I'm glad they realize how shitty they've become. Hopefully this means we'll get more quality sci-fi and fantasy shows. It's a win for the viewers.
haha fuck you SyFy, right after you move away from sci fi to wrasslin, shit like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead break out and now you try to press undo? Nobody watches your shitty channel anymore.
Syfy - The Hollywood Reporter
Like the hero in a time-travel story, the Syfy network sees its future in the past.
Almost five years after a rebrand that abandoned the Sci-Fi moniker and enraged fans, NBCUniversal brass is aware that its attempt to lure a broader audience might have lost it some clout in the increasingly lucrative genre that shares its former name. Now Syfy president Dave Howe is trying to rectify the perception problem with changes in the executive ranks that will translate to new programming more familiar to its core audience.
"We want to be the best science-fiction channel that we possibly can, and in some respects, that means going back to the more traditional sci-fi/fantasy that fans often say they feel we've exited," Howe tells THR. "We're going to occupy that space in a way we haven't for the past few years."
I'm glad they realize how shitty they've become. Hopefully this means we'll get more quality sci-fi and fantasy shows. It's a win for the viewers.
Stargate Multiverse: Where jobless Eureka actors finally get a paycheck.
It's kinda sad seeing Sheriff Carter as the Maytag man ;p
Syfy should bring back Farscape and T:TSCC and all will be forgiven.
pretty sure they can never go back to what they once were. the viewers just were not there. as networks go, they were pretty honesty about viewers-budgets-adbuys needed to keep shows going.
the heyday of filming on the cheap in Canada is all but gone. stargate universe, caprica, etc all had pretty shit ratings which contrary to how the internet wants it, is still how they make most of their money.
show budgets are fairly small, around $1.5 to $2m which is pretty crappy when dealing with scifi. TWD's is roughly $3m and most of it looks like ass.
bring back eureka and alphas and all is forgiven.
It sounds like they want less stuff like WH13,Eureka, and Being Human. Those were good shows, not sure why they can't keep those and do other stuff.
Alphas! Ryan Cartwright was the shit in that series. Funny how Intelligence is a rip off of his character.
story, so it sounds like the movie picks up many years after those events. The guy who voiced Rygel died, though ;(. They also pretty much killed off everyone except John, Aryn, Chiana, Pilot+Moya, Rygel, and Scorpius (and Brakka!). Dargo/Deke (their son) had the ability to bend space+time to a degree and could even goto "unrealized realities" without using wormholes (but he was a baby so he couldn't control it), which is why aliens were interested.
I'll believe it when I see it though. Remember the animated series/webisodes/mmo that never got made?
Time for people to start yelling about Firefly.
Does this mean I'll get Beast Master, Hercules, and Xena reruns every night again?
Back in the early 90s when Scifi first came out, they played some real cool older, independent, and foreign fantasy/sci-fi. It was a glorious geekfest of shows that the mainstream didn't like. Filling that niche was the whole point. Then came the syndicated Hercules/Xena shows, and I complained about them but they were not that bad until it was 18 of 24 hours of it. They lost me completely with the ScyFy move.
I loved the original movie when I was a kid, hated the show, though. To be fair, though, I had a thing for Gabrielle from Xena, and it's always a bonus when Autolycus showed up.
All 3 of those shows were so bad they were good. It's too bad they don't make fantasy shows like that anymore.
I had forgotten what channel they were, can't remember the last time I watched a series or any of their 'original' programming. Literally years ago.
I wasn't aware that this was an NBC venture. Good on them! Those fuckers can't even tie their shoes much less run a network not into the ground.
Other than Black List NBC hasn't been relevant for years.
I hate Syfy so much I've been checking out their shows on Netflix rather than tune in. The last show I watched on Syfy was the pilot of Defiance. Before that it was the series finale of StarGate Universe. I haven't been a regular viewer since SG-1/Atlantis/Battlestar. Why? Because their programming turned to shit after they decided to embrace the luddites rather than go all in with the geeks.
And based on that article, they STILL don't get it. Science Fiction as a genre has been pushed to the curb by horror and fantasy shows for the last 10 years, and that's OK. I like a bunch of the horror and fantasy series on TV these days. The problem is that horror and fantasy aren't science fiction. They all fall under "speculative fiction", but you can't advertise your network as "SCI-FI" and then include programming with vampires and werewolves. Twilight is done! True Blood is dead. It's time to put the vampires and the werewolves back on the shelf and start thinking about actual science fiction again.
Of course, now that their overall ratings has declined to the point that they're putting out a press release, it's unlikely that they could budget a decent sci-fi series. Maybe one or two, but having a prime time original science fiction series with good writing and production values? HAH! What they'll end up doing is trying to build up a single night with a couple new high profile series, which will have 40-50% of it's budget spent on ads. And it'll probably work, for a little while. Then in a year or so, the executive responsible for their single-night success will be promoted and some new guy will come in and undo all the good done. We'll be back to reality series and wrestling shortly there after.
Syfy is owned by NBC/Universal, who is owned by Comcast. If you look at any network that Comcast has acquired in the last 15 years, the story is the same. Comcast takes over, and all the good people that worked for those networks resign or are fired. Then Comcast brings their own people in, and we get wrestling and reality shows. Remember TechTV? Yeah, me too.
They need a new Stargate show similar to SG:1 or SG:A. No more of that 1 minute of action and 59 minutes of drama shit every dam episode.
Were the only 'actual' SciFi shows they had original programming or just rebranded stuff? Like Warehouse 13, Eureka, whatever the Eureka spin off was, Alphas, etc... It seemed like for a little bit there they were actually still trying to do it with the token one or two shows a season and they were at least good enough to be guilty pleasure SciFi.
I'd hate to see them get rid of the B, or Z, monster stuff though Unless it represents a significant portion of the network budget it's just a one night a week monster fest thing.
This is only matters if Syfy is willing to put the money where their mouth is. The thing they never realized when they shifted away from sci-fi was that it was never a problem with the genre, but that it was one of quality. They forget that that was one of the whole reasons they did the switch. They never saw a problem with how they were producing shows, so they blamed the genre and figured they could take the same approach by appealing to a broader audience, but crap shows are crap shows no matter what genre they are. Their desire to deliver quality science fiction shows has been at odds with their desire to make shows as cheaply as possible, which is just the formula for mediocre shows.
If they want a hit like The Walking Dead, then they should follow closer to how AMC does things and focus on making a couple of really good shows rather than a dozen second-rate shows interspersed with crappy movies featuring d-list actors. Otherwise, they're going to find themselves in the exact same place they were five years ago, except this time they won't be able to throw their hands up and blame viewers for not wanting sci-fi/fantasy shows. Maybe then we'll start to see some progress.
Networks usually need solid tentpole shows to help assist other shows. AMC had Mad Men (and now TWD), HBO had the Sopranos and now GoT.
But at the end of the day, you need a solid quality show. Game of Thrones had "nerdy" fantasy elements, but the quality of the acting + story draws in people who normally aren't fans of that genre. The last show Syfy had which could "cross the aisles" was BSG, and even then BSG suffered from (undeserved) "Space show" stigma or people who only remembered the piece of shit 70s version.
They definitely need a signature show to get them up. One that represents Sci-Fi. I mean, aside from post-apocalypse shows, is there really any sci-fi shows out there? Like, star trek/buck rogers/out in motherfuckin space sci-fi (Dr. Who doesn't count - I'm talkin US)?
Some space sci-fi on the level of Mad Men/GoT/Breaking Bad/Arrow that they can anchor off of. That would get people back.
don't watch helix by the way its pretty shitty, im gonna stick it out till the end of this season (3 more episodes) but its like a shitty version of lost (well, shittier I guess)
The two franchises they should restart is Stargate and Star Trek. We haven't had a damn Trek series in way too long. Make it three series . Why the fuck not if we can get three CSIs and Law and Orders. Make a Starfleet academy series for the young demo, a Klingon expedition for the hard core, and another traditional series for the masses.
Anyways these could be the established IPs that can draw in viewers while pushing other original programming to catch on.
Comcast will be the among the first to roll out random shit show , just click the channel and the CGI producer will wing it.
michael dorn, the actor playing worf, has been pitching a captain worf show for years and talks about it at every convention, but its never been picked up by anyone
i watch face off the special effects reality show on syfy with my wife, really it's project runway with makeup.
King of the Nerds would have been perfect for Syfy. They really missed out on that one.
You won't find a new Trek on Syfy. Paramount would never allow it. It would go on CBS or one of their affiliates first. If that wasn't in the cards, they'd syndicate it. They'd never hand a franchise like Trek to NBC/Universal, unless vast amounts of monies were exchanged, and Syfy doesn't have that kind of cash.
I was a huge fan of StarGate, up until season 7 of SG-1. After that their episodes became monster of the week episodes with a new ancient McGuffin being discovered in the nick of time to save the day. That shit gets old quick. I could get behind a StarGate revival as long as they get a new production company to do it. Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper can suck a dick, in the same way that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga can suck a dick.
They need something big. Something with name recognition. Something that isn't a reboot, or a revamp, or a prequel or sequel. Something original. And they need a fresh producer who hasn't been in the business for 25 years doing it. Someone who is willing to take chances and not do what is obvious all the time. And they need to leave them the fuck alone; stop giving your writers/producers "notes" about how to make their shows better; you're a broadcaster, you have no fucking storytelling abilities.
I have no faith in Syfy to do any of this.
This shit just irritates me and is an attention grab.
They went from Cult Sci-Fi to BSG. It did REALLY well. So they knew if they bought good projects and dumped money into it they would succeed. They didn't want to invest that money however. So trying to act like they got away from being the best sci-fi station out there, and want to return to that is absolute bullshit. They didn't go back to Cult Sci-fi, they went to B-C-D-F movies with bimbos and mimbos. They were better in between, with the best of both worlds. I-Man was good. They got screwed on LEXX and bought it AFTER the cast and writers were pretty much done with their ideas and took the project as a money grab. Farscape was fucking awesome and probably the worst cancellation in the history of their channel.
They also got Doctor Who and treated it like a second rate show and aired it LONG after it's BBC counterparts so the BBC refused to renew the contract. Now it's caught on on BBC America and gets bigger ratings than anything Syfy currently has.
Bringing back Farscape is a no-brainer and should have happened years ago. Bring back fucking D'argo too. Shit, make it so the whole Peacekeeper Wars was a dream invented by Harvey while John and Aeryn were shattered into pieces.
Your memory is faulty. Opinion, too, apparently.
I've got it. A show about two space detectives investigating space murders done by Cthulhu worshiping serial killers... in space.
Hollywood/Syfy, you know where to reach me.
or they could just pick up some NBC trash scifi pilots or maybe some of the rejected netflix ones and see if anyone likes em. im sure they could get them dirt cheap and if anyone does like them they could pick one up and develop it. they could probably get Wonder Woman going. its not like they need a big budget, just get a hot brunette with big tits kicking ass and stick her in a WW outfit and there you go.
Life has passed this network by, I'm afraid. Let it be a cautionary tale for executroid big wigs on how not to run a television station.
Theres basically no way back. You don't unjump sharks. It is less expensive to retain a customer than to find a new one, and it is more expensive still to get an old one back.
I really hope the netflix model takes off. But even that is highly limited. Maybe they can fund the next Riddick movie. Syfy never would because they need weekly series.
Because I think Kevin Spacey is right. There is a way that production and distribution need to be uncoupled in order that the entire system doesn't cannabilize itself. Syfy can't serve two masters at competing purposes.
It's not even their fault. They're just trying to do something that they can't do.
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they can come back, and they could do it on the cheap, its just not going to happen tomorrow or next year. they have a long way to go, but its not impossible. i agree, they really shit the bed by dumping their sci fi street cred which they had been building for 20 years. i was a huge fan of the channel from back in the day. after they fucked eureka, wh13 and alphas in the ass though i wont be back unless they do a complete turnaround. but the thing is, i am willing to give them another chance because i love sci fi and there isnt enough of it on TV
Sci Fi Fridays was a big deal for me and mine. There was a lot of excitement when they decided to expand it from just original programming on Friday nights to include Thursday and Tuesday as well. Thursday was a bust, but Tuesday really took off anchored by Eureka and open to that brand of quirkiness.
Sci Fi's biggest problem was that it was the minor leagues for NBC/Universal and so everyone sent there to work on programming really HATED the job and was only doing it so that they could graduate to USA Network or eventually big mama NBC. As such there was a big push to get rid of anything a predecessor had done that was successful and introduce things that brought in major ad revenue even if they were just infomercials or reality TV.
SyFy is dead. Sure they can want to have a new space opera and try and recover the ground they lost, but they don't have classic series reruns, they don't have exciting programming options and they don't have an audience. I haven't turned the channel on once since the final episode of Eureka aired as I watched Defiance on Amazon.
While I'm glad that Colin Ferguson has work it still burns me up to see Sheriff Carter doing Maytag commercials.
Loved sci-fi back in the day. good shows bring the audience. crap shows lose the audience.
get good sci-fi shows and people MAY come back. i would, if it was good. but alas you have to spend the money to make the money and the trough for syfy is barren atm (and that name is shit btw- still hate it)
I just started watching farscape on netflix.
watching - off and on farscape, medium, arrow. watched all of chuck, and several other series.
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What would save the channel for me:
start by going back to the Sci-Fi name and logo. Next bring back Friday night anchor shows with something in the Stargate realm and Farscape. Also bring back Saturday morning anime with one or two series capped with an anime movie of the week. The rotation schedule of daytime programming blocks were great (8am to 5pm of one show back to back.) Weekends should be for Hollywood movies not the budget d-list crap. And to cap it off... work a deal with ABC/Disney/Marvel to expand Guardians of the Galaxy and all the other "space" parts of Marvel.
Is anime even still popular in the US? I remember about 10 years ago it was very popular, no clue now. I hear about a show called Attack on Titan sometimes, but I've never seen it.
i change what i said. fuck Syfy for doing this to sheriff carter. i had never seen that ad before it was mentioned in this thread.
If they picked up a show any time Fox cancels a sci-fi show they could bounce back
I think an adaptation of the Gateway books by Fred Pohl would be awesome, probably expensive though. Certainly enough there for quite a few seasons.
there was a stargate movie reboot being pitched around, but i think MGM is still broke.
if anyone should bring SG back it should be Showtime.
Straczynski wants B5 back on tv, but Crusade was bad and fans would be mad if they fiddle with all the expanded stuff.
Think they should reboot it and start at the Earth-Minbari War, but have something different end it, have Delenn with hair show up changing the timeline to make B5 a totally different place.
He's not wrong. SG:U had a few problems,specifically no good antagonist, not enough Sg-1 and Atlantis tie-ins, and slow movement on Ancients lore. They slowly started to fix that prior to them axing it.
I liked SGU. I mean it could have been a whole lot better... and it actually started to get sorta stupider as the crazy scientist man started talking about the background radiation being a message from God or whatever pseudomystical mumbo jumbo nonsense he started to degenerate into... but that could have worked too. They were already leaning that he was almost a villian. He could have finally gone completely unhinged and they could have made a real mad scientist villian out of him. Brilliant, insightful, but so obviously wrong in such a simple interpretation that it renders him batshit insane (but not comically) without rendering him inept. They could have had him corrupt that fat fuck that idolized him too.
They could have gone a really fun way with it. Turned it into a ship of the damned with the Captain fully aware of what was happening and not able to do a fucking thing about it on account of reasons. Just a passive descent into hell.
If they really wanted to pander to their audience they would have deconstructed their own StarGate/Ancient lore... allowed you to see it as dangerous nonsense through the captains eyes, allowed you to be sympathetic and devoted to it through the eyes of old crazy and his fat sidekick. They could have allowed their audience to feel smug and superior no matter what personal leanings they had. They could have literally played both sides against the center.
Not that they would have, or did. IIRC They used it for a simplistic redemption arc. Which was lame. But the setup was there.
It wasn't really a stargate show. But I didn't think it was a terrible show. For the most part. Obviously parts of it were just awful.
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I don't think they should reboot anything, as it will always be criticized for the differences from the original. It would be really hard, and you'd have to get it perfect for it to work. I think their best best is doing a show based on a popular book or comic series. Are there any popular sci-fi comics?
Universe had all sorts of problems. Had they stuck to their original format that they used in SG-1 and Atlantis, it probably would have done much better. But the network wanted a dark, gritty, space drama (since BSG had just finished it's run), so they sort of told the SG producers, "do it like we asked or it won't get done". So we got a BSG space survival series instead of something that actually fit into the StarGate franchise. That's why the fans bailed. The network was pushing to degentrify the cast and bring on more young adults and young adult drama to drag in the CW crowd. And then there was the pacing. Holy fuck, you guys talk about The Walking Dead being slow, SGU was horribly slow in the first season, and the problems they were running into was shit that could have been solved by Carter or McKay in a few minutes. By the time they started to address the issues with season one in season two, they had already lost most of their viewers and alienated their fans. Universe was a big ball of mostly bad ideas. It deserved to get cancelled.
StarGate was best when it was on Showtime. Once they moved to SciFi it started getting really campy, introducing a new ancient McGuffin every week. Atlantis was just more of the same, and that series really went nowhere after season 1. Don't get me wrong, I loved both of those series, but they deserved to be cancelled. I would have liked to see a better finale to Atlantis than what we got, though. Joe Mallozzi & Paul Mullie were working on a Atlantis movie that would have brought the series to a close and maybe would have launched a direct-to-dvd movie series, but MGM and Syfy wanted to work on SGU rather than finishing off Atlantis.
i can't remember any good sci fi that had more than 2 seasons. BSG sucked imo so that doesn't count. Stargate universe was lame. Farscape was boring most of the time. Had some good villains but didn't feel real to me. And so on.
Todd the Wraith was pretty awesome ;p
The SG reboot movie won't happen anytime soon, primarily because who is their target audience? Not the TV show. Fans of the movie that hated the TV show? The reboot was pitched more as a sequel to the film which ignored the show.
You could get away with a reboot in 10-20 years maybe, but so close to the property is a no go (like that aborted BSG reboot movie Bryan Singer wanted to
do that was pitched a year after the show ended and would be based on the 70s one....wat).
old as fuck.
TNG improved as the years went by, some of the best episodes were late in the series. But yeah, that shits now nearly 20 years old (fuck!).
SyFy could reboot MST3K, there are so many shitty movies made nowadays it would be easy money. Or just pay the gang to broadcast their Rifftrax stuff, could even do dual audio (replace the spanish channel!) so you could listen to original or Rifftrax. Develop 2-3 mini series ala Dune, but stretch them out to 8 episodes and have a beginning/middle/end. Source material from Ringworld, Foundation, Revelation Space, Rama, Commonwealth, Culture, Altered Carbon, etc. Have a few cheap documentary series on science and nature, ala Universe/Cosmo, fuck it could just be taping NDGT and others like him giving lectures at universities.
Could do a shit load of stuff to bring back nerds and geeks and science lovers, but mark my words, it'll just be a bunch of shitty, relatively-expensive shows like Helix, The Event, Flash Forward, or Under the Dome that people abandon quickly and SyFy will claim nobody wants to watch scifi.
Dresden files reboot. plenty of materials for a good 2-3 seasons.
Man, I used to watch the hell out of a lot of shows mentioned here. Nostalgic.
was reading about this over at reddit and someone pointed out this is a redo of a project from last yearSyfy has ordered a 6-hour limited series, "Ascension." Set on a spaceship heading to a far-off world, the drama is set to air in the fall of 2014.
The story takes place on a starship, the Ascension, which was secretly launched in 1963 with hundreds of colonists out to populate a new world. Almost 50 years later, the ship is getting close to its point of no return when a young woman is murdered.
During the investigation, the Ascension's population begins to question the true nature of their mission to the stars.
"Syfy is more committed than ever to bringing to life epic event television," says Syfy president Dave Howe in a statement. "We are delighted to bring this thrilling, provocative and intelligent event to our fans later this year."
Created and written by Philip Levens ("Smallville"), "Ascension" will be produced in Montreal by Levens, Jason Blum, Mark Stern, Ivan Fecan, Tim Gamble and Brett Burlock.
guess this going to have to be an alternate reality or something to give us the ability to travel to another planet in 100 years, unless that is twist they are just going to be floating in space for the next 10,000+ years.Sojourn
The first detective ever in space is tasked with investigating a murder on a starship -- headed to colonize another planet --* and instead becomes embroiled in a vast conspiracy involving a mysterious terrible crime dating back to the original launch of the ship 50 years ago. Phil Levens (Smallville) will write, with Blum (Paranormal Activity) on board to produce the Lionsgate entry.
Lexx was so very twisted. That is what made it great.
Found a torrent for the whole series, going to be a glorious Saturday. Can't wait to see if the wife likes it!
She will probably ask why you were watching Lexx at 10 haha
I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with Syfy's current programming. They have (or had) quite a few science fictiony shows post Stargate and BSG: Warehouse 13, Haven, Defiance, Sanctuary, etc.
The problem is that they aren't very good. Granted they aren't absolute drek, but they don't drive any real enthusiasm to catch the next episode. They are incredibly mediocre. You turn them on and kinda half watch them. At least that's what I do.
If they could hire some awesome writers, sit them down and think of a complete story -- beginning to end -- then they may be able to come up with a compelling series. Current network TV seems too much like they have an idea for a show then they just sorta wing-it without ever having a real direction (hello "Heroes").
Probably their best bet is to adapt a popular book series but put every effort into making it good. There are tons of classic sci-fi from Arthur C. Clarke, Isaac Asimov, et. al. that woudn't necessarily require a huge budget to produce. Just make sure and do them really, really well and I think they'd have something.
Especially when it was called "Tales from a Parallel Universe" and was on Showtime ;p
Where would be a good place to look up sci fi shows from the mid to late 90's? There was one I caught a few episodes of that I really got into but I never saw more than a few episodes. Only part I really remember was some actress from the show seeing an alien fighter ship out the window of her own ship and it had human writing on it that said "there is hope" or some shit.
sounds like space: above and beyond. just ask here, bunch of us have probably watched every single sci fi show ever made
to actually get old sci fi show I'd recommend BitTorrent, you can find em all on piratebay.se or IPT or BTN or a million other places, the greatest thing going on right now is TNG being reissued on bluray (they are redoing all the special effects for high def). Its up to season 5 so far.
Ya, it was a pretty solid show. Of course, it was on Fox and got prematurely axed.
Of course... Foundation would be horrible television.
Edit: I like to think the Redletter guys are the next generation of MST3K. About as close as you're gonna get. And I think that both groups come out of milwake, don't they? Do they have a film school there or something?
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Speaking of X Files, I caught shows sporadically here and there when I was a younger so I decided to watch them all and holy shit are they good. There are some cheesy plot holes and wtf moments but it is my favorite thing to watch right now. I only watch one or two a night so I can really savor them, I'm going to be really sad when I get to the end.
The MIB episode was fucking hilarious.
EDIT: Just for the record, I'd still bang Scully's mouth hole.
I don't want to see a reboot done badly. Picking up a pilot that nbc didn't will probably be their method, plus it keeps their in house costs down.
Wouldn't mind seeing an Event Horizon or Dead Space type space odyssey. People are jumping all over the thriller / horror shit these days, maybe they could leach something off that?
Ragefire - Snatty / Vlett
Tunare - Sethlen / Ryoh
Vulak - Snatty / Terran
Stormrage - Vlett (RIP WoW)
Balmung - Vlett Byrn
Trakanon - Vlett
Warehouse 13 1.3m*
Being Human 1.1m*
Face Off 1.6m
Heroes of Cosplay 800k
Joe Rogan ?s 1.4m
*Avg of last 4 shows listed on wikipedia.
Most of their reality shows don't show up on ratings lists. movie wise Sharknado got over 4m viewers over 3 airings
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