They managed to pull a shitload of gold out tonight though. Todd and his OMGWTFSUPAHTRAMMEL!!! seems to be working so far.
Repeat from Morenetz.
Todd Hoffman and father are retarded people that no one should invest in for mining.
The Indian River crew is an awesome group of guys that I would like to see succeed.
Dakota Fred tends to be an a-hole but his son is cool for the most part.
And Parker seems like a brat this season but his Grandpa is kickass so I hope he does good for his Grandpas sake.
But really the Hoffmans are fucking retarded, I cant stress this enough.
They managed to pull a shitload of gold out tonight though. Todd and his OMGWTFSUPAHTRAMMEL!!! seems to be working so far.
I just want to know how much each crew gets paid by teh Discovery Channel. The notion that these guys have gone home broke after each of the first two seasons is ridiculous. Hoffman's crew is sporting a couple million dollars worth of new equipment this year, I just don't buy that their whole operation is being floated by some investor from TX. The numbers just don't add up, a thousand ounces at the current price of $1700 per is only $1.7 million. There's no way $1.7 million covers all the new excavators, dozers, TWO new washplants, and fuel to run both sites, and have anything left over to give everyone a good payday.
The difference in the two crews? Dave Turin has a degree in Civil Engineering and Todd Hoffman has a degree in Religious Studies...
I think the investment was a multi year idea. They may break even or lose a little but next year they won't have to buy the wash plants or excavators.
I laughed though when Dave's team got 93 ounces and then retard miner Todd jumps in with his "I'm going to get us to 100 ounces". Like gee you would do that for us, get a whopping 7 ounces! Must be some kind of wizard.
Whatever happened with the Hoffmans going down to South America? How did that turn out? I only saw like three episodes and thought it was pretty good but have never been able to catch the others.
read somewhere that hoffman crew got just under $50k per show to split and another place said the crews get a bonus per ounce.
Harshaw that's what would have made that show so awesome, watching the Hoffmans go ape shit over things.
Bamazon eh? I may have to take a look into that.
Is Jungle Gold any good even though it's totally different people?
Personally I didn't care for the Jungle Gold show and only watched a couple episodes, so I can't say much about it. I did watch the premiere of Bamazon though and it wasn't half bad.
Gold Rush is by far the best of these gold shows. I'm not crazy about Todd but he does know how to assemble a good crew. I bet he finishes the season real strong. I don't know how he's so passive with the dude who built him that trummel? Shouldn't he have known they needed a stronger motor to power that shit?
The whole amazon/african gold rush things are just way to wild west to actually film. For the africa one unless you are going in with a lot of armed guys you are pretty much at the mercy of anybody who has them. For the amazon one you are talking about the same level of lawlessness combined with the wonders of jungle/flora/fauna and tropical diseases. I am pretty sure a year working down there would kill off half the hoffman crew if they tried it.
The canada/alaska things have their own safety issues but in the grand scheme of things dealing with some brown bears once in a while is pretty minor.
They basically waste money and time all show culminating in them agreeing to some back alley gold deal in more desparation with their final 35k, then they get the gold they got, supposedly going to be worth 70k, stolen by an armed gunmen. Out of money the show concludes and they go home still believing they'll be back. Really painful show to watch.
TLDR White Mormons with massive egos trying to hack it in a cutthroat gold rush scenario with big time foreign investors/ chinese laborers / lots of guns / and little law.
Most of these "reality" shows on discovery are staged / manipulated by the producers in a lame attempt to be more dramatic (attract women viewers?).
The Jungle Gold show is exceptionally bad and an attempt to ride of the coattails of the ratings that the gold rush show has. It has no redeeming qualities and no characters that you would want to see succeed. It does not even hold value in watching it just to root against the 2 idiots.
In my opinion, many of these shows (Sons of Guns, Gold Rush, Bering Sea Gold) would actually be better if they didn't have some douchebag producer trying to create/manipulate the story.
I do not see any of the ventures on the show (gold rush) making business sense and see them more as a bunch of idiots (some of them good intentioned and hard workers) trying to live out a childhood fantasy and gaining an appreciation for how much engineering / work / knowledge goes into this line of work.
O.K. I watched the last show (mid-season finale) and with all the hype announcing who struck the mother-lode...I don't see it. Parker is shut down for the time being. The Dakota boys have come upon some gold but it still doesn't suggest anything big when you consider all the hype.
Todd dodged a bullet, recovering enough gold to keep his investor happy. In the end, we still don't know who's gonna come out on top.
My prediction is that everyone but the Schnabel camp will bring enough to keep them going. Kinda sad though considering their circumstances.
Parker is pretty much out of options isn't he? They land they are on now is close to drying up and the creek was the last hope for them and come to find out it's not virgin ground and is empty.
If dave is not the one who hit the "motherload" I will be surprised. Seriously he was working on his wash plant when todd came up and said we need you to get the 7 ounces by tomorrow. They refired everything back up going and managed to pull in around 20 oz out of a single days run. While it may not be ermagad thousand ounces level motherload I see him baring the gold just dying out hitting his 500 oz mark which will likely excede anything the other claims are doing. Parker hit that one 50 oz week and is now out of paydirt to work. Daves cleanouts are getting bigger and bigger as time goes on and should continue to be good until he finally hits bedrock.
It's either Dave or Fred. As much as I hate Fred he's sitting on gold, it's just taking him forever to get to it.
Im glad Dave's crew managed some more gold last episode but I hated the "created drama" that im sure the producer had a hand in. The way Dave and his crewed bitched about having to go to work and mine gold, the reason they are out there, seemed fake to me. Lets be honest here, if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do, why would you need a day off? Just to sit around and do nothing all day? You'd last maybe an hour and would want to go back to work.
Fake drama = bad
Yeah I don't really get that either. Seems like after the 93 ounces they got they took a day to just clean the equipment and sit around. Granted Todd cannot do a single thing right. Cannot believe they don't have a single ounce of gold yet.
I think Parker will end up being just fine, that Tony Beets guy is gonna be his future father-in-law. I remember a clip from last season when Parker went to his mine and one of Tony's cute daughters was flirting with him, even stuck out her tongue far enough to expose a piercing. Then when they show up this week at Parker's place, Beet's wife hugs him like he's a long lost family member, and Tony goes on about how he thinks Parker is the type of man that gets shit done rather than standing around whining and crying.
My wife hates Parker and thinks he's a little know it all. Which he might be but he gets stuff done, I can see he's the kind of person that refuses to fail which I can apprecieate, I wish we saw that more in kids his age.
I too hate Fred and if he hits the motherload in that glory hole it will annoy me a lot. I still get annoyed when I think of him coming in to help the Hoffmans get set up then after seeing things and the land first hand, went and bought the claim from under them. Screw that guy.
Dave is awesome and is destroying it, I bet though once they get that other washplant up it'll go nuts....though I don't get for how much "research" and how "state of the art" is't suppose to be that even running light loads of paydirt on it is destroing the engine. Seems like I'd be demanding a refund.
Anyone else get the feeling after watching the latest episode that the guy who "designed" and built Todd's super trommel has never actually had a working one before? You would have thought he would have known the motor was too small and overall the vibe I get from him is an "In theory all of this could work".
Also taking bets on who hits the motherlode. I think they are pushing too much that its going to be Dakota Fred with his waterfall spot. Im banking on it being Dave with that upper bench of dirt. Who knows what the fuck Parker is doing and Todd and his crew havent run any dirt at all so by far they are the long shot right now.
I really hope that new trommel just falls to pieces, don't know what it is but I can't stand Todd and his family on the show.
Everything surrounding Todd's crew just doesn't add up to me. They spend millions of dollars on new equipment and washplants and put it all on a lease that can be completely mined in half a season (Indian River) to get less than 300 ozs. and would have sat with their thumbs up their asses for the last half of the season if they couldn't have talked the dude into giving them the upper bench? No way any serious investment group would have signed off on that.
I pretty much buy whats going on at Porcupine and Quartz, but in no way does Todd and his crew represent any kind of reality in the world of gold mining.
i just started watching a show called Lost Treasure Hunters.
it was pretty cool. these guys are hunting diamonds from a thought dead diamond mining area in India. these guys are turning up diamonds. though i dunno they look pretty fucking tiny. and they are saying these are 2000 dollar diamonds? i think i bought my mom a diamond ring bigger than these in the 90s from Zales and it was like a hundred bucks with the gold ring.
The fake scripted shit is pretty damn awful in that Bering sea gold one. I think I was watching one of the under the ice ones in the summer and some guy loses his flippers or weights and they of course have a camera shot of them falling to do the ocean floor and they have the guy end up going to get it without his hot water suit etc when they obviously have a camera crew that can just get them easy but just go for the drama, not to mention all the people always yelling for "help" on the radio with no one listening. I'm sure the camera crew is just are hoping they die for the ratings??? I feel Deadliest catch got popular because it was pretty cut and dry and for the most part the drama was real or at worse slightly exaggerated to the point where it was so obvious and insulting.
I'm betting Todd and his crew get the motherload. I don't get all the hate for Todd. He's just a dude gold mining that is still learning how to on the go. I also think they internationally portray him in a certain light and he's more aware than the show leads on. Dave and his group is by far my favorite crew. This show is still very entertaining to me so they must be doing something right.
Parker buys a new claim next season? Seems like they are running out of land to mine.
For parker they may find enough dirt to run for this season but I think his grandpas claim is just about officially tapped out. He is either going to need another claim or go to work for somebody else on their claim.
Is he land locked on his claim have they said? Like are there any open ones that boarder his own or would he have to up and move the operation? That alone could cost enough to sink his operations.
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Good question. They havent said anything. I imagine they are thinking of what to do after smith creek went bust.
I am pretty sure his claim is surrounded by other claims most of that area has been claimed already and most of these guys are leasing their claims from other people.
Well I know that Todds crew was originally leasing and thats how the Dakota Boys took over their claim, I think they outright purchased their claims this time though to prevent that from happening again. And Parkers Grandpa I'm positive owns his as well.
Nope as you can see in the last episode when they get permission to dig the upper ledge at indian creek they are leasing it from the claim owner for a percent of the gold recovered.
Edit yes parkers dad is the owner of that claim but I am pretty sure all the others are leased claims.
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I haven't watched the last episode yet so I that's why I didn't know.
Todd dun goofed again digging in that area where the dredge had been years ago. How long before Dave jumps ship on his own? I say by next season.
Todd: "I feel really dumb now."
Me: "-NOW- you feel dumb?"
Why would they spend all the fuel and all that time clearing that whole plot of land instead just a portion of it....or ask the fucking claim owner if he knew about that piece of land or not. Holy shit.
Just imagine if Todd didn't create that second team. 2/3 through the mining season he's officially sitting on less than 1oz of gold. He brought in a first generation trommel that has been nothing but problems so far. He's fucking with Dave now who oh by the way is the only reason your afloat right now. Numbskull.
And Parker, Jesus I know you can't stand your one employee, but when said employee shows you proof of gold in the soil, and your running out of land as it is, run the fucking dirt.
I can look past Parker's mistakes because of his youth and amibition, he will learn from his mistakes. Todd on the other hand has no excuse.
My prediction is there is no "motherload", at least not in the truest sense of the word. ToddCrew will probly get close to a thousand ounces and when it's all piled up it will certainly look impressive and technically live up to the "motherload" that was advertised early in the season, but when you consider how much money went into pulling that "motherload" out of the ground, its not really that great.
Fair point on the "motherload" claim. I guess it would have been better to say that I think the season has turned around for Parker and he'll end strong.
Nah, I bet Dave pulls bank from the land he's clearing right now just like he's been doing all season.
With Parker, I could look past his mistakes if he wasn't such a cock about it. The kid used to be a bit more humble then he is now but he thinks 2 or 3 years doing this and he knows all there is to know. He was fucking throwing away thousands of dollars worth of gold off a cliff when they had absolutely nothing to run. The old dude whos been doing it for years tells him that's not a smart thing to do and he just tells him to fuck off. A 1 year rookie and the other old timer tell him the same thing and he acts like it's some awesome idea and he's glad they brought it to his attention.
I don't care if you don't like that other guy, he was fucking right and it's good he went to him after and maned up a bit, but Parker has been a dick a lot this season both on and off the show. Have you guys seen the behind the scenes stuff? He threatened to run over one of the camera crew, the crew itself has said the kid is unstable multiple times. Fuck em.
Did Discovery take a couple weeks break for Christmas? Episode 9 is the last that I have seen.
I love watching the retard Hofmans! But, their investor has to be two levels dumber.
The last couple of non-eps were annoying - to add to the Toddisms; there was an interesting fact on one of the post-commercial screens, Todd has no qualifications other than a bible bashing degree - fucking lol people investing in him.
I wouldn't watch the show without Todd though. He's always good for a few laughs.
Hilarious to watch. It's a show packed with desperate people running so hard they don't think even one step ahead. Add to that the old nut (Jack) who's sabotaging the operation at every turn without even realising it. Too bad there's only 3 season's so far
gold is yummy
Todd: I'm saying we get 15 ouncs minimum!
*Shows Todd vial of 7 ounces of gold*
LoL wtf....gtfo of here Todd, let Dave take over.
Found it interesting that Tony Beets doesn't believe in using a trommel to catch the gold, only to sort the dirt. There's Todd using a trommel for catching gold, and so far not so good.
Not just a trommel, A SUPER TROMMEL!!!
Dakota Fred pulls out the epic loot. Nice, Thought he was done.
Edit: Then the Todd crew finds out they are letting the gold escape, with the THE SUPER TROMMELZ designer on site.
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Man, that SUPER DUPER TROMMELZ was well worth it eh?!
Also to the guy who said he quit his job to go min with Todd....had he never seen the show before?
I really hope Dave is in charge next season.
Do you think they really keep their gold in glass jars or is that just because it looks cool on TV? That seems insane to me. I keep imagining them dropping one of those jars with $100k+ in gold in it and having to remine it from the parking lot gravel. How hard would it be to put it in a tough plastic container that won't break if you drop it?
Also, does ANYONE like the versions of these shows where they put tweets in the corner of the screen? Last thing I want is to be distracted by some random retard's attempt at a clever joke. The constant commercials at the bottom of the screen are bad enough.
[QUOTE=BrutulTM;73560]Do you think they really keep their gold in glass jars or is that just because it looks cool on TV? That seems insane to me. I keep imagining them dropping one of those jars with $100k+ in gold in it and having to remine it from the parking lot gravel. How hard would it be to put it in a tough plastic container that won't break if you drop it?
It seems they all store it in the jars. I'm sure its for television. I would think it to be a better idea to do what some of the other gold shows have done, smelt it on site.
Also, its just a small step towards this
Yeah the Twitter thing is pretty obnoxious, they do it on all their shows now and it's pretty annoying.
I don't see how Dakota Fred is making money, their operation is small and with fuel costs and what not, I just don't see how the guy turns a profit. Also he just bought all that equipment on credit which seems even crazier given again, I don't know how he turns a profit.
No idea what it is about this show but I can't stop watching it. I kind of feel bad for Parker just b/c he's so young to have the whole future of his mine depend on him. I feel like it has to be Fred or Dave that hits the "mother lode" if that is even the proper term for it. Only two guys who really get shit done even if Fred wastes half his time on ghetto repairs to equipment. I just hope someone actually hits some serious fucking gold to qualify their "mother lode" statement.
It better be the Dakota boys. They have been talking about and building up the hype of that fucking glory hole for 3 years now.
That equipment isn't a straight-up expense, you only pay for the interest and depreciation and you can get a lot of your money back out of it when you're done with it.
What pisses me off is Todd is too fucking stupid to have his crew hand pan their dirt. Fred and 2 others have found 70 something ounces doing it by hand but Todd and 5+ other guys can't do the same thing? Even if it takes forever at least you;re producing something...
It was pretty awesome when they did nothing but run dirt they had dug up for like 6 weeks only to get 7 ounces out of it because it all fell out the back.
Dave should be on his own next season. Todd talking all this shit about 1000 ounces and he hasn't produced jack shit all season yet. Dave is the only reason they have any gold.
The trommel thing is just the kicker for me. He should of just went with what Dave was building.. Considering it was being designed by a gold mining expert...Competing makes 0 sense when people's livelihood is on the line.
What I really don't get is the times when they found out that they were washing gold away (bad setup) and not just re-run some of what came out. I mean, the gold is heavy so it doesn't wash away like the sand.
Yes hell he is friends with the guy who built the wash plant for dave why the flaming hell would you NOT have gotten freddie to just build you a second one. That way if something goes wrong you have the expert who helped design them just down the road from you.
OK clearly this just confirms that the SUPER TROMMEL!! has never even been tested and was designed clearly on a "I think this should work" theory. From the motor burning out in 2 hours to the lining falling apart so soon clearly this thing was never tested. Obviously the guy who made it reached out to Todd and told him to put it on the show and more then likely offered a significant discount on it. Also correct me if im wrong but according to the show when they showed how the trommel works, it carries the heavy gold UPWARDS??? towards the sluice box and the water and dirt go downwards out the bottom? Did I see that right?
Yeah, the inner coil carries it up once it falls through to the bottom....but the guy who designed decided it was a good idea to anchor the blades with something other then a weld. Why he thought it was a good idea to secure something that moves hundreds of thousands of yards of material with an adhesive instead of a weld was a good idea is beyond me, he probably used the same logic that he used when he thought an engine the size of a car engine was big enough to power the thing.
Hehe Todd "I failed this summer". I think he means "I failed the past three summers".
His crew should have dumped his fat ass for Dave after he first showed up. But I guess it's all fake anyway
The investor telling Todd to drop one of his crew will be interesting. I wonder if Discovery Channel will try to play a part in this and have them contemplate getting rid of Thurber, the only guy people like on Todd's crew just to add some drama, then pull a 180 and somehow find gold and then have everyone stay. I can see it happening.
More lulz from Todd this week. Well guys it wasn't an easy move, but I think it was the right call merging the teams. As opposed by your other choice, pack up and go home so the boys with half a clue can actually mine gold. Can't wait to see the calls Todd makes over at Dave's team. Should go smooth.
Prediction. Todd pisses Dave off enough, and will be the beginning of the end of their working relationship for next season.
I'm not sure there's a single person out there that doesn't want Dave on his own team.
I kinda wish they would go back to the Amazon and try it there again.
I know it's a 2 mile ride.. but instead of those guys sitting for weeks doing nothing, why didn't they just truck the dirt over for Dave's team to run?
Eh, Fuel costs would have been insane to do that I think and there is enough land on Indian River for them to clear to not have to do that I would think. I see the reasoning as to not do that and next season just put the same wash plant that Dave hands in Todd's claim and run what they dug this year at that time.
Parker is going to be running dirt only from where the old base camp was, what was suggest above was Todd run the dirt from an entire claim over to another. Quite a different task I would think and many, many more loads.
Anyways, did anyone notice that the show is no longer called "Gold Rush Alaska" and simply "Gold Rush"? It's because Todd and Dave are actually mining in Canada (Quartz Creek and Indian River are in the Yukon). Dun-dun-duuuuun
I don't think you really get the math...Indian River is as close to a sure thing as they got. What would you rather have?
600 ounces with $20,000 in fuel?
600 ounces with $40,000 in fuel?
Why spend the extra on fuel when they don't need to?
Parkers situation is totally different, he has no gold....ANYWHERE and is taking a shot in the dark with no test holes or even prior panning. This is literally his only and last shot, he's all in at this point.
Not only that, but they are running dirt faster at Indian River with all the machinery there.
Guys Tarrant is a gold mining expert. He has numbers on this shit.
I just fail to see how you can not see it.
Yeah it's true we don't know the terms of their claim lease, one would assume a normal person would try to get a clause in it after that happened to them with Fred to prevent it from happening again....but this -IS- Todd we're talking about. I guess without knowing for sure it's hard to say either way. Either way they stand to make money with less costs by staying in Indian for this year at least I would think.
yea, that place seems like it has some serious gold on it. I'm betting they probably do end up getting the 1000 ounces at this point.
As I was watching this episode and Todd said they were moving everyone to Indian River I turned to my wife and said that I bet you anything they dont load the dump trucks up with dirt before they go. Sure enough travelling the distance with empty trucks. I know its minor how much gold they could have gotten out of that but it just shows the lack of vision and management sense that Todd has.
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