The Wire. Fuck your proof.
Prove me wrong because I cannot think of a better show in the history of television.
The Wire. Fuck your proof.
I love Seinfeld, but you have to have the Wire, Breaking Bad and Sopranos on that list, or you are doing it wrong.
The Wire is overrated and to be honest the first season was absolute shit and not easy to get into at all. That can't be said for either of these two shows. Especially x-files.
edit: Breaking Bad is great but it's not on the same level. These past 2 seasons have really stretched out what was once a great story. Sopranos though... I could see that.
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Oh, because I have a differing opinion I'm a troll? Sorry shithead but some people consider them classics for a reason. Go back to your garbage reality television threads.
Yep troll. Seinfeld's final season was shit. Breaking bad, game of thrones, the first five seasons of lost was reality tv? Gtfo you weak troll
last two seasons of x-files were pretty shitty too if we're being honest.
Seriously? Lost? That show was absolute shit. Let me give you an example of the first 5 seasons of Lost:
-Airplane in sky goes to shit breaks into two pieces and everyone crashes on an island-
-everybody wakes up dazed and confused-
--Airplane in sky goes to shit breaks into two pieces and everyone crashes on an island-
-polar bears on a tropical island and weird noises over a radio that somehow never loses battery-
-Airplane in sky goes to shit breaks into two pieces and everyone crashes on an island-
-Everyone wakes up dazed and confused-
Sorry for the spoilers people who have never seen Lost. Just run that on repeat and you have almost every season of Lost right there. PS the ending sucked.
Game of Thrones is too new to say it's better than any show. Talk to me in 3 more seasons at least.
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Just because you didn't like Lost (I didn't either) doesn't mean it wasn't considered one of the best shows on television while it was on.
Which it was.
You mean the same bullshit Greys Anatomy that has been on for 10 seasons and has won 2 Golden Globes, won 52 other awards and has been nominated for 138 others??
Sorry, when a show is up for close to 200 awards, you calling it shitty doesn't make it shitty.
You're encroaching on Artr0's territory at this point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ed_by_Seinfeld 41+ awards WON
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_The_X-Files 26 awards WON
Grey's Anatomy? 38. Pretty damn close all around but awards don't make a good show.
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I dunno why you'd come down on The Wire for a bad season and totally ignore the nosedive the X-files took after Mulder left.
BSG on the other hand was strong all the way until the last episode.
Tarrant STFU Grey's Anatomy is garbage.
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Were you trying to prove to me that they all were nominated and won similar amounts of awards? No one said they didn't.
But by your logic then Greys Anatomy was on par with those shows. -shrug-
Also if this is you're scale of saying they are better then Greys, then M*A*S*H* did as well if not better with fewer awards categories.
Every episode of the wire was flawless.
No Mulder = no xfiles
BSG was great....much like Seinfeld it's last episode was garbage.
I didn't like Greys either, I was shocked to see it was still on but saying its a shit show when it's clearly not is silly. Just because it's not without our range of enjoyment doesn't mean it's not a great show to most.
In terms of Breaking Bad being mentioned, I just finished season 3 and so far there has only been one bad episode. Enjoying it so far.
He's still ignoring no Mulder = shit X-Files I see.
IT'S NOT X-FILES WITH NO MULDER!
and the best comedy show in the last 20 years is NOT seinfeld and its NOT a sitcom. its Top Gear. now you know.
"Well, that was it. But I won't stop. I won't give up. Because when I look at what is happening in the world, I know that now, more than ever, ...we need to be all that we can be. Now, more than ever, ...we need the Jedi."
sorry bro The Big Bang Theory is way funnier than seinfeld. It has a laugh track like Seinfeld tho so you know when to laugh. Also 2 Broke Girls is really edgy, a few more years and it will be top 5 for sure
Xfiles is just an updated twilight zone. Some episodes were amazing. Most episodes were adequate. Some episodes were plain stupid.
I never really liked Seinfeld. I liked George and I liked Newman. George just being George was usually good for a chuckle. But Elaine, Kramer, and Seinfeld himself... meh. Just meh. But I don't wanna be a pira... Shut the fuck up you whiny jew and get back to George being both awesome and stupid at the same time (but not awesomely stupid).
Both shows were fine and deserve accolades because both shows were exceptional for different reasons. But best things on TV ever? Do yourself a favor. Watch better TV.
Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, Justified, Game of Thrones--are all better on an individual episode basis, and superior on a series (Overall story) basis.
Breaking Bad, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Man Men, Homeland (Possibly, they kind of went off the rails for the final 3 episodes of S2, we'll see)--might have had some "slower" episodes than some of the better/best episodes of Xfiles (Mostly just pacing--but not even bad pacing, required deliberate pacing to tell a good story), but overall completely dominate (Even more so than the above 4 series in the previous list) in a series vs series comparison.
So, yeah, I understand you're trolling extreme up in here, but there's been a shitload of just superior TV since then. (And I like the Xfiles.) Also, Ray Donovan is getting a mention, because thus far, it's fucking amazing.
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1 episode of Deadwood was better than the entire run of the X-Files.
I agree with OP. TV as a whole, peaked with X-Files and Seinfeld.
Just watch "The Field Where I Died", "Paper Hearts", "Pine Bluff Variant" or "Folie A Deux"
Both were great shows, neither of them compare to Breaking Bad or Arrested Development. AD had a huge devoted fan base demanding it be put back on the air for 6 damn years before it finally got the green light. That's twice as long add it was even on the air. Breaking Bad has thousands of dedicated fans analyzing every scene more than the Zapruder film.
Seinfeld was the funniest basic tv show of its time, but it was more of a right time right place situation than a transcendent show. Everything was a Friends knockoff and it was just different enough to be interesting.
X-Files was great, too. But when a show you enjoy has its finale and all you can think is "No, shit? I thought it ended years ago" then it can't be the greatest show of all time.
Finally, Grey's Anatomy is a cliched piece of shit that's only slightly better than all the other generic pieces of shit that are the same damn shows with different names. If you're a 4 but you're competing against a bunch of 3s you'll win a lot of awards, but that doesn't make you a good show.
I watched arrested development. that show will never even come close to Seinfeld
Too many posts already so I haven't read everything. I love X-Files. And I believe it's one of the greatest TV shows ever created. But we're in a new age of television. X-Files is Hall of Fame worthy, but it pales in comparison to what's out there these days. X-Files had a big part in making more risque story lines and themes part of mainstream television. Hats off.
Plus you're pretty much singlehandedly responsible for dragging down the intellect of this entire sub forum - whether it's demonstrating your lack of knowledge re Game of Thrones or retarded Breaking Bad theories, you're just a joke.
That said, I agree that both the shows you mentioned are great shows, and I would rank them above Seinfeld (which I personally can't stand) and X-Files (which I watched in its entirety and liked).
I tried watching X-Files again recently since the entire series is available on Netflix. It didn't age well.
X-Files is a classic for sure. Weak finish unfortunately, but still a classic.
Seinfeld is completely unwatchable for me because of Jerry Seinfeld. Probably the only comedian in the world who can't even get a half ass chuckle out of me. That is one unfunny fucker.
I just don't understand people who don't like Seinfeld(the show not the man). The show is flawless.
I never got into X-Files so no comment on that.
The first 4 seasons of Lost are great television. The first 2 seasons of Grey's Anatomy had some of the best writing ever and I really enjoyed it but then stopped watching after the same love triangles repeated themselves for the 300th time.
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Never actually seen Honey Boo Boo, but if it went off the air I don't think anyone would be up in arms. They'd just flip through the channels and find some other shitty reality show and in a year forget it even existed
I'm convinced, if you don't like Seinfeld, you are trolling.
I'm gonna quote wikipedia to resume what is The Wire : Despite only receiving modest ratings and never winning major television awards, The Wire has been described by many critics and fans as one of the greatest TV dramas of all time. The show is recognized for its realistic portrayal of urban life, its literary ambitions, and its uncommonly deep exploration of sociopolitical themes.
I don't have any problem calling Seinfield the best TV comedy ever.
Nor do I have any issue considering X Files a classic. For drama it is not on the same level as The Wire, for all the reasons previously stated. Harvard teaches a class on the show. It is not overrated. It is perfectly rated as the best show ever.
Given its airtime acclaim, postmortem popularity and overall originality, I think you have to put Arrested Development right up there with Seinfield in the comedy category though. You can still give Seinfeld the top spot though.
All in all this is just a big troll but decent conversation regardless.
My brother is a fucking idiot.
Stupid people don't like Seinfeld because they're stupid and they can't understand it. They like humor where it's all "FUCK FUCK CUNT BITCH NIGGA PLEEZ".
Seinfeld's it's just a little different brand of humor than a lot of people are used to, I can see done people have trouble getting into it.
But saying The Wire is better than X-Files because X-files had too many "filler" episodes is really missing the point of the X-Files. The stand alone episodes were the best part. It's not lie the Wire where each season was a story that was just separated into hour long blocks. The monster of the week episodes were the best part. I liked the show the best early on before they focused as much on season/multi-season story arcs.
I have yet to even watch the Wire and can't claim if its better or not, just that the reasoning was flawed.
Yes, Seinfeld is the Mensa of high brow comedy. Totally.
Seinfeld was a total deconstruction of the American sitcom of 50 years prior. The typical A/B story line layout was completely annihilated in favor of the A/B/C/D.
You would watch the first 8 minutes before the commercial break and be introduced to 4 separate scenarios confronting the 4 main cast members and they were so different most of the time that you had no idea how they would fit. That was part of Seinfeld's brilliance - is that in 22 minutes it would inevitably bring these 4 disparate story lines crashing together in the most hilarious way possible. Every time it seemed impossible and every time they pulled it off in the most unexpected way. Combined with a total lack of morality on behalf of all characters, the inability to learn anything from their mistakes and their never ending self-analysis that we all indulge in on a daily basis - it was a perfect reflection of the self-absorbed preening America of the 1990s and beyond.
On top of that, the jokes were great and Seinfeld remains one of the most quotable sitcoms to this day, 15 years later.
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M*A*S*H alone might qualify as the best TV show ever given how many awards it was nomintated for and recieved, as well as it's ratings, and how much money it generatated for the studio and network/syndication.
I'd argue Star Trek might also be considered one of the best simply because of how many spinoffs it had, the movies it spawned, the merchandicing, how much it influenced society. We still see it's influence in TV shows today (see The Big Bang Theory).
i think syndication plays a big part on what people consider their favorite show. the local channel by me and TBS play seinfeld episodes several times a day every day. and usually around dinner time so its much more likely you end up switching over to it while chowing down. back in the early 90s this is how i got into seinfeld. i would tape the syndicated episodes to catch up then i would watch the new shows on thursday nights. its probably the best sitcom i have ever seen, but top gear is so funny its dangerous. sometimes i laugh so hard i can barely breathe. seinfeld is all around funny but top gear pops a funny at you when you arent ready and it could kill you with it!
If you wanna use the most quotable metric I think you'd have to go with The Simpsons Uber Alles. D'oh is well on it's way to replacing oops. They created a fucking word.
The structure of Seinfeld was one of the exceptional things about it. Seinfeld is a good writer. To weave something that tightly and have it seem so disjointed and random, and to do it successfully so many times around so many different subjects without seeming obviously formulaic -- that's an impressive skill. It wasn't even close to a show about nothing. He's just not that viscerally funny. But he is a very clever and creative man.
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his standup is terrible, he smiles at his own jokes. even when he isnt doing standup and he is "acting" when he makes a funny comment he smiles when he hits the punchline. if you never noticed it before now. go look for it and you will never be able to unsee it.
I fucking hate Seinfeld. The humour can be top notch, it was brilliantly written and i like most of the cast but Seinfeld himself just fucking annoys the hell out of me. I could punch his face all day
X-Files, i loved but couldn't say it was close to being the best ever. Very hit/miss with the last 2 seasons being total shit
better that those 2? Sopranos without doubt and imo West Wing, Blackadder, M*A*S*H and Game of Thrones. I haven't seen The Wire yet but haven't seen anyone who didn't think it was excellent
I'm afraid to watch The Wire because I sometimes find myself needing to go into Baltimore.
still havent watched The Wire because i dont like ghetto thugs
The Wire humanizes ghetto thugs.
Rather, The Wire shows how people just like you and me can (and do) become ghetto thugs.
Basically the show isn't about ghetto thugs. Which might seem like an odd thing to say since everyone in it is a ghetto thug, but it really is a show about regular people.
As far as Seinfeld goes, his standup was pretty awful but the writing on the show was top notch. I'm inclined to believe that Larry David had more to do with it than Seinfeld himself.
P.S. interestingly enough, the Simpsons is only quotable from like Seasons 3-9. Anything before or after that is utterly forgettable
I've never liked Seinfeld precisely because none of the characters are likable. However, I'm a big fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
The X-files was it, 1 the reasons the show slowed down the last few years was No Mulder = no xfiles.
David Duchovny wanted to start making movies so with David Duchovny not there the show died.
Vince Gilligan from breaking bad was with the x-files that is where he learned a lot of his magic.
BSG got kinda mediocre but the first 2 seasons were ridiculous and easily better than anything sans dragons.
Not sure how you can claim Seinfeld is better than Curb. If you're going to go with that type of humor, Curb wins.
Seinfeld was better than Curb. The core comedic talent was better, New York was a more interesting backdrop than L.A. and the lack of network restriction didn't add much comedy.
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Since it was brought up, I will say that in my opinion, South Park is hands down the most spot-on, intelligent satire we've seen for a long time. Possibly since A Modest Proposal.
south park while an awesome cartoon is not perfect by any means. they go through ups and downs. their last 5 years especially
What don't you slack jawed faggots like about my opinion? The fact that I liked the first four seasons of Lost (actually three now that I've though about it)? Or the fact that I can admit a show had good writing at one point even if it was written for chicks?
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