what a step up from Skyfall.
Just rewatched this movie today and enjoyed it tremendously again. Cant believe its already been 5 years. I wish they would bring back Marc Forster to direct the next Bond film.
what a step up from Skyfall.
I really wanted to like Skyfall and at some point I think I convinced myself it was a good movie, but after rewatching it - it really fell apart for me by the end.
I think Quantum has several fantastic scenes like the entire Opera sequence, the assault on the Hotel, the airplane sequence - as well as great locations. The plot and the villain are also fantastic, instead of the usual gimmicky death ray tropes, or trying to get all the money in the world, it has the prescience to consider water rights as something that people will be fighting over tooth and nail in 20-30 years and use it as a plot device. Dominic Greene is a great villain too, the actor who plays him did a fantastic job. Certainly a better villain than Le Chiffre or Raoul Silva
Not sure if serious because Araysar.
However, I did think QoS was better than Skyfall. And I'd agree with all the reasons you mentioned for both CR and QoS. Skyfall got too gimmicky and cheesy, even though it was still grittier and edgier than older Bond films. It wasn't perfect but I thought they had the feel of the reboot going better and dropped the ball with the third movie.
I think Quantum was a decent movie but fell a little short in the end. I recall it needing a few minutes of padding here and there to smooth out the story a bit. Also you really had to have seen Casino Royale and relatively recently to be able to follow some of what was going on and who some people were, which is both good and bad I guess.
Shitty title to a shitty thread about a shitty movie.
Hated Skyfall. Was over-hyped trash. QoS was good.
James Bond villain got moves.
Much of the movie made no sense because the writers strike forced them to shoot with a shitty script. The Mathis scene, the ambiguous closure to the Vesper storyline, etc. And trying to make Olga Kuriniakkoyao Bolivian failed horribly. And who gives a shit about a plot to sell expensive water to people in a third world dump?
Mathis scene - Medrano/Greene tortured Mathis to get info about Bond from him, then shoved him into the trunk of Bond's car, then tipped off the cops about it. Likely the cops were working for Medrano anyways and had orders to kill them both.
Vesper - nothing ambiguous about it. She was the one who betrayed Bond to Le Chiffre in Montenegro and he wiped him out financially and then she wouldnt let him reup so that Bond would lose the tournament. He only stayed in because Leiter gave him his stake. The final scene in Quantum explains how Yusef would seduce high ranking women and then get "kidnapped" so that they could blackmail them. She is vindicated at the end because Bond realizes that Quantum forced her to do things against her will.
Olga Kurylenko was OK as a Bolivian. This isn't much of a complaint.
The plot wasnt to sell "expensive water", it was to sell water, period, to people who would have access to none. In this scenario water becomes more expensive than oil or gold. But if a viewer doesnt know anything about water rights, or water politics - its no surprise that something like this would fly entirely over their head. It's a genius plot point honestly.
But it's still about money. Either making money by selling that water back to Bolivian government to keep their people from rioting and overthrowing the government or by having a Poker Holdem Tournament in former Yugoslavia or by "controlling all the markets in the world" or whatever the fuck Raoul Silva claimed he was going to do in Skyfall aside from taking his revenge on M.
I was dissapointed that Skyfall didn't continue the Mr. White storyline, I was waiting for the rebooted Blofeld reveal. I heard it was going to be somewhat of a triology?
Instead we got Home Alone in Scotland for the shittiest revenge ever. It felt like the finale of the old bonds (they mention him being old!?) instead of the 3rd film of the new ones (other than rediculous last 5 minutes).
Last edited by Chris; 06-30-2013 at 05:15 PM.
He's already signed to do 2 more Bond films based off the success of Skyfall.
quantum of solace was forgettable. skyfall was good until javier bardem's character became a sniveling idiot.
Each one has been worse than the one before. Casino Royale is the best Bond ever. QoS is still pretty good and Skyfall is underwhelming. Really hope they bounce back with the next Bond. Daniel Craig is too awesome of a Bond for the movies to be mediocre.
Uh, I understood all that perfectly well, thank you very much. But what was that nonsense about Mathis's code name? And why did Bond suddenly trust him in the first place? And cutting short the scene with Vesper's boyfriend was lame and the whole bit seemed out of place. And I didn't even get into the most confusing action scene editing in the history of film. Its hard to like the movie when the opening car chase and subsequent bit with the assassin was a complete fucking mess. I never had an issue with the quick cuts in Bourne Supremacy, so why is QoS an indecipherable mess?
That said, Craig is incredible in the role and the movie was still better than most of the Brosnan stuff. But I'd rather watch Skyfall because Bardham is fun and the action scenes are better.
I find Quantum of Solace enjoyable, and if you watch Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace back to back, I find it's a much better movie.
The only reason its enjoyable is Daniel Craig. Which could be why I'm the only person on the planet that seems to have liked Skyfall.
I haven't seen Skyfall yet, should probably get on that...
I'm pretty much right there with you Kreugen. I enjoyed Skyfall quite a bit and wasn't terribly fond of QoS. I think it was all the brooding love bullshit that really threw me off. Casino Royale was great though. I really enjoyed the Parkour chase in the beginning.
The one thing about Skyfall I wasn't terribly fond about is that Daniel Craig is suddenly... the only Bond? Like all of the previous movies are null and void now? What with his parents having the last name of Bond and his real name being James (as per the old guy at Skyfall itself). I was under the impression (From the Pierce Brosnan films), that James Bond & 007 were identities given to a specific agent when the previous one passes away or retires. Skyfall made it seem like it's just him. He is Bond and nothing else happened previously. Yet at the same time, he had the Aston Martin from Goldfinger.
QoS was fucking awful. Skyfall was a great film, from a film-making perspective, but the plot was kinda poopy.
I've always thought this grasping for some kind of continuity was stupid. When Val Kilmer took over for Michael Keaton as Batman, no one said "Oh, the original Bruce Wayne retired and this new guy stepped in to assume his identity." Likewise when George Clooney adopted the role. It's the same thing with James Bond except on a much longer time frame--the realities of Hollywood and time force different actors to play the same character. That's all it is.
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Up until Craig all of the Bonds were standalone sequels that could have taken place in any order. Very few of the movies referenced each other, beyond "I had a wife, she died." And obviously they just ignored the fact that they were spread out over 40 years. Craig Bond is a reboot.
Last edited by Kreugen; 07-01-2013 at 03:59 AM.
1. What mathis' code name?
2. Scene with Vesper's BF (I assume you mean Yusef) was exactly as long as it needed to be, what else did you expect?
3. How did you not understand the opening chase sequence? It literally happens 30 minutes after the ending of Casino Royale. He shoots Mr. White in the leg at the end of CR, bundles him up in the trunk and takes him to a MI-6 safehouse and he is ambushed and chased on the way there
You clearly DID NOT understand the movie. It's only an "indecipherable mess" to you because you can't be bothered to work that grey matter for more than 3 seconds and put the things together, you clearly need to have your Bond movie spoonfed to you.
Craig might be dismissive of the work he and Forster did on rewriting the script - but they did a good job. Not as great as CR, and no one is arguing that, but the plot was still miles better than 20+ other Bond movies in the franchise.
Last edited by Araysar; 07-01-2013 at 08:42 PM.
I re-read what I wrote at the time of QoS's release the gist was: as much as I found the villain's plot original and interesting and as much as I like Amalric as an actor, this is not a very cinegenic master plan and it makes the antagonist into... basically a boring accountant. I think it's disappointing, I see how one might find that refreshing, but then they take their accountant and make him fight and that is just really really dumb. I also note that the Opera scene is great, but that Forster can't film action to save his life (on that note, neither does Mendes, but he has the courtesy to keep things simple and make the attraction come from elsewhere, like the lightning/jellyfishes in the HK scene).
Hydraulic despotism is not a James Bond plot, its a boring topic for UN conferences. Bond should be fighting insane villains who want to either destroy the world or are obsessed with one person or thing, Bond isn't interesting when he is fighting CEOs and corporations. What next, James Bond vs Halliburton or James Bond vs Al Gore's plot to sell all American TV networks to Al Jazeera?
Oh, good Bond movies also need a henchman who is crazier than the villain. Oddjob, Jaws, or the little dwarf guy in Man with the Golden Gun. The reboots have done poorly in that area.
Crazy enough I believe the Roger Moore bond movies have actually pulled in the most money out of all the Bond actors, which is just weird.
Dude.. really? I was talking about the editing of the chase scene, not the story of the goddamn movie. Is this the "being obtuse on purpose" from section B of The Art of Trolling? Or is discussing two points in the same post too hard to follow?
Point A) The Editing
* the stuff about the chase scene. Yes, I know he has the fucking guy in the trunk from CR, I'm not a goddamn moron.
Point B) The Script
* If it works for you, great. Most disagree.
Last edited by Kreugen; 07-02-2013 at 12:30 AM.
araysar...your taste in movies sucks.
1st prometheus,now quantum of solace?
imo,quantum of solace was one of worst bond movies i've ever seen.
Last edited by ohkcrlho; 07-03-2013 at 01:42 AM.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
I liked the premise of Skyfall, old ways bumping into new tech, attacks on MI6/English soil, retirement/death of Dench's M. But the villian and his plan wasted the premise and what should have been a slam dunk addition to the Bond villian gallery with Bardem's performance. The whole plot felt so clunky it made water-barons seem complex and refreshing by comparison.
After Casino Royale I went into the theater pumped for QoS. Spastic editing during the into scene immediately told me, "this is not going to be as good".
The action scenes are brutal and would have been amazing if only ANY given piece of footage would have lasted more than a fraction of a fucking second. The end of this car chase is intense and yet the crashed car doesn't even stay on screen, lol.
Jesus how many cuts are needed to make it 'action-y' enough? Later on say during the horse race/chase scene the editing was maddening.
The villain I liked, though I could not help but thinking he sounded like an elder scrolls elf battle screaming;
Last edited by JVIRUS; 07-03-2013 at 06:13 PM.
I was trying to count the cuts, but lost track quickly. over 50 of them in the first 45 seconds of that clip, and it just gets worse from there.
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