to know about this asshole
Conflict has erupted in Nevada between the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the family and supporters of rancher Cliven Bundy, a man who has refused multiple court orders to remove his cattle from public land. Bundy has stated that he does not recognize federal law and in fact argued in court in 1998 that the United States government didn't own the land in question (he lost). Now BLM officers and contract cowboys have begun confiscating Bundy's herd. And the scofflaw rancher has emerged as a right-wing folk hero after repeatedly stating that he owns firearms and is willing to "do whatever it takes to gain our liberty and freedom back."
Radio host Dana Loesch and others took the antipathy toward the ESA and support for Bundy to its natural, absurd conclusion by invoking the right's most predictable reference: Benghazi.
I dont know what that means.
So, as far as I can tell to explain this story, a fat fucking redneck fucking moron dipshit thinks he gets to steal land from the people. And we're all supposed to be outraged over the government pushing back.
Fuck this moron. This is what it is to be a right-wing hero. Just steal land from the public.
You know what? Me and all the neighbors on my block are going to hold a referendum and see if my city block can secede from Chicago, Cook County, State of Illinois and United States. And if secession vote wins, we are going to secede and live in our own freedom. I mean because that's exactly how it works, right? Doesnt matter if its in municipal level, or national level, or in what part of the world - all rules are the same!
I mean do you really want to play a game of "everyone should adhere to same rules" when America is the biggest law breaker and finger wagger in the world for the last 70 years?
Man, you are still so butthurt over this Putin thing. You lost, get over it.
[email protected], dude really loves Putin.
On a serious note, anyone who has had to deal with the BLM probably has a lot of sympathy for this cattle-rancher, even if he should have just paid his fees.
bro, show me on these matryoshka dolls where Putin touched you
and then instantly side with the government in this case? Shouldn't you be on the side of the poor cattle-rancher, yet again being told to do something by the biggest lawbreaker in the last 70 years? Why the hypocrisy bro? Why is it that everyone else must listen to what the US government says, but not Putin?Originally Posted by Araysar
P.S. I wonder when Putin is going to start repatriating all the Crimean gays back to Ukraine. That's one part of Crimea they can have back without any problems.
Jesus fucking christ. You retards never stop falling for Araysar's bullshit.
As I said before, I have dealt with the BLM and found them to be a bunch of head up ass bureaucrats, but I have a hard time seeing how this rancher has a case. It's a bummer if they shut down the land he has been leasing because the BLM owns most of Nevada and it will probably make it impossible for him to keep ranching, but you don't get to just say that the law doesn't apply to you.
Yes, we all love having you act in such a way that makes the reasonable seem unreasonable and force us to choose the greater of two evils.
Someone should get you a show on cable news.
If the porn isn't high res you can't get horny, but you can hate a guy at 1000 paces without a scope. That's human nature.
So technically this means that his cattle is grazing on land that belongs to all of us.
Yep. This fucking redneck moron dipshit thinks he gets steal our land, and he's appealing to retarded conservative logic to get away with it. If this were a weekday, Rush would be in full force, and Merlin would be in total agreement with this clown.
The Nevada Tortoise War Is A Right-Wing False Flag | Blog | Media Matters for America
At the center of the controversy -- according to right-wing media figures -- is the formerly endangered (and still threatened) desert tortoise. When Bundy's grazing rights were modified by BLM in 1993, it was in part to protect the species, which inhabits the same publicly-owned desert areas trodden by Bundy's cattle and was at the time on the brink of extinction.
That's where the connection to the tortoise ends, however. In 1993, Bundy began refusing to pay grazing fees required by the new rules. This led to an escalating series of reprisals from the judicial system that culminated in an order to confiscate Bundy's cattle in order to repay $1 million in fines and fees that over 20 years later remained unpaid. The current enforcement has less to do with protecting the tortoise, and more to do with Bundy's refusal to comply with the law or recognize the legitimacy of the federal government.
You know... if the dude doesn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years I don't have a huge problem with his herd being taken and sold/slaughtered in order to recoup the fees.
If anything this sounds like a federal agency being too lenient and then being forced into an extreme situation.
Overhead sucks, bro. But you gotta pay your rent.
He's had 144 years to deed that land. Did he think it was going to be public forever? I'm sure the Indian tribe who lived there thought that land was theirs, too.
It's a little confusing the way I've seen it reported. It says he stopped paying grazing fees in protest of whatever the new rule was in 1993. So he was always paying something to use the land. But it doesn't really specify what the rule changed. A price hike? Access restrictions? No idea. As far as I can tell, the only thing he objects to is his checks going to the fed instead of to Nevada.
And the comments, my god, the comments. "It was HIS land and the gubmint took it away!" Absolutely no concept of what "public land" means.
Anyway, at some point the old man will die and they will reap millions from his estate from all of the fines and interest and his 14 kids will be looking for a new home. Well done, pops.
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But we should probably save it for when Obama makes us all eat his poisoned all-beef Vienna Beef hot dog franks wrapped in a warm poppy seed bun and dragged through the garden with a sprinkling of celery salt, mustard and 2 sport peppers just way Bill Ayers likes them as part of UN's plot to reduce America's carbon footprint and helped reduce over population worldwide.
No one posting Alex Jones' version of the story? This thread is no fun without it...
The federal government backed down and ended their siege against Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy less than 24 hours after an Infowars exposé connecting the land grab to Harry Reid and a Chinese-backed solar farm went viral, becoming the biggest news story on the Internet.
I think Tad and Alex Jones would get along wonderfully.
I guarantee he reads/listens to Alex Jones.
Just make that federal land hunting grounds. Make the gun nuts happy and charge $100 hunting licenses for a chance to bag a freezer worth of beef. That would stop him using that land real quick.
The funny thing about that Alex Jones derp is WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK even if it's true? So they don't want cattle grazing on that land any more. They can just say, "we don't want cattle grazing on this land any more." It doesn't require some goddamn conspiracy. Bundy has a contract that gives him grazing rights on that land, but that just means that no one else can graze their cattle there. It doesn't mean that the state can't turn the land into a giant landfill if they want, and it doesn't mean he gets to use it for free.
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Heh.. I looked more into the Harry Reid thing and even for Alex Jones this is retarded. Over 10 years after Brady was ordered to remove his cows and stop grazing them on public land for refusing to pay, Harry Reid tried to build a solar plant 150 miles away. This project was cancelled a year ago. FALSE FLAG CONSPIRACY!!!!111
Can we just euthanize people who give this retard attention and money?
Would the farm survive without being to graze on public lands? the government used to support the small farmer now it's all about corporations is the sentiment I believe, considering they've been grazing on public lands for over 100 years.
there's something like 18,000 ranchers that graze on public lands, I imagine the majority of them wouldn't be able to survive if they couldn't.
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I'm sure those 18,000 ranchers are paying for the use of that public land, garglechimp. If this moron wants to keep using it, he can pay for it like everyone else.
You would think so right, apparently he hates the feds and tried to pay the state but they wouldn't take his money.
Range war: BLM withdraws from Clark County, cattle released after standoff; Photo gallery | St George News
Why one county commissioner from Utah supports the BundysSpoiler:
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Read your own quote, garglechimp. Try making your electric payment to the cable company, and see how well that works out for you.
Fanaskin's post shows the rancher as a crazy paranoid shitbag, but he's trying to use it to support the guy right? I'm so lost right now
He's so god damn desperate to be seen as a contrarian he will fling whatever shit he can find on google that has a headline opposing the liberal circle jerk. Not that he even bothers reading the links that he posts. Or the links that others post. Or any kind of relevant background info.
Dumbshit just showed us that the rancher was trying to pay the state for fees on Federal land for Christ's sake. As if that's any kind of justification whatsoever.
If you don't want people to mistake your meaning then perhaps you should start trying to actually formulate a coherent, direct opinion instead of your usual vague, word-salad, 5-min google search laden posts.
Good land was basically given away to private citizens in the mid 19th century in the American west. (after it was taken by force from natives, if any survived smallpox) e.g: Homestead Act
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Why so much of Nevada stayed federal land? I don't know or care - it's a goddamn desert. However, the comparison to the USSR is a bit absurd. US gov stole shit from non-citizens(natives) and gave a good chunk of it to citizens(settlers). The USSR stole shit from citizens and kept it*. Completely different.
*edit: OK it was eventually given to Oligarchs, but only after USSR is gone. Still completely different.
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It is pretty hard to tell who is how wrong in this case, there is so much conflicting information. What I do think is clear is that once again, the escalation of violence was initiated by the government. Just like in Albuquerque two weeks ago, the same pattern was used. Bring attack dogs that are barely controlled by their handlers to intimidate and threaten your enemies, and when those dogs finally provoke a reaction out of your target, use that reaction as a reason to use "self-defense", in this case firing multiple tasers at Ted Bundy and throw Peggy to the ground or whatever their actual names are . If I had this type of government around my home, I'd also like to own an assault rifle.
I also think that if it's true Al Bundy was expected to downsize his herd from 900 to 150, that's essentially forcing him into bankruptcy. Probably the same reasons behind the whole thing of him being the last of 53 ranchers that used to be there. One has to wonder why the federal government is driving out everyone from this area, and I don't believe for a moment it's the Danny Trejo turtle.
A lot of what that federal land ownership boils down to is fair use.
You do have to pay taxes on land, and there is some maintenance involved in land ownership. You don't have to go out there and cut the grass... but if you want to use it you do have to shape and maintain it for the purpose. Sure, the sun and the rain do 99% of the work... but they don't do absolutely all of the work. So is it much wonder that no one wants to foot the bill to develop marginal land? It's not a wildly profitable enterprise to begin with. If it were it wouldn't be federally administrated.
So nah, the administration isn't perfect. But there are entirely practical reasons why it's a federal concern rather than a State one. I mean for one it was the Federal army that took it to begin with. But even looking at contemporary reasons rather than historic ones. Small rancher thinks he'll get a better deal off a disinterested party rather than having to talk to that asshole Toby down at the Statehouse. Big rancher thinks the same thing. The politics of it make sense.
That's my understanding of it at least. Ranching is different than farming.
Wait that guy is actually stealing land from its previous owner(s) and raising his own herd while giving a fuck about other domestic (endagered) species?
You should all applaud to this chimp he is (re)living the american dream and continues the tradition that made the US such a great country.
Seriously throw him some medals.
Also could this Cattleghazi become the downfall of Baracko Barner?
BLM land is land that no one claimed in the homestead act or that people failed to "prove up" on (You had to improve the land and farm it for 5 years before you owned it). I think there is also some land that was originally given to the railroads that came back at some point. It's generally lower quality land that isn't suitable for farming and has some other downsides that made it impractical for someone to make a living on back then. They only gave you 160 acres or 320 in some cases. That was enough to live on in places like Kansas or Iowa that are good for farming, but here in Montana the vast majority of homesteaders didn't make it. The ones that did would get two allotments for a husband and wife and then quickly raise up some kids to claim more land. They also bought out their neighbors that lasted long enough to make good on the homestead etc. Every pasture on our place is named after the people that homesteaded it, (The Lawrence Place, the Bickle Place, the Jones section, etc.) For most of them the name is all that anyone remembers about them.
Montana isn't that fertile compared to the Midwest, but it beats the shit out of Nevada. I doubt many people even attempted to homestead down there and those that did were using their homestead as a base and grazing cattle all over the empty desert which is probably what this old coot is referencing. I am sure if his BLM grazing rights were revoked that he would be instantly out of business, but I have still not figured out if that happened or not. 150 cows is more of a hobby than a living these days.
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right. this white guy is stealing us white guys' land.
i love the debate over who owns this. the red faces nearby maybe.
Oh fuck off. The indians owned the land you live on now too, maybe you should give it back to them.
I am starting to get a bit more sympathetic to this guy. It is definitely not out of the BLM's MO to regulate the ranchers all out of business and then build their own little kingdom of land to manage for the sake of wildlife and spend millions of tax dollars on while producing nothing. I don't think his method had a chance of working, but if all the other ranchers in the area already went broke that's pretty telling as to what happened.
I might feel for the guy had he continued to pay his rent and simply refused to acknowledge the new regulations claiming grandfather clause. But to turn around and start paying a third party instead just screams dumbfuck redneck.
I wonder if he'll start recognizing the federal government when they start sending him his Social Security checks.
Looking like only Alex Jones and Tea Party nutters are still trying to back this guy. The rest are all fleeing for the hills.
So today flanked by armed militia flunkies who flocked to his side from the surrounding states to defend 'murica he said that he had the protestors shut down I-15 yesterday in both directions for 2 hours because the sheriff wouldn't meet his demand to disarm the BLM. Think he was doing a media tour for most anyone who would put him on TV too. Called out Nevada politicians (congressmen of the government he doesn't consider real) for not doing enough to help him.
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