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    [PC]Hearts of Iron 4 - Release Date June 6th

    Hearts of Iron 4... Announced.



    If they manage to make part 4 as inviting as they did Crusader Kings, this may just be as great as I had hoped part 3 would have been. I was so dissapointed in part 3.

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    They are talking about removing a lot of the micromanagement while keeping the overall focus of the game. I just hope they do something similar to EUIV. Streamline it and remove the obnoxious learning curve while retaining a lot of the depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron View Post
    They are talking about removing a lot of the micromanagement while keeping the overall focus of the game. I just hope they do something similar to EUIV. Streamline it and remove the obnoxious learning curve while retaining a lot of the depth.
    I'm in. If this resembles EU4 and CK2, then it will be amazing. I'm a big fan of Paradox these days - they haven't done anything wrong in the last few years, imo

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    Release date announced at GDC - June 6th 2016.

    World War Wednesday for those looking to catch up.

    A Link to all the dev diaries so you can see how the game has changed a bit since last year.

    Getting excited to reshape Europe.
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    So Daniel started a new play through to act as a tutorial/feature intro with Japan.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Good for seeing the mechanics and how the game is shaped up in general now.
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    Modding

    Looks like another dev group going the Xcom2 modding route (and making modding even easier). Hopefully this means we see some fairly interesting total conversions.
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    Personally I don't want a simpler game with less micro. I would play Total war or something like that if that was the case. Paradox is like the only company making kinda complex games, and now they are dumbing them more and more to appeal mass market

    Anyway I didn't play vanilla HoI3 since few years, DDICE then BlackICE ftw. I doubt I will play HOI4 before (if) the BlackICE team make it playable. You could do world domination with fucking Luxembourg in Vanilla HOI3!
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    What micro ability do you feel you've lost between 3 and 4?
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    Game went up for pre-order yesterday in 3 flavors.

    Base Game - Cadet 39.99
    Bonus Sprites - Colonel 49.99
    Expansion Pass + Art Book - Field Marshall 89.99

    All pre-orders get bonus music and their WW2 CYOA phone app. Everyone (pre-order or not) gers the Day 1 Poland DLC for free.

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    Game is coming out on Monday, Let's Plays are starting to pop up on Youtube from the usual Paradox suspects (Quill18, Enter Elysium, etc.) I've watched the first six or so episodes of Quill's Italy playthrough, the game looks pretty good. I've never played any of the previous Hearts of Iron games, I discovered Paradox through EU 4, and after sinking over a thousand hours into that and enjoying Stellaris (but not finding it super great) I'm willing to give this a shot.

    I like the idea that you can tell the AI to act like the countries did historically, or you can give them free reign to do as they please. I also like that each country gets it's own national focus tree that is unique to that country, it will give the game a lot more replayability. I do however have the sneaking suspicion that like every Paradox title I've played to date, it will take a few patches and some time for the modders to do their thing before the game becomes truly good.

    Kind of surprised there isn't a bit more action in this thread, I would have thought this board would have more than a few WWII nerds. At any rate, looking forward to fighting the second world war a few times next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyratec View Post
    Game is coming out on Monday

    Kind of surprised there isn't a bit more action in this thread, I would have thought this board would have more than a few WWII nerds. At any rate, looking forward to fighting the second world war a few times next week.
    You and me both.

    Won't lie though. I've watched all of Q18's streams as they pop up, but it's making me sad that with as bad as he is at the game he's completely steamrolling the AI as Italy while AI Germany is barely making it outside its own borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulrn View Post
    You and me both.

    Won't lie though. I've watched all of Q18's streams as they pop up, but it's making me sad that with as bad as he is at the game he's completely steamrolling the AI as Italy while AI Germany is barely making it outside its own borders.
    As this will be my first HoI game, I really have no idea if Quill is bad or not, as I don't know the game at all myself. As to the difficulty, I'm pretty sure he's not playing on the hardest level, and Paradox games aren't all that difficult once you know how to play them. That's the true difficulty of a game like EU4, figuring out how to play the game in the first place. Once you have a good understanding of the mechanics of EU4, I'd say it's a pretty easy game as well.

    Of course some achievements are very hard, like three mountains, but that's kind of artificial diffculty. It certainly isn't hard to turn Portgual or some other middle sized European country into a powerhouse after you have the game understood, which I think is pretty similar to what Quill is trying to accomplish with Italy in his play through. That being said, I'm pretty sure I'll lose my first few tries at this game.

    As I mentioned above as well, Paradox games typically benefit from some maturing. The base games they release are solid, but they dont get really good until the modders and a few patches come along. Even if this game isnt super great, I am more than happy to support Paradox so that I can get what I really want, which is EU 5.

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    Quill is playing his first game on normal so that sounds about right. I only watched he first half of ep1 so I really didn't get into it.

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    I'm essentially new to Paradox's series of games with CK2. It wasn't for me, I liked EU4 much more. And with some patches and DLC, I'll probably like Stellaris even more.

    Obviously there's some similarities between those three games. Does HoI just push even more into the warmongering spectrum while sharing some of the same base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathwing View Post
    I'm essentially new to Paradox's series of games with CK2. It wasn't for me, I liked EU4 much more. And with some patches and DLC, I'll probably like Stellaris even more.

    Obviously there's some similarities between those three games. Does HoI just push even more into the warmongering spectrum while sharing some of the same base?
    I'd say that's a prety accurate description from what I saw watching the Lets Play. More towards the EU4 side of things than the Stellaris side, but that just may be the fact that it's based on historical earth giving me that feeling. Someone who has actually played HoI before could probably give you a better answer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathwing View Post
    I'm essentially new to Paradox's series of games with CK2. It wasn't for me, I liked EU4 much more. And with some patches and DLC, I'll probably like Stellaris even more.

    Obviously there's some similarities between those three games. Does HoI just push even more into the warmongering spectrum while sharing some of the same base?
    HoI4 is mostly WW2 Era military logistics management. You spend the entire game making sure you have the right resources to build, equip, and support whatever type of specialized/generic military force you choose to conquer the world (communism /fascism) or restore/"secure" it (democracy). It's all about war down to the building and researching the weapons/equipment/tactics.

    CK2 is lineage/claim management
    EU4 is trade management
    Stellaris is a generic space civ
    HoI4 is logistics management

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    Quill is playing his first game on normal so that sounds about right. I only watched he first half of ep1 so I really didn't get into it.
    As someone with a couple hundred hours in HoI3, no, that doesn't sound about right. Quill is playing a weaker major fighting majors/multiple minors and doesn't have a clue about how to handle an air force/navy/resistance/supply logistics/focusing doctrine to his actual chosen war style/how to use the completely redone and simplified warplans correctly and is steamrolling in spite of it all.

    Africa especially - GB/France should have pushed his shit in by now (ep 13). But he's mostly secured it even incompetently playing. Normal AI should have punished/challenged him on some level. Look at Germany that has barely made it out of 1936 Germany borders - AI in press copy is definitely not ready.
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    For anyone that cares, Podcat (lead dev) responded to me today about all the AI alarm on reddit/youtube/boards and made it clear that the AI was being tweaked still and that significant changes had occurred after the press release was issued.

    Hopefully that means they saw that they somehow broke it trying to polish the press version and fixed it afterwards, because usually the AI in WWW is not nearly as bad as what has been seen on the streams.
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    Bought this on pre-order as I'm a huge Paradox fanboi, but as I mentioned in the Stellaris thread, those that know Paradox will be familiar with their release woes:

    1. Release hyped up game.
    2. Players find lots of bugs, exploits and bad AI.
    3. Paradox rushes out a series of patches over the first few weeks/month that fixes the game, but it's still lacking.
    4. Few months later the first expansion drops, and with the patches makes the game good.
    5. Mods start rolling out and make the game fantastic.
    6. ???
    7. Profit!

    Seriously, this game is going to be "weird" the first week or so, just relax and install mods if you don't find it challenging enough.

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    Game is officially live - I'm out of town, but if anyone wants to get a multi-player going in EST/CST I should have some time after this weekend.
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    Release trailer and pre-order trailer makes me think there is a cold war dlc being planned.
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    This game is definitely more "get in and go" than HoI3. No need to spend the first 3 hours of the game paused while redoing your Order of Battle!

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    Already requested a refund. Graphics look like a super nintendo game and is, in every way, inferior to Stellaris.

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    Did you ever play any other HOI games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanaskin View Post
    Did you ever play any other HOI games?
    Yes, I have HOI 2 complete. Forgive me for expecting their newest top-tier release to be even competitively similar to their brand new IP. Any other smart-ass comments?

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    BICE moving to HOI4, may be a waste, may be they will be able to do something of this game.

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    After having played a lot of HoI3 and having it mostly follow regular paths, it can be refreshingly WTF to play this with the historical focus OFF. Shit can get seriously weird then! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by orcmauler View Post
    Any other smart-ass comments?
    Your game's graphics aren't that hot either and is fairly shallow - much like your opinion.

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    BICE moving to HOI4, may be a waste, may be they will be able to do something of this game.
    I have mixed feelings with BICE from HoI3, so I'm excited for it but also think I'm looking more towards to the people taking about WW1/Valkyria/alt-history-fiction conversions.
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    I think I'm mastering the art of winning the Spanish Civil War. Trying to get the Spanish inquisition achievement and had to restart a couple of times because I'm having issues being ready for war before France allies Britain. In the process of trying a red Spain vs red France and see if that works for leaving her unallied and vulnerable to a 1v1 war.

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    Anyone interested in some multiplayer?

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    I'm out of town until the 22nd, but the multiplayer list always seemed healthy when I needed to give the AI a break. Always gotten forced into playing a major though, QQ.
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