trailer made it seems like another random movie full of "i have a dream" phrases/discussions
trailer made it seems like another random movie full of "i have a dream" phrases/discussions
Looks good. Oscar bait.
woulda been cool if brad pitt had combined this with world war z instead. man gets slave-ified, uses his dark magic to turn all white people into zombies, and brad pitt as the last free white man must kill all zombies but in the end he realizes the only people left on erf are all black, and he is legend
It's getting rave reviews. People are comparing it to Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan.
Link to details about the real dude/true story.
Last edited by Simas; 09-08-2013 at 04:23 PM.
looks great, huge cast.
I hate that this is a limited release. I was hoping it would be in theaters around my area today.
do they make these movies to make white people feel guilty about shit that happened 150 years ago?
Poor Sarah Paulson didn't even get a card in the actor montage thing at the end. Part in the trailer must be her only line in the movie.
*shrug* If its well directed, scripted and acted I couldn't care less what the subject matter is. I wouldn't see this out of some guilt related reason as I have zero to feel guilty about. If its a well made movie I would give it a shot. I also think saying every race based movie is Oscar bait is too much of a generalization.
EDITED FOR FOGGY!
Last edited by Juvarisx; 10-19-2013 at 01:06 AM.
+ for thin red line theme..
Yes, italian immigrants had it just as bad as blacks held in slavery, no doubt...
Every time one of these movies comes out some moron has to display his thesis on why slavery wasn't that bad and there is no reason to ever talk about it. Every fucking time.
Point taken. But I doubt he will be the only one.
Astrocreep was mario and us Anglos were Bowzer.
you guys need to rewatch gangs of new york
long ago enough that nobody alive has any memories of being a slave in the US or knowing a relative that was a slave
Holy shit i voiced my opinion.
Seems like you were stating facts, not an opinion. For example I think you should be banned is an opinion. You are a moron, is a statement of fact?
See the difference fucktard?
The opinion was black people need to stop thinking somebody owes them something because their ancestors were treated poorly by white people ancestors. The fact that nobody alive was ever a slave here bolsters that opinion. These movies basically hold black people back from ever becoming self reliant. Shit needs to stop and people like you need to stop buying into that white guilt shit.
I wonder if that point of view will be prevalent in 20 years or so when the last Holocaust survivor dies.
Regardless clearly noone here has seen the movie, I see nothign wrong with making a drama about a "taboo" time in Americana as long as its done tastefully and its well acted. From reviews this seems to be the case and I really don't see how making a movie about black ancestry holds them back any. Sounds like projection of guilt if nothing else and swings right back into the question posed earlier in this post. Would a film like Schindler's List be accused of holding Jews back if it was made 20 years from now and not in the 90's.
Holocaust shit needs to end too
holocaust is just a reminder of why jews must kill all dune coons before it happens again.
Is this one of those sorry tales where black people are slaves "boo hoo" or is it from the white man's perspective and all the white dudes will leave the theater high-fiving eachother and feeling motivated?
pretty sure its black people torture porn
The alternate representation being what, that slavery was anything less than horrible in every aspect?
Implies that white people are displayed as predominantly wrathful, slaves portrayed as victims ::
As opposed to slave owners who were not inherently malicious; slaves who deserved their bondage?
Does the degree of a slave owner's maliciousness qualify the legitimacy of slavery?
Why would a true story depict a malicious slave owner as less malicious?
Would it not make sense that a malicious person would treat a slave worse than a less malicious person?
Would it not be likely that adherents to slavery were of an order of mental sociopathy that allowed for such maliciousness, as such characterization would go hand in hand with the act of slavery?
Failed to recognize Brad Pitt's character as being sympathetic towards the slave's plight?
Making argument about general black population being self victimizing over an era in history that is no longer relevant ::
No counter arguments, as this argument does not fit the context of this thread.
Thread pertains to a movie of historical events, it has no bearing on a commonly held view by a specific population of people.
Conclusion, your argument is stupid because this movie is a depiction of something that happened, not a nod to a world view held by a population of perople
Your argument might hold a degree of validity were it in the context of the correct thread, which this is not.
However to clarify the fog that surrounds the way in which your brain links together patterns of thoughts ::
You should not feel any guilt for being white, because the slave owner was white; the color of one's skin has no bearing on their responsibility toward events that happened prior to their own existence.
You should be able to sympathize with the black person, as he is a human like you, who is put in a terrible situation and must overcome it.
Anyone that uses events that occurred prior to their existence to self-victimize their existence will find no reprieve, as the past cannot be un-wronged by parties that did not exist at the time or that no longer exist.
As a white person you should be able to appreciate that Africans sold through the slave exchange, had a terrible existence and appreciate the heritage that the descendants of those blacks
have with relation to that history, coming from a place of no money, no culture, no history beyond that of servitude, living in a nation that at one point considered you to be property.
As a black person that is descended from Africans sold through the slave exchange, you should be able to appreciate the terrible circumstances that your ancestors had to overcome, that each step they took, was forward in
the direction of progress so that you, their future children and grand-children would inherit a life not burdened with their past. That is not to say by my meaning, to forget your past, but to reconcile with the the knowledge the past can not be undone, and only the future can be progressed.
As a person you should understand slavery is as old, if not older than humanity, that the people who devised and used it were and are sociopaths who lack empathy with their common man, and their reign should never come again, or continue in places were their reign has yet to end.
Last edited by Voyce; 10-19-2013 at 11:21 PM.
Looks like a great film. Astro is gonna Astro, but that doesn't make this film look any less promising. Also: F limited releases, we live in the digital age. I would understand if a theater doesn't want to show it, but with a cast like that? C'mon.
Slaves didn't have it that bad. They got free room and board, three square meals a day, and plenty of exercise.
They have to meet their yearly quota of "white man bad" movies, and I suppose they have already exhausted the black power sports movies (the one involving the all black swim team was the shark jump).
i assume people, in fact a lot of people on this board hold thomas jefferson in high regard. yall should really look up how he felt about slavery. its not all black and white guys. (pun not intended )
Astrocreep, what do you know about Jefferson that isn't widely known by anyone on this board, or anyone at all who took a post high school American History class, or has had access to the internet at all?
Further to what end does someone else's personal affairs have an effect on what you as a person should believe, at this point in in time? I'm a fan of Aristotle, he believed the body was composed of four humors and the human mind four souls. Should I just take his word on that shit? What about Descartes he was brilliant too, and thought animals were machines that didn't feel pain, would you mind if kicked your dog around, try and confirm it?
Last edited by Voyce; 10-20-2013 at 03:38 AM.
i was being mildly facetious, sometimes it doesnt come across well in text. TJ was a badass, he was also a badass that really loved him some slavery and loving some black slaves (as is apparent in the above picture) so yeah when a slavery movie comes out, thomas jefferson is never mentioned because nobody considers him a mustache twirler baddie. not all slave owners were evil, many were because they did not consider their slaves as human, they thought of them more as farm animals there to work. but some did treat slaves well, many freed them and were allowed to go off on their own. the funny thing is, it wasnt just black people who were treated this way, asians and many other unskilled immigrants were treated like total garbage and worked to death for pennies. so many major structures still standing today were built in this manner, and this is after slavery and not only blacks. im sorry, i wont give any special sympathies for blacks when slavery is brought up. wanna make a movie with heavy handed villains, make it about cocksuckers like carnegie and rockeffeller. they fucking deserve it for treating everyone like shit.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 10-20-2013 at 03:38 AM.
I think it was stupid and kind of half-assed and not really facetious, like you borrowed an argument from another thread but you didn't really know what you were doing with it so you went and made a mess. Apparently slavery was a grey issue and not invariably that bad because other people had it hard too and Thomas Jefferson was cool.
I'll give you that early America was based around Robber Barons fucking over fobs, that's an argument supporting another film, not an argument against this film's existence.
im against these kinds of films, ditto for holocaust films and christ films that blame the jews. its a personal preference. i think everyone knows that slavery happened, that the holocaust happened to jews (as well as millions of other non jews) and that a possibly fictitious superbeing was nailed to some boards due to jewish intervention. been there, done that. how many more films need to be made on the subject?
Slavery was a culture for them. it was just part of who they were. slaves were part of their lives.
i think a good comparison is jefferson versus washington. george washington, at the end of his life, freed all his slaves according to his will. he had no debt and was completely clean. how about jefferson? who was deep in debt. he not only did not free his slave, he sold them after he passed on.
that is the legacy of jefferson in slavery.
i saw on "life after people" that he went broke building Monticello and had to cut corners when building parts of it.
We need more Speed Racer movies.
Maybe this movie has an interesting story and good acting and you shouldn't worry about whether or not it'll make you feel bad for being white.
Lol. Err thanks? What am i racist against again?
italian gangsters have been done to death. but at least the italian mafia is still a somewhat relevant thing that happened in our lifetime. even though they have been diminished and gone underground. slavery , holocaust and christ's death, not so much.
Slavery is certainly relevant. It wasn't even that long ago that the last person who lived in slavery died. And it isn't as if Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and then everyone lived happily ever after. This is a huge, integral part of our nation's history and the aftereffects of it continue to this day.
last year we had django, lincoln and abraham lincoln vampire hunter.
Django is no where near realistic (although the plantation life did have a lot of realism in it), Lincoln was not about slavery (did you even watch it?), and who gives a shit about that shitty vampire movie that is, again, not about slavery?
if you arent going to count movies that include references to slavery, thats not my problem.
So any movie that references slavery in the slightest is now "about" slavery? Talk about moving the fucking goalposts.
oh django referenced slavery only slightly now?
Django isn't a realistic movie. That's like referencing Police Academy when talking about crime movies. It is a big, bloody, gory revenge fantasy which deals with some slavery issues. Pretty well, actually.
But fucking Lincoln? No. And the other one was just you trolling and shit.
you know the answer to both those questions.
Uhh, no I don't. Have you forgotten about your reputation? I seriously have no idea whether or not you liked those movies.
All this arguing with Astrocreep about movies is a lot like watching Hodj and others argue with Lumie in other threads, except that the Lumie stuff is often hilarious.
i was massively flamed for not loving django. inglorious basterds was ok i guess, though i did love the performances from brad pitt and chris waltz. the last film from QT that i absolutely loved was kill bill 1. which is sad since i was a huge fan of tarentino's films
im not talking about that white slavery ukranian shit or whatever they got goin on in other third worlds. this is regarding slavery in the US. i would not mind a modern slavery film as that story has not been overdone like american slavery has.
Except it hasn't been overdone, at all, and you can't even name movies about slavery without resorting to "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter."
If by third world, you mean California?
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slavery is not legal anywhere here quinloe, though the government did make some park rangers work for nothing for a few weeks.
Slavery isn't legal anywhere, yet it still exists and it's gotten actually worse for those who are enslaved.
but then again, you think ALVH was a movie about slavery, so I'm getting this vibe you don't actually know what that word means.
it was a movie set during slavery and had scenes of slavery in it. so yes its a subject that was dealt with in that film though not in depth because it was a vampire film.
and again, i would not mind a modern slavery film. you should go make one. go now!
We had slavery down here in Florida recently with illegal immigrants being detained permanently by private farmers and forced to work on tomato farms and the such without pay. They got busted though.
I'm a slave to pussy.
Hah! just jokes I dominate that shit. Gator's bitches.
I'm very excited about this film. A good On Point show on this was aired recently: Slavery In American Film | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
People like Maester Chuk represent contemporary white racism, no doubt. But in his defense, I am really sick of the Steven Spielgberg style slave film, which gets talked about in the show I linked above. I think Maester's error is that his contempt is based on confusing black history (American history, really) with bad, cliche story telling. He should be bitching about Hollywood, but instead channels his meanness as a human being towards black people.
That said, I get the sense that this film is not at all that typical shit Hollywood has been feeding America about slavery. This film was made by a Brit, and he said his focus was to portray just how fucked up slavery really was and is. This might actually be a horror movie. Imagine being kidnapped, treated like dog shit, worked nonstop, given little food, all while constantly being physically and emotionally mutilated--you never get to take a shower, and your mother and sisters are constantly raped in front of you, and then you die. That is some seriously fucked up shit, and it was the economic system of our country after the founding fathers wrote our Constitution and the Bill of Rights to free us from a different kind of slavery--the tyranny of a monarch. To really understand just how fucked up this was, you have to read or see what daily interaction was like between the masters and the slaves. As an American this should be of central interest to you, because a rejection of the master-slave relationship was at the heart of our revolution. How can you explain the contradiction between hating the King and his tyranny, while creating thousands of them on plantations? No wonder slavery almost tore this country apart.
If you don't like black people, just imagine that all the slaves were white--if that doesn't help, you might not be racist and are actually just a sociopath. I don't even view this film racially--yes skin color was the measurement used in the system, but slavery has always been about the right to live free being stolen from you (which as an American I believe is inalienable and God-given), and the terror of the absolute power of a tyrant over their subjects. Do you really need to be black to understand that? American chattel slavery was the stuff of nightmares.
i think you think i channel my hatred toward black people, and you ignore that i also dont like films about bad things happening to christians or jews. dunno if its a spielberg thing, i still have not seen schindler's list or amistad so i dunno what kind of films they are. im just sick of seeing these types of films or reference released every year. its like "see guys, slavery/the holocaust/the crucifixion was bad, dont forget what happened to black/jewish/christian people" feel guilty for it!
fuck that shit, you feel guilty for it, dont push your guilt onto me. if you want to keep making world war 2 movies, why not make one about The Dresden Bombing? why not make a post civil war movie (non KKK)that showed the destruction of the south by the north? is there only one way to tell these stories? at least clint eastwood made ww2 movies with 2 different POVs.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 10-26-2013 at 04:38 PM.
I don't feel guilty. I didn't do it. I enjoy seeing interesting films of historical events. I don't necessarily enjoy biopics though. Lincoln/Hughes/etc. films are /yawn, but a film about the civil war is somehow not. I don't know why.
and i love black movies, i probably have seen every richard pryor/ rudy ray moore, jim brown or pam grier film made in the 70s. i eat that shit up, those blaxploitation films had racism but the leads werent noble martys suffering at the hands of ole mr charlie. no those guys were saying, oh yeah? me and my posse gonna kill yo white ass mofucka. tarantino loved those films too and when he made jackie brown he got the tone right, when he did django, he did that noble martyr shit.
nah dude, i got it. when waltz found him, he was all humble and calm, then he trained him to be a badass. if django was made in the 70s he would already be a badass and he would not have needed to be trained by a white man. i got that film very well.
You mean enslaved. When Waltz found him, he was all enslaved. Then Waltz freed him and Kill Bill 3: Slavery Times began.
Bro, I hate to tell you this, you're just an angry old man who probably hates black people and jews.
You have a lot of hate, you should chill out and just enjoy good movies for what they are.
lol, yeah dude i'm at the war with the world and everyone in it!! grrrrr!
how about you like what you like and i like what i like and call it a day?
The day I go around to threads of movies you like and shit all over them and any movie that might share even a remotely similar theme or concept, then we can have that agreement. Until then we are at am impasse, sir.
Well I went and saw it even though I have zero to feel guilty about lol. Oscar winning acting wrapped in an engaging story, and honestly Chuk you would probably like it. I am one to care less what the material is about and more how its presented and its a very well made movie and not a guilt piece like Amistad was. Its probably closer to Mandingo then anything else but the director doesn't try to shock you for the sake of doing so. Anyways I didn't hate it and it will probably be up for Oscars but not because its subject matter even though people will tend to think so.
Last edited by Juvarisx; 10-28-2013 at 02:29 AM.
if it gets hit up for an oscar ill probably watch it so when i say capn phillips or gravity is going to win i can say so having seen their competition.
if the rumours are true, this movie puts the Butler to shame.
I really wanted to love it but left the theatre disappointed. The film did a great job of depicting slavery's deplorable conditions and many of the scenes were quite harrowing, particularly the scene in which Solomon is beaten the morning after being kidnapped. However, it was ineffective in showing Solomon's internal struggles and the passing of time. It seriously felt like the film's events took place over the course of a few months. Also, the A-list cameos felt almost self-indulgent and the histrionic dialogue was irritating at times. It didn't really do the source material justice but I'm sure it will sweep the Oscars.
I saw this with my white friend that was a bad fucken idea
He ask you to stop talking during the movie?
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