Earth to Fox, your movies SUCK
how many more times can they ruin this comic book?
This is why Marvel movies and Tv shows can never be up to their full potential. Because the term mutant is fully in Fox's control in a world literally designed around Mutants. Even Stan Lee said it when he came up for the idea of mutants "not everyone can be blasted with cosmic rays or build a suit or be a god." So he came up with mutants as a way to fill the world and tell more stories.
yet at the same time, mutants pretty much need to be in their own mini universe to stand as equal rights allegories.
In a world with spiderman, and mutants. It makes no sense at all, no one is calling spiderman a mutant, or Hulk, or anyone else, whose origins are not well known public knowledge.
Heh, yeah I guess that's a good take on that. Never really thought of that in those terms.
I guess we really don't get to hear from the humans too much, so maybe they do call them mutants?
I think marvel is trying to start there new thing with the whole Inhuman shit. It sucks tho, I wish they weren't dumb enough to sell off all there franchises in the first place.
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The Civil War storyline lumped mutants into a group with all people with superpowers and forced them to register with the government to ensure "security". That allegory is more pertinent today than the civil rights era mutant storylines.
yeah, but thats more of a general superpowers thing. not just mutants. Everyone was subject to that. Even people with tech superpowers like Ironman.
And yeah, seem to be trying it over again with Inhumans. A bit odd. Mutants civil rights in general have moved to a much more lgbt type allegory for the most part. which works much better in the shared universe.
but yeah, it was also a bit silly in the shared universe the public would look at Hulk standing next to lets say Cyclops, and go. omg hulk is a hero! and Cyclops. Filthy mutie! People Marvel U apparently have mutant radar.
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In the house of m storyline, Spidey had to hide the fact that he still had powers and wasn't a mutant because even though it's never really brought up, the public assumes he's a mutant
Not sure how you could mess up a character that badly that was already perfected in cinema ten years ago.
same director which is odd, they should have just went with the same actor and did makeup. They took a character that isnt a big deal and made it possibly the most iconic scene out of all X-Men movies
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That's really the problem, there's never going to be a better scene for Nightcrawler than that. In the mutant world he's not all that dangerous but against people (which he never has much of a reason to fight) he's pretty amazing. I mean hell, the plot may as well have been an excuse to do that scene, it was worth it.
Edit: One of the reasons the actor wasn't in the other movies was because of issues he had if I recall. Demanding too much money, being a bastard, something of the sort. Pretty unlikely they would try reaching out to him again a decade later when they get a free pass to use a new one.
Nightcrawler is pretty powerful, he can beat a lot of people by just porting them somewhere they can not escape. For instance he could take out the Hulk pretty much instantly.
He's not limited to earth bound teleporting.
Also his teleports work by bringing him into a side dimension then back out to whatever location he is aiming at. He is still able to put people indefinitely in that side dimension tho. I believe he took Kitty in there once when they were hiding.
Never heard of Cummings being an ass, I thought Singer left for Superman and the Execs at FOX are just idiots
It doesn't have to be the same actor. Nightcrawler wasn't cool because Cummings was a great actor. His talking scenes were more obligatory than anything.
And yeah, nightcrawler's ability to teleport is great vs other mutants. I'd put him squarely in the middle of the other Xmen in terms of capability. His teleportation is the kind of asymmetrical ability that you can use to make him immensely powerful or simply defeat with quick reflexes. Can Logan's (or any other xmen really) reaction time and sensory abilities detect and react to Nightcrawler's teleportation? Depends on the writer I suppose.
He was great in XMen 2 because his look and skillset was executed perfectly. Nightcrawler's whole thing is that he's this insidious looking nightmare who is jovial, kind hearted and pious.
The above pic of the night crawler makes him look like a confused hipster who fell into a vat of blue ink.
If they make his eyes solid yellow It wont be that bad. Right now though, without the demonic eyes, he looks about as fierce as a live action my pet monster.
Is this other blue one also going to bang Jennifer Lawence IRL and take pictures of her?
I'm getting a strong Andrew Garfield vibe from that picture. I know it's not him, but it looks like him. Which means it looks like jean ralphio by proxy.
At the same time, they can't be expected to provide free promotion for other movie studios films.
They can't even say "mutants" in their movies. It's no wonder they are rebooting the whole thing. Can't keep pretending half the world doesn't exist.
Keep in mind that this next X-Men movie is set during the 80's, so Nightcrawler being an emo Flock of Seagulls is in line.
That being said, they should have just left him out entirely, leave us our X Men 2 memories.
and yeah, Teleporting is pretty OP really. you saw kurt in x2, you saw Azazel in First class, and even Blink in Days of Future past.
I would have left him out. while a key X-man... yeah. he WAS already done well. No need to bring him back to mess it up.
If they even try to touch on Mystique being his mom, its going to come out HORRIBLE.
Jubilee is going to sparkle the shit out of the horsemen
My balls are vibrating. Jubilee ftw.
That's what I get for only having read older X-Men consistently, I remember Nightcrawler being somewhat low-powered in the scheme of things. Teleporting is my super power of choice on the rare occasion that topic comes up so I'm all for more of it if they can make it look decent.
Cummings refused to do the character again because of the time spent in make up. He thought it was a colossal pain in the ass and moved on to other things.
Jubilee = Dazzler
New generation. PC thing I saw it as, new way to get racial coverage. Ok with that idea, but her character is just annoying!
Difference between Mutants vs all other "Powered" non-mutant characters, the comic universe's general public on how they see those 'Powered' characters. While non-mutant comics have Villains, the general populate looks to those to save them. Mutant world the population is one of the villains to the Heros/antiheroes. Its the population that doesnt fit in the marvel universe and not the superhumans. This is soo odd to see when reading between the different comic books. I stopped reading many of them and stayed with one side.
He also suffers from ability so OP, he can never actually use it, or it would solve 99% of all problems in 30seconds.
And there is admittedly the issue of him being such a devout Catholic. so, teleporting his hand into your chest and ripping your heart out is something he rarely does.
Teleporters tend to get reduced to "magic schoolbus" in practical use. Both, because that is actually one of the reasons a teleporter is totally OP, and because in combat using teleportation would be op. ever play any mmo with blinks, teleports, etc?
kindof like Kitty Pryde's who's powers in the comics are also kindof powerwanked out of control.
what?Jubilee = Dazzler
New generation. PC thing I saw it as, new way to get racial coverage. Ok with that idea, but her character is just annoying!
And did we find the one person that doesn't love Jubilee?
Jubilee=Second best Robin
Yes shes a vampire now.
Yeah vampire jubilee is the dumbest thing that ever happened to an already questionable character.
I like Dazzler, I played the shit out of her in the old X-Men arcade game because Nightcrawler was always already taken.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
Yeah, it would have been one thing if it was making avengers money, but it didn't. I can't really blame him for stepping it when he did
Did you guys not like Days of Future Past?
New Nightcrawler looks like a twink. Shocking, Bryan Singer. Just shocking.
If the porn isn't high res you can't get horny, but you can hate a guy at 1000 paces without a scope. That's human nature.
I was wondering where the 'great white shark' piece of Nightcrawler gear in Marvel Heroes came from, now I know. Pretty fucking funny.
he can also teleport 'part' of someone. I wonder if he can teleport adamantium apart?
It doesn't make sense but I hope Blink is in the movie (Possibly not even born yet if it takes place in the 80's). Age of Apocalypse and that hot pink skin got me through high school, dammit.
Looks like a movie!
Not sure about his limit on mass, bit his limit on range is basically his vision. If he can see it, he can go there. I don't know how that works if, say, he is in new York, watching a live feed from the moon.
I thought it was if he had seen it in the past he could go there..
2-3miles. But can chain teleport. Remember a story with him teleporting to a boat off of Genosha or something. or was it he actually ended up teleporting across the Atlantic? by porting over and over again.
The lines of sight issue is the classic. "So he doesn't teleport into a solid wall and die." he CAN it. but, if he misses, he dies.
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He's like the flash. He doesn't know his full potential. He was able to teleport cross country at one point.
He can also do what you said ,and do a series of small teleports to cover long distances.
When Kitty is with him they don't need line of sight anymore, they can just teleport through everything.
is Jennifer Lawrence going to be in this? i'm assuming yes. if so, it will suck just as bad as the last one.
Considering he was originally in the plane as a known location and saw her get sucked out of the plane which had a hole in it that's the least compromising example you could have used.
Nightcrawler does have an innate enhanced 3d perception of location/distance/etc, so his teleporting is safer.
Its totally one of those "required secondary powers" Teleporting would be deadly without it. Particularly since he is blinking into otherspace. he has to have an innate understanding of exactly how far and long he is in the otherspace to be able to come out and be exactly where he wanted to be, without being inside a tree.
Nightcrawler ought to be very good at golf and judging distances.
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Nightcrawler - Marvel Wikia
Also discusses the mass he can teleport. In short, as Column said, the upper limits of his powers are still unknown.Nightcrawler typically teleports only to places he has been to before or knows the layout of, or line-of-sight teleportation (even though his actual range is much further). Kurt's intuitive spatial awareness allows him to track his movements instinctively and with greater precision than the average person, helping him to pinpoint locations for a "blind" teleport.
Also discusses the mass he can teleport. In short, as Column said, the upper limits of his powers are still unknown.
but then of course, Hope at the time is the most important mutant in the mutant world, she is literally the messiah, which for a duty bound xman like Kurt, he probably used the power of faith to accomplish that jump.
also i believe the first time he willing bamf'd into an object (said robo arm) or did i remember that wrong?
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Like others said, he has super human spatial awareness. Which basically just means that when he teleports, he doesn't teleport 1/2 a centimeter into the ground.
It's just a plot device, guys.
His ability to teleport away connected pieces of matter is probably the most powerful ability and they shouldn't have given him that. At any given moment he's two teleports away from winning a fight, 1 teleport if he has a hold of someone.
Telepoting on top of the hulk, grabbing the hulk's head and teleporting away with just his head would be ridiculous.
He can do that too. He did it in Age of Apocalypse with someones finger. Grabbed his finger and teleported with it.
Haha. Nightcrawler you adorable bigot.
lol colossus is a faggot? never knew that
He does things like take mutant steroids made from the genes of wolverine and when wolverine tries to stop him
when given the deciding vote on if the director of the mutant torture camp should live (who also put peter through the worst of the torture)
fuck xavier's teachings
He should probably just be gay in 616(or whatever new universe is being currently made), they took away his 40 year girlfriend and just handed her over to Starlord, cuz he's cool now.
What is with the trend of making old characters suddenly gay? Colossus was in love with Kitty Pryde in multiple arcs, and let's be honest, they are living in comic book world, where every girl is a supermodel. It's not like he has to take his pick of the fatties with which to settle down.
Colossus being gay was a PR stunt. Same as bobby. There have been a handful of well done gay characters but they are new characters so they aren't latched onto the way a-listers like x-men and justice league characters are. So they "have" to rewrite well known characters. To me, colossus will never be gay. Green lantern will never be gay. Not because I have an issue with them being gay, I have an issue with arbitrary changes. If all of a sudden tony was never an alcoholic, hank pym was a likeable guy, banner LIKED hulking out... I wouldn't like them, even if ultimately it lead to interesting stories... I hate ultimate cap because his personality is super patriot xenophobe. Cap doesn't enjoy schadenfreude. He doesn't make fun of others when they are beaten. Ultimate cap? Dude rips on the French every opportunity he gets.
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were always into incest even outside of the Ultimate line.
For a history. Millar made jokes about it starting in 2001 with Ultimate X men. And in 2007 Loeb actually showed it, and in the same issue Loeb killed her.
The incest was something that was just vaguely hinted at in the regular line. In fact, hinting is probably too strong a word. It was just one of those things where they were very close and people read a little too deeply into. Ultimates just took the idea and ran with it
It kind of fits more with the times though, both the times he grew up on during world War two when people were more anti other countries including our allies and when they came out in the early 2000s after we went to war and no one supported us. The Era of freedom fries.
No, I know. It's more typical of someone's behavior that is wearing an american flag all over there body.
Its just... That's not cap. Cap is the guy who fights for EVERYONE. The quote on the statue of liberty? Give me your poor, your sick, your downtrodden. THATS cap. He's the embodiment of everything America COULD be, SHOULD be. Not what it is. It just irks me.
Going to go with the line from the Avengers... "We could use a little old fashioned..."
Develop new characters and create their own personification instead of leveraging the popularity of others and ruining them.
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Sansa is playing Jean.
Jubilee has always sucked. Not Gambit-levels of suck, but still sucky.
put in order the young girl sidekicks of creepy old man wolverine, best to worst
1. kitty pryde
Kinda got to think that age gap is meaningless tO wolverine at this point. He is gonna be 100 years older than any chick he bangs so why worry about how old she is.
Ugh. Jean is hot. Sophie Turner, not so much. Munn as psylocke should be good as long as they get a lot of tight leather covered ass shots. Also Tatum should use his accent from the start of 22 Jump Street for Gambit.
She'll probably end up in something more like her X-Force outfit.
Although if you're really unlucky they'll use Lady Mandarin.
Isn't Anna Paquin gay as well? I don't see Rogue goin around touchin all the ladies.... yet?
Paquin is married to her True Blood costar.
I think there was some stories of her being bi?
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