ten char limit
Let's try this again...
Last edited by Lyrical; 12-07-2012 at 02:37 AM.
man, I wish someone could just copy/paste stuff lost in the last few days.
Don't worry, we'll last here for at least a week .
From The Long Halloween. Batman is talking about listening to his father's audiotapes as a child applying it to kicking the shit out of some baddies.
If anyone has an extra LCD monitor laying around, I highly recommend flipping it vertically and using it to read CBR's.
I'm really digging the new Hawkeye series. The writing is excellent, and the art really fits. I've never been one to pay attention to the character, but the style they've gone with makes it stand on its own. The Whedonesque humour in the book helps as well.
This is my 3rd time posting this (FoH, MN, now here) lol. But seriously, The Stuff of Legend is the best graphic novel I have read in, well, my entire life. It's the story of toys who have to enter the "Dark" to save the boy who owns them from the boogeyman. I bought the first 2 collected novels, couldn't put it down and went on a day trip just to locate the third. The characters all feel very real, considering they're toys, and the jester is just a badass. Disney is in works to make a movie of it once the series has run it's course. As far as I understood it, it plans to finish by book 4/5.
Last edited by Felonius; 12-18-2012 at 12:00 AM.
Secret Wars was comic nirvana when I was in school. The Hulk holding up a mountain was badass back then.
I read Marvel Comics: The Untold Story the other day and recommend it if you have any interest in reading about how absolutely fucked up Marvel was as a company. The amount of backstabbing, drama, and retardation that happened in their offices while still managing to tell some of the best stories ever told is amazing.
It's a dry read, but has a shitload of info in it that any comic fan will find interesting. For example, Secret Wars was created around characters Mattel had licensed in order to sell toys, and the name was chosen based on market research that found that "secret" and "wars" were two words that kids loved. Spidey's black costume was from an unsolicited story a reader submitted, and was paid $220 for.
Last edited by Dom; 12-18-2012 at 04:35 AM.
Counter proposal: I go home and jerk-off
Just read Amazing Spiderman 700... Marvel just took a giant dump on decades of history.
Yeah, crazy. I'm hooked on the idea though, ill be checking out Superior Spider-Man.
yeah, sounds like its going to be a great story. We'll see where they go with it. (superiour spiderman that is)
I think I prefer my tablet to reading on the pc honestly.
I mentioned this before. But tablet platforms take 30% off the top for all sales on them. this is everything. Including things you buy on comixology.
Then comixology takes 50%. This leaves 35% for publisher/creators. If you have a publisher, aka darkhorse, Image, Archia, etc, they take 50%
Retailers are thus getting 65% of a digital comic, on a tablet. Creators 17%ish. 34c on a 1.99 comic. If it sells 5000, then creators get $1741 between writer, pencils, inker, colorist, letters, editor, assistant. thats $87/page or $14/page per personish. I dont know about you, but I pretty much will not work for $2-3/hour.
Buying direct from comixology, on the PC, then downloading to your tablet. should bypass the apple/google 30%. this also has the advantage of a check out. Buy, ok. buy ok, Buy ok. on the tablet is a bit annoying. selecting 20 books, and doing checkout once I like personally.
Buying direct from the creators if that is an option is also REALLY good for us. Try to look into if that is an option for any not DC/Marvel book you might consider.
Terry moore for example, sells direct hard copies.
Rachel rising is one of my favorites right now.
When I get around to self publishing, I'll probably sell direct cbrs, in addition to comixology.
I should mention, that math is largely why most artists, know we need to work via alternative revenue streams. t-shirts, etc. Even webcomics, give the comic for free. Both of the indies, I'm working on, are going the webcomic route.
Last edited by Caliane; 12-19-2012 at 04:14 AM.
And then Peter Parker went to Hell after having been irrevocably corrupted by his dealings with Mephisto while Doc Ock commits rape by fraud again and again and again and again.
My google-fu is failing me, and I don't have a scanner handy,
But one of the more memorable parts of any comic to me was in Azrael #100.
It was when a bloodied and shot to death Azrael talks to batman right before going to heaven/ the afterlife.
I might just be a huge Azrael fan who remembers that last issue far too well, but that two panels have stuck with me for a while.
Maybe i can download the cbr and try to get the image.
I will flay the skin from your flesh and the flesh from your bones and scrape your bones dry. And still you will not have suffered enough
I didn't even realize that leaked so early, I thought it was out this week and it's not out until next.
A lot of great books out this week though.
Well a film just came out and now we have this pile.
It makes a hell of a lot more sense, in that respect.
Am I a bad person because I kind of want it to work? The last Spider-Man movie was about a half step ahead of Meet the Spartans. Every bit as bad as FF2 or X3.
Anyways, I mentioned on one of the other boards but it's gone in to the ether. So here's my last post from FoH.
So I guess The Boys is done now. I am legitimately bummed out to not have them to look forward to anymore. I think they managed to keep the same artists for the whole run, and of course Ennis was the writer from start to finish. Always nice to see a series complete it's entire run and tell it's whole story all with the same team top to bottom.
I can't imagine anyone here hasn't tried it out, but just in case you haven't yet you really should. Especially now that it's finished.
sony has movie rights to Spiderman. only movie though. and makes me wonder what exactly that contract says.
the movieverse spiderman is the cartoon Ultimate spiderman. white 15yr old.
But what if they have a 12yr old black kid.. can they make a movie with THAT spiderman? Its a different character.
But anyway. Mindswap shit happens all the time. You are only freaking out because its not resolved in 1 issue. Lets see where they go with it first.
I'm not much of a Spidey fan, but I gave 699, 699.1 and 700 a read... and it struck me as another retarded spiderman storyline that you always hear about, like the clone shit. Marvel's been trying to get rid of Peter Parker for decades, but they always return to him shortly after.
Marvel is really sucking for me lately, and I find myself leaning towards DC now. The new 52 Batman has been fucking awesome, and death of the family is great so far.
Counter proposal: I go home and jerk-off
I mean really, Doc Ock is Spidey? As a long time Spider-Man fan and collector (started in 1977) this has to be the most god awful storyline I have ever read.
On one hand I’m thinking this has got to be a continuing story and the body of Peter Parker won’t be inhabited by the mind of Doc Ock. They already tried to switch this in the Clone Wars and that didn’t sit well. Now we have Doc Ock’s mind in Peter Parker’s body with Peter’s memories but you know what, it’s NOT PETER.
On the other hand, I'm thinking, they might actually be trying to do this and if they really are, Marvel writers have no fucking clue about their audience.
Peter Parker = Spider-Man
Spider-Man = Peter Parker
That’s it, no ifs ands or buts and no Doc Ock’s mind in Peter Parker’s body with Pete’s memories. It doesn’t work.
Here’s hoping 701 fixes this stupid story.
You mean Superior Spider-Man #1?
It's not about the readers; there is no money in that any more. It's about the movies raking in billions. From a corporate strategy perspective, they could give a rat's ass about the pennies comics are bringing in.
Last edited by Lyrical; 12-21-2012 at 10:24 PM.
It makes perfect sense and it is a plan that is both simple and elegant.
With comics it is true that they are not a cash cow but the intellectual properties of comic book characters can be incredibly valuable. The purchasing of Marvel by Disney gave them a massive pool of characters to make films with and to merchandise. They are stacking paper to the ceiling with them. If you choose to shit on the comics themselves what you are doing is deciding that you are just fine getting as many golden eggs right now as you can even if it means choking the goose to death in the process. I'm just a crazy person on the internet but were I calling the shots I would want to always be providing strong support to the comic industry that we bought in to so in the future we could look forward to more new characters to later monetize. Have both a short term and a long term strategy for those silly funny books we now own and produce. Creating a mega profitable character like Spiderman takes time. I would want more than just the licenses we initially acquired. I would want more licenses down the way as well. Part of doing that means not taking large dumps all over comic book readers.
I really don't know how comic book fans even do it to be honest. I started trying to follow what was going on in Marvel and DC back in 2003 and between then and now I've seen so much retarded shit that I've all but given up on the medium. There are absolutely amazing stories being told in comic books but when they are bad they are so bad they make me want to walk away from the whole thing.
The Gail Simone business of the last week is more hilarity on DC's incompetence.
Gail first finds on on twitter from fans that shes been fired. Denys it, because no one told her. Gets an email later that day, saying shes been fired from Batgirl.
Some other guy, is given the job.
4 days later? Gail Simone, the new writer on Batgirl.
How are new characters going to get mainstream popularity now? My bet is they'll be introduced in other media. I think the handful of people in this thread are the only ones that read paper comic books any more.
It sucks that you talk to teenage boys about comics, and their knowledge is only coming from cartoons like the Avengers or Ultimate Spider Man or Young Justice. They sit there and argue canon, of which they know nothing of. For that reason, it might explain why every time you turn on one of those cartoons, they have every character in that Universe make a cameo. My seven year old daughter watched an episode of YJ, and her head was spinning trying to keep up with Supergirl, Batgirl, Wonder Girl, etc. The companies are just throwing every character they can out there in the cartoon, since that's the only way to expose new fans to the lore (and potentially new movie characters).
It's all so sad .
Last edited by Lyrical; 12-21-2012 at 11:14 PM.
And some of those aren't even shit!
The superhero comic feels in trouble though. All of the recent cape comics I've liked have all been deconstructions like Supergod, No Hero, Black Summer, Irredeemable, and the like.
One thing is for sure, is that Marvel and DC need to go all-in on new technology. Hell, I love reading comics on my Ipad. The problem is that they don't want to undercut their stores in price, they could probably sell them for 50-75 cents and make the same profit margin, as there is no physical cost.
God gave us Ipad's just for comics.
Every game store in my area that ever dabbled into comic books died a terrible death. Walking in and seeing a wall filled with comics is like finding a lump in the shower. I hope it all goes digital.
Manga is not going digital.
Manga is getting pirated and laws for stopping it cross country are pretty shitty.
Comics are getting pirated too.... but you don't exactly have mangastream for comics. And if there was, it would get shut down immediately. (scans daily) File sharing sites on the other hand are harder to lock down.
digital unfortunately is not picking up as fast as anyone would like. the problem is multi-faceted.
The guys with the money to push it, are not doing a very good job. comixology is the best we have. but its no Steam. Marketing is shit, or just plain non-existent. How anyone thinks they can grow a market without any advertising is beyond me.
Pirated product is better then the sold product. DRM. if you buy on PC,. you can only read online. you don't get an actual copy yourself. If you buy on Mac, or tablet you can download it at least.
I should point out, I would rather people reading comics then not reading. Piracy when your book is only selling 2000 copies is... annoying.. But sharing, increases readership. /co storytimes are fantastic. stealing the book, then talking about it, is advertising. Stealing then not talking about it... ok that just sucks. It may costs sales NOW, but hopefully if its liked, it will generate sales at a later date. A fostered fan base.
Last edited by Caliane; 12-22-2012 at 01:22 PM.
saw this today. A good list of some of the best art this year.
And good books.
Check out Bedlam, glory, Manhatten projects, Prophet, Orc Stain, Saga, Hawkeye, etc.
It's the early 90's all over again!
They'd have a hell of a time distributing appropriate royalties with such a system.
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Maybe I just like somewhat meaningful lasting change, but the more I read of the new Spider-Man stuff (just read Avenging 15.1) the more I like it. I just hope by the end of the year we end up with some Firestorm-like Spider-Man with 2 consciousnesses fighting for control, or some genius/Dr. Stange/Mephisto/etc undoing everything.
Things only comics can do. or. are you seriously comparing manga to this?
I'm gonna say that All New X Men continues to delight.
This thread will in no God damned way become a comics vs. manga thread. I will nazi mod the fuck out of it before that happens.
That is just a storyboard. If your comic is just an animation still. you are doing wrong.
Why are we talking about manga here?
Also, Avengers Arena is fun to read. But they'll kill any of those characters off on a whim .
Arena would be a good read if they didn't reveal their hand in the very first issue. The only way Arcade could display the powers he did would be if it was a simulation/dream. It will end up being some virtual reality simulation where none of it actually happened.
In case any members didn't notice, comicBT came back up at some point and they're doing freeleech until Valentines. Soooo, go try out some new stuff.
I have sort of run out of good comics to read at the moment, I usually get a gigantic run of something then plough through it.
Anyone have a decent dark/horror recommendation outside of the normal Walking Dead, Lucifer, Preacher etc?
Liking Morning glories a lot at the moment.
Kinda pissed at the way they've gone with Thunderbolts, it started off as one of my favorite comics but has slowly gone to shit with the introduction of too many big names and ruining of the main characters.
DC is really just flailing in the wind atm.
They have WonderWoman and thats about it.
New Xmen, New Avengers, and Avengers are all pretty good.
The Superiour spiderman is not as interesting as I hoped. skip it.
Liking Superior quite a bit, Hulk, All New X-Men, and the Avengers books too.
Looking forward to Infinity, the event later this year. The upcoming Age of Ultron and the X-Men crossover for Age of Apocalypse and X-Treme X-Men both aren't interesting to me at all.
haha holy shit.
HarleyQuinn/Green arrow Injustice chapter is better then nearly everything mainstream DC is putting out.
Last edited by Caliane; 02-12-2013 at 04:09 PM.
Digital only tie-in for the DC fighting game
OF course there are other places to get it. theres a thread on 4chan/co atm.
Previous chapters were ok. But this one. wow.
Its like the perfect pairing, and perfect characterization.
Last edited by Caliane; 02-12-2013 at 04:38 PM.
What a pisspoor ending to the "Death of the Family" storyline.
I haven't read any DC comics in a long time but that Harley Quinn/Green Arrow I may actually pick up.
All I've heard that's really stuck about New 52 for the most part is how good the bat books are. I haven't been reading Death in the Family, it worth reading despite the ending?
I would not really recommend any of the batfamily. Maybe Batwoman.
Wonderwoman is by far the best DC book atm.
Demonknights was fantastic. New story arc I hear is still good. I have not caught up on it yet myself.
Some good stuff. Flash, SoS, JLdark, Animal man
Last edited by Caliane; 02-18-2013 at 12:05 AM.
I love GL, but as soon as I miss a few issues I say fuck it and wait for the next 500-issue mega event start so I can read the previous 500-issue mega event.
Otherwise, I almost completely ignore DC every Wednesday.
So I've got my ipad on the way. Got Mylar set up to automatically download a bunch of comics for me. Is there a calibre-like software for managing my library and syncing it to the ipad? It looks like for Windows (which I use) that ComicRack is available but I don't know if that's what I should be using. Similarly, does anyone have recommendations for software to read comics on the ipad?
After reading this, Comic Zeal looks appealing: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08...brary-on-ipad/
On an actual comic note, I just read the first trades of Saga and the Manhattan Projects and really, really enjoyed both. If you like Vaughan or Hickman you'll like these I think.
hrm. News sights are reporting Damian does die in Batman, Inc.
Morrinson's theme is Batman and robin(Black and Red) forever. so, we'll see.
batman incorporated, wonder woman, animal man, swamp thing, justice league dark, and aquaman are all excellent right now.
Namor I like, when it's just him (especially in The Defenders). But I'm with you the rest of the way.
Just read a bunch of American Vampire, got caught up on Saga, and started Bedlam. Saga is still amazing. Bedlam's art is solid, story seems good so far. Just a crazy Joker-esque villain. American Vampire is all over the place, but other people have recommended it so I assume it gets better. Next up is Prophet.
Started using an ipad3 for reading comics and I really enjoy it. I was frustrated by having to zoom each page in using ComicFlow (free), and so I went to check if ComicZeal had something to alleviate that. The first feature it lists is zoom lock. Bought it. But man oh man do I enjoy reading comics on a tablet. So good.
Read The Atlantis Chronicle by Peter David
So #1 and #2 in the Age of Ultron comics are out. It appears much of the world is destroyed. Its implied that a number of our favorite super heroes are dead. Tony Stark warned everyone what would happen if Ultron kept evolving. Any guesses to how this ends?
They logic him to death.
I don't have high hopes for how Marvel writes and ends major arcs like this anymore after AvX.
Last great Ultron story was Annihilation Conquest.
Marvel is talking about its unguessable surprise ending. I'm betting theres at least one change to the universe that can't be retconned. Maybe Captain America becomes an unstable alcoholic with PTSD? Maybe they go back in time and run into Ultron there too and can't fully undo all the damage? I hope its not just: and they defeated Ultron, woke up and didn't remember a thing.
Whatever it is I think it's all a convenient device to set up the Henry Pym of the cinematic universe.
I'm not a fan of #1 and #2 at all, I'm not sure I'm even going to buy the rest (though I will anyways out of habit or some OCD 'i have the first two' compulsion). Every panel Ultron/Ultrons are drawn in they get more insectoid too.
Reminds me of Age of XSpoiler:
Enjoying a few other books right now, the Uncanny and All New X-Books especially.
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