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    Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrical View Post
    Warner Bros and DC just made fans all over the world happy with the now confirmed announcement coming out of Comic Con that Batman and Superman, arguably two of the most iconic comic characters in history, are finally getting their first live action crossover film.

    The news broke a little earlier but was just made official moments ago with the WB Comic Con panel and unveiling above of the film’s logo.

    Director Zack Snyder took to the stage and brought up actor Harry Lennix to read a special message, a quote that Batman fans will remember everywhere from the immortal classic Frank Miller story, The Dark Knight Returns;

    “I want you to remember Clark,” Lennix said, “in all the years to come. In all your private moments. In all the years to come, my hand at your throat. I want you to remember, the one man who beat you.”

    Now is that a throwaway geek moment or is it serving the purpose that this movie would follow somewhat Miller’s treatment of both characters?

    Of course a Batman/Superman movie is something we’ve all been waiting for a long time, with attempts at a pairing going back over a decade or more. This film will be launched as a direct follow-up to this summer’s Man of Steel, Zack Snyder will direct, along with writer David S. Goyer and star Henry Cavill. Who’s Batman? That’s of course anybody’s guess at this point, although it’s probably safe money to say it won’t be Christian Bale or Joseph Gordon Levitt.

    Whether or not Christopher Nolan, who served as producer on Man of Steel and brought Batman out of the day-glow shadows with The Dark Knight trilogy, is involved in the film yet remains to be seen but it would certainly be interesting to see him have some guiding role in this. The movie is slated for a 2015 release and represents the first recent step to melding these character universes on the big screen.

    Also it has been confirmed that Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane will be returning for the film, along with star Henry Cavill.

    Personally, I think this is a much more interesting direction than jumping right to a Justice League movie, and will give DC the opportunity to grow this world before they start introducing characters that need a bit more explanation and finesse when it comes to the mainstream audience.

    What do you think of this news? Is this the direction you wanted to see for a Batman and Superman pairing?
    Normally, I'd be excited about a three hour action fest where Batman dons cyborg armor powered by an entire city and using Kryptonite to kick Superman's ass.

    Wait...
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    They said that if Man of Steel was successful they were going to move ahead with Justice League and a Batman/Superman movie.

    And with the Luther and Wayne Enterprises easter eggs in the movie, it's really not that big of a surprise that they're going to do this.


    I AM LEGEND also predicted it along time ago.

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    I agree with the article that this is much better than jumping straight into a Justice League movie. Color me excited.

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    yeah. I am not pleased.

    I suppose I will elaborate.

    Angry joe had some good comments on the matter. I will echo a number of them.

    Synder/Goyer teaming up again.
    A team already shown to not get Superman at all. And who have some pretty shitty movies in their library. Sequels being better then the first, is pretty fucking rare, and these clowns didn't make the first one very good.
    I look at Synder, and see he made 300. A frank Miller comic.
    Then, uses a line from DKR, to herald Superman/Batman. A frank miller elseworld. that didn't get superman. And was a giant masturbatory fantasy for Batman.
    I start getting really worried.
    If the director things DKR is in ANY way a good representation of Batman/Superman and the Worlds Finest. holy shit.

    There are also rumors the actual plot will be taken from Lex Luthor:man of steel. But thanks to the events of Man of Steel. Lex will of course be the hero, even if the movie tries to tell hes not.


    Too soon for a teamup. Superman has not been developed enough. Again, the fallout from Man of Steel has not been addressed. Going right into a teamup or brawl without ever giving Superman a chance to shine. Especially since it will almost certainly have a Batman rapes Superman moment to appease the batgod fans.
    Joe is right. It needed to be MoS, Mos2, Worlds Finest, Flash, WW, Blue and gold, Justice League, etc.

    The writer and director fucking suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caliane View Post
    yeah. I am not pleased.

    I suppose I will elaborate.

    Angry joe had some good comments on the matter. I will echo a number of them.

    Synder/Goyer teaming up again.
    A team already shown to not get Superman at all. And who have some pretty shitty movies in their library. Sequels being better then the first, is pretty fucking rare, and these clowns didn't make the first one very good.
    I look at Synder, and see he made 300. A frank Miller comic.
    Then, uses a line from DKR, to herald Superman/Batman. A frank miller elseworld. that didn't get superman. And was a giant masturbatory fantasy for Batman.
    I start getting really worried.
    If the director things DKR is in ANY way a good representation of Batman/Superman and the Worlds Finest. holy shit.

    There are also rumors the actual plot will be taken from Lex Luthor:man of steel. But thanks to the events of Man of Steel. Lex will of course be the hero, even if the movie tries to tell hes not.


    Too soon for a teamup. Superman has not been developed enough. Again, the fallout from Man of Steel has not been addressed. Going right into a teamup or brawl without ever giving Superman a chance to shine. Especially since it will almost certainly have a Batman rapes Superman moment to appease the batgod fans.
    Joe is right. It needed to be MoS, Mos2, Worlds Finest, Flash, WW, Blue and gold, Justice League, etc.

    The writer and director fucking suck.
    Where did Synder touch you? Therapy may be needed.

    Chalk me up for the excited column.

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    I'm gonna save my money and just re-watch the DC Animated Universe World's Finest which is undoubtedly much better than this will be.

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    my 2 fav comic heroes are superman and batman. if snyder could tone down the millions dead without superman giving a shit tone they did in man of steel then it should be epic awesome.

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    They'll either hit a home run or really fuck it up badly.

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    Sucks if Christian Bale is out for sure. Really, how could he turn down 40-50 million if they threw it at him for this role?

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    Thanksfully, alot of people enjoyed Man of Steel and thus this sounds like nothing short of pure gold. However w/o Bale i cannot begin to imagine who will play as batman unless its his obvious successor from TDKR.
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    I for one won't miss Bale. He was an awesome Bruce Wayne, but by the third film his Batman growl had reached comedic proportions.

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    I'm excited. Will be interesting to see how it turns out.

    If it is a batman vs superman, I am very curious how they do it. With the last 3 movies for batman, hes just been fighting basic criminals and psychopaths. Not sure how they will get him to the ability to fight a actual super powered being, especially since there has been no notion of "super preparedness" shown in the 3 batman movies.

    I really hope DC can interlace and mesh their superheroes into a really good overall Arc with several sub arcs like marvel is doing. It would be great to have that many good movies to enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinge View Post
    Not sure how they will get him to the ability to fight a actual super powered being, especially since there has been no notion of "super preparedness" shown in the 3 batman movies.
    He pretty much only uses super preparedness on metas, other than that, he melees the street level thugs.

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    There was a glimmer of Batman's potential in TDK where he aced everyone simultaneously. I don't think it'll be hard for him to keep up when everyone in the audience wants him to succeed so much that they're willing to believe in any kind of bat gadget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinge View Post
    I'm excited. Will be interesting to see how it turns out.
    I'm done getting excited over a premise. That's the easiest part of a film to come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    There was a glimmer of Batman's potential in TDK where he aced everyone simultaneously. I don't think it'll be hard for him to keep up when everyone in the audience wants him to succeed so much that they're willing to believe in any kind of bat gadget.
    Everyone knows Batman would kick Superman's ass with his superpreparedness.

    I just thought I'd get that out on the table, so we can get to our eventual 50 page argument over this. This was just the warning salvo, a shot across the bow, if you will.

    This movie is going to be like porn for nerds.

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    im curious though, why would batman ever want to fight superman? superman isnt even aggressive like that. if batman came at him all swingy and fisty, superman would just chuckle and say, "run along bruce, there is a crime happening across gotham that will take you a half hour to get to while i can be there like NOW"

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    because batman writers need a reason to keep him relevant when it comes to actual superheroes. Hence the super preparedness trope about him. And so lyrical doesn't kill himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrical View Post
    Everyone knows Batman would kick Superman's ass with his superpreparedness.

    I just thought I'd get that out on the table, so we can get to our eventual 50 page argument over this. This was just the warning salvo, a shot across the bow, if you will.

    This movie is going to be like porn for nerds.
    Anyone can beat any character if the writer wishes it.
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    As someone who didn't read the comics as a kid and so most of my exposure is through the movies, I have to say the idea that Batman is even in the same world as Superman just seems weird. The idea that there would even be a contest between them in a fight is just crazy. I think a Batman vs Superman movie is just going to seem silly as fuck.

    Teaming up, sure. The Avengers worked great, teaming up different levels of superheros with each other. Against each other? No way it doesn't seem stupid as fuck and just a total appeasement to comic nerds like Lyrical.

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    My wild guess at how they'll get Batman to fight Superman will probably involve the insane destruction Superman inadvertantly caused. Batman will see Superman as a threat to humanity and try to rein him in a bit. It will also probably involve Lex Luthor taking advantage of the destruction in the first movie to make money rebuilding, and ultimately he'll be revealed as the real villain and Superman and Batman will team up to take him down.

    If it is a batman vs superman, I am very curious how they do it. With the last 3 movies for batman, hes just been fighting basic criminals and psychopaths. Not sure how they will get him to the ability to fight a actual super powered being, especially since there has been no notion of "super preparedness" shown in the 3 batman movies.
    Lolkryptonite. Batman will probably discover it towards the beginning of the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maester Chuk View Post
    im curious though, why would batman ever want to fight superman? superman isnt even aggressive like that. if batman came at him all swingy and fisty, superman would just chuckle and say, "run along bruce, there is a crime happening across gotham that will take you a half hour to get to while i can be there like NOW"
    Have you read the Dark Knight Returns or watched the recently released animated version (parts 1 and 2?) It is written by Frank Miller and IMO it is the best comic story i have ever read. I am so pumped they made an animated movie out of it.

    Here is the Batman Vs Superman fight

    *If you have not seen this, head to TPB and get the whole thing BEFORE You watch this.

    Enjoy in all its super-preparedness glory, (even tho these clips dont show the best parts of this preparations.)

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    They'll probably bring Joseph Gordon-Levitt to be Batman after setting him up to be, uh, Robin or something except he like owns the Batcave now or whatever? Makes perfect sense, should be some fine cinema.

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    As an aside, I hope they set this movie in Baltimore. That's a city that needs destroying and nothing of value will be lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famm View Post
    They'll probably bring Joseph Gordon-Levitt to be Batman after setting him up to be, uh, Robin or something except he like owns the Batcave now or whatever? Makes perfect sense, should be some fine cinema.
    I thought he was going to end up being Nightwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCheese View Post
    My wild guess at how they'll get Batman to fight Superman will probably involve the insane destruction Superman inadvertantly caused. Batman will see Superman as a threat to humanity and try to rein him in a bit. It will also probably involve Lex Luthor taking advantage of the destruction in the first movie to make money rebuilding, and ultimately he'll be revealed as the real villain and Superman and Batman will team up to take him down.



    Lolkryptonite. Batman will probably discover it towards the beginning of the movie.
    But if its based off the MoS re-boot, there is no kyrptonite.

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    Havent read dark knight returns, but I have watched the first part of the animated movie. Is superman in pt 2? I thought pt 1 ended with the joker watching tv or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinge View Post
    But if its based off the MoS re-boot, there is no kyrptonite.
    Yeah, instead of being chunks of krypton, it's an aerosol grenade of synthetic kryptonian atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maester Chuk View Post
    Havent read dark knight returns, but I have watched the first part of the animated movie. Is superman in pt 2? I thought pt 1 ended with the joker watching tv or something.
    Yes, Part 2 is superman.

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    Well shit, I gotta watch that

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    Where the hell is the Wonder Woman movie?

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    Why is anyone excited about this? Snyder doesn't know how to develop characters. Man of Steel is pure trash.

    I'd like to see a bona fide Batman reboot. Nolan didn't do that superhero justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCheese View Post
    As an aside, I hope they set this movie in Baltimore. That's a city that needs destroying and nothing of value will be lost.
    Eh, the Harbor area is nice.

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    This shit is gonna be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharazon View Post
    Eh, the Harbor area is nice.
    The inner harbor is a glorified shopping mall. Please SuperBatRobin, don't destroy Fell's Point and Federal Hill though.

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    im mostly hoping this leads to Grayson being made.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Maester Chuk View Post
    im curious though, why would batman ever want to fight superman? superman isnt even aggressive like that. if batman came at him all swingy and fisty, superman would just chuckle and say, "run along bruce, there is a crime happening across gotham that will take you a half hour to get to while i can be there like NOW"
    Events of man of steel set it up nicely for a large part of earth to hate/mistrust superman.
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    I'm not a DC comic nerd but Superman vrs Batman isnt very far fetched to me. In my mind Lex Luthor is the iconic Supes foil. Smart, rich guy. So why wouldnt Batman fit as an adversary?

    I'm in for this, but I'm not seeing how it forwards Justice League.

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    justice league could be the prelude?

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    So a 55 year old Batman makes himself an Iron Man suit to fight Superman, and it somehow keeps his head attached to his body when Superman was punching him in the face? Fair enough.

    When Batman needed the robotic brace in TDKR I thought it was going to lead towards a full on power suit to beat Bane. Sadly he just learned that he needed to block every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreugen View Post
    So a 55 year old Batman makes himself an Iron Man suit to fight Superman, and it somehow keeps his head attached to his body when Superman was punching him in the face? Fair enough.

    When Batman needed the robotic brace in TDKR I thought it was going to lead towards a full on power suit to beat Bane. Sadly he just learned that he needed to block every now and then.
    well, superman wasn't really fighting back at all.

    It was a battle of wills more or less. Superman was a stooge and just going through the motions, because he was being blackmailed.
    He was just like, "Bruce I have to take you in" and "Bruce was like, Fuck you! I will die first, and fight you with everything I have."
    And then he did, up to and including dieing. while superman was just like, "Fine, whatever. have it your way. fucking baby. I swear to god every time. "lets order pizza! ok, pepperoni, sound good everyone.?. and you are like "no pepperoni. Know who liked pepperoni? Joe Chill had some right before he shot my parents. and my parents are DEAAAAAAAAD." we can't even order pizza without you writing a list on how to kill everyone in the room, in case we don't order the pizza you like. why are you even in the Justice league you psychopath?"
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    I was just let down when I read that he beat him with kryptonite. Well so fucking what, every man woman child and dog in DC Comics has beaten Superman with kryptonite. You don't have to be the Goddamn Batman to do that, unless your plan is to fake your own death by letting Superman beat on you a bit before you whip out your only real weapon.

    EDIT: OOH I get it. In this movie, Batman will INVENT kryptonite.
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    I just don't have much love for him since its really just a ninja with gadgets and a lot of $$, not really a super hero imo(sorry I don't count super preparedness). He's not really alone in this regard, I feel the same way about iron man, green archer etc. I can at least give credit to iron man for being extremely brilliant, since he built and designed all this stuff. Batman(based on the 3 new movies) doesn't build his stuff, its all built for him by his company and he has to be actually told and taught how to use them.

    Then you have people like grenlantern that are not really super hero themselves but get superhero powers via a ring.

    I think its why people connect so well to batman, its a lot easier to imagine getting rich and learning to fight so you can become batman, then it is to try to pretend you are born on krypton or gain some super hero powers on a genetic level(either via birth or event).
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    I like what they're doing. I just wish they weren't building this franchise on the rotten foundation that was Man of Steel.

    Superman flick. Batman vs Superman. Justice League. That's solid. That's smart.

    WHY ARE YOU LETTING ZACK SNYDER RUN THIS INTO THE GROUND?
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    WHY ARE YOU LETTING ZACK SNYDER MAKE AWESOME MOVIES THAT BRING BRING IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
    Fixed that for you.

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    It has all been leading to this. This one moment etched in time like frost on a windowpane.

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    Everyone praises Nolan and bashes Synder, everyone wants to see Batman take Superman. Shut up and let them give you exactly that. The recent movies make it totally believable that Superman could get owned.

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    I dont care to see this at all. Love Batman, Hate Superman. Think superman is the lamest character and hero there is. So this might as well be Batman vs Predator.

    wait...Can we just have that movie?

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    the number one biggest issue with EVERY batman film is that that they do next to nothing to showcase batman's detective skills. batman is sherlock holmes with a cape. THAT'S why he can beat superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caliane View Post
    I swear to god every time. "lets order pizza! ok, pepperoni, sound good everyone.?. and you are like "no pepperoni. Know who liked pepperoni? Joe Chill had some right before he shot my parents. and my parents are DEAAAAAAAAD." we can't even order pizza without you writing a list on how to kill everyone in the room, in case we don't order the pizza you like. why are you even in the Justice league you psychopath?"
    So that's pretty fucking funny

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    Movie is going to live and die on who they cast as Batman and how he is portrayed in the movie. The Bale movies set a sort of expectation of how people see Batman in the movies and if this strays to far from that, I don't think people are going to like it.

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    I really feel like they need to have another Batman movie where we get our new Batman before they do a Batman/Superman movie.

    EW is floating Ryan Gosling as a possible Bale replacement, citing that they need someone with the star-appeal of RDJ to go toe-to-toe with Marvel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakriss View Post
    The recent movies make it totally believable that Superman could get owned.
    Huh? In the last film Batman got his back broke by a normal strength human. Superman on the other hand was thrown across half a city into a safe door and was perfectly fine. They also haven't shown any superdetective Batman or any kind of silly super-preparedness, so at least in movie canon, it would be absurd to see Batman be able to do much of anything to Superman.

    Except for lolkryptonite, which is just lame storytelling.

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    exactly why they need SOMETHING to showcase detective batman. they have done nothing to do that so far and without it he's just... a psychopath with delusions of granduer

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    Quote Originally Posted by opiate82 View Post
    I really feel like they need to have another Batman movie where we get our new Batman before they do a Batman/Superman movie.
    I agree with this. Another batman movie, to get used to a new actor and to also show at least some skills that would be able to make him even have a chance at superman.

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    But what would another Batman movie with the new actor bring us?

    Yet ANOTHER fucking franchise reboot? No thank you.

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    Jizzed in my pants.

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    a reboot would work if they skip about 5 years into him being batman, then show his 1st encounter with a superpowered bad guy, where he would have to step up his prep and planning game. could be done as a $50-70mil detective story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar View Post
    I dont care to see this at all. Love Batman, Hate Superman. Think superman is the lamest character and hero there is. So this might as well be Batman vs Predator.

    wait...Can we just have that movie?
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    that movie didn't make any sense. why would batman attack the predator when he clearly just saved his life. and why would all the other predators attack batman after he beat the first predator? they would recieve him with honor! CONTINUITY = BROKEN

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatface View Post
    a reboot would work if they skip about 5 years into him being batman, then show his 1st encounter with a superpowered bad guy, where he would have to step up his prep and planning game. could be done as a $50-70mil detective story.
    i would LOVE an old school batman noir movie. it wouldn't fit at all with a justice league movie, but it would be fun to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmadai View Post
    But what would another Batman movie with the new actor bring us?

    Yet ANOTHER fucking franchise reboot? No thank you.

    Um what else would you do? They left the last batman movie pretty much implying a new person would take on the batman persona(at least it seemed like that to me). Hopefully something is done, because the batman from the 3 current batman movies wouldn't stand a single chance to even hurt superman or any other type of super being.

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    Maybe it's a battle of wits? The World's Greatest Detective and the Man of Steel are both trying to find some masked bank robbers?

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    Could be, the problem is they haven't shown batman to be "The world's greatest detective", at least in the 3 recent movies. Granted that title isn't really tied to "batman" but to whoever is actually using the disguise, so they could get away with "new person wearing batman" = super detective.

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    yeah, Nolan not making Batman a detective was one of the biggest character complaints people had. Especially vs Ras.

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    I was thinking about it, and I doubt we'll get batman vs. superman in the first movie... it will probably be a trilogy.
    Movie 1: Batman & Superman: Same universe, loosely/unknowingly help each other defeat a foe. Movie 2: Batman & Superman 2: Disagreements begin, but they put their discrepancies aside to team up against a foe. Movie 3: Batman Vs. Superman: It's fucking on. 2 hours of outwitting and small battles leading up to a epic fight.

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    Movie 1: All that shit mashed together half-assedly. Movie 2: Ultra-brodown with way too many villains given not nearly enough time. Movie 3: REBOOT! Taylor Lautner Batman and Ryan Reynolds Superman vs. giant robot spider!!!
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    According to Kevin Smith, in his latest hollywood babble on, they only used the frank miller bit as a lead in to batman VS superman. Apparently this way they want to introduce a new JLA character through every sequel ish part. Superman will introduce a new batman, detaching him from the nolanverse completely, batman will introduce another member. Apparently they do the marvel thing with a DC twist. Wonder woman will most liely get a stand alone movie, while the flash might need some hlp from batman or superman, as Smith said, how interesting is a lone guy who just runs fast?

    So there will be a new batman, it will have almost nothing to do with dark knight returns. I don't know who said it, but i think he is right. Batman will come to metropolis to search for rhe threat th levelled half a city and killed millions. They fight a few times, and in the nd it was Lex Luthor who is the real badguy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceleris View Post

    So there will be a new batman, it will have almost nothing to do with dark knight returns. I don't know who said it, but i think he is right. Batman will come to metropolis to search for rhe threat th levelled half a city and killed millions. They fight a few times, and in the nd it was Lex Luthor who is the real badguy.
    I hope not. Since the people who leveled half the city and killed all those people are gone or dead(zod and crew). Lex luthor is just a boring enemy for superman because they have to bring in kryptonite to even make it fair. Unless its Lex working with some super being or builds/creates some kind of superbeing.

    I will leave the batman vs superman alone for now, since they would have to do some pretty crazy things to match batman against superman , if they don't go the cheese route and use kyrptonite(or kyrpton atmosphere).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinge View Post
    Um what else would you do? They left the last batman movie pretty much implying a new person would take on the batman persona(at least it seemed like that to me). Hopefully something is done, because the batman from the 3 current batman movies wouldn't stand a single chance to even hurt superman or any other type of super being.
    If they made a new Batman movie that didn't have an origin story, honestly I'd be ok with it. Just throw us right into the fray - we all know who Batman is, where he came from, why he is Batman, etc. Hell, if they HAVE to give the stupid fucking audience some backstory, go the Keaton route - show his parents being shot/etc. in all of 5 minutes and then right to the story.

    I just don't want to sit through another Batman movie where a good portion of it is their setting up to how this new guy cast as Batman became Batman, followed by more ad nauseum of noob Batman learning the ropes and getting used to the role. Especially not this soon.

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    Superman gets sent to stop Batman from being all vigilanty, Batman invents kryptonite so he can tell Superman to fuck off, but they fall into brolove and Luthor steals the kryptonite. Batman saves Superman from Luthor.

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    superman trolls them all then while screaming just necksnaps batman and every jl member leaving wonder woman to be his amazonian sidechick.

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    I wouldn't have any problem with JGL taking up the cowl and continuing from TDKR storyline. Leave it there, it already happened, no need to reboot. I don't think he could do any worse than Kilmer or Clooney... if anything he'd be a better Michael Keaton.

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    I don't think that works when you specifically went out of the way to call him Robin in the movie.

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    Robin's taken up the cowl before.

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    JGL could work to take up the cowl, if they want to do that, heck they could even explain that "he's" the worlds greatest detective since he figured out batman, it's a stretch, but whatever, and he'll have the batcave resources. recently 2 years ago dick grayson as nitewing, took up the cowl since batman was in some weird limbo after dying from being shot by darkseid.

    but we don't see that happening, ppl expect batman to have only one name, bruce wayne. I guess the only story that makes sense, is wayne tech and luthor tech merge together after rebuilding metropolis or something, then the uncontrollable alien does his city destroying again(superman).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanx View Post
    but we don't see that happening, ppl expect batman to have only one name, bruce wayne. I guess the only story that makes sense, is wayne tech and luthor tech merge together after rebuilding metropolis or something, then the uncontrollable alien does his city destroying again(superman).
    Given that Wayne enterprises was already easter egged in the movie I'd expect the next incarnation of batman to be wayne. No need for another origin story that way, or if there was one maybe it'd be a dream sequence about his parents getting shot or something. More likely scenario is that they address it quickly and with one sentence or something like Marvel did when they made the switch from Howard to Cheadle in IM. Have Alfred say something like 'is there something different about you today Mr. Wayne?" and whoever the new bats is says "yeah I lost weight" or some shit.

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    I have never been a Batman fan at all, but have enjoyed many of the various movies about him even still. As an actual comic book character though, Batman has never once interested me. Part of that is that I was way into Marvel as a kid, and DC sucked (which meant I didn't like Superman much either), but part of it was that he just wasn't anything "special". Iron Man never thrilled me in the comics either. I always wanted true "super" beings, not guys that were super smart or super rich or both. They just never seemed the same to me.

    That being said, I am completely fine with them being put into a well-made movie and doing their thing. I enjoyed most of the Batman movies and all of the Iron Man movies, because they were fairly interesting in their own right. Even Avengers made good use of Iron Man.

    I'm also somewhat forgiving of someone like Iron Man because his entire schtick is that he created this suit that allows him to compete with the other powerhouse beings in his world. He's worked on it for years and years, perfecting it, improving it. In theory, Batman could probably invent a suit just like Iron Man's which allows him to withstand punches from people like Superman, but they'd have him whip it up in a weekend. And if he can do something like that at the drop of a hat, why doesn't he just fucking wear that suit all the time then? It sure would be nice not to have to worry about mundane criminals anymore if you can throw together a suit like that before breakfast. Even if it took him a year to build, why wouldn't he? If I had the mythical powers of Batman, the first time someone like Bane (or better) punched me in the face and I realized how much it fucking hurt, I'd be all over a super suit. Other "self-made" superheroes you can give them the out that they aren't smart enough or rich enough to be capable of creating such a suit, but Batman sure the hell can...so why doesn't he? Why does he only bring that shit out when Superman needs to be taken down a peg?

    Obviously it all comes down to writers/plot devices, and I'm not bringing up any new points. But that's what has always bothered me about Batman. Is he only good enough to beat a given opponent at that set point in time? If he's so prepared, why isn't he just a fucking god at all times? Why does someone like Bane even get the chance to break his back? By the time Bane showed up (in the comics), Batman had been beaten silly by hundreds of super-strong villains, so someone that goddamn prepared should have learned something from all those beatings and just laughed at Bane from within his form-fitting, flexible, and still stylish adamantium-vibranium-unobtanium alloy suit. But he never fucking does!

    And that's why it kills me that all these fans and writers expect us to believe that Batman is capable of taking down anyone, at any time. Well sure maybe he could, but if Superman really wanted to he could just incinerate Batman from 10 miles up too. It has always bothered me that Batman seemed to play down to whatever opponent he was facing instead of being this true fucking badass we're being told he really is. If you're going to be that adaptable and smart and prepared...how about preparing some shit *before* you get your ass beat a couple of times?

    I am skeptical of this movie simply because there will be some contrived scenario where Batman can actually compete with Superman, whether it be Kryptonite (please no), or Superman just not wanting to hurt him, whatever. I have very little faith that the story that will bring them together and allow them to compete as equals will be believable. And as someone said above, I have very little faith that whomever they get to play Batman will carry enough weight to make us forget Bale.

    I suppose this means Lyrical and I can't be friends again

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    Nolan's Robin would be a terrible Batman because he has none of the anger that makes Batman Batman. Oh, you're an orphan, how cute. Did you see your parents murdered in front of you?

    Sure, he could still have Fox and Wayne Enterprises behind him, and they could do a training montage starring the back of some guy's head as Bruce Wayne. But a vigilante whose only comfort is beating criminals faces in? I don't see it.

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    Nolan's Robin doesn't have that much backstory, but Robin and Bruce acknowledged each other's plight when Robin exposed Bruce at Wayne Manor, there was plenty of anger in that scene. The transition of getting to know how Robin becomes Batman (through Wayne's tutelage) could be a good tie in to Wayne's detective skills, Robin's progression, and the discovery of how to contain or control the "Superman." I can dream right?

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    I suppose this means Lyrical and I can't be friends again
    We never were friends, you asshole!

    Batman is gonna push in Superman's stool with a 12" kryptonite dildo.

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    I suppose they could just drop Batman in with a new actor without yet another telling of the backstory and roughtly fit it within the Nolan continuity because that's what audience know, and just be like Man of Steel with its "whatever, you already know the basic idea, here's some explosions and shit" storytelling. Which I don't criticize - for fucks sake we just had ten seasons of Smallville covering that shit. Man of Steel gave us the HOLY AWESOME version of Kypton and then skipped ahead to everything else.

    I still think in order to have Batman alongside Superman in a plausible way, even this more grounded Superman, would be to go the power-armor route. Audiences would not give a flying shit. Modern day Batman should be using cybernetics. Man of Steel's Faeora vs Nolan's Batman - if that right there doesn't make you laugh your balls off...

    Yeah, the more I think about it, there's just no fucking way they'll bring in JLA because Nolan's Batman just does not even come close to working alongside even the reigned-in powers of Superman in Man of Steel. In fact, the whole movie just sounds absurd.
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    Robin stand alone movie?


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    Real non-fanmade movies will never be like that again, Arbitrary. Don't get your hopes up.

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    I've always thought of that trailer as the conclusion to the Adam West series. Goddamn that guy playing Superman looks fucking perfect.

    And hey, there are always retarded star vehicles, art pieces, vanity films, and independent projects getting made. I can't see a major studio ever going and green lighting a gigantic blowjob to the 70's tv show Robin but who knows what the future might bring!

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    batman doesn't wear a giant ironbatsuit because it is contrary to who he is. stark believes that he needs to wear a suit to compete with the other supers in his world. batman believes that justice doesn't need to be enforced by a super. in fact, he would rather it wasn't. that's why he's ALWAYS so reluctant to help out the justice league. it's not because he's too busy doing his own thing... it's that he doesn't want to join a club full of metas that go around doling out their own version of justice.

    also, and maybe this is my own personal view of batman... he's a reaction. he is a person that reacted to a tragic event. how can batman fight darkseid and come out unscathed but then get his back broken by someone like bane? he reacts to individuals. when bane broke his back, he was a new character. he came in pretty much out of nowhere and took batman very much by surprise and without giving batman the chance to react, broke his back. but batman can fight darkseid because by that time, everyone knew who darkseid was. batman had plenty of time to analyze him.

    so again, how can someone like darkseid miss his omega sanction on batman but bane can still take him out? from my perspective, it's simply because he fights everyone differently because he's reacting to that individual. he's not going to go, okay, i'm going to reinforce my suit so while i'm wearing it i can't break any bones for when i fight anyone with a brickhouse powerset. he's going to say, when i fight solomon grundy i'll do this. when i fight gorilla grodd i'll do this. when i fight bane i'll do this.

    on top of that, in batman beyond it clearly states thay bruce wayne retired because he HAD to rely on a gun to stop his assailants. batman doesn't rely on anything except for himself. he's never going to say, "the only way for me to fight so and so is to wear a big giant ironman suit..."

    as nifty as it was to see batman don an armored batsuit in world's finest... it was wholly uncharacteristic of him. SPECIFICALLY because doing something like that alienates the Man in Batman. having any kind of super power (super-preparedness notwithstanding) means that the normal person can't achieve what he achieves and THAT is what batman stands for. the normal person standing up to injustice. sure, he's rich and all that... but physically the only thing standing in the way of him and anyone else on the planet is the determination to do it. /longwinded

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    Batman doesn't wear a suit, because he is street level. He is supposed to be in the streets, fighting with his detective skills.

    Batman falls apart when he starts using teleporters, drones, and power suits to stop muggers, and mob bosses. Sci-fi batman doesnt work.

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    except no one on earth could posses batmans retarded super-preparedness. So no, no one else could be batman and beat superman in a fight, or win against darkseid, or do any of the stupid batman shit batman does. Oh a problem, np i'll design technology to overcome it. A god show's up and wants to beat my ass, no worries I'll just make sure to have my handy dandy god-be-gone with me because I know I'm going to fight him today.

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    newsflash. all these earth based superheroes can not compare to someone magical from another world like superman or Thor. even the Hulk who is probably closest cant match either one, no matter how mad he gets.

    so how do you beat superman? well he likes humans and earth, so thats his weakness if you destroy earth or our sun you destroy superman. but yeah not probably a good idea if earth is your home planet. so whats best? say "im sorry superman" and kneel like the bitch that you are.

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    hulk has been shown to dent captain america's shield. thor has not been able to demonstrate this. though, to be honest i prefer thor. i think they've gone on record to say that all things being equal, hulk is potentially the strongest (strength wise) marvel character. though, i can't seem to find a link so take it with a grain of salt.

    THAT BEING SAID... super-preparedness is hands down the best super power ever created. best part of super-preparedness is that it comes with time manipulation as there is no way that batman could possibly have time to run a multi-billion dollar company and run around at night and fight crime, not even including all the time it would take to train, create computer programs, analyze crime scenes, etc.

    super-preparedness is what it is... in certain media and in certain stories it becomes it's own character and batman simply follows it... in other stories? it's ignored completely. and in other stories still, it is used and it is used creatively and enjoyably. Justice League: Doom, for example. it's all about batman's super-preparedness being used against him. which was great. loved it. though, at some point you have to ask, "if batman prepared for all these bizarro situations that would never in a million years happen, why didn't he plan for some d-list villian like fricking Mirror Man to try to break into the batcave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j00t View Post
    how can batman fight darkseid and come out unscathed but then get his back broken by someone like bane?
    Spoiler: 

    Answer:
    Because it's fiction.

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    tuco get your real world answers out of here. stories in comic books are not told to make money. they are told to make sure that people know our history. didn't you see unbreakable?

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    [QUOTE=Maester Chuk;297521]newsflash. all these earth based superheroes can not compare to someone magical from another world like superman or Thor. even the Hulk who is probably closest cant match either one, no matter how mad he gets.

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    Um Hulk kills Thor. Not even a close one. Hulk beats Thor and Loki together.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Vs

    Also, Batman is a bitch. Supes for the easy win.

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    Hulk is a paradox. Like Capt America's shield. Hulk's strength is potentially infinite. This means the idea of him beating nearly anyone is perfectly reasonable and the writers can easily write it without incredulity from the reader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Hulk is a paradox. Like Capt America's shield. Hulk's strength is potentially infinite. This means the idea of him beating nearly anyone is perfectly reasonable and the writers can easily write it without incredulity from the reader.
    Every single comic character ever made is a paradox in this way.





    Squirrel Girl > Batman.




    edit: To be clear, i totally ignored the "without incredulity" part because I wanted to post Squirrel Girl beating Thanos and Dr. Doom. She's also taken down Deadpool, Wolverine, Ego the Living Planet, the Mandarin, etc etc...
    Last edited by Grimmlokk; 07-29-2013 at 02:38 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erronius View Post
    maybe there is some sort of mutant mandingo sweet-corn hybrid

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    [QUOTE=Furious;297702]
    Quote Originally Posted by Maester Chuk View Post
    newsflash. all these earth based superheroes can not compare to someone magical from another world like superman or Thor. even the Hulk who is probably closest cant match either one, no matter how mad he gets.

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    Um Hulk kills Thor. Not even a close one. Hulk beats Thor and Loki together.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Vs

    Also, Batman is a bitch. Supes for the easy win.
    I saw that Hulk v thor animated movie and while thor and asgard took a beating, he rallied and won overall.

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