I am offended out of my goddamned mind.
Coming this christmas, new movie starring Keanu Reeves as a half-japanese slave who returns to fight monsters and shit? The original 47 Ronin story was about 47 samurai who lose their master in battle and fight to avenge his death ala 7 Samurai, not sure why they needed to put in a shit-ton of dragons, ogres, kiri (?) and other magical stuff in here. Looks more like Neo in Japan.
Plus the whole white-guy-saves-Japan thing...
I am offended out of my goddamned mind.
So I take it this movie has nothing to do with the previous 47 Ronin and the actual historic events (of 1702)?
this is so fucking awful
I was going to say we need some foreign folks to make THE ALAMO or some other importance piece of American folklore and turn it into something completely different with fire breathing Kentuckians and Kansas women with laser-eyes or some stupid shit.
But knowing today's audience, they'd think it is brilliant and historically accurate and be going home to see if they were related to "that cool Davy Crocker guy with the possum-skin hat that shot lighting from his cock." on Wikipedia.
And I would just die a little more inside.
Isn't Keanu Reeves half asian?
Fake edit: yes kinda: Reeves was born in Beirut, Lebanon, the son of Patricia Bond (née Taylor), a costume designer/performer, and Samuel Nowlin Reeves, Jr. His mother was English and his father was a Hawaiian-born American of Native Hawaiian, English, Irish, Portuguese, and Chinese descen
He blocked fire with a samurai sword. I'm in.
....yeaaaaaahhhh, I saw that trailer last night, and all I could do is cringe. I'm not of Japanese, or even Asian descent, but holy crap, even I felt borderline offended. Keanu??? I prayed he would be mute in the film, but then he goes and talks at the end, taunting. Epic facepalm.
Whats weird to me is how Keanu had another kung fu movie that is coming out/came out this year, when I first saw 47 Ronin trailer I thought it was that other movie and was pretty confused as to how much the plot had changed, since the other movie was pretty much a straight up bloodsport/etc.
The other movie is Man of Tai Chi (not to be confused with Tai Chi Master or Tai Chi Zero!), and apparently its not even being released in the USA in theaters, came out in China a few weeks ago.
Eh, I'll watch it and enjoy it. Probably because I don't movies offend me.
Thanks for the heads up. I was excited when I heard this was being made. Now I know it was a false alarm. Is there someplace we can petition to make them change the fucking name?
On the up side, there are not that many fantasy film set in medieval japan (you have a number of ghost stories, but it's more horror films than action movies).
There is a number of fantasy movies set in china made in Hong-Kong, of the action, comedy and even romance type (or a mix of the above). Zu, Green Snake... but Japan? There is a somewhat recent movie based on Dororo (adaptation from a classic manga with a swordsman fighting demons - also a good PS2 game called Blood Will Tell), I suspect there are Momotaro movies (a classic fairy tale involving monsters), probably some stuff based on Shigeru Mizuki (manga artist the used a lot of creature from the japanese folklore called yokai) like Gegege no Kitaro and, like I said, piles of ghost stories (Masaki Kobayashi's Kaidan being the most famous, but you can include things like Mizoguchi's Ugetsu)... but yeah, the movie equivalent of Ninja Scroll? Never seen that... well... there are these erotic ninja movies with girls shooting breast milk at enemies but... yeah... not exactly the same!
I'll get back to you on that because I have around here an encyclopedia of japanese Fantasy / Horror / SF movies...
I found one with a glorious US Trailer! And a Fukasaku movie to boot!
does anyone look at the cgi and think... syfi channel quality? the cgi looks bad, also from what i gather from the trailer, it sounds like this is more a "7 samurai" (the 1950's japanese movie with the 1hour intermission, ha), remake... to gather 7 samurai and defend a town... only they couldn't' get the rights to 7 samurai and wanted 40 more samurai in the movie, just because. I don't know what's worse keanu movies that insult the material or adam sandler movies that insult the audience.
Not a Keanu fan, but I eat up anything that is samurai/ninja... Anyone else going to see this?
going to go see thursday. after reading all the negative press would probably skip it, but friend wants to see it.
does not pass my "worth the trouble of going outside" bar, will watch at home in 4 months. shit still ain't seen man of tai chi. keanu doesn't really do a lot of movies, does he
this doesn't sound good
The beautiful disaster of â€˜47 Roninâ€™
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Yeah, this movie is getting roasted. I'm definitely passing.
Trailer looks like too much cg, more cg weird stuff, and cliches. No more goddamn eastern themed movies and chosen ones.
as anyone here seen it yet? critics seem to hate it, but most of the "normal" people reviews are saying it is pretty good 6-7/10 range.
I actually enjoyed Man of Tai Chi. That fucker is a badass.
And actually, the story wasn't bad. It was a little forced in certain places just to further the story, but it was good none the less.
Just saw this tonight, I thought it was pretty good also. No clue if it was even remotely close to the "historically accurate" version , but seeing how there was magic in it... Anyway, enjoyed it for what it was, a good popcorn flick on a cold night. Thumbs up!
If they would have left Keanu out of the movie it would have been great. Dude had no purpose in the movie at all.
I enjoyed this movie. I would give it a 6 out of ten, enjoyable but by no means a must see. The movie was very clearly samurai fantasy as long as you go in with that expectation you should enjoy it. Lord of the Rings it is not. Some parts were really great, some parts were camp but over all enjoyable. That being said a serious 47 Ronin movie would have been awesome.
Saw it tonight. It was horrible. Like 3 entertaining scenes and the rest is tripe.
Even after the conflict was over it went on for like 15 minutes, just being more lame.
saw it today.
the story is....predictable.the only thing i liked was the endSpoiler:
the actress playing the witch...probably was sucking the director's dick....worst.actress.ever.
and.....medieval japan -> no one speaks japanese,everyone speaks english lol
Last edited by ohkcrlho; 12-28-2013 at 11:55 PM.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
the saying that fact is stranger than fiction applies here. this movie if based on the actual true story and not some fantasy bastardization would have probably been braveheart epic.
Saw this a couple of weeks ago. As with others, I was puzzled by two things: Firstly, why was Keanu in this, and secondly, why did they speak English. Apart from that the film was enjoyable, and visually very pretty. And the ending was quite a surprise.
apparently they filmed the whole movie in Japanese, so guess a some point will be able to get that cut
The English only thing got to me a bit as well. I mean, I understand it's being targeted for English speaking audiences - many of whom hate having to read subtitles - but it's just ridiculous sometimes and breaks all immersion. I am almost more likely to believe that the events depicted in this movie actually occurred before I believe that everyone spoke perfect English to each other in feudal Japan. It was decent otherwise.
This movie could have been so good, they had so many cool elements, but they wasted them all.
Keanu isn't the reason this movie is mediocre, it's the script. He's acutely fine in the movie.
For instance they get these amazing swords that are different for each user allot like the stuff in Bleach, but they never even bother to show them used at all.
Also they had a really cool bad guy, but he dies to an explosion?? wtf
The whole movie is just a journey to arm themselves, then they just walk in, and there isn't much resistance.....
The Movie reminds me of that skit in Clerks 2 where Dante makes fun of the lord of the rings.
Yeah Randle, whatever...
I wish this movie could have been handled by someone with a better sense of pacing.
"It was only this past summer that Steven Spielberg arrived at the opening of a new USC School of Cinematic Arts building as a herald of doom, lamenting the Hollywood machine’s over-reliance on massive blockbusters into which they poured all of their resources, tentpoles without a tent. He soberly cautioned the crowd in his keynote speech that “There’s eventually going to be an implosion — or a big meltdown. There’s going to be an implosion where three or four or maybe even a half-dozen mega-budget movies are going to go crashing into the ground, and that’s going to change the paradigm.”
After watching “47 Ronin”, Spielberg’s words sound less like a warning than they do a hopeful glimpse of a brighter future.
Burn Hollywood burn."
Jesus, one can only hope
John Carter was just the beginning.
This past summer was a study in tent poles with no tent. We had one blockbuster a week and sometimes 2.
This movie cost close to 200 million dolllars, I am not kidding where did all the money go to?
I watched it last night, thought it was a beautiful looking movie and enjoyable. Kind of reminded me of Krull set in 1800's Japan. Fun if you go into it not looking for a serious Samurai movie. If you want a good serious Samurai movie and haven't seen them yet, I highly recommend Twilight Samurai and 13 Assassins.
The historical story has what it takes for an epic movie like 7 Samurai, but instead what was delivered is a blockbuster kind of of flick, the impressive visual type that is, not the explosion and one liners kind. I thought the genre was fitting for that approach and even tho it is a bit clunky at times I liked it a lot. If you're looking for a historical kind of samurai movie, you're going to be disappointed if not outright pissed off at what they did with the 47 Samurai story, no debate there, but the movie is pretty well done for what it is. A big plus is how they nailed the ending.
the movie was very colorful. that was the first thing I noticed immediately. However, my praise stops there. Whatever they tried to do, it wasn't impressive and was incredibly dull. I did finish watching it, though I skipped couple parts (a bunch of fight scene. Flying dragon fight was fucking gay.)
Saving your X from Y + Revenge didn't work well. I didn't know what was more important. The bushido code or damsel in distress.
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Was pretty to watch, as Trollface mentioned, pretty colours, but nothing to write home about. Ok to kill a couple of hours while browsing forums on the other monitor.
One thing, i didn't notice Tadanobu Asano was the baddie until i looked up the movie on IMDB, loved that guy in Mongol
The editing or script just seemed very poor. Just lots of small and quick scenes that broke what little flow the story had...
From what I read, Keanu's character was originally a much smaller part, but the studio did extensive reshoots to make his character much more involved in the overall story.
Last edited by Teekey; 03-25-2014 at 01:21 AM.
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