The first phrase which entered my mind as i woke up was 'kickstarter terrorists'. And i smiled.
So typical when people are not willing to live in reality that they would be irrational when you attempt to burst their bubble.
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Pantheon: Rise of the Kickstarter Terrorists
A cursory background check of your KS profile cleary puts you in the fanboy corner, Soy ... dont try to infiltrate us!
The only person I really remember trolling the KS was PSD. That was at the end tho. He started off like most people here, supportive.
lol nice dude. We need to start conversating with our comrades, speaking Rerolledzee..
Well, reality is starting to set in that his "clout" in the industry was almost entirely ruined after Vanguard(now it most certainly is). Now, he's doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, backtracking, and bullshit selling, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again. The thing is, he was lucky as hell he caught it the first time, plus he had numerous competent people around him for support. Now he thinks he's going to do so off of the backs of "apprentice developers"? How did that work out in Vanguard for ya, Brad?
How dare you! I was a supporter to the end simply asking questions so we could move forward with honesty and make sure the team stayed together to get this game made!!!
Was browsing in the old thread and came across this again:
Startups just aren't his thing, I guess.Brad next co-founded in May of 2010 a new start-up in the San Diego area. The new game studio focused on next generation sophisticated casual and social games. Unable to find the right amount of funding, but learning a lot about free-to-play gaming, Brad left the start-up in January 2012
I think Pantheon will fail just fine without us.
I disagree. We currently have them on terrorism cruise control. They live in a constant state of fear and believe at any moment we will strike. They willfully allow Brad to take their freedom away (bans, paid forums, legal threats) while we sit back and watch.
Everyone has to remove their shoes at the airport because of one undetonated shoebomb.
DEAR NSA: THIS IS SATIRE
Some changes are going on right now with the project. The important thing is that Pantheon is alive. We are moving ahead now with development, just with fewer people and at a slower pace. We are continuing to reach out to potential investors, so we can bring the project to its next important phase: having enough $$ to have an office and to make team members actual employees.
Previously the team were contractors (and the Founding team members are stock holders) because of the cost and overhead of having employees. Our hope when we significantly grow the team next is that the funding will be there to make people full employees.
So for the next couple of months, development IS going to move forward, but at a much slower pace as we re-group. We will be bringing on some new talent, and hopefully the original team will be willing and able to help where they can as well.
In the interim, any donations made at this point until further notice will be going directly to maintaining the website during this phase and supporting part-time development efforts by a much smaller team.
The primary use of funding coming in now is to keep us and the web site afloat and to pay as much as we can (likely not a lot) to people who are able and willing to help us building the game for the next 1-2 months. We want 1 or more new zones we can show, in addition to the one we already have, to both the community and potential investors. We also feel it's very important that Lore continues to be written and supported. That is where the bulk of the money will go. Again, the rest for the web site, attorney's fees (writing up NDAs and such), and other incidentals.
Lastly, and many/most of you know this already, but we posted a LOT of screenshots and one rough video of Pantheon on the official Pantheon Facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/pantheonrotf . This includes screenshots ranging from November 21, 2013 all the way to April 11th, 2014. We did this because we owe you, the community, and especially those who donated to this project, a detailed look at what we accomplished over that time period. If you haven't checked them out already, please do A more polished video is also in the works, probably 1-2 weeks away.
Pantheon lives on! This is a challenging time in the development process. But we and you have this dream, and that's to make Pantheon a reality, because we know in our hearts that this game needs to be made. We will get through this and I think things are getting better and more positive already. I am certainly commited to seeing this through.
Should Lore really be a top priority here?
In the three years I actively played WoW I think I read maybe two or three questlines. I did read the lore building up to WoW. That shit was gold.
Answers I got from two different interviews with Brad- These are direct answers from him and not my personal opinion. Hopefully some of this is new information, I believe it is.
The development- Looking for a Unity designer to further develop the demo. New Kickstarter or Indigogo attempt could be made if this demo gets polished. The goal of the new crowd funding would be to gain enough money to build more systems and get the product out to potential investors. Amount of the new project would be much smaller than the 800k original goal.
The money- It's widely agreed upon by all parties that this project took in roughly 145 thousand dollars. A large chunk of that money, 35k, came from a single individual who promised another couple hundred thousand once he cleared it with his trust. Brad was having personal problems at the time and needed to take a cash advance from the project. He took roughly three months pay in advance which equaled roughly 38% of the funds that were left. Brad thought the rest of the money would come in, but the trust supervisor declined without even looking into the project. Reason being, he didn't want to be sued if the start up failed. Brad admits that it was a mistake and wishes things worked out differently but the money is spent and there isn't anything he can do. He then went on to express that he was sorry for how it happened and is planning on liquidating personal assets to put the funds back into the project.
The past- Brad sees that many people are clamoring about the money he made before and why he is suddenly broke. He elaborated by saying, yes he made a lot of money with Everquest, but he also lost a great deal of money in the stock market in 2007. He went on to say that he has assets worth money, but no cash to his name.
The future- Going forward Brad is looking for talented video editors to make his raw footage look more appealing. I offered my services which would include getting my hands on the build itself and shooting my own footage. I hope he agrees to my terms, because I think I can get something nice out of it from what I've seen. The Unity developer is perhaps the most important step going forward. Without someone to make new zones, there is little to show off on a new kickstarter. Much attention is going towards this goal as well as continuing to find investors.
Fuck it I'm going to kick start my fish lure business. I need someone to have a radio show so I can interview
Suineg really got him good
nm i'm dumb
an understated ensemble that puts the "b" in subtle
"Brad was having personal problems at the time and needed to take a cash advance from the project."
Well at least that trust fund adviser is doing his job right.
Yeah it's pretty much 100% that he's broke and the only reason he is maintaining the illusion of trying to make this game is because he thinks he can squeeze more money out of people
38% of 145k is still $18 366.67/mo. That's fucking insane if he was expecting that kind of salary for an indie MMO.
an understated ensemble that puts the "b" in subtle
Did I read that shit right? He took 38% from 145k? So he payed himself 55k for three months which comes out to 220,000 a year for a fucking start up?
Brad, leaving SOE last time (if that's actually what happened) was really dumb.
hi im having personal problems so im stealing half the money from my company. you dont mind, right?
I'm doing a kickstarter for Pantheon: The Movie. Here's the casting so far.
Brad as Jerry Lundegaard
Pantheon supporters as Jean Lundegaard
Angel Investor as Wade
KTAM radio interviewees as Margie
ReRolled as Carl and Gaear
I've also made a trailer. Back me if you like it!
Don't Give up Brad. There is always barber college. You will lose the pretty LA trophy wife though.
whatever bullshit brad comes up with next its mindboggling how anyone would give him another dime now that they know that brad is making 6 figures from it. fuck that shit. dude isnt even doing any wrk.
At least he finally admitted he took most of the money. The whole idea of backpay for a crowdfunded game from the lowest paid to the highest paid is fucking stupid, but it's totally slimy to take such a large portion of the money for a cash advance. So, there's that.
I said it last night, I'll say it again.. the community can't afford Brad. His rate is too high..
The dude called a 1 man raid on our community funds and never bothered to ask anyone. I just can't support someone with such bad decision making. I mean holy fuck!
Now he is looking to pay someone else besides Vu to finish the prototype that would have been finished had he not taking that extra money.
I also believe that money was in addition to what Brad already paid himself.
i imagine the 3 month advance 38% of 150k is not including the pay he gave himself, which is likely another 38%
I'm glad lore is taking #1 priority. Every one knows you spend all your money on the guys who write the lore and pay your artists and animators scraps.
How is that cash advance not illegal?
This is just bad bad bad bad.
Jesus, all those quotes were Brad's best ideas for smoothing things over. Imagine how bad the reality of the situation must be if he's willing to say that he took "some" money for personal problems. The man is a fucking thief.
Holy shit... I step out for a few weeks and it all falls apart. Amazing.
I love how he kept saying this is business for the reason he had to let the devs go. Haha
I'm not even joking when I added the NSA note
If I disappear, you know why.
Because it was all gifts. If you donated you donated directly to his personal account.
He apparently didn't have enough sense to incorporate, but he apparently did have enough sense not to admit any partners into his Bradco. Those 10 guys writing lore were contractors. And as startlingly slipshod as this entire thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if their contract was written in crayon on a napkin.
As vile as it is, it is only an abuse of trust. There never was anything that even resembled a contract for him to breach when it comes to his apprentice bradtards. When it comes to his "team"... I dunno. I still think half of them were in on it except for the two schmucks that actually tried to do some work. Brad just didn't split the kit the way they thought he would.
I'm sure the IRS could fuck him if they decide to audit him. But that'll never happen. Audit a slumdog millionaire for bilking idiots out of 150k? There are real problems in the world.
If we can get Brad to saying something horrible about Obama then the IRS will surely audit.
haha i love the idea of some trust fund retard (and I mean probably a LITERAL retard) giving brad $35k and his Ben Stein accountant putting a stop to another $200k going Brad's way
this shit is like gold for a movie
there will definitely be tax implications here. nowadays more than $10k can't move around electronically without it getting reported to the IRS. I would bet Brad didn't set anything up correctly and if a couple mad "donors" report his ass to the IRS hotline they will definitely check his returns carefully next year.
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As Iannis said; there was no incorporation, so it's not embezzlement. The only hick up in his plan is that a single donation of 35k exceeds the 13k limit on gifts, but more than likely the giver will be responsible since a money manager is doing it. However, he could just say that the money was for some kind of service (With Brad as the sole proprietor); and then Brad can cancel it out with wage losses, or he might not even need to do that depending on his deductible obligations. The point is, it's not much and he can claim it numerous ways without taxation (And since a trust fund manager is handling it, I assume this is being done). Long and short, since the funding is all split up--it's gifts. They are HIS gifts, because it never went towards an incorporated business, to.
What I can't believe is that he thinks 55k is three months salary for a start up. I know Frenzic said he thinks he got that wrong, but if that's the actual amount that's shocking even for how bad this is.
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Doesn't that sound like an amazing plot? Man, I wish I had time to write something like this.
Last edited by Lithose; 05-03-2014 at 01:23 AM.
And Vhalen just quit for good:
My time on Terminus is at an end. As with many of the worlds I have trod upon, forces beyond control have descended upon my valiant team and me, leading us on a quest for new realities. My adventures here have come to an end and I shall miss you all for this was a community greater than any I have seen. Smaller than most, but filled with passion greater than all others combined. Together, we nearly shook the pillars of heaven. I hope we can all unite in other realms. There are still great worlds to create, exciting tales to tell and wondrous treasures to discover. For the LORE4 and I this is not farewell but simply… Till Yonder
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^Who's got the inside scoop on this?
Every time you think it can't get worse it does.
I never cared about pantheon one way are the other, but now I worry the next step in getting worse may involve some of the people in this project harming themselves.
That contradicts the more lore part..:
The team is Brad, Tom and Chris
I'd say the meeting didn't go well. Brad most likely was asked to step aside and declined.
Brads friend... He is helping on the business end
this was the lore guy? what good is lore when you dont have a game to go with it? its just a fanfiction blog at this point.
Amod, can you change the title of this thread to Pantheon: Oh for fuck's sake...
not much protection on kickstarter, if someone figures out something shady before the project funds, Kickstarter can stop everything (money doesn't flow out until the kickstarter is done) but once its done the money is gone into the projects account forever and there is nothing ks can do. Washington state though recently filed a lawsuit (few pages back) against someone who just walked away with $25k in 2012 and didn't deliver, so there are legal remedies that tend to get expensive and time consuming.
and brad can totally just walk away with all the money, it went into his bank account and it was all basically small (well some big) donations more or less, not investments. However he does need to treat the money right, and can't just say "welp a ton of people gave me $75k this year, I don't owe you anything IRS!" They don't really give a shit where you get your money, they just want their cut of it and Brad strikes me as the kinda guy who will not want/be able to give them their cut, and thats when you get into real trouble.
Maybe Brad should talk to the Nevada Militia guys and convince them he is a libertarian and the gobment is trying to steal his freedoms
I don't understand how anyone can get behind this project.. Brad literally stole money. He was caught by Sal. It's not like he told them what he did. He got caught .. He stole from them and us.
I just.. don't know if disappointed describes it. REALLY? Really?
Convo, you're missed in KTAM.
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