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    Liberals are awesome.

    Conservatives are stupid.

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    this website has a conservative bias and so do its moderators

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    Fuckin' 0bama.

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    Please let this be the last time I have to reg to talk politics!

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    I lolled today when I saw DeMint resigned to go work for the Heritage Foundation. Here's a man who hated Obamacar and did everything to stop it and get rid of it, then he quit his job to go run the think tank that invented it.

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    Republicans taking a breather. They'll be back in 5 days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    I lolled today when I saw DeMint resigned to go work for the Heritage Foundation. Here's a man who hated Obamacar and did everything to stop it and get rid of it, then he quit his job to go run the think tank that invented it.
    McConnell filibustering himself was funnier I think

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...it.php?ref=fpb

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    Where is Tad, speaking of liberal bias ranting.
    Last edited by Numbers; 12-07-2012 at 02:49 AM.

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    Yep unemployment shooting back up, in the middle of the holiday season, Merry Christmas/happy holidays libs.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159104/un...oots-back.aspx

    Please don't reply that gallup is biased in their unemployment number, I'm 99% certain BLS is going to publish the same number, unless they somehow forget to include California again LOLOLOL.

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    Buncha dumb fucking libs up in here?

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    I'm just going to post once in this thread and never look at it again. It took about 5 hours before I raged at the Morenetz version. I hate you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyashusa View Post
    McConnell filibustering himself was funnier I think

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...it.php?ref=fpb
    Holy geez that's just too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    I'm just going to post once in this thread and never look at it again. It took about 5 hours before I raged at the Morenetz version. I hate you all.
    Don't lie. You'll be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screamfeeder View Post
    Don't lie. You'll be back.
    Only to respond to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    jesus, fuckin' obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Screamfeeder View Post
    Liberals are awesome.

    Conservatives are stupid.

    Go.
    Obama's sabotaging the Fiscal Cliff negotiations with his demand for an uncontrolled debt limit because he wants to go off the fiscal cliff because he thinks that'll put him in a better bargaining position.

    On the other hand.

    I don't give a shit because he's wrong about the better bargaining position and if we go over the fiscal cliff the three card monte at the Fed will get exposed.
    Anything that reins in the Fed is better long term so Obam's doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    I don't see how the GOP can benefit from going over the fiscal cliff, in fact I see the democrats intentionally going for it.

    It appears easier to get the taxes on rich raised that way, then start pushing through new tax cuts for the poor / middle class in 2013.

    How big of assholes will the GOP appear when they start blocking tax cuts for 98% of people as a negotiating tool for the top 2%.

    "We can't give you guys a tax break because, well, the evil democrats don't want to give the rich a tax break!!"

    For some reason, I doubt average dude on the street will care about the rich persons tax break. (exit polls from the election on raising tax on the rich seem to support that assumption also)

    edit.

    oh and inb4 some trickle down nonsense. I ain't seen no trickle down so whatev's rich people.

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    Today I had to drive the bosses car and got to listen to some conservative talk radio. Holy hell, they are still depressed. I almost felt sorry for them until they started talking about how they had some hope when Obama was elected because they could "put racism behind them".

    It feels like the republicans are really starting to try to talk themselves into liking the non-whites.

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    Over the fiscal cliff and republitards have to negotiate lowering the upper tax rate, as opposed to negotiating to hold the rate increase down as much as possible. Obama is right to stonewall them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    Oh the irony of Lincoln in the background

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    I don't see how the GOP can benefit from going over the fiscal cliff, in fact I see the democrats intentionally going for it.
    There is a whole generation of folks who have grown up with low taxes. They need to experience high taxes to understand the debate.

    TANSTAAFL - we've (and I mean both Republicans under Bush and the Obamacrats) created too many entitlements. It's either we turn into a 70% tax state like Norway or we cut entitlements. People need to start feeling the pain.
    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    Turning into Norway's got my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    There is a whole generation of folks who have grown up with low taxes. They need to experience high taxes to understand the debate.

    TANSTAAFL - we've (and I mean both Republicans under Bush and the Obamacrats) created too many entitlements. It's either we turn into a 70% tax state like Norway or we cut entitlements. People need to start feeling the pain.
    They don't need 70% tax rates for the current entitlements. Show me some math that bears out this assertion.

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    Republicans are bad.

    Democrats are bad.

    The government is out to get you.

    Big brother is watching you masturbate RIGHT NOW.

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    Wouldn't it suck to be the guy hired to watch everybody masturbate. I would hate that job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arakkis View Post
    Democrats are bad.

    Republicans are worse.

    The government is us.

    Big brother is watching you masturbate RIGHT Ndddddooooooonnnnnnn'tttttt caaaaaaaaaare.
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    Obama's sabotaging the Fiscal Cliff negotiations with his demand for an uncontrolled debt limit because he wants to go off the fiscal cliff because he thinks that'll put him in a better bargaining position.

    On the other hand.

    I don't give a shit because he's wrong about the better bargaining position and if we go over the fiscal cliff the three card monte at the Fed will get exposed.
    Anything that reins in the Fed is better long term so Obam's doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
    Fiscal Cliff or fiscal cliff? Which is it bitch?

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    Where is Araysar? I need him to complain about me being perfectly civil again and bragging about putting me on ignore 100 times.

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    He'll be around.

    Anyway, hiya evil twin with roughly the same world view.

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    Merlin is never going to find us now

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    I've pm'd him. My political antithesis can't leave me alone for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Vimeseh View Post
    He'll be around.

    Anyway, hiya evil twin with roughly the same world view.
    We shall show these hippies how to be level headed and centrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    They don't need 70% tax rates for the current entitlements. Show me some math that bears out this assertion.
    Google how does it work?

    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    Except neither of you are either of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthfell View Post
    Except neither of you are either of those things.
    I'm about as centrist as you are going to find on these boards. Lean to the right for sure though.

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    In reality? I am about as centrists as can be. You will come to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthfell View Post
    Fiscal Cliff or fiscal cliff? Which is it bitch?
    Depends on my Mood. I learned english from e.e. cummings.
    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    Fuck Obama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    Google how does it work?

    Line is the historical average tax collections of around 18% of GDP. Right now we are at 15% of GDP

    The image is also no longer relevant anyway. It's 2012 and mandatory spending already accounts for 100% of federal revenue.


    Taxes need to go up to pay off the debt, and I assert that 70% tax rate is not needed. If you don't let federal deficit get out of hand by having historically low tax rates, the interest won't compound into a scary chart in the future. You pay off that shit then you don't have the runaway "Net Interest" shown in the already inaccurate chart.

    Rep's idea is to pay off the deficit by gutting every federal program. America voted against that idea.

    Dem's want to raise taxes to pay off the debt. Either way, that chart you showed is inaccurate and based on the assumption that the tax rate will remain the same (and it doesn't even have the average tax rate correct for the past few years either).

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    The shit isn't and won't get paid off. Raising the tax rate won't help. But lets talk when the FISCALcliff sens us into recession.

    It was economic growth that lead to the higher revenue under Clinton not the higher tax rates. Compare Bush revenues pre-2008 recession. There's a drop right after tax rates get introduced then the revenue rises until it exceeds that earned under Clinton.

    This is the shit that liberals don't get even when it's put in front of them in periwinkle and white.

    #Kobane

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    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    If you honestly believe raising more federal money won't help pay off the debt then you are not living in reality.

    Collecting more money means the government has more money.

    The question becomes how they spend the money, and it should be spent on paying down the debt. Cutting back social spending is also on the table.

    Maybe not to the extent that the GOP wants, but most American's value the programs and don't want them gutted. America voted for some belt tightening, not shutting down entire programs. Although there are some programs I think most would agree can go fuck themselves, like the TSA for example.

    In short most want a balanced solution, and the GOP has proven yet again that if they don't get what they want they take their toys and go home. It saddens me because I see their attitude leading to an eventual democratic majority in Congress.

    Every time I hear a republican say "America voted for gridlock because I was elected" like they are proud of it or something, I just shake my head. America voted for you because they want compromise. If the GOP continues with the all or nothing approach, the dem's will obviously win out because most people want the services.

    Living in reality means that not everything is black and white. Keeping our credit rating by approving a debt ceiling increase saves us money while we sort this out.

    Instead they turn it into some sort of political tea party show. I imagine we will see something like that next year unless they fix that in any deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    If you honestly believe raising more federal money won't help pay off the debt then you are not living in reality.
    Dems will not cut entitlements. Money will be spent on more shit. Etc. Etc. If you believe anything else then it is you that is living in Wonderland.

    Truth is the Debt only gets 'paid off' if we default and offer to pay .01 on the dollar in a big fuck you to China (and Japan). I've got no problem with the fuck you to China but I kinda like Japan, they haven't been dumping export products on us.
    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    That's a cope out though, they could tie tax increases to mandatory deficit payments.

    The point is, they aren't even trying. They are just saying my way or I'm going home and it appears America is increasingly willing to send them home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    The point is, they aren't even trying.

    I'll agree with you if you define they as "Obama/Dems and Republicans". If you are defining "they" as Republicans then fuck off.

    The Obama give me the power to raise the debt ceiling is pure bullshit designed to send us over the cliff. There's no way the Republicans can compromise on that.
    #Kobane

    Quote Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
    Surrogates have been calling Trump a racist and a sexist for months now. I'm not sure how well that's working out.

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    Tad, the debt that causes a need to raise the debt ceiling is money we already owe. You don't just up and not pay your debts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elurin View Post
    I'm just going to post once in this thread and never look at it again. It took about 5 hours before I raged at the Morenetz version. I hate you all.
    You used to post in the political thread once upon a time. I didn't realize it was making you rage heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
    Where is Araysar? I need him to complain about me being perfectly civil again and bragging about putting me on ignore 100 times.
    He's probably hiding because he cybered Evelys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_Mizzle View Post
    Yep unemployment shooting back up, in the middle of the holiday season, Merry Christmas/happy holidays libs.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159104/un...oots-back.aspx

    Please don't reply that gallup is biased in their unemployment number, I'm 99% certain BLS is going to publish the same number, unless they somehow forget to include California again LOLOLOL.
    Unemployment went down to 7.7 with 146k jobs or so added in November.

    Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    Unemployment went down to 7.7 with 146k jobs or so added in November.

    Oops.
    Queue people calling the BLS numbers BS.

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    Less people were entering the labor force this time as opposed to when it went down before and more people were entering the labor force...

    also revisions were pretty bad. 49k less in September and October, non Sandy related.

    that's about all I've got

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    The economy will be "fully recovered" or whatever you want to call it when we are starting to trend 220k+ jobs a month. That's what I'm waiting for.

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    via Gary Alexander, Pennsylvania’s secretary of Public Welfare — shows, the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income and benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income & benefits of $57,045.

    Dem welfare benefits

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    The government should double "entitlement" (nothing entitled about it, people paid into social security and medicare) spending just to piss off tad10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    I'll agree with you if you define they as "Obama/Dems and Republicans". If you are defining "they" as Republicans then fuck off.

    The Obama give me the power to raise the debt ceiling is pure bullshit designed to send us over the cliff. There's no way the Republicans can compromise on that.
    You don't think we should pay for the stuff we already bought? How would you feel as a creditor to a business that had a monthly meeting to argue whether they should pay the bills they already accrued?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    I'll agree with you if you define they as "Obama/Dems and Republicans". If you are defining "they" as Republicans then fuck off.

    The Obama give me the power to raise the debt ceiling is pure bullshit designed to send us over the cliff. There's no way the Republicans can compromise on that.


    Its so crazy that it's been done ~30 times in the last 3 decades without any problems. Primarily during Republican administrations. 18 times under Reagan. 7 times under Bush II.
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    I think people are still confused as to what it means to raise the debt ceiling. One only raises it to reflect the amount of money already spent by Congress and the reason why the President wants to be able to raise it independently is so that stupid fights over it will not happen anymore. It is a dumb, made up problem.

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    I'm rather impressed that Barack has had the balls to say he's willing to go over the fiscal cliff. If it happens he's in a great position to start creating legislation that allows him to undo a lot of the damage that the fiscal cliff did while keeping the higher taxes on the rich. It makes the republicans look terrible, and it gives the impression that Obama is cleaning up their mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    The shit isn't and won't get paid off. Raising the tax rate won't help
    you lost me. do you even plus and minus?

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    Well Britain went with that whole Austerity thing the republicans keep pushing and it stopped them coming out of a recession and threw them back into it.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...esnt-work.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripamang View Post
    I'm rather impressed that Barack has had the balls to say he's willing to go over the fiscal cliff. If it happens he's in a great position to start creating legislation that allows him to undo a lot of the damage that the fiscal cliff did while keeping the higher taxes on the rich. It makes the republicans look terrible, and it gives the impression that Obama is cleaning up their mess.
    I like it. Let's "go over the cliff" to teach the republicans a lesson. THEN, we'll raise taxes on 2% of Americans and give that money to the poor via entitielment programs because WHY NOT SPEND IT.??
    Then, when we realize this did nothing but hurt the economy we'll say "HAHAHA BUSH fucked it UP HAHAHA" and 70% of the morons in this country will believe it and vote Nancy Pelosi in as the next president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    I like it. Let's "go over the cliff" to teach the republicans a lesson. THEN, we'll raise taxes on 2% of Americans and give that money to the poor via entitielment programs because WHY NOT SPEND IT.??
    Then, when we realize this did nothing but hurt the economy we'll say "HAHAHA BUSH fucked it UP HAHAHA" and 70% of the morons in this country will believe it and vote Nancy Pelosi in as the next president.
    Then you probably shouldnt have turned the debt ceiling into a partisan issue 18 months ago.

    Always a day late and a dollar short, Repubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    I don't see how the GOP can benefit from going over the fiscal cliff
    They cant: http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2...elease_181.xml

    Q: If an agreement is not reached, who do you think would be more to blame: (the Republicans in Congress) or (President Obama)? (Options randomized)

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    Both equally (VOL.) 12%
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    Republicans suck.


    Boo hiss

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_Mizzle View Post
    Yep unemployment shooting back up, in the middle of the holiday season, Merry Christmas/happy holidays libs.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159104/un...oots-back.aspx

    Please don't reply that gallup is biased in their unemployment number, I'm 99% certain BLS is going to publish the same number, unless they somehow forget to include California again LOLOLOL.
    Its ok. Dont panic. The economy will be booming next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    If you arent libertarian youre wrong.
    I know, right? Fuck poor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin View Post
    Cutting back social spending is also on the table.
    The question is whether or not it ought to be. That's a position for which there is never any serious substantiation given (just a bunch of casual naked assertions that that's the only path to a neutral budget by people who haven't actually bothered to do the math).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tad10 View Post
    Dems will not cut entitlements. Money will be spent on more shit.
    Yeah, you're right. We should be spending our money on not-shit like bombing brown people for the oil under their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    via Gary Alexander, Pennsylvania’s secretary of Public Welfare — shows, the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income and benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income & benefits of $57,045.

    Dem welfare benefits
    Except that the net income of $57,045 also comes with the prerogative of how that money is spent. "Better off" carries implications about utility that don't actually follow from this kind of crude analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Vimeseh View Post
    The Derp is strong in Bleedat. Even Democrats hate Pelosi.
    I hate that woman with a burning passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhail Bakunin View Post
    Yeah, you're right. We should be spending our money on not-shit like bombing brown people for the oil under their feet.
    What do you know, a fanatical extremist liberal in the politics thread. A rare sight indeed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    What do you know, a fanatical extremist liberal in the politics thread. A rare sight indeed....
    umadbro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhail Bakunin View Post
    The question is whether or not it ought to be. That's a position for which there is never any serious substantiation given (just a bunch of casual naked assertions that that's the only path to a neutral budget by people who haven't actually bothered to do the math).
    It's arguable about whether welfare / medicaid ought to be cut, but medicare/social security definitely need to cut. Medicare attempts to do too much, and neither program is means tested enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    It's arguable about whether welfare / medicaid ought to be cut, but medicare/social security definitely need to cut. Medicare attempts to do too much, and neither program is means tested enough.
    So ignoring the part where you're doing exactly what I said, the bit about means testing is kind of silly given that both programs were envisioned as being universal (and currently have no means testing at all, AFAIK). I might be in favor of introducing that, but given how reluctant the government is in maintaining a definition of poverty that's not absurdly low (which is understandable, given the political implications) I'd be extremely hesitant to support such a measure in practice.

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    One could argue that Medicare doesn't do enough. After all, there's an entire insurance sector dedicated to covering what Medicare doesn't (Medicare gap insurance).

    One thing I could never truly understand is why people are against Medicare, especially anyone who takes home a paycheck. You're paying into the program right now. If anything you should want it to succeed so it's there when you need it, instead of wanting it to get scaled back or even eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moontayle View Post
    One could argue that Medicare doesn't do enough.
    Nope. Can't you read? That's not on the list of things that are arguable. That's something you're definitely wrong about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhail Bakunin View Post
    So ignoring the part where you're doing exactly what I said, the bit about means testing is kind of silly given that both programs were envisioned as being universal (and currently have no means testing at all, AFAIK). I might be in favor of introducing that, but given how reluctant the government is in maintaining a definition of poverty that's not absurdly low (which is understandable, given the political implications) I'd be extremely hesitant to support such a measure in practice.
    Where did you say that ss/medicare should be more means tested?

    And I don't care how programs were envisioned. I care how they should be for the betterment of this fine country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moontayle
    One could argue that Medicare doesn't do enough. After all, there's an entire insurance sector dedicated to covering what Medicare doesn't (Medicare gap insurance).

    One thing I could never truly understand is why people are against Medicare, especially anyone who takes home a paycheck. You're paying into the program right now. If anything you should want it to succeed so it's there when you need it, instead of wanting it to get scaled back or even eliminated.
    I'm no medicare expert, but from a layman's perspect medicare (And the health care system in general) spends too much money on meager extensions of terminally ill elderly. Basically I'm pro-death panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhail Bakunin View Post
    Nope. Can't you read? That's not on the list of things that are arguable. That's something you're definitely wrong about.
    This is an open forum for discussion about politics. He and you are free to argue whatever political points you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Where did say that ss/medicare should be more means tested?
    Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    medicare/social security definitely need to cut. Medicare attempts to do too much, and neither program is means tested enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    And I don't care how programs were envisioned. I care how they should be for the betterment of this fine country.
    Old people not being able to get heathcare or pay their bills because some elected asshole doesn't want to pay the political toll of poverty going "up" under his watch as a result of adopting a realistic, current definition of the term would not be for the betterment of this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    This is an open forum for discussion about politics. He and you are free to argue whatever political points you want.
    I was just ribbing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhail Bakunin View Post
    Here?




    Old people not being able to get heathcare or pay their bills because some elected asshole doesn't want to pay the political toll of poverty going "up" under his watch as a result of adopting a realistic, current definition of the term would not be for the betterment of this country.
    sorry, typo'd


    Where did you say that ss/medicare should be more means tested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Where did you say that ss/medicare should be more means tested?
    I said I might be in favor of that in theory if the government didn't have such a terrible track record when it came to adopting realistic measures of need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araysar View Post
    Then you probably shouldnt have turned the debt ceiling into a partisan issue 18 months ago.

    Always a day late and a dollar short, Repubs.
    Yup. Them bitching about what's about to happen is hilarious. Cause the problem, then bitch about the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebudai View Post
    Yup. Them bitching about what's about to happen is hilarious. Cause the problem, then bitch about the problem.
    Then, have democrats (mainly the freaking president) gloat that he's willing to roll the dice to teach dem R's a lesson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    Then, have democrats (mainly the freaking president) gloat that he's willing to roll the dice to teach dem R's a lesson!
    You fuckers need to be taught a lesson. That stupid little stunt that you lost your ass on anyways cost US its AAA credit rating. And for what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    Then, have democrats (mainly the freaking president) gloat that he's willing to roll the dice to teach dem R's a lesson!
    Wouldn't it be easier for the House GOP to vote on a bill that extends the Bush tax cuts just on the middle class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    I'm no medicare expert, but from a layman's perspect medicare (And the health care system in general) spends too much money on meager extensions of terminally ill elderly. Basically I'm pro-death panels.
    Everyone is pro-death panels until it's their own life on the line. Then the idea of those "death panels" are not such a great thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fury View Post
    Everyone is pro-death panels until it's their own life on the line. Then the idea of those "death panels" are not such a great thing.
    I disagree. Death panels are very unpopular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    Then, have democrats (mainly the freaking president) gloat that he's willing to roll the dice to teach dem R's a lesson!
    Given the rhetoric used so far during their period of post-election introspection, whether or not Republicans are even capable of learning any lessons is debatable.

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    Wait, this is Killivek right? I have no idea how you go from Marx to Bakunin but hey, whatever floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedat View Post
    Then, have democrats (mainly the freaking president) gloat that he's willing to roll the dice to teach dem R's a lesson!
    [Citation needed]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusiphur View Post
    Wait, this is Killivek right? I have no idea how you go from Marx to Bakunin but hey, whatever floats your boat.
    If you're talking to me, I don't know who Killivek is.

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    Yes it would be much easier but right now the middle class tax cuts are the only leverage the republicans have so they don't want to sever them from the upperclass tax cuts. Eventually I think the deal will be worked out where taxes on middle class stay the same and the upper class ones go up but not to the full clinton era levels. That way both sides get to make hay on the issues with their constituency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Yes it would be much easier but right now the middle class tax cuts are the only leverage the republicans have so they don't want to sever them from the upperclass tax cuts. Eventually I think the deal will be worked out where taxes on middle class stay the same and the upper class ones go up but not to the full clinton era levels. That way both sides get to make hay on the issues with their constituency.
    That that could work for the republicans says a lot about their constituency.

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    The Supreme Court has agreed to take up cases on DOMA and Prop 8.

    EDIT: From SCOTUS Blog...

    Prop. 8 is granted on the petition question -- whether 14th Am. bars Calif. from defining marriage in traditional way. Plus an added question: Whether the backers of Prop.. 8 have standing in the case under Art. III.

    In Windsor, the government petition (12-307) is the one granted. In addition to the petition question -- whether Sec. 3 of DOMA violates equal protection under 5th Amendment, there are two other questions: does the fact that government agreed with the 2d CA decision deprive the Court of jurisdiction to hear and decide the case, and whether BLAG (House GOP leaders) has Art. III standing in this case.
    Last edited by Eyashusa; 12-07-2012 at 08:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyashusa View Post
    The Supreme Court has agreed to take up cases on DOMA and Prop 8.

    EDIT: From SCOTUS Blog...

    Prop. 8 is granted on the petition question -- whether 14th Am. bars Calif. from defining marriage in traditional way. Plus an added question: Whether the backers of Prop.. 8 have standing in the case under Art. III.

    In Windsor, the government petition (12-307) is the one granted. In addition to the petition question -- whether Sec. 3 of DOMA violates equal protection under 5th Amendment, there are two other questions: does the fact that government agreed with the 2d CA decision deprive the Court of jurisdiction to hear and decide the case, and whether BLAG (House GOP leaders) has Art. III standing in this case.
    These will be fun cases to watch.

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    I think DOMA is fucked.

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