what is an existential crisis?
how often do you have one? i had them pretty often in school and in my late 20s. what triggered yours?
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never had them since my med.
Can't say it's happened yet. Sounds like the reason people turn to religion. I'm an atheist.An existential crisis is a moment at which an individual questions the very foundations of his or her life: whether his or her life has any meaning, purpose or value
I had one in my mid-twenties when I was working a part-time job and living in my parents basement. I went back to school, have a good job now, and about to graduate. I was in a shitty place and realized that my life truly did not have any meaning. I feel better now.
People that take supertouch threads seriously give me existential crises. Or headaches. Something like that.
I'm always wary of posting in Supertouch (tm) threads, but this is an interesting topic of discussion.
While I don't have any hard numbers to back it up and I can't be bothered to research it, I think a lot of 20-somethings nowadays are finding themselves wondering "what the fuck is the point of all this?". It's not like it was in our parents' days, where you could graduate from college without being in debt, get a decent paying job right off the bat, buy a house and have a family by the time you were 25. Sure, some people still manage this, but the number of them gets smaller and smaller. It's easy to look at where your parents were at 25 (house, career, kids) and compare that with where the current generation is at 25 (renting with debt, mediocre job or unemployed, no family) and start to feel depressed about life in general.
I had a similar story to Noodleface's until I figured out the career that I really enjoyed and wanted to pursue. Up to that point I felt like I was just kind of floating aimlessly through life without any real goal, success, amibition, or point.
existential depression has very little to do with one's career or achievements.
I have one on an almost daily basis.
To some people, existential depression CAN indeed have to do with career or achievements, it's not all some metaphysical garbage-ass tranny-dick-stroking-but-not-sucking struggle. If indeed that is all it is, then I've never had a crisis.
your being a loser is just that. an existential crisis transcends wealth and prestige and achievements. it's about pondering the absurdity of life. keep your garbage-ass 4chan-inspired comments to yourself.
So Suoertouch, did you finally graduate from just stroking it to having it inside you one way or another? Is that why you are questioning your life?
I can confirm I did not exist yesterday. I was too busy playing EVE to be counted among the living.
why not go see a doctor.
Yea, I think the modern pharma industry revolves around dick hardness and existential crises.
I'm 27, and have definitely dealt with the early/mid twenties blues. I never sought psychological help, but it was a very very difficult time in my life.
The sooner you accept and understand the social obligations that come with true adulthood, the sooner you'll feel better.
I think the years from 13-19 were one prolonged existential crisis.
After a while you stop caring.
Supertouch should watch Fight Club.
So he/she/it can spawn an alter ego to listen and deal with all this crap for us.
Don't get me wrong in the grand scheme of things I have a cushy job that pays really well. However, it's a super stressful job, and a good chunk of the time and I'm often left wondering if it's worth it.
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Take up a hobby like serial killing to wind down.
Strangely, my excuse for not being available instead of having to return video tapes is having to shine my shoes.
I also had a mmo existential crisis a few years ago. I was raiding and getting gear one day and I went "why am I doing this? What is the purpose?" And then I stopped playing for a couple months. It was a crisis.
Had one three years ago, ended up losing 200+ lbs.. Had one a few months ago, am working towards going back to school.
Apparently they're not crises in my case. So fuck all y'all with your first-world problems and use the opportunity to change your life around and better yourself.
Fuck you Cad, I can't stop laughing!
I don't have 200 pounds period, much less that much to lose. What the fuck am I supposed to do?
Question your gender identity.
Had a roommate once who had one, I guess. We're on the couch watching TV, and he just turns to me and says "What are we doing, man?"
"Umm, you wanna go to a bar?"
"No," he replies, "WHAT ARE WE DOING?!?" then took off his shoes and threw them across the room, then started to question the meaning of his life.
When I was much younger and came to believe Christianity and then all religion and spiritual belief were fairy tales, I definitely went through an existential crisis. It still happens to small degrees now and then but now I accept there is no inherent meaning to anything, it's only whatever value I place on it. There's some comfort in the absurdity of life.
I think a number of people who lose a strongly held belief that once informed the majority of their world view are apt to experience an existential crisis.
Much happier now. Working through an Engineering degree at the moment and working part time at a laboratory were I do entry level work and Im loving it.
i question our existence everyday am i going through crisis constantly? i dont believe in god, because i dont believe that someone so powerful could also be so helpless i went to religion class made my conformation for my grandmother but i never paid attention to religion, but now that im older i question what i know everyday cause it does not make sense, sins god, the devil good evil what the fuck!?!
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That's awful and you should feel bad.
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Your justification in life is merely self serving. Imagine if society was 100% people like you, fuck living in that place.
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You need to make less sense to be considered to be in a state of crisis.
you do shit cuz doing nothing is boring
people over think shit sometimes
an existential crisis can be caused by numerous things. while the actual crisis itself revolves around finding meaning in a (perceived) meaningless life, as well as whether or not someone even SHOULD find meaning where there seemingly isn't any. you can have an existential crisis because you are unappreciated at work. you can have an existential crisis because you're a 50 year old "loser" living in his parents basement. you can have an existential crisis because you are bill gates and with all your money and trophy wives, you still are only making superficial changes in the world.
an existential crisis transcends social class, job type and achievement in the sense that anyone from any one of those places in life can have one. it does NOT transcend those things in the sense that they can't CAUSE the crisis.
i've had a few... or more accurately... i had one really long one. started when i was 18 and lasted till about 25 or so. a very big part of it was transitioning from being a christian because my family was and that's what i grew up with, to being a christian because that's what i found to be the truth. i'll spare you the story, but i grew up with a lot of people from church that i had a lot of respect for and put on pedestals. the one day i woke up and looked at the newspaper to see that they were all in it for embezzlement. i thought, these are all the people who i grew up learning my morals from... wtf.
after some time and self-exploration i just... it occured to me that THIS is why we need "religion." we're all screwed up and broken and being a "christian" or "buddhist' or whatever else faith you may or may not have doesn't change the fact that we are screwed up and broken.
the reason i bring it up, is because someone mentioned something about people having these crises finding religion. people hate on religious nutcases a lot. and a good chunk of them deserve it, but people find religion because they see things that don't make sense to them and religion helps them make sense of it. and to be clear, i use the term "religion" incredibly loosely. someone can be religiously fanatical about islam just as easily as someone can be religiously fanatical about science.
But hey, whatever works for you. And people aren't "religious" about science. They believe in the results of science because those results can be proven. While religion has been proven time and time again to be made up fucking bullshit.
Traveled to Asia and lived there a while, saw 'special economic zones' in practice and just that brief look into the horrifying lives of slaves sent me into the blackest of depressions. All those years of taking shit for granted only to find it was all off the backs of people deliberately kept out of sight kept churning in my head.
Returning to U.S. life made it all the worse. Each day the senseless misery of those people juxtaposed with the senseless consumption that embodies life here ate away at me, I felt something had to be done. Rage swept me as I knew I was too small a player to do anything to change this terrible machine. What could one man do?' I often asked myself. But still I knew SOMETHING had to be done. I had to act.
When I finally got my boob job done my god it was glorious, I was finally on the outside who I always was on the inside. Since then I've felt super.
Yeah, man. Being all fanatical about things that are proven be or likely to be true.
you're missing the point. fanatacism isn't about believing in something that doesn't exist. it's about attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you just on principle. in this context? it's about attacking someone who said they were religious just because he said he was religious and assuming that means he CAN'T or WON'T think scientifically.
protip: i never said any of that. if you're asking, (which i'm sure you're not) i believe very strongly that science isn't designed to disprove God's existance. i believe that it's used to show how God works. you can agree with me, or disagree with me and that's perfectly fine. you are allowed to have your opinion and i respect that whether or not we agree with each other.
just because someone is religious doesn't mean he's a fanatic. and just because someone is an athiest doesn't mean he can't be a fanatic.
I think you have the wrong dictionary. Here is webster - as I pointed out to you in pm
Science is going by reason, critical thinking and experiments - > forming the best possible description of the world we live in.Definition of FANATIC
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion <they're fanatic about politics>
— fanatic noun
— fa·nat·i·cal·ly adverb
— fa·nat·i·cal·ness noun
See fanatic defined for kids »
Variants of FANATIC
fa·nat·ic or fa·nat·i·cal
Examples of FANATIC
<because of her fanatical views, her friends know better than to discuss religion with her>
Religion is gullibility - faith -> precisely not the above.
Stating they're equally valid or equally able to be 'fanatical about' is asinine.
Being an atheist is simply rejecting theistic claims. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Thanks to this thread I googled the girl I was in love with in kindergarten more than 30 years ago!
Actually, we were in kindergarten together, but it's a couple years later than she bite my hand after I confessed my love to her (the kind of stuff that makes analysts rich!).
Anyway, thanks for nothing Supertouch!
Supertouch did you know humans all exist in a giant fish tank, the outer walls encasing us, the torrent of infinite, that is beyond human mind to comprehend. We an imperfect being, building our roads that mimic blood vessels, our industrial complexes that mimic organs, preforming specific specialized functions. We slowly building a giant human out all our tiny collective minds. Imagine all the little living things smaller than us, imagine how the smaller the animal the less aware of our existence they become, until we realize they are in fact completely incapable of recognizing our existence. Now imagine the titans that rule the universes above and beyond us, that we marginal creatures simply do not have the capacity to understand.
here's what i quoted in the pm to him...
Excessive, irrational zeal.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
that isn't really any different than what websters dictionary used. i simply chose that one because it DIDN'T refer to any specifics. in the other definitions it likes to throw out things like religious, political or sports-related fanaticism. which, yes, are good examples. they just aren't the only examples. you can be fanatical about anything.
fair enough.i was attempting to not use the phrase "believing in science." i realize athiests aren't scientists and vice versa.Being an atheist is simply rejecting theistic claims. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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seriously though, in the spirit of peace, let's just agree to disagree. i didn't come on here to start a religion flame war.
You need to understand what the scientific method is. Here, read:
Now stop making unfounded assertions regarding science.
Also, you're the one making the positive claim, the existence of a sky god, you have the burden of proof. Demonstrate your god - win a nobel price - or a million dollar even here:
I'll wait for your triumphant demonstration
Science in the broadest term is a system of discovery and invention based on empirical evidence and experimentation rooted in methodological naturalism. It has nothing to do with believing it or not. You're thus making a huge, huge equivocation fallacy.
2) Atheism has nothing to do with science. They're not synonyms or interchangeable. Atheism is, as stated, simply the rejection of theistic claims. Trying to understand the world around us can lead to atheism, sure, it's only natural when you realize that there is more to the answer than 'a god did it'. But it's not a requirement. The head of the human genome project, Francis Collins, is a Christian for instance.
The Theism Thread for that - along with Zeus, Allah, Loch Ness monster and all the other imaginary beings.
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Wait... So I said something in response to the op that was in no way offensive nor malicious... And you tell me I can't come here because what I believe in and then insult me for doing so? I'm seriously sorry that my beliefs have offended you so horrifically that your only recourse is to call me names and try to kick me out. I have made several attempts to call a truce and move on. However you seem to be unwilling or unable to do so. Maximum rustle indeed.
You're not the victim here. You don't get to put reason and unreason on the same shelf. As long as you're being intellectually insincere, yes, your opinion is not welcome in the 'Grown Up Stuff' sub threads. You are free to make equivocation fallacies in, say, the rickshaw or The Theism Thread. That's what they're there for. Good day, sir!
dude. leave it. if you seriously feel the need to have a conversation with me, do it in pm's.
Bunch of crazy fanatics in this thread!
i know PLENTY of people who have told me that evolution is correct but have been unable to tell me WHY. JUST as how i have had people told me that creationism is correct BUT CAN'T TELL ME WHY. i am NOT saying that science is wrong or unreasoning or anything of the sort. for lack of a better term, i am a scientist myself.
if someone can tell me that their truth is that gravity exists and they have done enough tests and experiments to make their decision on it? awesome. i love that. if someone says that gravity exists because their teacher told them and if i don't agree with them wholeheartedly then i'm wrong? well... that's a fanatic. it's NOT about science. the gravity being real is IRRELEVANT to the fanaticism. it's not about making science and faith equal. because they are not and they never will be.
can we get back on topic now?
Anyone else still waiting for that list of scientific discoveries that show God exist?
Wow, this thread went weird.
A true bro would have been on top of that shit, I have let you down.
let me put it this way... there have been people all throughout history that have used scientific research to back up their OWN PERSONAL beliefs... things like, white people are genetically better than black people. that's even something that poeple are STILL trying to argue. and Sir Isaac Newton was utterly convinced of alchemy.
so, i'm not attacking science, or scientists or anything like that. i'm simply pointing out that someone can have an irrationally strong "belief" in anything, even if the thing they "believe in" is something that admonishes faith itself.
seriously... is what i'm saying completely retarded or are people stuck on the idea of having faith in science?
because that's not what i'm saying. what if instead of the term "fanaticism" i used the phrase "blind science?"
this is from an article about blind science vs blind faith.
This student was walking across campus with a professor whose field is religious studies. In their conversation, the student happened to mention the resurrection of Christ. The professor's response: The resurrection is inconsistent with the laws of physics. Now, in fact, the laws of physics lie at a considerable conceptual distance from phenomena such as human death and decay and their possible reversal. This particular professor in any case, would have little if any idea where to begin showing that resurrection conflicts with physics—or why it matters, if it does conflict. Indeed, who would? Very few, I would imagine. "Science" was vaguely invoked to end the discussion, just as in other contexts, "religion" is used for the same purpose.
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You could simply say 'bad science exists'. But when you denigrate a field that is explicitly intended to be a fact based pursuit of truth you need to be more careful in your comparisons to a field that is explicitly intended to be a faith based pursuit of truth.
you're right of course and i conceded that i didn't clarify well enough originally that i wasn't denigrating science. i wasn't saying ANYTHING about science. so for me to even say "bad science exists" would still be disingenuous to my point. bad SCIENTISTS exist. that's my point. my point is that PEOPLE pick and choose what they want to hear, what they want to see, and what they want to believe. and that habit can be applied to ANY medium. that doesn't mean that the medium itself looses worth, or that the medium itself needs to be defended.
it's like someone saying they don't like a specific gold necklace because it's gaudy and then someone responding by telling them how valuable gold is. you're missing the point. it's not about how valuable or invaluable gold is. the issue is that the person thinks this one, very specific style of jewelry is gaudy.
Wrapping up platitudes with a shitty presentation makes only a shit sandwich. Plz stop trying to feed everyone shit sandwiches.
i'm... not wrapping up anything...
seriously people. get some stability that someone can have a differing opinion than you (even if it's not) and be able to have a "grown-up" conversation without devolving into name calling. you are all so stuck on that idea that i said science requires faith. and that science and religion are equal.
the topic was, have you ever had an existential crisis. someone mentioned that only religious losers have existential crises because they need imaginary people to make them feel good about themselves. MY existential crisis came from realizing that these infallible people i grew up with are NOT infallible. i had a lot of people abuse religion AND abuse science and i had to re-identify everything that had been taught to me. it occured to me that science and religion are not mutually exclusive. they can't be for the very reason that every one keeps pointing out. they are two different things. one doesn't disprove the other
but as soon as someone says science and someone says religion, everybody gets all up in arms ready to throw down and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are right and the other person is wrong. which, by the way. goes completely against science. science isn't about proving that you are right and someone else is wrong. it's about discovering with concrete fact what is truth. that, to me, does not have anything to do with disproving... well, anything. it can be used to disprove things, of course. but that is NOT it's purpose.
so everybody. lay it to rest. if you don't agree with me, that's perfectly fine by me. if you want to have an adult conversation about it, great. i don't even care if you want to neg me and call me names. perfectly find by me. but the sheer fact that the only response over and over and over again is insults means that you are, exactly, the people i am talking about.
"people can become fanatical about anything, even science."
"you retard, science is perfect."
"i... didn't say it wasn't. i ddn't say anything about science. i said PEOPLE can..."
"no, you are making science and religion equal rabble rabble rabble."
What I'm saying:
"Don't make useless points in so stupid and offensive ways that people will be annoyed with you."
What you're hearing:
"You retard, science is perfect."
Okay, that's fair. So I guess my question is what did I say that was so offensive? I won't what I said that was stupid as that is a completely subjective statement. But I'm seriously curious what I said that was offensive. I have better things to do with my time than to offend people out of ignorance. No sarcasm intended
Actually, now that everyone is ready for a group hug, can we get back to these scientific discoveries that prove the existence of God? Can you cite, say, two? BRB calling hodj.
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Proof? There isn't any one way or the other. There is however, scientific arguments that one can make that, at the very least, keep the debate for god vs no god very much alive. Scientifically speaking, an object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion unless otherwise affected by another force. This means that something had to START everything else. An intelligent force had to guide and direct creation. Which goes along with the next point. All things are contingent meaning that it is possible for them not to exist. Meaning that there was a time when they didn't exist. We all know that matter cannot be created nor destroyed and yet scientifically we know that there was a time nothing existed. Meaning, again that some force had to create everything. A thing cannot create itself for it needs to exist in order to create.
Scientific proof? No of course not. But I just showed using, more or less, modern scientific principles that I have as much scientific evidence to support my claims as you do to support yours.
But this conversation isn't about proving our disproving god. It's about whether or not people fanatically make scientific claims about something they are unable to scientifically back up and dimly use the argument "it's science" as if they are invoking some case study in a court room.
And again, what did I say that was so offensive? I asked, genuinely. And again I was insulted. This is the grown up thread. Why is the only response name calling?
You're rehashing Aquinas, badly.
Badly because you don't agree, or badly because I've misrepresented some of his arguments?
You said earlier in the thread:
Also, your following claim:
"Extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past. This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity."
I am no scientist but this seems to disagree with your proposition that there was a "time nothing existed". To be sure, there is no claim of a complete understanding; the citation concedes a breakdown of Relativity. However, that doesn't make it rational to say "God did it."
edit- correct a link.
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