Can't wait. Loved s1, s2 less so, but the acting is incredible so I have high hopes for this season.
They just released the first trailer for season 3 of Homeland.
This show took a few episodes to get me interested in it, but ever since then, I've been hooked. Such a great drama. It's funny too, and you can't help but yell at stupid Clara Danes for thinking with her pussy instead of her head.
Can't wait. Loved s1, s2 less so, but the acting is incredible so I have high hopes for this season.
I didn't realise until the blatant green screen shot later on through the episode it was an early release. I'd seen floating text a couple of times and wondered what it meant but it was only when Saul was stood at the window it became obvious
Decent episode with a good ending. If it's early I won't go into specifics yet until it's actually broadcast.
Haha, I was wondering what that was. I saw the green screen as well, but just assumed it was like a giant cover over the crater building. *laughs*. I'm a newb.
You didn't notice the voice dubs? They had me saying "what the fuck" out loud.
Seeing a lot of negativity elsewhere from people who have seen the leak, I didn't think it was as bad as they thought although they are right on the edge of overusing one plot point in particular.
I was blitz when watching this, so when the green-screen pops up with the label "crater," there was a great deal of confusion.
Premiered for reals last Sunday, I finally watched it today. I enjoyed it, Saul certainly drives the bus right over his girl. I really like this show, but the thing that really bugs me is that Brody leaves his stupidly hot wife for crazy bitch with a man face.
Good first episode except every scene with the teenage daughter is awful. I had to fast forwarded through every one of those scenes.
What happened to that Mike guy? He was MIA.
yea, amazing how fast he vanished one Brody's whole family life went public and country traitor lol
Reasonable, although you'd figure it would be worth a mention at least to explain why he left, since he was essentially a surrogate father to those kids.
Did he die in the explosion?
I fear we'll have to suffer with the suicidal daughter side story. DO NOT CARE about her barely-a-6 self.
I was pleasantly surprised with the first episode. With the way Season 2 ended I was just really unsure where they were going to take it, and I was afraid it was going to be a bunch of silliness between Brody and Carrie.
And yeah, I can already see the huge focus that Dana is going to take with this whole suicide angle. I really hope they don't make that a major point of the show, and squash it quick.
Strange case of life imitating art with two AQ officers falling at the same time!
I hope they have the balls to kill off Brody. His storyline is no longer interesting.
Considering his storyline really hasn't started yet for this season, don't know how you can say that.
Anyway, while Dana gets a lot of hate, I like her storyline. It is interesting to see the collateral damage on a family from something like what happened. I also have a feeling that Dana will figure out that her father had nothing to do with it.
Enjoying everything with Saul and Carrie. On the televisionwithoutpity, I saw some posters get all bent out of shape at Saul's "racism". I think him making a comment about someone wearing a headscarf, while not PC, also totally fit a normal persons reaction to having 300 of their coworkers killed by a member of that religion. If someone shot up my school while proclaiming he was doing it for Jesus, I would probably be a bit irritated if someone new came to work the next day wearing a huge cross.
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Just marathoned through all the episodes the past week, dayum this is an amazing show. Haven't had such big holy shit moments in a show, like Brody praying in arabic at the end of episode 1 or the end of season 2 when all the shit went down. Saul is such a goddamn fantastic character, his interactions with Carrie are so subliminally amazing especially at the end of season 2 when the two get into it over career vs love. I have watched way too much 24 though, I was totally expecting Carrie to pull out a gun and shoot Brody at the end of season 2, and turn out to be the terrorist mole or something (which would make no sense, I know).
A bipolar insane, workaholic fuck happy female main character is something I would never, ever, ever expect to work in a million years but it works so well and Carrie is someone you love and hate all at the same time. Love all the Islamic insights too, the little speech Abu Nazir gave Carrie was fascinating. I hope they can continue making the bad guys interesting and smart.
They really need to can the Carrie is crazy shit. It's a crutch they're heavily relying on anytime they need to impede progress on her development or plot. Think of a new arc to put her in, please, for the love of god
HLBC bank hahahaha, not very subtle show writing staff!
I liked where the Dana emo took the storyline, I blatantly admit to fast forwarding the stuff where she was with her BF but the scene with her mother in the bathroom was worth it. Hopefully they tone that shit down now though.
Brody back next week or is it later in the season?
In case of plothole, please break the crazy woman glass to get out of the psych ward. Showtime is proud to announce the entire writing staff of Dexter is now working on Homeland !
Er, being crazy is keeping her in there. I would have to say that is fairly realistic lol.
Disclaimer: I haven't read this thread, due to potential spoilers.
If I loved season one and HATED season two, should I be watching season three?
If you hated season then you'll despise the first two episodes of this season.
I assume this season is gonna be similar, with a lot of shitty stuff with the family but some pretty awesome stuff going on with the CIA, Saul, and crazy lady. Also I expect at least one more episode of great tits.
why do ppl like this?
season 3 is the same as season 2, no difference, just that instead of brody we get his stupid daughter (dana) storyline. Holy shit i couldn't stand this tween bullshit, everytime she was on screen fast forward, fast forward. The last time i fast forwarded this much was dexter.
season 2, oh no carrie is crazy, oh no carrie is off her meds, oh no carrie is a genius tho! what the hell is the difference in season 3?
What I would say is, Homeland s1 is awesome because both Brody and Carrie character development are (IMO) solid. It's in a way like Rubicon TV show would have been, we've been extendly shown what the NCS is for ; action. It's everyday's life of most Langley's CIA analysts. Granted, being high profile in the most known spy agency in the world since Cold War has its perks, but it's fedgov's administration, not Zimbabwean Intelligence Service. They'll be frowned upon victories, and they'll be despised upon anything else. That's how things go. Secrecy is anything, deception is everything.
But as soon as we're fully aware of Carrie's disease (bipolar disorder with manic-depressive episodes) there is no way, I mean NO WAY this show would have been coherent in any way (thank you Chip Johanssen, 24 showrunner) because there is no way some high-clearance CIA analyst would be let on the loose with that knowledge. It's not Tom Clancy's Hollywood, it's about keeping secret clearances. If you happen to know some shit, and become a liability, you're deffo gonna be taken care of : remember, you're in some CLANDESTINE service where even your identity is questionable. It's not 1962 anymore, we're not gonna summon you at midnight on some dark ghetto alley, clip you and make you *disappear* for the sake of it. Haha, it would still happen tho, but we would never hear of it (clandestine, etc). NCS clearance makes you sign weeks long discharges where ever your whole existence is questionable. You would NEVER go to some random journalist and spill your bullshit with only your word backing it. That's not how things work, even on most BP disorder attacks.
Nowadays, highsec (there is no levels really, it's all about clearances and NTK-Need To Know basis) clearance people have secure lives (families, wives, husbands, children, etc). Why ? Because some fuck in 1947 said "secrecy is about family" because it's easier to threaten / control people when they have things they care about. Yeah this quote could or couldn't be made by Angleton. LOL, it happened 60 years ago ? Who cares ? CIA is the most important spy agency in the world nowadays. Efficient, competitive ? No, I'm talking about powership, knowledge, craftship, deception and failures. Yeah CIA is IMO all about that, a giant clusterfucker of true values choked upon ideals (I'm living in Europe). You'd really think they'd get official clearance fucks on the loose with mental diseases post 9-11 ? No, just no. Remember, we're living in bureaucracy states, where your opinion only matters when there's a trail. How about when there's no trail ?
You're being a secret spy manager, and you're gonna promote some unstable-rogue-asset right after some department wise fuckup because she was right all along ? Either you're the worst whiteknight manager all along, or you have a Jesus personal agenda. Either way, you'd have to build a search team for sense, because none of it has yet to be found.
I don't get the love affair with this either. Season 1 was excellent, but should have ended with Brody blowing up. Last season, and the first 2 episodes of this season were really poor. We get it, Carrie is crazy as fuck and Dana is a whore.
Anyone else feel uncomfortable with the 16 year old having sex? Not only is her storyline uninteresting and irrelevant, it just felt wrong. Especially when she rolled on top of him for round two.
The only thing that felt wrong is that the boyfriend is played by the same actor than the wannabe serial killer in the last season of Dexter!
This show has become un-watchable for me. I just can't believe the writers decided this would be a good direction to take the show. Can it be saved at this point?
Carrie getting committed isn't a very good storyline in my opinion. It's getting to House status where it's almost just too unbelievable to continue along with. Top that off with the fucking daughters annoying voice and whining is going to make for a shitty season. Where the hell is Brody for fucks sake.
When fohguild.org is in ashes, then you have my permission to die.
I wish the daughter didn't suck at committing suicide; fuck, terrible character.
If you think the show sucks, please, by all means, stop watching it, or at least posting about it.
Yeah, season 1 was amazing. But these writers have fallen into the classic Network TV trap--rather than the story coming first, the need to produce more episodes with star-driven marketing is coming first. This is the only reason Brody is still alive and/or relevant. His story has become so obtuse and unrealistic (In the shows setting--I could give a shit about realism vs the real world.) that it makes it difficult to watch. All because they are trying to one-up every dramatic scene with the next. But that creates this situation where it just becomes unbelievable that these characters are still functioning, given the parameters the world has drawn for us. (The guy in the video talks about it--some of the scenes are just so ridiculous it's almost comical, and it's all in the name of "more dramaz!")
If they wanted to make these drama bombs keep coming, then they have to let go of the need to keep their Emmy stars in their advertising and learn to write in the consequences for these scenes. Otherwise they need to let go of that need for every scene to be a one up of the last big dramatic scene. You can't have both--otherwise you get Sons of Anarchy, Dexter or 24-- and it just becomes something to roll your eyes at, week in and week out.
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The CIA assassin guy is developing quite nicely tho
sounds like the TL;DR is that I should just not watch this new season. Awesome.
the only reason to have more crazy carrie shit is so that claire danes can get another emmy/golden globe. I mean yea she's talented, and i heard that her portrayal of crazy/multiple personalities is so spot on lots of ppl with the disorder write and congratulate them on getting it spot on. However, this isn't ER, i'm sick of the crazy which is like ppl said a plot device to have carrie go, 2 steps forward 3 steps back.
Less bipolar disorder and more jazz/trumpet would be nice.
Well I fall into the this show sucks now crowd as well. Season 1 great stuff. Season 2 started pushing the wtf envelope a bit to far. I had the first few episodes of season 3 ready to watch and after hearing its more of season 2 I just said fuck it.
Dana is hot and I don't mind her storyline, but the spiel about suicide was pretty stupid. People who really want to die don't make unsuccessful suicide attempts. They also need to kill off Brody.
From the preview we got at the end of the last episode it seems like Brody will be turned, AGAIN. This guy basically has some kind of agenda radio built inside of him by now, you turn a few buttons so he catches your frequency and voila; you got your own 'terrorist to go'.
They could have made this episode 10 minutes long, and that's being generous. Nothing happened.
Were there subtitles for this episode? What I watched didn't have any, but I feel like it should have. Not sure if they would have redeemed the episode at all, but I spent most of it wondering what the fuck was being said.
There were no subtitles. I did not understand exactly where he was or why those dudes were so determined to keep him in their ghetto.
For me, it was one of the best episode of the show, but also totally different than what we got in the previous two seasons. Homeland always has been a very dynamic show with zero pussyfooting. Suddenly this season is very static and deals with the consequences of the previous two seasons: Carrie in the psych ward, Brody's family broken, Saul sudden capitain of a damaged ship and Brody stuck in the fringe of society. It's very different than the previous two seasons, but not less interesting and potentially a lot less shark-jumpy than season 2.
Yeah, the first 3 episodes this season have been very slow and character based as opposed to the mile a minute, save the world pace in the first two seasons. I'm assuming that there will be some terrorist plot to thwart by the end of the season, but they are taking their time getting into it.
this documentary on the real live abandoned tower is far, far more interesting than this entire season. posted by the author on somethingawful
That is pretty interesting.
You could feel during the episode it was based on something real. It's even closer to reality than one could expect: check that picture of a guy weight lifting in the tower (we saw a similar bench in the episode) with a mosque in the background.
In the FSR a few weeks back someone posted about a similar place in Hong Kong that is now destroyed: Kowloon Walled City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
another re-hash, 30minutes of fcking brody getting fixed up and slowly turned by non english speaking ppl. wtf is this stupid shit of no sub-titles? are we supposed to feel as foreign as brody without subtitles? well fck 1/3 of high school americans took spanish, just give us the fcking subtitles.
Another episode of shit. These 3 could have been combined into one catch-up episode, just like Walking Dead dropped on us. This Tower makes no sense. The ghetto kingpins will kill someone for taking a passport, but won't fink on a guy for a $10 Million reward? Right. They've wasted a quarter of the season on this garbage and we still have no idea where the storyline is going. WTF is Saul working on? Why is Carrie continuously coming in and out of the psych ward and back into a super secret position with the CIA?
Fucking get on with it.
When fohguild.org is in ashes, then you have my permission to die.
I have to be honest, while I didn't think the first two episodes were very good, I thought it was maybe cool that Brody just wasn't going to be part of the show for a little while.
Anyway, I marathoned through this whole thing over the past few days and I agree with everyone else here. Season 1 was great. Season 2 was silly. I thought a Season 3 without Brody, even with how much I like Damian Lewis, would be an interesting way to take the show. Honestly, every second he's still alive just detracts from how meticulous Season 1 was.
yea, damian lewis used up his "captain winters" cred, a long time ago, he really should have died in some explosion, but homeland needs superstars to keep going.
Gave up on this season, can't bring myself to spend the 50 minutes watching it Post in the thread if the season actually gets good again.
I actually enjoyed the Brody episode and what the Doctor told him at the end
Anyway, the first season was so incredible because it went balls out and felt like it wasn't holding back and didn't care about how it would impact later seasons. Now it seems everything that's done is to play into the next season or making sure they get 5-6. The villains aren't particularly interesting anymore and there's barely even a good guy to root for. The Carrie vs Brody stuff in season 1 was great, but they had to make her a typical woman who fell for a dude because he's handsome
I am still greatly enjoying homeland, but the nonstop pace of S1 could only have continued if they had decided Brody could die. The minute they decided not to blow up the bunker, I think it was no longer possible.
Because of this, Brody's actions should be met with much larger consequences, something the writers appear to be very reluctant to do. Instead of him being thrown in prison with a death sentence hanging over his head when its found out he's been working with terrorists and almost took out the government with a suicide vest, we get him hanging out with the vice president with barely any supervision. The show seems desperate to want to keep reminding us that, despite the things he's done, Brody is just a good guy in a bad situation, and the good guy always lives to fight another day. Which is why I think he ceased to be such an interesting character: He's become more typical - a good man trying to clear his good name.
Though, I have to say, one of the things I am enjoying about these season so far is that they actually do appear to be dealing with some of the ridiculousness from last season. The congressional inquiry seems to be designed to address some of the criticism they got for last season. Unfortunately, I'm doubting that results in any real consequences for the main characters, because, let's face it, that would involve Saul being fired or scapegoated for how incompetently Brody was handled and Carrie, at best, being demoted to a desk job, if not being thrown in jail for aiding a terrorist, and there wouldn't be much of a show then.
The only reason they (poorly) deal with previous seasons is that Howard Gordon kinda jumped the ship, and now it's all about Chip J. being the showrunner, yesmanning anything towards Emmy acting performances (bald Brody Vs crazy Carrie just when BB is over, oohhh). Story wise it doesn't make any sense because what's been written is a glorified kabuki theatre where stars drive the show. You don't like it ? Cool, Homeland is set into a 4 seasons+option business model, so they don't give a fuck about length or dramaturgy since they can wrap anything in 15 episodes and call a 1h26 telefilm for closure. Calling it now : if the show gets renewed we're gonna see Dana as the same exact role Elisha Cuthbert was during 24. That's how things get done when Chip J. in on the steering wheel.
I'm giving this season one more episode before I officially call it a pos after season one. Please let tomorrow's episode jump start something interesting.
To be fair, they couldn't keep up the pace of season 1 without turning into some cornball shit like "24". Having a new terrorist mastermind come along every few months and get vanquished by the heros would be equally if not more lame.
Season 3 is fucking terrible and i doubt it can be saved however if any writers are reading then try killing carrie and brodie's entire family, preferably very painfully and horribly. That may save this shitfest but i doubt it...
kill everything related to brody, except the wife... cuz well you know "firefly", hell replace brody with nathan fillion, isn't castle gonna end this season? (haven't or ever watched it)
I agree with Decado but save the wife she is hot.
The wife is super fucking hot and they need to write more nude scenes for her, STAT.
I watched all 4 episodes, and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I like the new season, certainly better than last season. I like that they really got into the effects of what happened and the family trying to move on and Brody a prisoner of whatever fucked up people will have him and Carrie's new shit. It isn't as good as the first season, but definitely a step up from last season. Maybe I just went into it with lowered expectations or something after reading the gnashing of teeth from here, but I like it so far. They got me with the Saul thing, I didn't see that coming. Until she showed up at his house, of course.
I like it too. It's not like S1 but I think some posters in this thread are being way too hard on it.
finding out danas boyfriend may be a serial killer was pretty cool. their plan of trading their car for a shittier car was also pretty smart, its obvious dana and her boyfriend will join forces with the CIA to battle terrorists... with their minds
Dana's BF being a killer means this is a confirmed prequel to the final season of Dexter.
When I found out he was a killer I said out loud, "Good, hope he fucking kills Dana."
The episode was a flop for me until the end when you find out Carrie and Saul have been playing the long game. Now I have some level of hope for the rest of the season.
By the time we find out what the fuck is going to happen this season, it will be over. In the words of Monty Python:
GET ON WITH IT!
When fohguild.org is in ashes, then you have my permission to die.
in a surprise twist it'll be revealed that saul is the head of the terrorist organization, and he sent carrie after himself. IS YOUR MIND BLOWN YET
i take that back dana will turn out to be sauls boss. no wait, DANA'S BROTHER
I can't help but feel a little sorry for the actress that plays Dana. She's obviously a talented actress, probably the best of the Brody clan (Damien Lewis notwithstanding), so I can understand why the writers would try to use her heavily. It's just that they haven't found a way to give her any relevance to anything that anyone cares about. I get that they want to show the impact of Brody's actions on his family, but it's not really something they need to devote 1/3 to 1/2 of episodes to. It's just become filler at this point, and unfortunately Dana gets the brunt of the hate for that.
I don't agree that it's filler. Brody's family has been a huge part of this story from day 1. Why wouldn't that continue? Especially with the new situation the family is in.I think they are frontloading her arc this season and later in the season we will have more Brody and less Dana.
One of the best part of the first season was seeing Brody's family trying to recreate bonds with their estranged dad/husband. So I was a bit bothered when Dana threw all of that away as being lies (remembering amazing bonding moments as when he confesses to her that he converted to islam), but in a way these bonds must make her feel that much more betrayed.
The out of control long con feels like a very good angle for the rest of the season, but having both the money laundering scheme and Brody in Caracas is a bit too convenient (unless we are provided for a good explaination as to why it is not a coincidence).
you know, brody family seemed just fine when "uncle mike" was just visiting every other day, alot. it's like saying brody should have stayed dead, at least i'd be thinking that if i were emo suicide girl, please dear lord at first i thought the kid was a bland emo kid, now that he's a homicidal killer, he will be my favorite character if he kills dana! the brody clan is getting way too much screen time.
Expecting the Iranians to reach out to Carrie was quite a stretch and when you look back at Carrie's behavior during the initial stages of their "sting" the twist looks kind of silly.
I don't know about that. Double agents are not exactly unheard of and if they don't smell the trap, the fact that she has been publicly thrown under the bus by her own agency and is totally nanners in the mental hospital would make her a prime candidate to take a run at for a foreign intelligence agency.
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