I'm gonna go try out that Orange amp tomorrow.
You know what to do...
I'm gonna go try out that Orange amp tomorrow.
I'm a Dimarzio reviewer now, and got these prototypes in the mail last week. Should finally get around to installing them this weekend.. (These are the Steve Lukather set).
I just took the plunge on my first guitar (Agile Al-3110m). What are some good learning materials that I can check out? I'm going to get Rocksmith to screw around with, but I'd like something to actually teach me to play music. I'd heard good things about GuitarIn60Seconds before, but the website seems out of date. Would something like A Modern Method for Guitar be worth checking out? Also, what should I look for in a good small practice amp?
Justinguitar.com is good, for online lessons.
People were recommending Line6 amps in the other guitar thread, but I'm a newbie too. I'm sure someone else will chime in.
I bought one of these:
Not from MF, got it at a Calgary music shop when they had a 50% sale a while back so paid under $500 for it brand new. Playing it through a:
again through the half price sale so paid under $300 for it.
Really happy with both, wish I could find more time/motivation to play it more but what with moving countries (back to the UK) and other stuff I've got going on I don't have the time I'd like and it basically gathered dust for close to 12 months. Good thing with the deal I got is the guitar is probably still worth at least what I paid for it (its immaculate as I look after my stuff and it never leaves the house, even when its not packed for shipping and storage). Learning using these DVD's which got great reviews everywhere:
They're pretty good but I think my style of learning is fairly big picture rather than detail orientated and I do far more when I actually just play tracks (badly!) using tab websites rather than methodically learning C then D then blah blah blah. I can learn chords and what have you eventually if I need to.
My main problem is I badly broke my left wrist years ago and I don't have 100% in it so it makes it harder to hold some chords.
I got that Orange amp and I like it a lot. The built in effects are a good way for me to learn about them as I get better, without spending a bunch of money on pedals and shit.
Plus, to my ear anyway, it sounds really good.
Jam Play is well worth the $100 a year (if you get it at the year end sale, which is coming up here). There's tons of instructors on there, and will teach you everything from the bare bones basics to the ins and outs in a 3 hour breakdown of shit like Hangar 18. Pretty happy with it. Plus they've got a good group of well known musicians, and it's just fucking great to listen to them talk about the shit they wrote.
Need some advice from advanced players.
Been playing off and on a few years now. I love playing. Heres the thing. My hands are huge. My fingers when fretting hit other strings and make my playing sound dirty and unclean. I sound okay on an acoustic, but on an amplifier I sound sloppy. I like fingerpicking and playing classical guitar music, and classic rock, if that makes a difference.
Should I just practice more slowly and take my time? Any certain fretting routines? Ive never had a formal lesson, entirely self taught.
I'm a noob, but I think you'd probably benefit from taking some actual lessons. You probably have some bad habits that are holding you back.
I'm self-taught and never had any lessons. Sure, there were some better players who I had jammed/played with over the years who I'm sure taught me things along the way. But honestly, just playing a shitload is really the only thing that will make you better. Sure, there are some tricks and techniques that are good to pick up, but putting in the time and really the best solution. I haven't really played with other guitar players, unfortunately, in two years but I'm a much better player than I was then. It's amazing how much you inadvertently pick up when you casually play while watching football or something.
For the rock stuff, it's all about taking it slow and keeping with it. There is no magic gimmick that'll make it more comfortable or that'll make your fretting cleaner - it's all about just putting in the time.
I have a shitty $300 steel string fender acoustic I fingerpick on, so I suppose I should invest in a nice nylon soon.
Thanks for the advice guys, Ill just get more strict with my practice.
http://steviesnacks.com/free-lessons weekly free lessons going back to 2007 that deconstruct different aspects of SRV and his songs and influences. Also, his paid lesson packs are quite good.
This may seem like a dumb question but:
When learning new songs, how much do you refer to tablature? I try to pick some out by ear, but it can be tedious and frustrating. I really want to "feel" the notes playing and be able to pick stuff up by ear, but man, its tough. Sometimes I feel like playing straight off tabs is a crutch.
Pictures of the new guitar. Spoilered for size.
Looks really nice!
Any of you have a recommendation for ~$100 headphones to use with a guitar amp? I want to be able to play at 2am if I'm awake without blasting out my neighbors.
I recently bought these:
RRP is about 130quid (about $200) but they're on great deals everywhere here in the UK, not sure about over in the US of A. Did some research recently as my Schure's fell to pieces and for the price they cant be beat according to pretty much any reliable review site, with the current deals they're even better value. Really happy with them, fantastic sound, very comfy even for long periods and they come with the adapter to plug into the larger headphone socket most amps come with.
edit: forgot to say, great deal I got was 65 quid, so about $100..seems a pretty common price for them.
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Anybody here a lefty? I've always wanted to buy and learn to play but the few times I started to back in my youth, dipshits tried to convince me to play right handed because it would be "easier". So any lefties here and any issue you may or may not have had because of it?
I'm a lefty but I learned how to play right-handed. Sometimes I wonder if that was a mistake and if I'd be much better if didn't go that route, but left-handed guitar availability is so limited and much more expensive that I just couldn't justify it when I bought my shitty Epiphone as my first guitar.
Would a small "dimple" on the binding near the pickup selector on the binding be anything to get pissy about? Or should I just count my blessings that the only blemish on it is so small that my camera couldn't focus on it?
Well, from the reviews on that Agile website Tenks listed before, the feeling I got from it is that they're decent guitars for people who aren't up to spending $$ for an instrument, but they're not top quality by any stretch of the imagination. A lot of complaints about unfinished frets, rough edges, blemishes, etc. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and not piss on everyone's parade all the time, but it seems you found out what I expected - there's going to be imperfections in them, and at the price point they're pushing them at, I don't really think the company cares enough to fix them. What are you gonna do, throw down $2k for a Les Paul because you didn't like theirs? Probably not. That's their market, passable guitars, decent price point.
That being said, if it's your first guitar, it's gonna play just fine, and it's nothing to worry about. And it'll either sit in the corner collecting dust in 6 months, or you'll be playing it every day and know what you really want in a guitar.
What are the chances that a new Gibson Studio would be 100% perfect, though? How about something like a Schecter or ESP? I know that the tiny dimple is there, and it still took me a minute to find it. Is 99.9% generally considered fine?
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My Schecter was perfect from what I could tell. So was my Dean. But there were a lot of complaints on that Rondo website about imperfections in the build quality, which is the only thing I can say about it. I don't know a fucking thing about Agile or what kind of products they make or anything, but it sure seemed to me like it's poor man's/entry level gear where people aren't going to be concerned with perfect, they're going to be concerned with having something that looks pretty good at a reasonable price.
Next topic --
My wife (bless her heart) keeps pushing me to buy new gear. I loves having a sugar momma. As I already have 2 fixed bridge guitars, my obvious next step is to get one with a proper trem system to have around. I have absolutely no inclination or desire to be Steve Vai, but it seems like a tool to have at your disposal. That being said, there's an awful lot of really shitty bridges out there that don't stay in tune and tend to not function very well in the long term, so what kind of opinions do you long time guys (like Seventh) have on them? Floyd Rose? Kahler? My buddy's Floyd knockoff on his Jackson is a complete piece of trash, he bitches about it constantly and it doesn't do what he wants it to. I'm pretty sure Kahler actually uses the ball end of the string too, so that might be a consideration. And the fact that there's like 14 different kinds of them, some of which I assume are complete shit, and there's probably 2 or 3 that people actually use. Floyd Rose Original, FR Special, Kahler Hyrbid, Kahler X-Trem -- all that shit just reeks of "Hey, here's a budget device that looks like the professional one, but in reality is a complete piece of shit and will break in under a year," but I don't know how to translate it yet.
I'm a big fan of Wilkinson tremolo systems. I have them on two of my guitars and I can divebomb and bend up to my heart's content. The divebomb isn't as deep as what you can get on a Floyd Rose, but not much compares to that. Don't get a Bigsby. They are fucking awful.
As for Rondo guitars, I have a friend back in Ohio who has quite a few of them and he's only had one that wasn't a quality instrument. Of course, he buys the "higher" end guitars from their site. You know, the ones that are a whopping $250. I honestly can't tell much of a difference between them and a legit Gibson. And I'm completely serious. This guy's been playing for over 30 years too. I also convinced a friend here who wanted to pick up a decently priced guitar to get one and it plays like a dream as well. Sure, they might require a bit more initial setup as far as intonation and truss rod adjustments, but that's a small price to pay considering the quality.
Been playing (poorly) 25 years now, and just bought my first tube amp. A line 6 DT25. What a game changer. Actually I have the whole Dream Rig now with the HD500 and JT 59 Variax. I'm also micing instead of DI + plug ins. I'm finally happy with guitar tones I'm recording.
My only gripe with he Dream rig is a total lack of reamping ability. My old Vetta spoiled me. I can live with it though for the tone I'm getting though. I know I'm only getting started with it too.
/converted tube snob.
Is there one website that's pretty reliable for tabs, or do I have to hunt around?
Eh, UG is pretty hit and miss. A lot of the tabs aren't even in the same ballpark for tuning, let alone note accuracy. Songsterr is pretty decent, but it's kind of a popularity contest. Obscure stuff will get missed.
My buddy told me once "The best tab is no tab at all," and I think there's some truth to that. A good chunk of the shit I know is shit i figured out while messing around with other shit. Pretty amazing how simple most music is.
Are there any good guides to setting up your first pedal-board? I'm kind of lost as to what I might need or want.
Didn't you just start playing? I think we might have had that conversation across boards, but that's what I seem to remember.
I don't think you need to worry about a pedal board until you're at the point where you give a shit about your sound. Lotta time between then and now to figure it out.
DigiTech multi effect processors. I started out with something similar then upgraded to the DigiTech GNX3. A few years later I just wasn't into that digital sound anymore and started buying up indvidual effects pedals. Eventually, you will spiral out of control and realize you have more money invested in pedals than guitars.
By the way, this is my current pedalboard setup. Brought to you via the LG Revolution's shit ass camera.
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Is there any method to which pedals are wired / patched to any other? Or is that just part of the fun?
That's a lot of goddamn pedals.
So I'm half convinced my wife is spying on my posts. This morning, out of the blue she comes up to me and says "I've always wanted to learn to play guitar, lets go buy one." Ummm, ok. You know I'm left handed and we won't be able to share? "Ok, lets buy two." So that's what we did today, I'm pretty excited.
Yeah, see, that's not a noob setup right there. That's a guy who's been playing for many many years and has figured out what he wants in sound. You won't need anything that looks even remotely similar unless you start doing this full time, or have a whole lot of money to blow on gear.
Fortunately for me, the guys I spend the most time listening to use the least amount of effects possible, so that's kinda what aim for as well, and judging from that picture, it's gonna save me a lot of money in the future
Of course I'm not suggesting to go out and splurge $1500 in pedals, but I just wanted to bring up the paths I took to get to that point. I don't think buying a distortion pedal alone and outright is the best move. That's why I suggested that DigiTech multi effects processor. It's not a huge monetary investment and it helps introduce you to the world of effects so you can get a better idea for what you like. Then you can go from there.
Any idea when/if there will be a Jam Play sale? if it goes down to $99 for a year subscription I will bite. i checked out the site and it seems like there are a ton of resources for guitarists at any level.
They had one at the end of last year, that's when I subscribed. Reading it at the time gave me the impression that they do it end of the year every year.
I'm talking like last full week of the year/new years day kinda thing. It's really insanely good, wish I could link some vids from it, because there's a lot of just fucking gold on that site if you give a shit about music at all.
Oh, I can. I didn't even think that they would already have shit on Youtube, but they do.
Look at the in depth kind of shit they have here. Just picking some of the more mainstream stuff that people would recognize here.
That Hangar 18 video is 2 hours long. It's insane how much depth Allen goes into on that thing, it's fucking unreal. You'd think he wrote it himself.
And this shows it's not just some hack with some shitty tabs. Every part of every song, played together in the way it's meant to be played.
I had JamPlay maybe 1.5-2yrs ago. It is a pretty solid site to learn. I may resub at some point because when I was there they were just starting to build up the metal lessons and it seems like they're much better now.
How useful would it be for a beginner?
Nick Catanese (Zakk Wylde's evil twin) is on there now, breaking down Black Label Society's shit, Steve Stevens (Billy Idol's guitarist) has White Wedding and Rebel Yell on there, it's getting better all the time. You'll pick and choose what you feel you want to learn, and for $100 a year (with year end sale coming up here shortly), it's like a sore dick - you can't beat it.
That being said, it's exactly like Tenks said. None of us are gonna be making a career outta this, so you do what's fun. What's fun for me (and most people, I would imagine)? Playing the shit I love. So after you learn some chord progressions and shit like that, you start to see how it plays into songs you've known for years, and you learn them easier and quicker. Mini-goal for me - Play through Slayer's Decade of Aggression. That disc changed my fucking life. Over halfway done with it, and I love every minute of it. If it's not fun, why do it?
So I've been playing again for about a year now, playing various $3-500 models of guitars, and doing okay. Decided to splurge on the ESP LTD JH-600 because I wanted something with a floating bridge, and after playing with a couple Floyds and talking to my friends that have been playing a long time, I decided to go Kahler, and they're not really very available on production models, this is one of the few. This is a $1000 guitar, which is a little more than I was comfortable spending, ended up getting a new one off Ebay for $800. I am honestly fucking shocked at the difference between a $500 guitar and a $1000 guitar. I didn't figure there would be THAT much difference, but holy shit.
This is the meanest sounding guitar that's ever run through one of my amps (and I've had buddies bring theirs over to play) with no effects at all, by a mile and a half. I'm not into noodling around, I'm into crunchy, guitar driven metal, and this is built expressly for that purpose. The sustain and harmonics are out of this world. You get used to decent guitars with decent strings with crap intonation and then you pick up a professional grade guitar and everything you thought you knew goes out the window.
I don't even have the skill to properly make use of this thing. That's awesome!
Jamplay $99 sale is now active through December 31st.
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My older brother has been playing steadily for about 10 years now, and hes pretty fucking good. He can play SRV solos, tons of Metallica ect completely clean without mistakes. Hes self taught and plays every day for about 2 hours or so minimum. Would someone around that skill level get some use out of a month membership as a christmas present you think?
I'm really tempted by the Jamplay sale, but I'm already paying for lessons and am really happy with my teacher. I probably don't NEED it, but it might be handy to have some different perspectives on how to do things.
Your guitar teacher isn't gonna be around at 2am when you can't sleep though
Wow, buying a first amp is way more difficult than I anticipated. I'm looking for a practice/bedroom amp and I've kinda sort of narrowed things down to these:
Fender Pro Jr III
Peavey Vypyr 15
Orange Crush PiX CR20
Fender Blues Jr
This list is just from reading Internet forums and browsing websites. Frankly I'm not even sure if I know enough to know what I want/need. I like the idea of a tube amp, but I also like the idea of a modeling amp I can connect it to my PC or Ipad. My current thinking is to get the Peavey Vypyr as one (since its under $100) and then a second tube amp, in which case I'd get one of the Fenders.
Any comments or suggestions?
The Crush Pix (I'm assuming you found out about it from me) has been a great little practice amp for me so far. I like the built-in tuner and effects.
I have a little Line 6 Spider III (similar to the Crush PiX), and like it well enough. The built in effects are fun to play around with, and hopefully it will help me get an idea of what I want/need later on. Then, I can blow loads of cash on a sweet tube amp and pedal board.
The Blues Jr is one of the best amps I've ever played through. There's a reason it's almost double the price of what it was when Fender first released it.
Isn't there a major guitar show with lots of new stuff announced around January ? From what I've read Fender are likely to bring out a new range of amps as they discontinued their G-Dec 3 series. Also read the Mustang I and II are decent amps for the bedroom ?
All this is just reading up. I am so hopelessly out of the loop on where hardware is at. I want a 5W tube home practise amp.
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Got my Agile Hawk (aka Strat knock off) yesterday. I haven't had much a chance to play around on it but it does seem to have a nice vintage tone to it. Certainly a completely different guitar than my Schecter. I will say the build quality, materials and visuals are knocking my socks off. For the price the guitar cost I couldn't imagine finding a better deal anywhere.
That looks really nice. I think a Strat copy of some sort is going to be my next guitar. Although I'm curious about Telecasters as well.
Thinking about picking up an ENGL Savage after I get my taxes done in the new year. Anyone know what the used market looks like on these things in terms of pricing and availability?
What about new?
I may go new, but really enjoy doing the whole used/trade thing on amps.
Managed to noodle around on the Hawk for a few hours. It is fun but I still see my Schecter being the guitar I pick up most times. Naturally both guitars are suited for completely different styles of music. Being the metal head I am the Schecter can emulate that tone 100x better than a single coil. But for clean/lightly distorted tone the guitar sounds great. Or at least much better than you'd expect a $140 thing to sound.
Like I said I haven't owned a decent guitar in 20 years - last was a '76 US Strat - and my knowledge of hardware is just as outdated. Doesn't help that costs are much higher in the UK, add 30% plus to US prices.
I always wanted a 335. Read up and found that you can get close to a Gibson from an Ibanez (Artcore) or Epiphone (Dot/Sheraton) if you upgrade the pickups. I spent some time looking around and found some used bargains from private sellers. Paid £250 for an Epiphone Sheraton II with Seymour Duncan '59s fitted and an Ibanez AS83 for £220 (pickups need upgrading, I wanted an AS103 with Super '58s but I couldn't find one) both with quality hard cases. Also got an Ibanez S520EX on the spare of the moment for £175.
I love the Epiphone, it really is close to a Gibson. Amazing. Probably going to move on the AS83 and the 520EX which feels weird as I'm a big Ibanez fan - I started playing in the eighties when Ibanez were on the rise and producing some epic guitars.
So my question is what rock/metal solid body guitars are worth looking at (not pure strat or LP shape) with a solid bridge, no trem. Are many/any makes as good/better than the Ibanez Artist in the sub $600 region ?
Pics of new guitars :
I've got a Dean AOD II which is explorer body, and that's pretty damned good for metal. Big body, lots of tone.
I don't think you need to eliminate things like a strat body for metal. Look above at mine. All you really need is a good humbucker in the bridge and you'll get that meaty feel out of pretty much anything. There's a lotta guys that use strat/LP bodies and make pretty damned good metal.
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. +1
I'm not eliminating an (exact) strat or LP based on anything other than personal preference. Done the strat thing and was never attached to it and never did get into the chunky necks on LPs. That Shecter loooks lovely, I'll definitely check them out. Any other makes in a similar quality category (no trem, fixed bridge) ?
To clarify, I'm right back at the beginning. Hours of basic finger stretching and callus building exercises. Looking for something that stays in tune well, can take the action low when I'm ready for it, comfortable for extended periods sitting or standing (so V's, Explorer's, extreme BC Rich's etc are out) and will be good for a few years as I get back into the swing. Not fast metal or a pure shredder btw. Progressive rock, through light metal with a blues twinge to it. No trem - I don't use it and I don't want to waste money on a potential purchase having one.
Hrm, yeah, if you don't want strat body, LP body, explorer, warlock or V's, that pretty much leaves you with telecasters, 335's, gibson SG kinda stuff, and customs.
At least you've got your choices narrowed down pretty good.
I used to be a big Kiss/Ace fan. The following just showed up on ebay UK and got my attention :
Reading up on it I found the following :
What do folks think ? Knock off or genuine ? Aces face on the headstock looks low like the one on the knock off web page - tip of head is too low.
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a first for me, a post in the music section. i am not musically inclined- well i used to play the trumpet when i was in junior high (now called middle school) (5th thru 8th grade) and i was ok at it but never kept up @ it.
now my kids ALL want a guitar- it started with my 8 yr old fumble fingered son(finger dexterity is not his forte) who wanted one for Xmas, so my wife got him one of those cheap "first act "my first guitar" guitar" guitars that cost 40 bucks (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index...uctId=11928529)
ya i know cheap, but since he opened it the other two have wanted to play it (hit of Xmas-go figure). i sort of tuned it (it was woefully out of tune) enough so that the notes sound "clean" but again i am not an expert, i turned the knobs until the note "sounded" good to me and when strummed there didn't seem to be a jarring separation in the notes of each string.
so i was wondering what sort of decent- beginner- guitar would be good for an 11yr old boy-provided he expresses a healthy interest in learning- once he focus's on something to learn he Will learn it, and is very good @guitar hero so i am sure he could master the chords fairly well (my nephew went from guitar hero to learning to play and was/is in a garage band)
thanks to a comment above about the agile guitars i found rondo music...
perusing the rondo music website, i was thinking
getting one of these 3 for the 11 yr old.
as for the 2 8yr old's (boy & girl)
either the valencia 3/4 size guitars that are 50 or going full size and one of the above 3 models..
if going the 3/4 size, one is going to be pink (for the girl)
and IF i end up doing this, i WILL be doing the jamplay account for the 3 of them.
Noodleface - I'll take the savage off your hands when you get GAS for a new amp
Also keep an eye out for an Engl Invader 100, I think that would be a solid choice too. It's slightly cheaper, but is voiced differently than the savage and sounds even more raw. I don't know what they go for on the used market now.
You'll probably get lots of money from gifts and shit, then can just blow it all on gear. (Win!)
I really am trying to sell the Framus cobra, just put it on craigslist. I don't think I've ever sold anything there before, but I want to try and do it locally this time around. Shipping back and forth can be risky
I sold a few amps locally on Craigslist. I just always made sure we met at a public place, usually Burger King on the highway so that I could eat burgers after. Just be careful of the douches that say they will buy it for xxx dollars and then try to lower the price when you finally meet.
So I think I've figured out why I'm convinced I sound terrible on the guitar. My only audience is my girlfriend and here is a list of songs she felt were just "noise" (aka: sounds I try and emulate)
Children of Bodom - Follow the Reaper
Pantara - Cowboys from Hell
Satriani - Surfing with the Alien
Eric Johnson - Cliffs of Dover
Yes she lists a god damn fucking Grammy winning instrumental as "noise." I can kind of understand not liking Bodom. I can get that. Same with Pantera. So I brought it down to what I felt was mainstream but progressive with Satriani. When she decided Cliffs of Dover was bad I had nothing more to say.
I kind of ripped her a new asshole about her terrible taste in music and that we should probably never speak about musical taste ever since all her favorite bands are indie horseshit featuring Zoe Dachenelle and formulistic ass sludge which feature 6 chords the entire song.
To be fair to her, it's still entirely possible that you're terrible
I'd upgrade that possible to certainty. But I still feel like I have very finger speed, scales and sweeping. None of the music she likes features any of that ... unless you count taking a measure to switch your hands from C major to E major. I won't even go into how she said the guitarists I like have no clue about musical theory and they just "play."
I hate that, armchair musicians that think the brainless music they listen to has an ounce of musicianship behind it. Try playing one of her favorite songs for her, and show her how much you struggle to learn the simple chord progression
Then explain that music theory is used absolutely everywhere in all those songs. Even that bodom song has key changes and modulations all over it
I'm a guitar pedal noob. Got a BOSS ns2 today (free). It is brand new. Can't get it to power on. I'm sure I'm just an idiot and there is a simple solution
Not to entirely shit on the genre of indie. It is just they don't feature instruments and instead feature vocals. I have yet to have her sit down through an entire Megadeth song without her ripping on Mustaine's voice, intermixed with her complaining about the guitars. She doesn't seem to understand I'm far more interested in whats coming out of his guitar than his mouth. I find the songwriting of both genres about the same (ie: they're both only decent.)
Was not expecting a random Ernie puppet
Thankfully my wife and I share 90% of musical tastes. Last time she did not like a musician we saw in concert was Bruce Cockburn, and she knew enough to be impressed with his guitar playing, she just didn't care for his music.
Decided on a practice/bedroom amp today. Bought a Vox 'Lil' Night Train head and a Vox 1X12 cabinet. Just going to troll craigslist/ebay/guitarcenter in the future for a used Blues Jr. in good condition should I need/desire anything more. Thanks all for the advice.
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