Fuckin' Adolf Putin up in hur'.
continuation of ukraine thread.
95% of Crimeans vote in favour of joining Russia in referendum | National Post
Putin's power play jeopardizes Eurasian Union plans
According to Shevtsova, Kyiv is the "crown jewel" in Russia's Eurasian ambitions. A country of 45 million people, Ukraine has fertile agricultural land, an industrial base and lies right on Central Europe's doorstep.
"It was one of the key goals of Putin to get Ukraine into the orbit because a Eurasian Union…without Ukraine would have a very strong Asian face," she said.
But Moscow's intervention in Crimea could jeopardize the entire integration project. Ukraine has been driven even further into the West's arms by the de-facto Russian annexation of the Black Sea peninsula. The EU could sign the political chapters of an association agreement with Kyiv as early as March 20th.
Meanwhile, Belarus and Kazakhstan have failed to express strong public support for Moscow's position in Ukraine. Putin's doctrine of reserving the right to use military force to protect ethnic Russians might have Minsk and Astana worried. Nearly a quarter of Kazakhstan's population and eight percent of Belarus claim Russian ethnicity.
this thread is better than ukraine thread.
The pain has already started...
Russia counts cost as West tightens sanctions noose - TelegraphGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel spelled out the danger for Russia in a speech that silenced pro-Kremlin voices in her own coalition and left no doubt that Europe is now fully behind the US on punitive measures.
“If Russia continues on its course of the past weeks, that will not only be a great catastrophe for Ukraine. It will cause massive damage to Russia, both economically and politically,” she said. “None of us wants it to come to this, but we are determined to act. Let me be absolutely clear; the territorial integrity of Ukraine is not up for discussion.”
...Russia has threatened to retaliate with “symmetrical sanctions” but Tim Ash, from Standard Bank, said it is a one-sided contest that Moscow cannot win. “Russia is facing the entire West. Its economy is already very weak and this could end up being as bad as 2008-2009, when GDP contracted by 9pc,” he said.
[Sanctions] will be spearheaded by the US Securities and Exchange Commission, which will enforce compliance of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. The next step is to place Russia on the “grey list” for money laundering. “This would prevent global banks from dealing with Russian counterparts. Washington is tightening the noose. No bank is going to mess with the SEC,” said Mr Ash.
Chris Weafer, from the Moscow-based group Macro Advisory, said the Russian elites are becoming “extremely nervous” but it is a two-way risk. “There could be contagion back into the West. There are a lot of things Russia can do short of the nuclear option of cutting off gas. It could ban exports of titanium, inflicting severe disruption on Airbus and Boeing,” he said. Both jet makers rely on titanium supplies from the Russia firm VSMPO-Avisma.
Ukraine sanctions move upsets oligarchs - TelegraphThe potential impact of sanctions has been reflected in estimates showing that Russia’s 10 top billionaires have seen the value of their assets slump by $6.6bn (£3.9bn) in just the past week.
Russian companies have already switched vast sums out of western banks in anticipation of sanctions. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has reported a drop of $104bn in treasury securities held by foreign institutions in recent days and pointed the finger at the Russian central bank.
Not sure why its a shocker. From what I read anyone who would of voted no, didn't bother to show up(don't blame them, not sure I'd go vote no with russian military at voting outpost), so it was all the russian back ground that voted (granted they have the majority population iirc). And did anyone really think it would be different when russia literally controls the country for the past weeks. There's no way they would of let a No even hypothetically becoming a possibility.
Even more hilarious is the russian military still carrying on the charade of not wearing their real uniforms and carrying on with the "nope where not russian military, do you see any insignia on my uniform?".
Last edited by Cinge; 03-16-2014 at 10:58 PM.
What do you think the Russian military would do? Check your ballot and shoot you if you voted against joining Russia?
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you might get beat up if you show up with ukraine flag to vote no but then again they only had 2 options, which all led to separation of sort.
From the live feed:
22.30 Reuters is reporting that a Kremlin-backed journalist has issued a stark warning to the United States about Moscow's nuclear capabilities as the White House threatened sanctions over Crimea's referendum on union with Russia.
"Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," television presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly current affairs show. Behind him was a backdrop of a mushroom cloud following a nuclear blast.
Kiselyov was named by President Vladimir Putin in December as the head of a new state news agency whose task will be to portray Russia in the best possible light.
You know what, someone once told me that the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing. Walk hand in hand into extinction. One last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.
When you put it that way, I can think of many worse ways to go than to die in a nuclear inferno.
No bank would mess with the SEC?
Oh shit.. lolooolololol. I.. really? lol
I love how the SEC is supposed to act on foreign banks..? What the fuck. How about the trillions of dollars of corruption HERE?
Last edited by Dumar; 03-17-2014 at 01:34 AM.
How the fuck would foreign banks listen to the SEC in the first place? Not to mention the fact that I consider the SEC hopelessly inept at best and completely bought and sold at worst.
Hopefully the EU and US keep piling sanctions on until Russia comes crawling like the little bitch it is.
I like how Araysar went from sucking Obama cock to completely disowning the west in general. Hope he makes it back to his motherland.. stat!
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Now for all the issues with financial services and the SEC, these banks won't simply ignore it. They might try to get round whatever restrictions are imposed, but that's a much riskier business these days than it was just 5 or 6 years ago. Western governments are paying much closer attention to what their banks are up to than they did in the past, for obvious reasons.
Sanctions are incoming from the EU:
EU sanctions 'long-list' of ~130 included Gazprom/Rosneft CEOs. Actual travel ban/asset freezes will be 20 to 40 people.
Bruno Waterfield (BrunoBrussels) on Twitter
The "short list" names will be focused on those with an interest in Crimea. The full list will be discussed later in the week once they've seen the Russian reaction.
Araysar can laugh, but its the SEC that has spearheaded the financial assault on terrorism since 9/11 and has been the point agency with very effective sanctions on Iran. They have the experience and the tools to cause Russia massive pain, especially considering how fragile and one dimensional their economy is.
Also, Araysar laughed when I said the West was going to impose harsh financial sanctions and seizure of assets from all the illegal activities and then said Russia would consider it an act of war.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Last edited by Lleauaric; 03-17-2014 at 11:58 AM.
I used to think you were an ok guy Araysar. When did you go full retard?
The SEC does have power to wield, the problem was always getting them to actually use it. If you don't think the combined efforts of all the West's financial arms bearing down on Russia has the potential to fuck their economy then you need to lay off the potato vodka comrade. The question is will EU and Obama do anything more than make a few blustery speeches. Indications are they will this time, but who the fuck knows.
Russia Facing Escalating Sanctions as EU Foreign Ministers Meet - Bloomberg
“The U.S. president has broad authority” to implement crushing sanctions even without additional authority from Congress, “but the question is how to implement it in a measured way to get Putin to back off without leading to a clashing of both economic powers,” Stuart Eizenstat,Under U.S. laws including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, the president has sweeping powers to freeze another country’s U.S. dollar reserves, cut off foreign financial institutions, including state-owned banks, from the U.S. financial system and bar access to U.S. credit card networks. Any of these measures could force transactions into banknotes, robbing banks of liquidity and killing commerce, analysts say.
Under the U.S. Patriot Act, the president can declare a foreign bank a primary money-laundering concern, turning it into an international pariah.
Russia is the 11th-largest foreign holder of Treasuries, with U.S. bills, notes and bonds totaling $138.6 billion at the end of last year, according to Treasury data. A drop in U.S. government securities held in custody at the Federal Reserve last week fueled speculation that Russia may be shifting its holdings out of the U.S. in preparation for sanctions.While Western sanctions could target export controls and financial institutions, that’s “something they will hold in reserve until and if the crisis escalates,” said William Pomeranz, Deputy Director of the Kennan Institute for Advanced Russian Studies at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.
The Russian president may not have calculated the financial risks of his actions in Ukraine, Pomeranz said in an interview. “I don’t think Putin really talked to any of his economic advisers,” he said.
What the hell are you even talking about? They aren't being asked to investigate anything. This isn't oversight, (which the SEC does suck at). They will be ordered by the President to perform specific actions. The opinions of wannabe/former Goldman Sachs employees who work there are entirely inconsequential.
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Putin is now listening to a very small circle of advisers who all view things the same way he does, he isn't getting any dissenting views because he no longer trusts anyone who has a more positive view of the West.The group, the officials and analysts said, included Sergei B. Ivanov, Mr. Putin’s chief of staff; Nikolai P. Patrushev, the secretary of the security council; and Aleksandr V. Bortnikov, the director of the Federal Security Service. All are veterans of the K.G.B., specifically colleagues of Mr. Putin’s when he served in the organization in Leningrad, now St. Petersburg, during the 1970s and ’80s.
But will Obummer actually follow through with executive orders that will have meaningful impact or will this be another "red line" moment? I'm betting they will do a few superficial things to make it look like they did something, maybe a few oligarchs lose a few billion, but in the end, it will be business as usual.
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