Chris Pine as Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan.
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Last edited by Column; 10-04-2013 at 08:14 PM.
seen shit like this before.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
Can only presume seeing that trailer finished the poor old guy off
Does anyone think that Chris Pine looks like Matt Damon in Team America?
On a serious note, while this might be a decent movie, it has absolutely fucking nothing to do with Jack Ryan or Tom Clancy. Why even bother? I don't even see what marketing tie-ins they're after, very few people know who "Jack Ryan" the character is. They know the Harrison Ford movies, sure, but this isn't James Fucking Bond here. And the people who DO know who Jack Ryan is, probably share my opinion of not giving a fuck about this movie.
Well, it looks like a better reboot than Red Rabbit was anyway.
I am a Chris Pine fan, but this looks bad. They are trying to turn Jack Ryan into James Bond or Jason Borne.
For those of us who haven't read the Jack Ryan books but hear they are good, what is he if he isn't another James Bond type?
He's a paperpusher that ends up... in higher office. I think Patriot Games is the only book he actually busts a gun out. Oh, and Hunt for Red October. Think of him (and John Clark to a lesser extent, which is a less sexy action hero) as the common thread that binds a series of books together. I highly highly rec the books:
The Hunt for Red October
The Cardinal of the Kremlin
Clear and Present Danger
The Sum of All Fears
Without Remorse (John Clark book)
Debt of Honor
Rainbow Six (John Clark book)
The Bear and the Dragon
Red Storm Rising (stand alone novel not part of that universe - WWIII as it might actually have been fought 25 years ago)
Eomer hits the nail right on the head. The Sum Of All Fears was bad enough for taking 30 odd years off the character and sending him into Russia to be all James Bond with the also far too young Clark character but this film is just using the character name and rebooting it completely. Did we need a reboot? Time will tell I guess. It might be a decent action film in its own right but why they felt the need to put Ryans name on it is rather puzzling.
Harrison Ford in Clear & Present Danger is probably the best portrayal although Baldwin wasn't bad either in Red October.
Also in another book he saw some action, Clear and present danger he worked the door mounted mini-gun on a CH-53 helicopter providing cover. Yeah like you said though that's pretty much it.
The films took an increasing liberty in trying to have his character involved in the action. The biggest departure was The Sum of all fears, where in the book he spends the entire second half in an office (his own + later the hot-line center) trying to work out the truth of the situation from scraps of info and then trying to get leaders, US and Russia, to listen to him and back away from war.
In the movie they had Ben Affleck actually going to ground zero collecting samples plus getting into numerous life and death situations.
The Jack Ryan Jr character from the later books would fit perfectly with this movie. He's not action hero either but frequently gets caught up in the mix and he does have training from the series actual action guys (Clark/Chavez) In fact the trailer looks almost exactly like it'd be a Ryan Jr movie that would fit right into the movie canon. How much could it have cost to get Ford (or Baldwin, hah) to do a quick President Ryan scene?
Of course, all of those books suck balls and have almost none of the things that made Clancy popular. They do feature terrorists shooting up a mall (or multiple malls simultaneously? something like that) - where our concealed-carry trained military supersolider heroes just HAPPEN TO BE SHOPPING TOGETHER. /eyeroll
Last edited by Kreugen; 10-05-2013 at 02:36 PM.
I would rather see Liev Schriber as John Clark rather than this.
But that's not even what I meant with my statement that "this isn't James Fucking Bond here". What I meant by that is that James Bond is an extremely well known archetype that almost anyone will recognize. Jack Ryan isn't, at all. Outside of the people who read the books, very few people know about the character. I'd wager a lot don't even realize that Baldwin and Ford were portraying the same character, or that the 3 movies were all linked together.
And seriously, I'm really the only person who thinks that Pine looks like he's retarded?
Maybe this trailer is as misleading as Drive. Perhaps we have now watched all the action scenes and instead the movie will be Chris Pine using a magnifying glass to scan grainy photos like an autistic kid but with beautiful eyes and a chiseled jawline.
Jack Ryan has pretty much been the worst cast character in all of cinema history.
That said, I think Harrison Ford played him best.
I know exactly how the meeting went down when they pitched this movie though... "established book series: check" "action hero: check" "last bourne movies did well, we'll copy that style: check" "let's print some money"
Yeah I agree. Watched The Hunt for Red October again the other night, and Baldwin just eh something was off. Not to mention the turtlenecks >< I preferred Ford in Clear and Present Danger and Patriot Games, but even so, he still played him as a wild-eyed rube of sorts. The really big fail I thought was casting William Dafoe as John Clark. I like Dafoe, but there's no way in hell he's Clark /shrug
Before any of the films were made that featured the character I always had Jesse Ventura (Predator/Running Man era) in my mind to be John Clark. They got Domingo right in Clear&Present Danger though.
C'mon man, I've read Without Remorse 3 or 4 times, although it's been awhile since the last time. Willem Dafoe is a touch under 6 feet tall, as far as a quick Google tells me. I don't recall, was there a specific mention of Clark being huge or something? He was most likely somewhere around 6' tall as well. Also keep in mind that in the Clear and Present Danger timeline Clark was around 45-50 years old.
They dont specifically mention how tall he was. However I remember several times him being mentioned as very muscular which Dafoe is definitely not.
It's not how tall he is, it's his bulk Eomer. Dafoe has wiry muscle - when every other impression in the novels gave Clark as being a man of some bulk. I don't quite see him in a Jesse Ventura kinda bulk, but more than your average guy. Regardless, he's not some wiry Dafoe.
Domingo in the film was pretty decent, though I suppose Rainbow Six gives me a much more... I dunno, snappy/sarcastic vision of him? Especially because he was younger in Clear and Present Danger.
Meh, we can agree to disagree I guess, I thought Dafoe was fine in Clear and Present Danger, and was phenomenal as a stealthy, effective soldier in Platoon.
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