Why should you feel guilty? He was an enormous liability if everything you say is true.
I work for a General Contractor. Last few months I had to supervise union workers for a project. One in particular really irritated me. Older guy. He was cordial, always answered me in "Yes sir", but he just didn't have the technical knowledge to even belong on a project of this magnitude. He always says "I'm here to work sir," only to fucking fail at whatever task I assign him, no matter how much personal supervision I give him. Welding skills were shit, installation skills were shit, had no idea how to work around other trades. His lack of any industry knowledge, combined with his eager beaver attitude just made me pissed for some reason. What's the point of having a can-do attitude if you can't be trained to do nothing.
I lost count of how many times I called him "retarded," or "fucking useless" to his face. This is construction, there is no HR to cry to if supervisors are mean. He always took my verbal berating, always answering with "sorry sir, I will try harder next time sir," which just pissed me off even more for some reason. He was like an Uncle Tom, a fucking nitwit but subservient. To be honest, he would probably get more respect from me if he tried to talk back and defend himself. I honestly thought he was a fucking moron and only got into the union because of some sort of affirmative action bullshit.
I relegated him to just be a laborer, but even then I catch him idling drifting off into space like he's in another world. Past couple of days my frustration blew over and I just chewed him out in the worst humanly way possible. Stopped short of calling him a nigger. Told him to fuck off go home and don't come back to my jobsite. Called office to rush deliver his final paycheck so I can be rid of this incompetent human being.
Today I found out he is a talented artist that does murals in Oakland and lives in Section 8 (low income) housing, who just recently joined the union to help him get by. There's even a old newspaper clipping of him doing an exhibit, with some of the proceeds going to help homeless shelters. Haven't felt this guilty about something in a long time.
Last edited by GoingBackToCali; 03-09-2014 at 05:16 AM.
Why should you feel guilty? He was an enormous liability if everything you say is true.
He was a liability, yes, but I probably just screwed him out of getting any more dispatches from the union (for a while at least) after I reported his abysmal performance. I got into the industry through college and not through the field, so I'm sort of green. Part of me is wanting to give him a second chance, and if this was any other industry I probably would. Construction just changes people man. I remember in college I was way more calm, chill, hey hey hey smoke weed er'day sort of person.
Since graduating two years ago, my patience with other human beings has taken a nosedive. I'm not sure if I need anger management or just need to get a desk job.
Last edited by GoingBackToCali; 03-09-2014 at 05:26 AM.
No one deserves a job just because they need money. An employee better be able to do the job to at least some level of competence. Otherwise, GTFO. You aren't running a charity.
Think of it this way, how will the rest of your crew feel about someone who can't pull their weight collecting the same paycheck they do when they work hard and are productive all day? Its not fair to your other employees to have to pick up this guys slack.
Last edited by joeboo; 03-09-2014 at 05:38 AM.
Well, you should feel a little bit guilty. Not at getting rid of a bad worker. Not at having a hand in maintaining quality of work in the union... just at how angry you let it get you and how quickly you were willing to write him off as a bad worker+bad human being in your own mind.
Maybe if this ever happens again you can ask the guy "are you state certified donkey brained or what? What's the hold up? Are you just fucking lazy, or are you lost? What the fuck is happening that's making you such a pain in my balls? I want the work to get done. If you don't know HOW to do it that's different than just being human garbage"
It doesn't make you a terrible person. Running a crew of any type is stressful and dealing with this situation is always difficult.
You just made a mistake is all. But it's a mistake that most of us make at least once. Sometimes more than once. The red flag is that when someone at your work is making you furious when they're not even in the room... you just need to figgure out why that is and what you can do about it.
Sometimes that's getting rid of them. You still might have decided to do the same thing even knowing what you know now. He might have been that much of a hazard. It's the anger you're guilty about, not the action.
You will fire a psycho one day , and he will use a nail gun to terminate you )
Getting rid of an employee who can't or won't do the job for which he's hired shouldn't make you feel bad. Lots of us have been there /shrug It's the calling him a retard to his face and shit that makes you a dick. Plus it makes you look like a pussy berating someone like that when you have power over them (to have or not have a paycheck). I'm not saying you are - I don't know you - but it can lead other employees to lose respect for you, and can make your work life more difficult overall. Honestly just sounds like you need to find another line of work.
As a supervisor in my own career field, my opinion is that you did nothing wrong by removing someone who was incapable of completing the required tasks in order to get your task or "mission" completed in an acceptable fashion.
That being said the way you berated and belittled him is extremely unprofessional, unnecessary, and does make you sound like a complete douche.
I'm not saying that you have any obligation to kiss this guys ass or anything, but all that you had to say was "I'm sorry but you just don't seem to have the skillset I need to accomplish this task." and let him go.
The absurd disrespect and childish tantrums you went on does make you seem like a shitty human being if I had to guess. Maybe take some lessons from this "Uncle Tom" and find some respect for your fellow man and get some fucking class.
Yes you have become a shitty human being.
You are part of the paperpushing suits plague that haunts this Kotick-ridden gone to shit western world were all part of.
You said it yourself you did it the fast lane way via college which is not bad per se, but also lack the necessary skills in the hr-part of this job you work in, as you pointed out there is no real hr-person to answer to. The way you handled the situation is highly unprofessional and reeks of childish or at least -way too inexpirienced in this field- attitude.
In your position it would have been your damn job to find out what this guy was good at; im not sure how a highly talented artist would be of best use at a construction side (maybe conversing blueprints? dunno) but im sure there is a spot to excell in.
As my teacher always put it: The world cant consist of only chieftains, some have to be the ordinary warrior.
To stay in the picture your job as chieftain would have been to see this warrior sucks at bear hunting unlike his pals so have him stay with the women to cock the stew or sew some hides see how that works out, not throw him outta the settlement telling him good luck on your own.
Haha, in the construction industry you're lucky the guy didn't beat the shit out of you after you gave him so much lip. Those guys don't tend to have the most stable dispositions in my experience.
This. Unless the guy was being a belligerent asshole, no need to be unprofessional and demean someone for simply not being cutout for the job. Next time just simply tell them how they are screwing up, how they should fix it or show them how and if the problem persists, just fire them and look for a replacement.That being said the way you berated and belittled him is extremely unprofessional, unnecessary, and does make you sound like a complete douche.
I'm not saying that you have any obligation to kiss this guys ass or anything, but all that you had to say was "I'm sorry but you just don't seem to have the skillset I need to accomplish this task." and let him go.
Last edited by Big Phoenix; 03-09-2014 at 11:53 AM.
All has been said that can be really. Firing someone who is incapable of doing the job is fine, that's the way the world works and that's why people earn paychecks, for doing a job. The moment they can't do that then you work with them and if they are still incapable then you have to let them go.
Much like was already said, berating him is not only very unprofessional, it's childish. You're onl ymaking a bad situation worse for not only him, but for everyone involved. Next time something like that comes up just let them know you think maybe this isn't the right job for them and leave it at that.
You guys are all shitty human beings for berating the OP so much for berating that poor employee.
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There's a few possibilities here:
1. The guy was an over-achiever who was motivated and worked really hard but just didn't have the experience, intelligence and/or talent to deliver at the level he was at.
2. The guy was a bullshitter who got the job because he knew all the right words to say or had connections. However he's lazy and isn't attempting to deliver. He just thinks he can take abuse, give the perfect responses and get a paycheck while being a liability until he moves on to his next job.
3. The guy was a normal dude but something devastating recently happened (death, divorce, drugs, lost all his bitcoins on mtgox, just watched the season finale of Lost etc).
From what you've said it's #2.
I've seen this before where as soon as someone thinks they have an opportunity coming soon (in this case whatever painting shit he has in the pipe) they get this incredible mental defense against abuse. If you're thinking, "Whatever you say doesn't matter, I'm quitting soon and this is just a paycheck to me." there's nothing they won't say 'sorry sir I'll do better next time.' because in their mind you're just a pawn in their game.
In addition, a good bullshitter sees the failure->abuse->recovery cycle as part of the game. If it's easier for a bullshitter to manipulate people around him to keep his job than it is to work hard and earn the respect of his peers then maybe he'll do that.
The worst thing you can do, for yourself, your team and the person in question is to let him fuck around and just mitigate the liability he presents.
The second worst thing you can do is to get rid of him without telling him exactly why you're getting rid of him. If you say shit like, "Oh you're not what we're looking for" there's no chance for introspection on his part to realize that he needs to step it up.
The best thing you can do is to fire him and give him constructive criticism as to why you're firing him. This accomplishes your job as supervisor while still helping him in the long run.
What you did is close to the best thing you can do, but depending on what you actually said it seems that you lacked the willpower to focus your anger into something constructive for him. That doesn't make you a shitty human being, it makes you a human who is still learning to manage shitty workers.
If it was actually #1 or #3 it's a totally different ballgame and your fault is making the wrong judgement rather than handling that judgement.
Eh frustrating situation for everyone involved. Yes sounds like you were needlessly shitty to him. At least you realize it.
The worst part is really that you're creating a work environment in which people are now scared to approach the boss if something happened. Rather cover it up with duct tape and hope you won't notice.
I think multiple factors influenced my "HR" skills in this field.
1. Publicly funded projects require a certain percentage of work to be done by "local" union workers. Say, a building built in East Bay requires 2000 man-hours of work done by East Bay union.
Often times, what they give you is what you get. Yea, we tried to get rid of this guy for a long time, but because he didn't have enough hours accrued (until just recently), and because union couldn't find us a replacement at the time, well we were fucking stuck.
2. It literally would have been more efficient to fire the guy and work with one man down, but we couldn't even do that. I took photo evidence with a time date that just showed this guy standing around; I showed pictures of his sub-par welding results when compared with the other guys. Fuck, often times I personally had to grind off what he welded and had someone else redo it. When these grievances did nothing, my office got pissed. I got pissed. And I guess that's where the belittling began.
3. The wage of an ironworker is much higher than a wage of a laborer. I felt that we got swindled. They gave us a laborer that is to be paid as an ironworker (which is 3x as much). We were all angry that we were shitting away money. Like I said, because we were getting paid in public funds, we had no choice but to pay this guy because he's local and there's no other candidate. This grinded my gears and just pushed me over the edge. A small GC forced to cut their profit margin at the expense of one guy. Fuck that.
Imagine if you had an annoying pet monkey that followed you that said "yes sir" every 20 minutes. That's its only skill, it couldn't be trained to do shit no matter how much coddling or how many treats you give it. Along with that, you had to pay that monkey 40 dollars every hour. That's what it felt like to me. He was like a stressball to me, and I guess that's why calling him derogatory names was so easy.
4. When I let him go, my office gave me the go ahead already. The union finally gave us a new guy to replace him in a month. They told me to give him his walking papers whenever I felt like it. I think this is where I let the power go to my head. I can finally let him go, and I was going to let him go in the most vicious way possible to release the months of pent up stress he gave me. I could have definitely handled this situation better, but I had this burning desire to just tell him how much of a worthless cunt he is; to let him know the only reason he lasted so long on this job was because he was local; and to tell him he doesn't belong anywhere near a jobsite. It was childish, but the weird part is I probably wouldn't have felt guilty if he was just some bum off the street. After knowing what I know now, I felt like I fired Mother Teresa or something.
Last edited by GoingBackToCali; 03-09-2014 at 05:28 PM.
To be perfectly honest you are as unskilled as a supervisor/manager as this guy was in welding/construction. You cannot scream derogatory things at someone on the job site. It makes you unapproachable by those that work for you and opens your company to a ton of liability and potential safety risks. Where did you learn management Burger King?This is particularly important if you are using public funds like you are as you have to operate under federal and or state guidelines laid out in your contracts. Your company may not have an HR rep but the union has reps, and there are lawyers. That sounds like a hostile work environment to me and likely would to your companies employers. Luckily this guy sounds overly nice, but he if was a vindictive asshole you could very easily lose your job over this.
On a final note you are very lucky this guy was so nice. If you talked like that to most of the folks I worked construction with they would be surgically removing his boot from your ass.
Yeah just take this as learning experience, you realize what you did was inappropriate and that is a good first step.
I probably went a bit overboard in my first post, because at least your knowledgeable of problematic workers and not too timid to do something about it.
It's not uncommon for me to share supervision with others and it irritates me to no end when they are too timid or non-assertive and eventually most the workers go behind my back or try to settle issues with a supervisor that is non-confrontational or overly nice.
Here's a few things I've learned the hard way, after supervising people for 20+ years:
- Control your temper. It's only going to bite you in the ass. I still have problems with this one.
- If you have to berate someone, do it in private. Never in front of the other employees, the word is going to get around no matter anyway. But this way, you don't shame someone in front of their peers.
- When you praise someone, make sure the opposite is true. Make sure other employees are in range. Don't make it obvious.
To address the issue: Yes, you are a horrible human being. We all are. Some of us learn from mistakes, some of us don't.
My opinion is that this human being's well-being is more important than the tasks he had to perform at your worksite. As a manager, I would've given him the most menial tasks possible and let him complete them at pace he could.
Part of management, the worst part, is effectively managing people who are terrible at their job.
i work in grocery store fgt.
Lets steer this back towards advice and meaningful conversations please.
Lord of the Flies? This was excellent advice, OneofOne - empathic and smart given the situation imho.
what kind of deranged piece of shit calls his employees retarded?
you mean irony.
Another tidbit of advice I heard a long time ago, if you've got a few really shitty employees that are being carried by everyone else, group them up together and assign a non-critical project to them. Since they don't have anyone to carry their weight they'll either change or fail, and when they do their failure will be untenable enough that you can fire them easily.
by the sound of it, Op's shitty employee was protected by union if I am getting it right.
The funny thing here is smokers are hugely less productive but not fired for it. It's all about what society accepts or doesn't.
EDIT: Izo, this is your last warning. Stop trying to bait/troll.
Well, duh, with your world view influenced by your society's raw liberalism vs my socio-liberalism it's not hard to understand we come to different conclusions as to the true events behind OPs words. He may seem trustworthy to you for admitting to be a scum of the earth. To me he's simply that, scum of the earth, for abusing his subordinates - and even trying to justify it, as well as saying there is no ombudsman - his word is law. That's not a great leader. That's a fucking dictator. Desk job for OP is a mild sentence. You condoning this behavior says a lot about your society and you. Holy cow, I'd hate to be blue collar in the states.
It's the neo-liberal doctrine for the laborers like this poor guy who gets fired for, as the OP admitted, always being too nice. While management, as every single person who has been in a managerial role knows, sometimes does less work than this guy ever didn't do. But those neo-liberal policies don't apply to that class of people, only the poor shmucks not in white-collars.
That's America for you.
A real manager would take into account this job, his worksite, AND the people he manages. A manager has to account for and take into consideration the needs of his workers, even the shitty ones: he has to manage them just as effectively. You don't just axe someone for doing poorly, even consistently; you find a task that he can do. That's YOUR job as a good manager. Most Americans are totally shitty managers of people, and the result is a revolving door of a cynical, distressed workforce. Don't like this one? Next! is American HR policy.
A bunch of monkeys gouging each other's eyes for the banana.
Last edited by Dumar; 03-10-2014 at 12:01 AM.
that doesn't explain Sean.
It explains some shitty mod action, not their nomination for their position. I'm sure Tubro has his reasons, wanting to take someone under his wings. He seem to exhibit some form of reasoned morality as an employer. It doesn't kick in in this threads arguments though - he jumps the bad employee, OP's worker, here. Puzzling.
My company is pretty cutthroat with bad workers. It's great to have reliable and responsible co-workers. Keeping a shitty worker around to appease them pisses off every other employee at the same level.
In my industry, having a shitty worker directly reflects on my own pay and performance evaluations. If they can't meet my expectations (though I go through a pretty in depth coaching process) then I let them go. It's just how things work. -shrug-
It's not just how things work. It's how things should work. The talented employees attempt to leave groups with dead weight in them and if you're a manager with mediocre employees and deadweight your group can't be effective.
That's a western, neo-liberal view of how people and companies should organize themselves. It's the classical 'everyone has to pick up the bum's dead weight' mode of thought. But this constant intra-competition doesn't serve you, your manager, or society better in the long run because it's not healthy.
In the long run, festering dead weight can cause the failure of the entire group. This isn't even about the working man vs the bourgeois. This is just at the small scale of 3-6 peers working together to accomplish something.
I'm not saying you shouldn't reprimand or find an avenue to make the person perform better. But the atmosphere could be why a person performs poorly - not due to his or her nature or the nature of the work itself. Cutthroat competition, the 'greed is good' paradigm of working long and hard hours under stress to perform probably makes more teams fail than any one person's dead weight.
Somewhere along the way (in the 70s, 80s) America lost the idea of the responsibility of the company to the worker. Now it's wholly vice versa: perform well or you're fired, onto next labor bot in line. It's a top-down view of management making decisions that's entirely in their or their company's sole interest, not the interest of the group of people working for them.
In this case, a good manager would look for avenues to make this person productive. If he's slow, give him time and slow work. If he's lazy, try to encourage. The company has a responsibility to do this. Why you ask? Because collectively we allow that company to exist, and through that allowance are born responsibilities to every person they employ, regardless of whether they're a superstar or they totally suck.
It sounds like that employee had "cracked the code" decades ago and has just been riding the cordial, yes-sir-no-sir, apology train for his entire career.
I don't know the details of the OP's group and worker who was let go, but I do have first hand experience with people who were bad hires and were heavily coached, mentored and focused on by senior devs and supervisors. After months of wasted time and having to rework everything they did they were fired. If your opinion is that this firing was wrong I have to believe you live in a fantasy world.
Again, imagine you paid 10,000 expecting a night with Scarlett Johansson, only to get fucking Rosie O'Donnell instead. And you have no way out of it except to pull your pants down and hope for the best. I don't think I acted like a professional (only 24 here and learning to manage people), but now that I thought about it for a few days I'm just pissed that I couldn't fire him earlier.
Last edited by GoingBackToCali; 03-10-2014 at 04:17 AM.
I know that feel about getting stuck with retards. Dude don't work then the guy needed to find a new job.
You don't have to explain yourself. You know how you fucked up and why so next time handle it better. Learn from it.
You don't have to be 40 years old to have empathy. If your whole story isn't bullshit, you shouldn't be managing anyone, ever.
There are always problems with experience, even with guys who have legit work experience in a trade. Maybe you'll run into a journeyman who spent 5 years in a niche portion of a trade then shows up on a job and has no clue what to do. It happens and it's happened to me personally. This guy though sounds like he was completely a fish out of water.
I don't know how your site is run but I would have been tempted to pair him up with someone to keep an eye on him and try guiding him (another ironhead or whatever trade he was) to see exactly how worthless he was.
My work you are commission and get paid for what you produce so if you are terrible at your job, you just won't make any money and that solves itself pretty quickly.
To the OP, you are kind of a dick but sometimes people deserve to get called retarded.
You guys need to remember he's also talking about a construction crew. They tend to be more roughneck and you don't have to couch your words. You can get away with calling a guy "retarded" on a crew like that (and he can often get away with telling you to fuck yourself right back... IF the work is there) where in other fields you have to be more subtle about it. You can't call him a faggot though, those are actual literal fighting words.
Think about it. You do the exact same bullshit in other fields. It's what the entirety of the show "the office" was even about. It's why people thought that drek was funny.
Which kinda sounds like Dumar's dream corporation, tbh.
I've been running construction crews for years, an can attest to having to deal with some real bottom of the barrel people. And as the owner these are people that have cost me money but at no time would I berate someone in the manner you did, seems very childish and makes you look out of control. I would list the skill of making the best of what I have to work with it as a primary skill of how I have made my living. It doesn't just mean giving menial tasks but attempting to find what strengths you can in a person. As a supervisor the more troubled workers are the ones that demand your time but that is why you are there, you aren't there to watch the guy with 20yr experience.
If you, and everyone else truly believe in that dead weight theory, you all better get in good shape for Logans Run, seriously start running now.
Tables turned? No?
Society consists of more than carry your own weight or gtfo and gl in the wilderness. Or why do you think we developed and still do ceremonial burial, when just throwing the corpse outside the city wall to the wolfes would do the job as well?
And for the record: I work with a guy(s) that basically mark all boxes as checked on your dead weight paper. Drunkard with lousy work attitude and piles up the actual work and fixing/cleaning of work for the shift after 'em. Still complaining wouldnt change anything since the owners will never fire their ass (which they are fully aware of) so everyone is just *shrug* and deal with it attitude. Guess to most of us its like we can get the job done beside someone sleeping at the wheel making us all the more important to the company and dont have to give to charity at x-mas cause we kinda do whole year with that.
What do you think, Tubro? Are you still in the 'It's the managers job to....hire/fire people'-camp? What happens when you turn 50 and some other guy can program or grasp complex IT / engineering stuff faster and better than you? Why is there no room for those who needs supervision or work slower than others? I'd have no nurses if each and every one of them were required to have a firm grasp of, say, tracheotomies and deep mucus suction. To me, the manager role is making best use of your resources. Perhaps I'm spoiled in that our workforce is actually capable and educated when they are hired - and credentials are checked. I donno how it works in the states - here, education, certifications and credentials mean something. Also in the construction business.
Why would some people be dead weight at 30? Maybe if you're an athlete and youth/physical fitness is really important. That's not a thing in the vast majority of professions.
Edited response to Izo's post: Just because you're 50 and in a cushy position doesn't mean you're allowed to stop learning new shit. Gotta stay with the times and keep updated. And saying "I'd have no nurses if..." takes the discussion far beyond dead weight. That's just unrealistic or unreachable expectations.
Last edited by Alex; 03-10-2014 at 08:17 PM.
Dead weight at 50? You'd be physically unable to perform at 50 and all the young guns with zero experience would be better than you? Christ, dude. Gain some fucking self esteem.
LOL, the dentist my wife works with is 70 and awesome with a thriving practice. He has a second remote office that he has 2 dentists straight out of college, and he is constantly sent patients with procedures that they cannot do, namely extractions.
You cannot say that experience is not valuable in the medical field either. Take a surgeon for example. Logic would dictate that a surgeon doing surgery for the past 20 yrs would be way more effective and valuable than the noob out of college. While technology and new methods do arise, the human body is still a human body. I would definitely trust an older more experienced surgeon rather than a new one working on me.
Last edited by mkopec; 03-10-2014 at 08:41 PM.
This thread sums up my league of legends experience.
I picked 30 cause Logans run btw...
In other news theres a whole lot of accidents/situations that could happen to any hard worker no matter the age, which could throw him off and reduce him to a dead weight talented artist in your soon to be constructed house. Youd meet this guy first and think hes a retard but infact hes just trying to cope with the loss of his newborn and his suicidal wife at home and you will never know cause someone just labeled him as retarded & dead weight.
Your avatar pic is so appropriate.
Thing is, there is room for both skilled, younger employees and older employees with decades of experience. Especially in construction. You aren't really going to see the old 70yo guy bending conduit for example, you'll probably have some younger guys who have the knack for it and are pretty fast do that. The 70yo guy with 50 years of experience is going to be watching over everything and looking for issues like the younger guys making a mistake that he's seen done a number of times. Or he'll be coordinating with the other trades, or spending his day at a print table going over blueprints to make sure everything is being done correctly, or he'll possibly be the one "laying out" everything and telling the younger guys exactly what needs to be done.
There is also an expectation for the older guys to mentor the younger guys to some degree, though you can get journeymen who think that they know everything. Personally I always enjoyed having the older guys with decades of experience around because when you'd run into something obscure you can ask them and 99% of the time they know exactly what is going on.
Another outlet for older guys in my trade is as service electricians. It doesn't matter how "good" a young guy is, there is no way that they will have managed to soak up the knowledge that a guy who has been in the trade for 30-50 years has, and sending a younger guy out on a service call is something of a risk. For example, I've never worked on a corner grounded "B" phase system before (not a high leg delta!); it's an old type of system common to steel plants and the like (especially some with heavy motor loads) and few employers would be willing to send me out to work on that system on a service call. Same with DC motors (a dying breed), a lot of places are replacing them over time with AC motors and VFDs. At some point only the truly old salts will have worked on a lot of these things and their knowledge will be worth some serious cash and the companies employing them will be able to bid on jobs that other companies might not be able or willing to bid on.
I went back to school because I had hit a glass cieling on knowledge and it would have possibly taken me an additional 10-20 years of OJT to break into the service end of my trade. I kept getting recycled back into 'new work' construction and that happens to a lot of guys.
There's a retired guy that teaches at my school and IIRC he started out as an electrician sometime after WW2. The guy has to be 80 years old but he's forgotten more knowledge than most people will ever learn. He could go out right now and get work if he wanted to, as there is still so much "old" equipment in service that most people have never seen outside of books. He just doesn't want to work in the field anymore but I bet you he could pull down a 6 figure salary somewhere if he was willing to travel.
Google robots will turn 50 % of the current working class into cardboard box dwellers in a decade. Then more google robots will clean up the useless eater problem with weapons )
I have to agree with many posting here in that it seems that the guy was not right for the job, and that you were probably in the right to fire him. That said, you have some serious fucking issues. At no time in my book is it reasonable to belittle and humiliate your employees in the way that you did. That said, you don't need to kiss his ass either. There are proper ways to get your message across without using name-calling and such.
If you want to become the type of person no-one likes, and more importantly, no-one respects, then keep it up. If you want try and become a decent human being (and are aiming to have staff under you in the future) then you need to get yourself into an anger management program to learn how to tackle shit at your job without you losing your shit, and take some sort of basic HR course to learn how to get your message across without sounding like a fucking retard yourself.
A good boss is the type of person who always keeps his cool, especially when the shit hits the fan, knows when to promote or demote (or fire) an employee, and (more importantly) how to do it, and has the trust of the competent workers. You don't seem to have any of that ...yet.
I've fired a couple nice folk over the years. Musicians, single fathers, college students. People just trying to get by. Problem is that I don't care on the job about what led them to work here. I myself have a duty to my superiors to provide A: A profitable business and B:A safe and sane workplace for all other 49 of my employees. If you can't keep up on the job that we hired you for I really can't help you.
There's a good line in that "Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids"
At least backtocali doesn't have to stand by himself anymore.
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