Ive taken the train from LA to SF, and what can i say.... best oceanview you will ever get.
Can still rent a car when you get off the train.
My girlfriend and I are planning our US trip for next summer and are aiming to do a 3 week trip to California. The current plan is to fly into San Fran and do 3-4 days there, head to LA for a few days, San Diego for 3-4 days then possibly Yosemite for a few days before flying back home from San Fran.
We are pretty set for things to do in each city but wondered if renting a car is worthwhile or if the financial savings from taking a Greyhound make it the better option? Renting a car and dropping it at the next city (as we figure we won't need a car in the cities) seems to be crazy money for just a few days. Do you US natives / experienced Cali visitors recommend shelling out for the car to ensure we see things on the way to the next city or is the saving of the Greyhound the better option to go for as the places on route worth seeing aren't, in your opinion, worth seeing that bad? One concern is that I'd love to see the Redwoods and do a decent Yosemite trip and worry that Greyhounds etc would severely limit that?
Ive taken the train from LA to SF, and what can i say.... best oceanview you will ever get.
Can still rent a car when you get off the train.
SF and SD are doable without a car, LA is too but it'll be a much bigger pain in the ass. Yosemite is pretty out of the way from the other cities. Taking a bus from SF to LA would suck balls and take at least twice as long. Not to mention less comfortable, smellier, and restricted food options. Best thing to do for SF -> LA is rent a car and take Highway 1. You'll still be able to get some redwood forest action (santa cruz mountains). Really it just comes down to budget, as 3 weeks is a good amount of time to see a large part of California.
Also, depending on what you're looking for/to do I'd say consider spreading the time out a little to some of the smaller towns along the way. Napa Valley, Santa Cruz, Monterey, Santa Barbara, etc.
Getting around SF without a car is very easy. I don't even own one. You can take the Amtrak train from Emeryville (close to SF) to LA. It's comfortable and scenic, but it'll take an entire day. The trip is over 11 hours. Once in LA, you'll need a car. Public transit is unreliable or unavailable. And the taxi fares will make you go broke.
The other good thing about the train is that it also stops in some of the smaller cities ToeMissle mentioned.
There are plenty of bus services that go to Yosemite from SF. Single day and multi-day trips are available.
If you are going to take a bus from sf to la do not take Greyhound. There are bus charter services that run between the cities. Trip takes about 6-7 hours depending on traffic and the buses themselves are pretty clean. Megabus is one of the big ones but if you search Yelp you will find reviews for a few of these services. Also you may want to sign up for Virigin America's email list as they often have super cheap airfares between SF/LA, I am taking about 70 bucks or so.
BTW you will need a car in socal, no doubt about that. It is just too spread out to see it on transit.
Rent a car in LA/SoCal... it's simply way more efficient of a way to get around, especially with the sheer # of places/sights to see
Also, if you are going from NorCal to SoCal, rent a car and take the drive down the 1 (Pacific Coast Highway) or 101 (they merge in a lot of places). Everyone needs to make that drive at least once in their life. It's that good
Hijack a hot co-ed with a butterfingers.
Unless you plan to actually leave San Francisco and drive around, there's zero need to get a car while there. Save yourself the money and aggrevation and use public transportation. And hell, the only reason I would even leave the city is to go north to wine country (only an hour away) or south to the Monterey Bay Aquarium (about 2 hours away).
Don't waste your time in LA. It's probably the worst major city in the U.S. Go to the San Diego zoo then head directly to the Bay Area. Berkeley, Santa Cruz, Oakland, San Francisco are all amazing.
I am going to SD around Xmas time, the zoo is on our list but other than that not sure how we should spend our time. Any suggestions?
Your also skipping some other really nice areas that i would suggest. My favorite place in all of CA is Carmel by the Sea, awesome little beach town with quaint hotels or b&bs with great food and right down the street from Monteray and Big Sur. Also Santa Barbara is beutiful. I would sugest cutting some time out of LA to hit these up and then go to SD. SF is great, lots to see and do, great food options.
Carmel will be magnificent in the summer. You will love Carmel and Monterey. Just remember it will be HOT! I would honestly skip Los Angeles, unless you're dead set on it. Hate the place because you can't get anywhere without driving.
If you're just looking to get from SF to LA I would fly. There's like 30 flights a day between the 3 bay area airports via Southwest and Jet Blue and they are very cheap.
That is of course if you don't want to sightsee in between the places, and there is a lot of good sightseeing between SF and LA (Monterey, Big Sur, Solvang, wine country, etc. For that you would definitely need a car. Never been particularly impressed with touristing in LA unless you like theme parks.
The sprawl just makes LA terrible. Cabs aren't worth a shit.
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for those who asked:
i haven't sucked her penis but i have stroked it. it sounds odd but i don't view it as a masculine organ on her.
As for OP, as someone who has experience working in both LA and SF, don't rent a car during your time in SF. In SF, there is plenty of free parking on Mission, with easy public transportation to take if you want to do the bar-crawl around the city (highly recommend Hayes Valley.) Get a car for the drive up to LA. The 101 is fucking beautiful to drive on. Plus LA public transportation sucks and in my opinion it's kind of a ratchet place to walk on the streets.
Hit me up if you need a place to crash in SF though.
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I-5 is quite a bit faster than the 101. By at least an hour.
101 is more scenic, but personally looking at farmland never gave me the urge to "blow my brains out".
Also on the 101, you can hit some gnarly traffic in Santa Barbara going south or north. Ugh total fucking downer man.
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Santa Barbara traffic sucks, but only happens during normal rush hours (7-9 in the morning, 5-6 at night) except for Friday (people coming in for vacation) and Sunday (people leaving from said vacation). Also a couple of spikes when UCSB gets out/gets in. Very little of that traffic is locals, it is all people who work in SB but can't afford to live there or people who are visiting. Construction all bets are off, because people lose their minds, but they just finished up their latest big project so that shouldn't be an issue.
Seriously some of the worst driving I've seen anywhere and I've lived all over the US, but it is nice that you can avoid it just by timing it correctly. Glad I don't live in SB anymore.
I-5 is much faster and the speed limit is actually 70 over most of it, but for a vacation I cannot recommend anything but taking the Pacifist Coast Highway, the 1. Unless you are very prone to car sickness because of mild curves or something, if driving while looking at pretty scenery is something you might even remotely enjoy, that is the best choice by a wide margin.
The thing that always got to me on I-5 was the aggressive drivers trying to pass on the right all the time. You can basically drive 75 with the cars in the left lane or 65 with the trucks in the right lane but there were always people who wouldn't accept that and they would pull into the right lane, go 100 mph and try to pass 3 or 4 cars on the right and then cut them off to get back in the fast lane before the next truck. So they put everyone's life at risk, cut somebody off and cause 10 people to hit their brakes, all to gain about 4 car lengths. If you do that all the way to LA you will probably gain 5 minutes on your trip and piss off 800 people. I always had to talk on the phone or listen to an audio book or something to distract myself from my road rage at those dipshits.
I used to think like you. But LA traffic is so fucking bizarre that it causes you to change your driving habits. I don't even live in LA, it's just whenever I drive through I have to drive differently.
This is a 4 lane highway though, not a freeway. Sure I'll pass on the right if I need to on a freeway, but I-5 out in farm country is different. You're going to go about the speed everyone else is going and passing on the right is just making traffic slower and more dangerous for everyone and not gaining you anything significant. Passing someone on the right just gets you to the next car that is going the same speed that they are. Like I said, it's 75 in the left lane, 65 in the right lane with the trucks, and that's just how fast you're going to go. There's literally like 10,000 cars lined up going about the same speed and passing 2 or 3 of them doesn't accomplish jack shit.
Right, I'm just saying all the people in LA drive differently. So if they're taking the 5 to go up north, they'll continue to drive like they're on the 5 in LA County.
I would always try not to let them in if they were pulling in front of me. This is dangerous as well, but it always made me so happy when they would catch up with the truck and have to hit their brakes and let all the people that they just passed go by them.
Skip LA. There is absolutely nothing worth seeing. Land at LAX rent a car drive to Santa Monica spend the a day or two. Hop back in the car and hop on Pacific Coast Highway and start driving to Napa / SF. This will allow you to see Most of the coast of CA and a few state parks, Monterey, Santa Barbara, Carmel, SF, and Napa Valley. If you have lot of time fly to San Diego check out the town go to Coronado Island - Hotel Del Mar and then head up Highway 1.
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Seriously, as posted above. Skip LA. You won't miss anything.
You would think Ethan wants his username changed to Kurt...
Thanks for all the tips from the OP.
It looks like we're going to do 3 days in SF, travel down to LA over 3 days stopping in Carmel, Monterey etc, see a friend in LA for 1/2 days then head down to SD for a few days. We'll either be hitting up Yosemite on the way out of SF or on the way back. Does anyone have any experience of staying in Hostels in CA? We're looking at the possibility as a friend did this trip and used hostels and said they were fine. She related the private rooms to a simple, clean hotel room (like a Holiday Inn here in the UK) and said they were safe, clean and not what I expected given my experience of hostels around Europe. The $$ savings seem to be quite large so would be good to hear if it's a decent plan.
There are hostels in CA? I've lived here almost all of my life, (Fairfield, Sacramento/Roseville, and San Luis Obispo for college) and I don't think I've ever noticed one or heard of anyone using them. Weird.
BrutulTM, I used to do the same exact thing on my trips to and from college (late 80s, early 90s). I'd be following the pack, which usually extends as far as the eye can see on I-5 if it is busy, and those motherfuckers would dart over to the right every chance they got, trying to leapfrog their way ahead. I never let anyone in if I could help it either. Fuck those cocksuckers. I, and everyone I can see in front of me, am going as fast as safely possible. Sorry that doesn't fit with their plans. Does this make us blood brothers or something?
I think it just makes us non-retards but it's still something to be proud of!
Just stay the nights at motels, you know like the holiday inn you mentioned or other brands eg best western. They are like everywhere over the US and usually a room for 2 was around 45$ a night, no extras needed.
There are a ton of hostels in San Francisco. They have a lot of sponsored pub crawls and stuff like that too.
All the big cities in CA (LA/SD/SF) have hostels. They are usually located in grittier parts of the city but not the ghetto. You'll know what I mean if you decide to stay in one. If you are going to spend cash for a private room in a hostel you might as well just spend some more and get a hotel/motel room.
Depends on if he's talking about North Beach or Tenderloin.
I was thinking of the one in North Beach. The Tenderloin is a little more on the scary side than just "gritty".
Noone felt afraid of getting gay gang raped walking the grittier parts of SF?
I know i was when i hurried along to the more touristic spots.
No. You're just really scared of gay people I think. And the Castro is far from gritty. There's nothing that dangerous about any parts of SF that any tourist would go to. Unless you went to Candlestick Park and decided to check out the neighborhood.
I walked through the Tenderloin alone at midnight once. No one bothered me but I did have one totally insane conversation with a guy who alternated between giving me advice on where to find prostitutes and calling me a racist. I got asked for change like 25 times. I wanted to say "If I had any change don't you think I would have given it to someone else by now?" since I had been walking the homeless gauntlet for several blocks by then. My biggest problem was that there are no fucking bathrooms whatsoever. I was struck by a fairly urgent need to shit and there was nowhere to do it. I thought for a while that I was going to be shitting on the sidewalk like the homeless people. I went to a Burger King, no bathrooms, I went to one of those fancy green outhouses, it was out of order. I finally wound up paying the cover charge at a strip club just to shit in their AIDS infested toilet. I did stay and watch the dancers for a bit after that since I had paid $20 to get in. I didn't see any gay rape gangs, just drunk black people sleeping on the sidewalk.
And yeah, gay neighborhoods are the opposite of gritty. Even when the gays move into the ghetto, it stops being the ghetto. A bunch of gay dudes moving into a ghetto area is pretty much the definition of gentrification.
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Is LA really that bad? I'm considering moving there. Like, within the next few weeks. How would it compare to a city like Shanghai or Beijing?
The weather is nice in LA, there is a lot to do. The problem is just the traffic. Everything is a long ways away from everything else and traffic is shitty all the time. Just realize that you are going to have to spend a lot of time in your car.
Whereabouts are you planning to move and what type of work will you be doing?
I've never lived in LA, but I've visited often and have many friends who have lived or do live there. If you live in a decent enough neighborhood, you'll rarely leave your area and find out all the great spots in your hood. I'd stay west of the 405 unless your job location is more inland. If that's the case the daily traffic situation wouldn't make it worth it.
The perfect example is that Inglewood is right next to Marina Del Ray (which, interestingly, is the area he's working now).
Why move to Los Angeles? Everything is way too expensive here. In other states you can actually live off minimum wage. Here min wage means you are basically homeless. If I didnt have a decent job I would move out in a heartbeat.
Yea and traffic is a total bitch.
Yeah LA is great for touristy things and all, but to me it felt way to flat instead of skyscrapers you more than not have your view limited by all these 1-2 story buildings and you find yourself stuck in the horrific traffic which will suck the life essence outtayou travling.
Not sure i cuold live there, maybe there are nice neighborhoods where it doesnt feel that strange but ive yet come to see them.
I don't know, I've lived around and to this date I'm in love with LA.
By around I mean: South America (Caracas, very populated high density), middle of nowhere Iowa (Fairfield, IA), King County (Eastside of Seattle) and now LA (southbay, El Segundo).
I work and live in El Segundo, next to the beach; yes, I drive everywhere but I don't spend ALL day in traffic; in fact, I doubt people spend ALL THEIR DAY in traffic unless you are a Fedex driver or something.
If you find a nice job you can find a nice place nearby to rent that is not 'in the ghetto' (south central LA).
If you're looking to buy a place, nice areas are starting 400k (2 bed 1 bath), granted, just like NYC LA wages are higher than the median in the country so it evens out.
LA is the definition of urban wasteland. Southern California sucks in general so if you absolutely have to live in California, look for a place in the Bay Area.
Sure, if you make a shitload of money and live right in the city and don't mind walking/public transportation everywhere, it is probably pretty cool, assuming you don't need very many days over 80 degrees in your life. But for the average person with an average job it is even worse than LA. And if you aren't talking about living right in the city, it quickly turns into that "urban wasteland" you mentioned anyway, so what's the difference? It isn't like San Jose is some beautiful garden spot, for example.
All that being said, I wouldn't want to live in LA either, for obvious reasons. But San Diego is pretty much the best weather I've ever experienced anywhere, and all the little towns/suburbs around it have slightly less traffic than SD proper, so I'd live anywhere around there in a heartbeat. And there are plenty of places around the state that are pretty decent to live, they just aren't in the two areas everyone from out of state has heard of.
I live in Sacramento, and it definitely doesn't have anything "metropolitan" to offer, and it gets pretty damn hot during the summer, but as far as somewhere to live it really isn't bad at all if you can handle hot summers. The rest of the year it is much milder than most other places, not nearly as expensive as LA or SF, and overall just pretty generic. I'm not saying come live here, but if your only two choices in California are LA and SF, you're really ruling out a ton of area. I mean, it's a big fucking state! Except for humidity or frozen tundra (although plenty of places do get snow), you can pretty much find any North American climate you want to live in if you look hard enough. And another climate could be just a few hours away.
So if you don't have to live in SF or LA, don't limit yourself to just those places.
EDIT: But don't consider Stockton or Fresno! Or pretty much any of those "central valley" cities south of Stockton. They are soul-crushingly boring. If you're in that area of the state, your best bet is sticking to the coast. But Stockton and Fresno in particular suck balls. Ask anyone, they'll say the same thing.
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The central valley is terrible unless you're a farmer. The 99 is California's Hall of Shame.
And when it comes to the Bay Area, Vvoid is mostly right. SF proper is badass. You'll likely work in the city and traffic isn't really a problem unless you're trying to take a bus 4:30-5:45 on a weekday. But like Vvoid, it's really fucking expensive. If I didn't have rent control at my current apartment, I doubt I would move into the city now. My place is probably $2,000/month by now and it's a 1BR about 850 square feet. Granted, I live in the northeastern corner of the city which is the most expensive part. You can find more affordable places by the beach but the weather is quite a bit worse and the sun isn't around as much.
Oakland is getting nicer and nicer. It's also much more affordable compared to SF, but still pretty damn expensive compared to the rest of California. North of the city, Marin gets away from the urban sprawl but your commute can suffer since there aren't nearly as many jobs up there. Beyond those spots, I wouldn't want to live anywhere in the Bay Area. The Peninsula isn't that great and is as expensive as the city without the benefits, San Jose is trash, and the East Bay outside of Oakland and Berkeley (and even in parts of these places) is either dangerously ghetto or LA-style sprawl.
I just have an affinity for the whole Bay Area and Northern California as a whole. Half Moon Bay, Foster City, San Mateo, Oakland, Palo Alto are all places I've spent considerable time. Plus, you're not far from Tahoe and towns like Santa Cruz.
We're all booked up and most of our plans are in place for California this summer. We're spending our first 4 days in San Fran, 2 days at Yosemite, 3 days in the Monterey area then down to LA to see a friend for 3 days then we'll be making our way back up to SF for our last few nights before flying home. Any advice on places we have to check out between Monterey and LA? We have 1-2 nights spare on the way back up that we'd like to check out somewhere we haven't seen yet. We've booked hotels and they say I should expect to pay local tax when I check in - any heads up on how much that is? We don't have any hidden stuff like that in the UK so I'm a bit skeptical when I'm working out a budget for the trip.
We're staying at some low budget places to save $$ on the trip - we're staying at the downtown hostel in San Fran (private room with private bathroom) on a friends recommendation and the Bug Hostel in Yosemite because my fiance thought it looked like a quirky place staying in a 'private permanent tent'. Hopefully no one has heard of murders at either of them!
I'm glad you bumped this.
I'm planning on doing a long weekend trip up the PCH. Thinking of starting in Malibu and ending at Carmel. We're going to bring the dog since we're tired of leaving her, and more than likely that means we'll end up camping. Was wondering if anyone else had done something like this and had any advice.
This is a rough "itinerary" on what I've got planned:
- Douglas Family Preserve Beach - They allow dogs, so we'll take her to play in the water
- End day 1 at El Chorro Park in SLO for camping
- Head up to Carmel and do Big Sur and whatever other sightseeing on the way.
- Camp somewhere in Carmel
- Drive Pebble Beach and whatever else we can figure out, then head home
So does anyone have any sights along the way we need to hit up? Basically needs to be dog friendly, so we'll be passing up Hearst. We'll probably end up making a separate trip to there next year. I have no idea about meals or anything else, or stops along the way that are worthwhile. I had thought about hotels for this trip, but the one dog hotel that everyone raves about in Carmel is like $300 a fucking night or something ridiculous.
For my other trips this year, I'm hoping to convince the wife to do the day hike on Mt Whitney up to Lone Pine Lake this weekend. And then sometime the first or second week of October we'll drive up 395 from Bishop to Mono Lake for the fall leaves. It's supposed to be the 2nd best foliage in the US (and last year was apparently the best year in a while, but I didn't get up there).
You know Carmel is mostly private property for Hollywoodians who dont wanna live in Beverly Hills or who want to have a villa in a smaller town with great landscape and driving ranges. So 300 bucks is what youd expect there. Id check the other places close by for cheaper rates and spots to camp, like Monterey / Salinas isnt that far off and on top of that actually affordable.
You can hit up Solvang and many wineries between Monterey and LA, and tons of awesome ocean views as Alex said.
Sort of related, but I convinced the wife to do the hike to Lone Pine Lake today. It's the first 2.5 miles or so on the way to Mount Whitney (before you need a permit). I didn't anticipate it'd be too bad, but holy shit it was rough. It's all uphill (obviously), but the altitude really did a number on me. I think it took us about 2 hours to get there. Plus another 2.5 miles back, but that's not too bad as it's all downhill. Fucking gorgeous hike though.
We're considering doing the whole thing next year now.
Been back from CA for a few days now and thought I'd write a quick review for anyone doing the same trip. Thanks for the advice anyone who gave it it definitely made things easier.
We spent 4 days in San Fran and stayed at the Hostel International Downtown on Mason Street in a private room with ensuite bathroom. It was fantastic and felt more like a budget hotel than a hostel - it came in at $400 for 3 nights which is pretty cheap for central San Fran. It was literally next door to everything we wanted to do - bike rentals, the BART and muni for transport etc. We biked the bridge which was great, saw the giants play, went to alcatraz and did some trampoline dodgeball at house of air.
We moved on to Yosemite next - we picked up our car and drove the 3-4 hours across state and stayed in a place called the Bug Hostel which was pretty bad. It was my fiance's pick as she liked the idea of these 'permanent tents'. It was the hottest thing I've ever slept in - it was 3am, I was naked, lying still and dripping with sweat! The food there was amazing though so not all bad. Yosemite itself was amazing - I really enjoyed walking up to the waterfalls and climbing all the rocks / swimming in the lake where the waterfall ends. We also did a guided bus tour around Yosemite for about $25 which was well worth it as the park ranger really got through a lot and as we were only there a day it was great. I've never been awestruck by beauty before so I was really impressed.
We moved on to Monterey and Carmel staying in a place called the Carmel Hill Lodge / Knights Inn which was good value for money. Nice, clean room with a huge TV and full cable! We chilled out here and saw a couple of films, did some shopping and took a few trips to Monterey and Carmel. I wasn't too excited by Monterey but I found Carmel very unique - the fairytale style cottages are amazing and I loved the atmosphere. It's a great place to just wander around and I loved how dog friendly it was with plenty of shops having their own dog that I could pet while my fiance shopped.
We moved down to LA for 3 days to visit a friend who showed us the sights. We stayed at the Azul Inn which looked like a prison from the outside but was really nice in our room. Our friend took us to Manhattan beach, the Santa Monica pier and a few other places and we ate at some great places. I loved Umami burger and a place called Public School (I think). I wasn't too enthused by LA as a city but the pockets that our friend took us to were great. I also enjoyed discovering a new fruit - the pluot!
Our last stop before San Fran to fly home was Santa Barbara and my fiance loved it there. We stayed at a place called Home Away from Home which turned out to be a BnB in a ladies house which was very comfortable and a good place to stop. We had some good food here and checked out a cool farmers market. We did some shopping at an outlet centre about 30mins away which was good.
In San Fran before we flew home we stayed at a place called the Cable Car Court Hotel which was cheap (we were trying to save as much money to buy clothes with) which wasn't great and I'd definitely not recommend it.
I was really impressed by SF, Yosemite, Carmel and the general feel of California. People were very friendly everywhere we went. Drivers were a bit aggressive in LA but I guess that's normal in most cities around the world. Driving was a bit confusing but fine when you get your head around the fact that a red light doesn't apply to you if you're turning right and that 4 way stops are first come first serve. I'd recommend people get the optional car insurance of like $8 a day as we were very worried we were going to get charged as some idiot at Yosemite opened his car door into our car and made a small dent / paint scratch but luckily they didn't see it when we dropped it off. I was also a bit surprised by the amount of homeless people in San Fran and LA - it was a lot higher than London and I found it quite uncomfortable being practically harassed for money every time we crossed a road etc but we learnt to ignore them and carry on. One thing about SF I was really impressed by was the public transport - the BART and Muni were very cheap and we used them a lot to get around the city for just $2! I loved the food which I knew I would and I easily put on 8-10lbs in just over 2 weeks! Cheesecake factory, Umami burger, In'N'Out (jesus christ I loved this place, the whole 50s theme and simple menu were great), The Strand in LA, the way the USA does eggs...I could go on forever!
Thanks for paying it off. Sounds like a fun trip. San Fran is way too accommodating to homeless people IMO so as a result there are a ton of them. I was eating lunch at Fisherman's Wharf once with some family members and an old Asian lady walked up and ordered us to finish our cokes so she could have our cans :P.
The Bart is nice but gets expensive if you commute across the bay which is what it was really built for. Kinda pointless to take the bart around SF itself since you can always walk to your destination pretty quickly. SF isn't that big of a city. In a real city it would be considered a neighborhood. The muni is slow as shit and breaks down a lot. Better off walking. It really is faster walking!
You shoulda gone up to the redwoods north of SF for some real amazing nature. Beats Yosemite imo. It's where they filmed the forest scenes in ROTJ.
Lol at the mental picture of a pale belgian sweating his ass off in a tent in Yosemite just to keep it real.
Just throwing it out there that my partner and I are renting out our downstairs on AIRBNB for those who come to the Bay area and don't want to pay a shit ton on hotel fees. You even get wine, hot tub, breakfast, and dinner.
Spacious Getaway in Redwood Forest in Mill Valley
Yeah, whoever tells you "oh you can easily do everything on foot in SF" is talking bullshit. It's just too big and too hilly for that.
BART service was excellent, and even with MUNI on strike for a day (sometime in the first week of June) there was enough service to wait until there was a train not fully packed.
Once you have spent some time driving in SF, walking doesn't seem so bad. That city is a fucking nightmare of one way streets going all directions, hills, traffic signals that don't hang over the street, pedestrians, bicyclists, rollerbladers all over the street, and absolutely nowhere to park.
I haven't been there, but I'm happy some cities are turning away from being based on cars. It takes a lot of space and money to accommodate a large fleet of private automobiles. That space and money can be better spent. There are some studies coming out linking economic potential and open parking lots, and it's not positive.
Yeah, SF is very unfriendly to cars. Mostly for the parking. It's quick to get to your destination, but unless you're willing to pay a lot for a parking garage (which aren't even available in many neighborhoods), you're going to add another 30 min to your travel time looking for parking. I haven't owned a car in nearly three years and I rarely miss it. I've also just gotten used to public transit - good and bad. And some people just can't handle the bad no matter how awesome the good is.
Napa had a nice 6.1 earthquake today around 3am - not a good place to visit in the next week or two. The pics I've been seeing so far are pretty wow - streets cracking, sidewalks buckling, water lines busted every damn where, some gas lines broken, etc etc. I'm 25 miles away and both the wife and I woke up when it happened - the house was shaking damn good. Son slept through it though. Gonna be a shitty day for some people.
Yeah, we had a nice earthquake here in Mill Valley.
I had some friends call me at like 4am to see if I was OK. I didn't even notice the quake and they woke me up.
Fuckin assholes amirite?
Awesome. Although that would be less than awesome on a motorcycle. In any case, we might just avoid that area, then. Although I'd personally quite like to experience an aftershock. While standing in a field, 100+ feet above any body of water.
Earthquake was pretty funny in San Fran on the 30th floor of a Hotel. Woke me up and I just figured I was still drunk. Didn't even know there was a quake until the morning when my wife texted me.
Giving a little reminder that we have a AirBNB for our downstairs unit for those who are interested in the Bay area. Best location for hiking, cycling, etc. Close to the city as well. :>
Spacious Getaway in Redwood Forest in Mill Valley
My husband and I should totally stay and we can swap!
lol. Are you in a cross generational relationship? :P
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Here's a picture of the cute couple:
Holy shit, how did you find that picture of us? STALKER!!
Someone reported my post as "borderline pedo". Haha.
I reported it in jest since it was a clear indication that Soygen has been stalking to me.
edit: Just realized you said "borderline pedo" -- yeah, that wasn't me. :P
Oh, no, but my husband is asian and I'm latino, so it's crossing lines so much, we didn't make a pit stop with white.
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