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Liberals are awesome.
Conservatives are stupid.
this website has a conservative bias and so do its moderators
Please let this be the last time I have to reg to talk politics!
I lolled today when I saw DeMint resigned to go work for the Heritage Foundation. Here's a man who hated Obamacar and did everything to stop it and get rid of it, then he quit his job to go run the think tank that invented it.
Republicans taking a breather. They'll be back in 5 days!
Where is Tad, speaking of liberal bias ranting.
Last edited by Numbers; 12-07-2012 at 02:49 AM.
Yep unemployment shooting back up, in the middle of the holiday season, Merry Christmas/happy holidays libs.
Please don't reply that gallup is biased in their unemployment number, I'm 99% certain BLS is going to publish the same number, unless they somehow forget to include California again LOLOLOL.
Buncha dumb fucking libs up in here?
I'm just going to post once in this thread and never look at it again. It took about 5 hours before I raged at the Morenetz version. I hate you all.
On the other hand.
I don't give a shit because he's wrong about the better bargaining position and if we go over the fiscal cliff the three card monte at the Fed will get exposed.
Anything that reins in the Fed is better long term so Obam's doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
I don't see how the GOP can benefit from going over the fiscal cliff, in fact I see the democrats intentionally going for it.
It appears easier to get the taxes on rich raised that way, then start pushing through new tax cuts for the poor / middle class in 2013.
How big of assholes will the GOP appear when they start blocking tax cuts for 98% of people as a negotiating tool for the top 2%.
"We can't give you guys a tax break because, well, the evil democrats don't want to give the rich a tax break!!"
For some reason, I doubt average dude on the street will care about the rich persons tax break. (exit polls from the election on raising tax on the rich seem to support that assumption also)
oh and inb4 some trickle down nonsense. I ain't seen no trickle down so whatev's rich people.
Today I had to drive the bosses car and got to listen to some conservative talk radio. Holy hell, they are still depressed. I almost felt sorry for them until they started talking about how they had some hope when Obama was elected because they could "put racism behind them".
It feels like the republicans are really starting to try to talk themselves into liking the non-whites.
Over the fiscal cliff and republitards have to negotiate lowering the upper tax rate, as opposed to negotiating to hold the rate increase down as much as possible. Obama is right to stonewall them.
TANSTAAFL - we've (and I mean both Republicans under Bush and the Obamacrats) created too many entitlements. It's either we turn into a 70% tax state like Norway or we cut entitlements. People need to start feeling the pain.
Turning into Norway's got my vote.
Republicans are bad.
Democrats are bad.
The government is out to get you.
Big brother is watching you masturbate RIGHT NOW.
Wouldn't it suck to be the guy hired to watch everybody masturbate. I would hate that job.
Where is Araysar? I need him to complain about me being perfectly civil again and bragging about putting me on ignore 100 times.
He'll be around.
Anyway, hiya evil twin with roughly the same world view.
Merlin is never going to find us now
I've pm'd him. My political antithesis can't leave me alone for long.
Except neither of you are either of those things.
In reality? I am about as centrists as can be. You will come to see that.
Oh and Hi again.
The image is also no longer relevant anyway. It's 2012 and mandatory spending already accounts for 100% of federal revenue.
Taxes need to go up to pay off the debt, and I assert that 70% tax rate is not needed. If you don't let federal deficit get out of hand by having historically low tax rates, the interest won't compound into a scary chart in the future. You pay off that shit then you don't have the runaway "Net Interest" shown in the already inaccurate chart.
Rep's idea is to pay off the deficit by gutting every federal program. America voted against that idea.
Dem's want to raise taxes to pay off the debt. Either way, that chart you showed is inaccurate and based on the assumption that the tax rate will remain the same (and it doesn't even have the average tax rate correct for the past few years either).
The shit isn't and won't get paid off. Raising the tax rate won't help. But lets talk when the FISCALcliff sens us into recession.
It was economic growth that lead to the higher revenue under Clinton not the higher tax rates. Compare Bush revenues pre-2008 recession. There's a drop right after tax rates get introduced then the revenue rises until it exceeds that earned under Clinton.
This is the shit that liberals don't get even when it's put in front of them in periwinkle and white.
If you honestly believe raising more federal money won't help pay off the debt then you are not living in reality.
Collecting more money means the government has more money.
The question becomes how they spend the money, and it should be spent on paying down the debt. Cutting back social spending is also on the table.
Maybe not to the extent that the GOP wants, but most American's value the programs and don't want them gutted. America voted for some belt tightening, not shutting down entire programs. Although there are some programs I think most would agree can go fuck themselves, like the TSA for example.
In short most want a balanced solution, and the GOP has proven yet again that if they don't get what they want they take their toys and go home. It saddens me because I see their attitude leading to an eventual democratic majority in Congress.
Every time I hear a republican say "America voted for gridlock because I was elected" like they are proud of it or something, I just shake my head. America voted for you because they want compromise. If the GOP continues with the all or nothing approach, the dem's will obviously win out because most people want the services.
Living in reality means that not everything is black and white. Keeping our credit rating by approving a debt ceiling increase saves us money while we sort this out.
Instead they turn it into some sort of political tea party show. I imagine we will see something like that next year unless they fix that in any deal.
Last edited by Flunklesnarkin; 12-07-2012 at 09:17 AM.
Truth is the Debt only gets 'paid off' if we default and offer to pay .01 on the dollar in a big fuck you to China (and Japan). I've got no problem with the fuck you to China but I kinda like Japan, they haven't been dumping export products on us.
That's a cope out though, they could tie tax increases to mandatory deficit payments.
The point is, they aren't even trying. They are just saying my way or I'm going home and it appears America is increasingly willing to send them home.
I'll agree with you if you define they as "Obama/Dems and Republicans". If you are defining "they" as Republicans then fuck off.
The Obama give me the power to raise the debt ceiling is pure bullshit designed to send us over the cliff. There's no way the Republicans can compromise on that.
Tad, the debt that causes a need to raise the debt ceiling is money we already owe. You don't just up and not pay your debts.
Less people were entering the labor force this time as opposed to when it went down before and more people were entering the labor force...
also revisions were pretty bad. 49k less in September and October, non Sandy related.
that's about all I've got
The economy will be "fully recovered" or whatever you want to call it when we are starting to trend 220k+ jobs a month. That's what I'm waiting for.
via Gary Alexander, Pennsylvania’s secretary of Public Welfare — shows, the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income and benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income & benefits of $57,045.
Dem welfare benefits
The government should double "entitlement" (nothing entitled about it, people paid into social security and medicare) spending just to piss off tad10.
I think people are still confused as to what it means to raise the debt ceiling. One only raises it to reflect the amount of money already spent by Congress and the reason why the President wants to be able to raise it independently is so that stupid fights over it will not happen anymore. It is a dumb, made up problem.
I'm rather impressed that Barack has had the balls to say he's willing to go over the fiscal cliff. If it happens he's in a great position to start creating legislation that allows him to undo a lot of the damage that the fiscal cliff did while keeping the higher taxes on the rich. It makes the republicans look terrible, and it gives the impression that Obama is cleaning up their mess.
Well Britain went with that whole Austerity thing the republicans keep pushing and it stopped them coming out of a recession and threw them back into it.
Then, when we realize this did nothing but hurt the economy we'll say "HAHAHA BUSH fucked it UP HAHAHA" and 70% of the morons in this country will believe it and vote Nancy Pelosi in as the next president.
The Derp is strong in Bleedat. Even Democrats hate Pelosi.
Q: If an agreement is not reached, who do you think would be more to blame: (the Republicans in Congress) or (President Obama)? (Options randomized)
Republicans in Congress 53%
President Obama 27%
Both equally (VOL.) 12%
Neither (VOL.) 2%
No opinion 6%
One could argue that Medicare doesn't do enough. After all, there's an entire insurance sector dedicated to covering what Medicare doesn't (Medicare gap insurance).
One thing I could never truly understand is why people are against Medicare, especially anyone who takes home a paycheck. You're paying into the program right now. If anything you should want it to succeed so it's there when you need it, instead of wanting it to get scaled back or even eliminated.
And I don't care how programs were envisioned. I care how they should be for the betterment of this fine country.
I'm no medicare expert, but from a layman's perspect medicare (And the health care system in general) spends too much money on meager extensions of terminally ill elderly. Basically I'm pro-death panels.Originally Posted by Moontayle
Wait, this is Killivek right? I have no idea how you go from Marx to Bakunin but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Yes it would be much easier but right now the middle class tax cuts are the only leverage the republicans have so they don't want to sever them from the upperclass tax cuts. Eventually I think the deal will be worked out where taxes on middle class stay the same and the upper class ones go up but not to the full clinton era levels. That way both sides get to make hay on the issues with their constituency.
The Supreme Court has agreed to take up cases on DOMA and Prop 8.
EDIT: From SCOTUS Blog...
Prop. 8 is granted on the petition question -- whether 14th Am. bars Calif. from defining marriage in traditional way. Plus an added question: Whether the backers of Prop.. 8 have standing in the case under Art. III.
In Windsor, the government petition (12-307) is the one granted. In addition to the petition question -- whether Sec. 3 of DOMA violates equal protection under 5th Amendment, there are two other questions: does the fact that government agreed with the 2d CA decision deprive the Court of jurisdiction to hear and decide the case, and whether BLAG (House GOP leaders) has Art. III standing in this case.
Last edited by Eyashusa; 12-07-2012 at 08:18 PM.
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