US cover looks quite a bit better. Still worried about how much Inevera we're going to get.
For all things Demon Cycle related and whatever else he does in the future.
UK cover for The Daylight War was revealed.
US cover looks quite a bit better. Still worried about how much Inevera we're going to get.
Damn you I was going to start this thread this morning.
Anyways, any of you fantasy junkies out there that haven't read this yet really need to. Great series, I couldn't put the first book down. I was kind of iffy about how the second book started but it turned in to a page turner pretty quickly as well. Can't wait until the next book.
Rereading "The Desert Spear" right now...when I first read it, I was disappointed about the Jardir part because like everyone I wasn't expecting it, but this time I think I prefer it to the Leesha's Twilight-esqe storyline about how everyone wants to fuck her, and I'm kind of looking forward to see how full of shit all the prophecies and advice Inevera gave Jardir was with her POV backstory section.
I think the third book should have a full-color centerfold of Inevera to make her more tolerable though.
I really liked the first book despite the cliche of downtrodden boy/girl -> adversity -> talent/power -> adversity -> to hero arc of most fantasy. The total helplessness felt by the characters each evening and the effects this had on society as a whole was interesting and effectively helped to make the story somewhat original and refreshing. That said, the second book near totally undermined this and turned the story into a much more conventional fantasy tale dealing with armies and the other usual events both magical and mundane.
I know that the author had to do something so that the world could be changed but I much preferred the smaller scope and the oppressive atmosphere of the beginning... this leader of the light VS leader of dark is just a bit tired but hopefully he will make it a bit more interesting than that and at any rate it should at least be a bit entertaining.
Last edited by Gask; 01-25-2013 at 01:37 AM.
He's doing an AMA, started about 45 minutes ago
edit: Correction, taking questions as of an hour ago, will start answering them live tonight.
Last edited by Grimmlokk; 02-06-2013 at 05:59 PM.
Thanks for the heads up. I enjoyed the hell out of the first two books in this.
Last edited by Grimmlokk; 02-07-2013 at 10:31 AM.
He's high on my to-read list....
Has anyone seen a good summary of both books? I read them both when they first came out but I have the worst memory when it comes to books these days, so I am really struggling to remember a lot of the specifics, but I don't want to reread the full books just to refresh myself.
No summary by chapter that I've found, but the wikipedia for each book gives you the general gist of the plot and characters and the different demons.
Also, did not know that Paul Anderson had optioned the film rights to the series...that's interesting...
I hope that helps and I apologize again for the bare bones nature of the summary, if you want more then I suggest re reading .
Last edited by Gask; 02-10-2013 at 01:00 PM.
My thoughts on Daylight War...I guess I'll spoiler them:
I'm about halfway through this. It's decent, but IMO 3 books into the story wasn't the time for a whole fuckload of extra Jardir backstory.
Yep, didn't like this as much as book one but still readable so far. At least by the second half of the book I didn't really want to put it down until the sudden setting change.
Book 1>2>3 for me.
I wish he either kept the baddies more of a mystery or they actually had more depth to them.
The corelings aren't the bad guys at this point. At least not the main ones. They don't need deep motivations or character, being essentially the zombie horde back drop for the main characters to carry out their personal struggles.
Book 1>3>2 at this point for me.
Last edited by Commander Vimeseh; 02-20-2013 at 10:55 PM.
Well I decided to try it anyway... anything and everything having to do with Renna so far is making the read very trying for me; she's almost at WoT levels so far. Love You Arlen / no one tells me what to do / I'm jealous! / her knife gripping is the new braid tug etc. Also, on top of all that for some reason her influence reverts Arlen's dialogue to hick mode. LoL anyways, here to the slim hope that she dies.
Last edited by Gask; 02-21-2013 at 05:05 PM.
Yup, annoying character. However the last was explained in the second book. As a messenger he learned many dialects and modes of speech and used whichever was appropriate to the location he was in. The second book said something about him returning to Tibbet's Brook and actually speaking like himself. Then at the end of 2 and the beginning of 3 he's accepted who he is, and starts going by Arlen Bales again. Who's dialect just happens to be hillbilly.
Oh well, its just a bit of double whammy alongside Renna's issues .
Last edited by Gask; 02-21-2013 at 11:44 PM.
I just got past the wedding bit. Please tell me it only gets better from here. :\
The story would have been much better without the interpersonal relationship garbage and the overwhelming supper powers. The relationship between Arlen/Renna is nails on chalkboard irritating and Leesha bounces between men like a ping pong ball. None of it is interesting in anyway whatsoever and only serves to add copious amounts of filler to the book. The powers make every encounter a forgone conclusion with obligatory token moments of danger sprinkled in here and there for flavor, it kills any tension that might be had and leads to some ridiculously anti climatic victories.
The only characters that I like in this tale are the bard, Amman and Jadir. Rogers interaction with his wives is entertaining and his power is a bit different and unreliable, Amman is probably the most sensible and realistic person in the book (it makes him interesting, it's a pity he has only a few chapters but the ones he does have are fantastic) and Jadir while a superman he spends most of his pov administrating his government and guiding his people. Everyone else feels like a stereotype of the story thus far; nearly everyone is willing to turn to violence at the drop of a dime at any moment and for any perceived insult or reason. Hardly anyone is rational, reasonable or thoughtful and it makes for a bland story, the only way that I could finish it was to liberally skim past much of the bloat and nonsense.
A possible way to have improved the tale would have been to expand upon the coreling consorts/princes pov and develop them more. It would have been interesting to get a view of their realm and its connection to Earth from their perspective beyond the usual predator prey/slavering demon thing. Plus it would have provided some much needed breaks from the main characters and their foibles. Also devoting almost half the book to events that already took place in the previous novels was a mistake; Jadir's first wife isn't interesting or unique enough from the picture already painted of the damma'ting to warrant the page count given her and could have been done in a much briefer fashion. That said, her pov was much better than either Leesha or Renna's because at least she had goals and concerns beyond a tedious love interest.
Last edited by Gask; 02-23-2013 at 07:50 PM.
To be quite honest, this book was shit. Arlen has just become annoying as hell, with Renna multiplying that by 100x. The fight/battle scenes are weak, the structure of the story doesn't make any sense and was terribly done. His few redeeming characters don't get enough POV chapters, and the corelings are just becoming boring.
I don't see the big difference between this book and the first two. Outside of the ward/coreling living experience Brett didn't bring anything amazing or new in the first or second book. His characters have pretty much kept to what they were in the first two novels as well. Its decent, nothing great. Which is what I expected after reading the Painted Man/Desert Spear. Some of you folks are acting like some dramatic fall off in quality happened when all I see is more middle of the road work. Something to tide you over until some better stuff comes along.
I saw potential in the first two books. The first started off pretty lame but got better towards the end. The second book was two steps forward and one step back in his progress as a writer. I liked learning about Jadir and the Krasian culture, but the other characters pov's were hit and miss. The third book just sucked.
I'm not overly bothered though Vimesh as I knew going into this that it would probably be bad but as Superhiro said it did have some potential once and it is always sad when that comes to nothing.
I think his writing style and clumsy use of Characters told me early on that his upside wasn't going to be that great. For instance if you look at Sanderson's early books (Elantris) I could tell that while he has a penchant for Scooby-Doo endings his character work and world building were already at a high level. Pacing was a bit off, but then that is probably the hardest area for a new writer to be proficient in. Then I look at Painted man, and while the world and concept was neat and somewhat new, the characters were fairly stilted/unlikeable even then and the pacing was really bad. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the series for what it is, I'm just surprised that people actually saw high potential given the previous two books and their issues.
Yeah, it was basically the menacing atmosphere of the first book that made it interesting and very readable despite it being another stock fantasy Hero's Journey with a farmboy. Plus, something like 15? 20? years went by in that book, that's some serious pace we haven't seen since out of Brett.
Book one gives you ~15 years of time if I'm correct in thinking that Arlen is a good five years younger the Jardir.
The whole of books two and three covers three months of actual plot advancement. Biggest actual (and only) advancements in books two and three would....
Not counting the flashbacks of course.
I think in the second half of the book for brief periods their actually was a feeling of danger from other corelings (the multiple princes working together, etc.) for a very brief period. I wish there was stronger foreshadowing to the strength of these princes working together or being stronger in some way to put Arlen and Jardir in some kind of real risk (not to mention making them more remarkable then they are right now--Arlen appears to be smarter,though lacking as much knowledge, then these millenia old Mind demons wtf?!?!). He could have attempted to create more suspense from earlier on. Give us a real sense of risk....
Instead Arlen had a solution for these princes early on and I think most people were not worried at all for him wasting suspense potential. Jardir's battle with them was even less interesting due to his zomg hax weaponry.
Last edited by Gask; 02-25-2013 at 05:54 AM.
Wow I just blew through all 3 of these books. I can't recommend them enough. If you like Mistborn or Abercrombie, you will like these. I put it right between the 2. The cool things from the new 'magic system' of Mistborn, to the characters/violence of Abercrombie.
The basic plot without any spoilers is that every night from sundown to sunrise demons rise from the center of the earth to hunt humans. Humans have learned that there are these magical 'defensive' wards that they can paint roughly every 6 feet which will make an invisible barrier to repel demons. So they all try to live their lives doing so. One guy gets fed up with it and tries to find ways to fight the demons.
The wards and the way Peter Brett uses them is pretty cool, and similar to the way Sanderson does the Mistborn magic. Not quite as developed, but still really cool.
Definitely a great read, and worth checking out.
There is a Peter V Brett thread a couple down already, but since you brought it up and I have avoided that one for spoilers, I am having the hardest fucking time finishing book 3. I'm 70% in and it seems like finally the exciting shit is going to start, but holy fuck did I not care about most of the characters, and actively hate much of the hillbilly speak, the romances, and the particular backstory for this one. I loved the first book, got bogged down halfway through the second one because I was so disappointed it wasn't a direct continuation, but then Jardir became interesting enough on his own and I was ok with it. But this third book, going through some of the shit I've already experienced twice before, with a character I hate...gah. I just want to be done, but it is hard for me to force myself to do it.
I feel the same as you by the way; I thoroughly enjoyed the first, the second had clear problems and the third was just a huge let down and a waste of time to read. For specifics read the other thread.
Last edited by Gask; 03-07-2013 at 11:44 PM.
Oh sweet Jesus. I finally slogged through the rest of the third book. I should have read some of the spoilers here telling that there was a cliffhanger at the end. If I had known there was going to be a fourth book (I honestly thought it was supposed to be a trilogy) I would have stopped at 70% a week ago and just read a wikipedia summary.
Fuck that ending, fuck almost every single character (good lord, I can't even imagine who the next book will be centered around that I won't give a fuck about...maybe if we're lucky it will be Leesha or Renna...), and fuck the fact that they could basically crush the demons right now if they wanted to, what with figuring out electrum. Inevera's bone wand could essentially be used over and over again since it just sucks up magic from the surroundings. Why can't they just arm a couple hundred warriors with electrum covered bones and fireball everything? Might take a bit to get that much electrum, but seriously it is only a matter of time to figure out the formula.
Ah who gives a fuck, I hate almost every single character anyway so I don't really care if they annihilate the demons or not. And if I have to read one more "Honest word, ent gonna lie, love you Arlen Bales" or any combination thereof, I might lose it.
I refuse to even pirate the next book(s), so when the time comes I'll just ask someone to summarize what happened so I know how it ends. The funny thing is, it isn't the worst book I've ever read, not by a long shot. Taken in parts it is actually pretty decent, but given that I've already read half of what happens, and that I hate so many characters, the sum total of its halfway decent parts turns into something I despise. Perhaps it is also the fact that I enjoyed the first one a lot, and the second one quite a bit once I forced myself through the initial displeasure, but now the third one just killed any desire I had to read anything in this world ever again, and perhaps anything by Brett too.
I still enjoy his writing, but the book was a huge cocktease. Covered one actual month...all build up to the new moon and we got one fucking night of actual content for that. Basically just summaries of the other nights and the desert guys dealing with it.
Whatever, still look forward to the story wrapping up. But if the next book is this much backstory and build up that last bit of desire will go away fast.
I hated the fact Arlen reverted to talking like a hill-billy.
Was talking to a friend that just finished it as well, and something that occurred to me was that most of the reason I loved the first book was because of the characters. Arlen was awesome to follow, but even the whole section about him learning wards from the old man, living with that family, and meeting that girl that he fell in love with and almost stayed with, only to go become a Messenger and lose her forever. I liked all of those characters, in particular the love interest chick, and except for Jardir and Abban in the second book, I can't really think of anyone introduced after the first book that I really gave one shit about. And on top of that, almost all of the ongoing characters turned into people I despised and couldn't stand reading about.
This book was pretty much The Walking Dead for me. If the demons had killed every single person in the book, I would have cheered.
Read all three books in a day.
Feel like I wasted a day.
The premise is pretty interesting, but I feel like there should be some rhyme or reason to the Wards and people could just figure that shit out, given a large enough sample size of known working wards and what they did. You can kind of see there are gaps he just didn't write about, like the humans re-finding combat wards was obviously a surprise to the mind demons, they thought they'd gotten rid of everyone who knew about them. That isn't humans just "losing" the wards, that is the intentional hunting down and extermination of anyone who knew what they were. Makes the lost civilization make way more sense, and that is like one line of one thought that one of the mind demons had. The idea that humans are just cattle doesn't really jive with the lower numbers every year, that isn't how you keep a breeding stock healthy.
Pretty sure this is going to end up being a 5 book series. I like it well enough for this universe, but some of the povs were boring.
Just finished the third book.
Although the weakest in the series so far, I did get some enjoyment from reading.
My number one piss off is him rehashing shit he's already written about though.
Let's move the story along shall we?
This series reminds me a great deal of the Runelords by Farland...Strong start in the first book and the subsequent books piss away all the items I liked about the first.
I actually enjoyed getting Inevera's perspective, primarily the scenes where we had already seen Jardir's version of the event, then got to see it from her eyes. Renna however was terrible. And what he did to Arlen with Renna was even worse. She is right up there with the WoT women, so painful to read.
I was disappointed by the amount of filler in book 3. I too thought it was supposed to be a trilogy so was wondering what the hell was going on with so much useless crap throughout the entire book. The magic is also getting too out of control. I really liked the low magic world he had built in the first book with more in the second. By the third, everyone able to use magic and the incredibly emphasis on it was getting really silly. All the main characters became super heroes by the end of book 3.
As a stand alone book, I would not recommend book 3 but at this point I want to know how the story ends because I really liked book 1 a lot and after a bit of a slog at the beginning of book 2, I enjoyed that one as well.
Oh and the auras crap, was AWFUL. We do not care what some random character we will never hear about again, feels about her sister's husband's brother, while we are in a war council.
Unless someone tells me it comes with free blowjobs, there is not a chance I'm ever picking up another book in this series. Which really saddens me, because the first book was fantastic, and the second was pretty good. The third just absolutely killed any interest I had though. I would rather read Twilight again than read The Daylight War again, no joke.
According to Goodreads:
"The first three novels in New York Times bestselling author Peter V. Brett’s groundbreaking Demon Cycle series—The Warded Man, The Desert Spear, and The Daylight War—set a new standard for heroic fantasy."
I would be interested in perusing the demographic info of the people who hold this opinion.
I read the new novel, thought it was better than the 3rd but he's got a lot to wrap up in just one more book.
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Got a personalized message from him on Goodreads trying to pitch the new book. Obvious that it was an automated mass sending based on people who had linked any of his books as read..considering I had listed Skull Throne read 2 days before street dated. OOPS.
Neat idea for an author though, and it's much, much simpler than trying to plan tons of book signings all over the country.
Read the new one. A third of the book is Krasians backstabbing each other to insane degrees. Two-third of the book is about Leesha and Rojer still causing self inflicted wounds. Arlen and Jardir are in maybe four chapters. So if that sounds like fun to you then check it out.
Briar was in the short story Messenger's Legacy, gave his backstory. Interesting little read if you want to delve in to him a bit more.
I enjoyed the book. I think I'm becoming a real softy for most books anymore. I like Brett's style of writing and found myself very rarely caring that the larger story wasn't really advancing because I was enjoying reading the characters. I want to dislike the meandering and lack of focus, but I can't seem to.
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