I'll pick one up when some more of the big franchise name games come out. I won't miss a Zelda. Also looking forward to another Smash Bros.
Figured I'd make this thread again. Still playing the hell out of mine and enjoying it. Looking forward to Lego GTA, any other games you guys that have it interested in?
I'll pick one up when some more of the big franchise name games come out. I won't miss a Zelda. Also looking forward to another Smash Bros.
Yeah, Nintendo is kinda retarded. They created a false sense of disinterest because they didn't launch any key games with the system. NSMBU does not count. Why? If a game's name is more than four words, it's clearly not original enough.
Will buy when there's a game I want to play badly. Do I want to play Nintendoland? Sure, looks fun. I wouldn't mind trying ZombieU, and I wouldn't mind fighting through NSMBU, but I don't want to play any of them that badly. The system will bounce back, but Nintendo is kinda retarded for starting off like this when it's SO easy not to.
Why is it easy not to? The other consoles launch lineups were even worse.
For the mass market, your are preposterously, moronically wrong. NSMBWii was the third or fourth biggest overall seller for the Wii, and nearly 65% of the people that bought a Wii U the first week also bought a copy of NSMBU. NSMB, along with Kart, was one of the TWO franchises Nintendo could launch with to boost sales for the mass market. That is the very opposite of creating a false sense of disinterest.
For the hardcore market, you may be on to something. The hardcore audience is after core games - 80%! yes, eighty percent! - of the initial Wii purchasers bought a copy of Twilight Princess. If you want core gamers to fork over at least $300 on roughly 7 year old hardware, NSMBU was a mediocre choice (and why so much interest, if not sales, were generated for things like ZombiU).
Again, it's not the launch that's the issue. The real issue is how Nintendo will keep people's interest in 18 months or so when the WiiU starts to not be able to run decent downgrades of 720/PS4 games. (And again, the issue will probably not be the graphical fidelity, it will be memory (amount and bandwidth).)
So is the mario game just a hd remake of the wii version?
I am really interested in getting one.
I wish there was a more of a variety of games.
So, picking this up on Friday. Wasn't going to get one for myself, but my wife suggested it for our four year old. What games other than the obivious Mario/Mario like games would be good for a four year old? Trying to get her started young
From the limited time I've had to play with mine, it's been great. I really think an MMO for the Wii U could be awesome.
Waiting for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. Hoping for a bundle but that is probably one in a million that it would happen.
playing the hell out of mine. ZombiU is great imo it gets the atmosphere right Nintendo land is fun, AC3 is decent-, COD:Blops2 i suck at but my son loves using the gamepad controller for it-he is grounded from electronics for a few more days but if you see a match with Dillybo- that is my son
FYI in the US EU & australia, Demos are-finally avail in the E-Shop for:
Sonic Racing- 15 use demo - bit over a gig in size
Rayman Legends 30 use demo- around a half gig in size
and Fifa 13
as for Wii Compatibility- Most Wii games can be played on the Wiiu- on the main screen click the Wii icon/tile/channel/whatever you call it. the system REBOOTS into WiiMode, and becomes a Wii- you CANNOT use the gamepad in Wiimode. in wiimode...the wii homebrew channel works fine btw if you did the homebrew thing.
oh ya, to customize the layout of the tiles/icons/channels, its like the ipod/ipone/android setup, get the channels on the gamepad. select one, and continue to hold, all the tiles/icons/channels shake, then drag the one you selected to where you want it.
Last edited by Lenardo; 12-13-2012 at 03:09 PM.
I got the deluxe last night with NSMBU.
Haven't really played it. Mostly setup and patccing the system.
Seems to have long loading times.
I love my Wii U, I've done 100% in NSMBU so far and am currently playing through Darksiders 2 on it. The touch screen inventory system was a nice addition to that game.
PSN - Vithe | WiiU - VitheU | Steam - WiZZiE82 | battle.net - Vithe#1343
Every customer I've spoken to about purchasing a Wii U already owns a Wii and regurgitate the same concern: is this a worthwhile investment over their existing Wii? There's a lot of potential with the Wii U but storage size, game library and cost are restrictive for a system that's looking to be a longterm success. I'd wait until the inevitable price drop (and/or Wii U 2.0 now with better battery and storage, you know its coming).
Last edited by Inque; 12-17-2012 at 05:48 AM.
one of my favorite web guys is Ashens. he reviews all kinds of stuff, is very funny and will often give great insight on what people can expect.
I've really only been playing old Wii games that I never got to finish. I've enjoyed the last story, but god I wish it was harder. Had the same issue with Xenoblade Chronicles. I did buy Ninja Gaiden for the Wii U but it's had some class A bugs pop up on me a few times that stopped me from progressing. It's a real fucking pain when you get past a really hard part and then suddenly just can't progress because some mobs that set off a trigger don't spawn. I should have bought Arkham City, seeing as how it's the best version and i've yet to play any version. Yeah, I know.
Gotta say, though: the Wii Virtual Console is a joke. The fact that it downgrades back to low-def is obnoxious. Some of the game I've tried from the Wii even had to be letter-boxed.
Last edited by Lodi; 12-18-2012 at 04:20 AM.
How is the system, overall? I don't really have space for another box by the tv, so it would be replacing the Wii.
EQ Beta B Tester.
They released a patch last week that sped up the loading times on going between apps/home menu, but exiting a game is still pretty slow (as in 15-20 seconds).
Anyone else having a small freezing/pausing issue when you are playing NSMBU in multiplayer when someone dies?
Not sure if this it suspose to happen or not.
Pretty sure I'll end up getting this. Ever since my 4 year old played Mario Kart at a friends he's been into it. I suppose I could just get the old Wii. Hmm.
if you have the money, get the wiiu, then get the wii games@ discount pricing that way you can play all the Wii games & the future WiiU games. it is a press of a icon/tile to switch to wiimode and..from reports on neogaf the wiiu WILL up the 480p resolution to 1080p(honestly i have not played it in wii mode yet so cannot confirm this) so it will look "better" on a modern TV.
as for the OS speed, Iwata said there is a patch coming to speed the OS functionality even more "soon"
by the way,
TVii is being turned on Today. Tivo(DVR) & Netflix integration in Tvii is not active as of yet, that is coming - January for Tivo &
netflix "early 2013" while Hulu+ and Amazon video integration into TVii is on as of today.
Last edited by Lenardo; 12-20-2012 at 06:06 PM.
if you are interested in getting Trine 2,
its on sale for 16 dollars now until jan 7th as well
Though I am currently stationed overseas, I went into the base exchange today and they had a ton of the deluxe models on the shelf. I think this is the first Nintendo console release I can remember that is still not sold out this close to Christmas. I would love to have one to play the new Mario game, but I am not going to spend $350-400 to do it.
Looks like my Wii U will be used for sports with this wiitv. I have the stats up on the controller while I'm watching the game. I know it's not that big of a deal since we can just stat watch on our comps but still a step in the right direction.
The supply for WiiU is greater than the Wii supply.
The demand for WiiUs is much more up in the air. The WiiU sold less in its first week than the Wii did (425K vs. 476K)... but still more than the 360 or PS3 did. That said, all evidence for December tends to indicate they aren't flying off the shelves.
Whether that market is permanently lost to Apple/Android or consumers balked at spending $300+ for generation-behind hardware without a major hook (the DS has been around for years) remains to be seen.
digging mine. Now, if COD would stop freezing. Having to uninstall and reinstall an update is lame as hell.
Apparently there's a common problem that if you're connected to the internet while playing games, it will freeze. Some suggestions are: Make sure Wiiverse language is set to English ONLY. Another suggestion is to turn off your internet connection on the WiiU.
I finally got around to monkeying around with the Dolphin emulator and it's insane how good Wii games look on it. It's a shame the Wii U doesn't even come close when you play Wii games on it. They look outright terrible.
The Wii U is just running a Wii emulator, only improvement is it's actually upscaling the game to 1080p, where as the Wii couldn't do that.
Xenoblade and The Last Story look better on the Wii U, but obviously not as good as Dolphin.
Anyone else having issues with Netflix not playing certain episodes/movies?
Probably obvious but my theory on why the Wii U isn't the knockout sensation the Wii was. Most of the ultra-casual parents, grandparents, girlfriends, etc. that really bought into the Wii's casual side don't necessarily need a reason to upgrade it. They aren't gamers or graphic whores that need the new hotness and don't need the new Wii Sports, Mario Kart, NSMB, Mario Galaxies and the like when they can always just go back and replay the ones they have.
Nintendo's only hope is to focus on the console hardcore, but they're going to be more interested in awesome graphics and stuff. I think they're going to have a hard time finding an audience for the Wii U.
For what I see from the few and not super reliable data we have, the WiiU is the only home machine to sell well in Japan (5 times more than the PS3), it's lagging behind the PS3 and X360 in the US at about 2/3rd of the sales of its competitors and the PS3 dominates Europe with the Wii U a distant third with less than half the sales.
It should be noted that the Wii sales almost stopped in Japan while they stay at about 2/3 of the Wii U sales in the US and Europe.
It's not bombing just yet, but it's not very encouraging.
Sales in Japan are because of Monster Hunter, but US/Euro gamers are just bad. Though the game released for Wii U was also released on 3DS nearly a year before that so I'm sure that will have hurt the sales.
- New Super Mario Bros. U as Wii U's best-selling game with 170,563 units. Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate came in second with 110,149 units and Nintendo Land with 78,461 copies sold
Edit: Not sure if this includes bundle packs because the Wii U had a Monster Hunter bundle pack too.
Last edited by DeLLy; 12-30-2012 at 05:20 PM.
No surprise, the Wii U was as underwhelming as we thought for December, selling only 460k. That's barely better in five weeks than what it sold in the first 10 days, and for historical context, is worse than what the "599 US DOLLARS!" PS3 did in its first December.
I'm not saying the system is dead, but I am saying the current pricing is. Forget E3, they will probably have to announce a price drop in early April.
Wonder if they'd consider a price drop in February before the fiscal year ends, not sure they're quite that desperate in the short term though. Price drop + a new batch of games probably ideal.
One of the big problems has been that the black Deluxe model has been sold out in a lot of places, and the white non-Deluxe model is not selling. Everyone wants the Deluxe or nothing. it's $50 more for the Deluxe and comes with one of the best games (thats $50 by itself) on the system, more storage, and some nice stands and stuff for the game pad and console itself.
The non Deluxe SKU will probably go away the same time as the price drop.
Now that we've had a better look at software numbers, the situation is even uglier.
NSMBU is selling well. Aside from that, yeesh - ZombiU has sold over 100k. Every non-Nintendo game has sold worse, with many only in the 10k-20k range.
It turns out (as everyone that wasn't a Nintendo fanboy thought) that the number of people that wanted to play current gen games and hadn't bought a 360/PS3/decent PC was essentially zero, and that any WiiU sales were just stealing sales from existing systems (except they had to pay someone to port the game for the little to no gain).
Just to illustrate how bad it is: More people bought Boxed PC copies of AssCreed3 than Wii U copies. Where do you even find boxed PC games nowadays? Best Buy/Target? Does WalMart even carry them? Yet that sold better than the Wii U version did.
Or how about this one: More people bought boxed VITA copies of Madden 13 than for the Wii U. Vita beat out the Wii U. Let that soak in.
I can't even call this a Gamecube-like situation, since that was a basically equivalent piece of hardware to its competitors. If the Nextbox really has 6ish GBs of usable memory compared to the Wii U's 1ish GB (I assume Nintendo will eventually slim down the system software footprint and give that room to the devs... right?), forget it.
Again, I'm not saying the Wii U can't sell systems. But 90+% of the games for it will be from Nintendo only.
Fuck WiiU. I'll play the semi-decent games when an emulator is out in a year or two.
Someone knows if the WiiU will be able to handle more than one controller (the tablet one) ?
Because i haven't seen any on sell outside of the wiiU bundles.
I cannot see myself buying one. There's not a single killer app out and not a single big title officially announced for the system. The entire line up through the first half of the year is just uninspiring.
Again, to reiterate, Nintendo's E3 lineup should be awesome. The problems being:
1) They'll all be Nintendo made.
2) Who knows how many will make it out in 2013.
3) 720/PS4 launch titles could make them look like garbage (despite how well they play).
I probably will pick a Wii U up. I just won't do it until it is discounted to hell (again) in early 2014 or so.
I want to play Skyward Sword, but I've heard a ton of complaints about it and it sounds like it's not even close to being one of the best Zelda's that they've done. Metroid Other M was a complete fucking disaster and Prime 3 was pretty bad. That leaves what, Mario Galaxy and yet-another-iteration-of-Mario-Kart-and-Smash-Brothers being their last good games?
Nintendo is going to need to do a lot fucking more than just put out more sequels this time around to win people over, imo.
I'll repeat myself until it sinks in.. the US/Canada/EU need to learn about Monster Hunter. Every single game released is easily 100+ hours. I got 200 hours out of MH Tri on the Wii, and the MH Tri Ultimate is coming out for the Wii U with 3x the content. I'm one of those hopelessly optimistic Monster Hunter fans that hope Nintendo will have a limited MH/Wii U exclusive edition.. but I'm sure their heads are up their asses as usual. I've heard of many MH fans waiting to do the same thing, so there is still plenty of Wii U's to be bought come March.
Sure the game won't be for everyone, it is definitely not a kid friendly game.
Heres to hoping Nintendo/Capcom market the game really well so people stop complaining.
I played the Wii Monster Hunter game. It was a garbage asian grindfest.
As far as I am concerned, the latest great game developed by Nintendo is Rhythm Heaven in 2008 or possibly it's Wii sequel Rhythm Heaven: Fever.
I'm gonna say Super Mario Galaxy 2 in 2010, both it and Galaxy are 2 of the top 5 highest rated games on several sites.
I enjoyed Skyward Sword, too.
100% serious. And I do not play shitty Asian grindfest games. Monster Hunter is Korean-style mmo grindfest garbage, nothing like other Japanese games.
Skyward sword is good but its taught me that I hate motion controls and its probably the most tedious Zelda made.
It's also convinced me to wait and borrow a Wii U when the next Zelda comes as I did for skyward. My wii broke a couple years ago.
It's interesting that the Wii U wasn't even a blip on my 10 year old cousin's radar. He literally shrugged about getting one as a Christmas present and instead wanted a Skylanders and MS points.
Yeah, Skylanders is crazy, just passed $500m in sales.
blatently stolen from neogaf: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509417
going to try to find that monolith trailer on youtube, it has mechs in it...23:00 The presentation has begun. Iwata says that most NDs have been about the near-future. This time it'll be about future titles and services. So, how is Miiverse doing so far? Users are posting messages and experiencing the service. This presentation will convey the Miiverse experience to those who don't have the Wii U. Players can post messages asking for help, mark spoilers, and report violations. Players can talk about their experiences about specific games from start to finish. Players can attach screenshots to their posts. Some have drawn very detailed pictures.
23:06 Careful: the Miiverse can be a time-sink. Profiles with green checkmarks are official. Official users are authorized to post web links and videos, as is done with NSMBU.
23:09 Firmware updates in spring and summer. Speeding up launching software, menu return. Wii U Virtual Console with spring firmware update. NES and Super NES games. Save states, GamePad play, Miiverse integration. GBA coming. Upgrade from Wii VC versions: NES 100 yen ($1.00), SNES 150 yen ($1.50).
23:10 This year is the 30th anniversary of the Famicom. Wii U VC 30-day demos for 30 yen.
23:11 Demo titles: Balloon Fight, F.Emblem, Mother 2 (in Japan, Punch-Out!! ft. Mr. Dream elsewhere?), Kirby's Adventure, S. Metroid, Yoshi, DK.
23:13 Wii U VC demo titles to be made available following the presentation. Mother 2 Resurrection Festival celebrating 19th anniversary of Mother 2, VC title releasing in March (in Japan).
23:14 Enjoy Mother 2 through the Miiverse. Post Pikmin 3 screenshots on Miiverse.
23:15 Private user communities coming to Wii Fit U. Smartphone Miiverse browsing, app coming this spring.
23:18 Nintendo-developed titles coming up. Iwata apologizes for delays. Next titles needed more time. The Wonderful 101 trailer now.
23:20 Bayonetta 2 dev is progressing, more info later, but studio intro video now.
23:23 Iwata Asks starting with Platinum Games this year, about development history, philosophy. Smash Bros. new info? Sakurai will show screens at E3. Please wait!
23:24 Wii U 3D Mario under development by Galaxy team! Mario Kart Wii U! E3 playable demos!
23:25 Successor to Mario Party, Wii U Party intro video now.
23:26 Unannounced, but expected title: Yoshi game from Kirby team!
23:27 Atlus collaboration title trailer now. Shin Megami Tensei meets Fire Emblem.
23:28 Zelda Wii U news! Eiji Aonuma speaks. Development theme: rethinking Zelda standards.
23:31 Zelda Wii U screenshot: Windfall Island from Wind Waker remake in HD! Wind Waker HD remake and new Zelda title both under development. WW: graphic refresh, game tuning, off-screen play, Miiverse integration. Due by this fall.
23:33 Monolith Soft game trailer now. Monolith Soft game trailer ends with a big, red X. Online?!
Last edited by Lenardo; 01-23-2013 at 03:22 PM.
Looks like Xenoblade 2, or Xenoblade Online/MMO, or something. Maybe not a direct sequel - looks sort of like a fusion between Xenoblade and Monster Hunter.
Also Windwaker HD remake!
Last edited by Man0warr; 01-23-2013 at 03:42 PM.
Zero interest in Monolith making some Online nonsense that approximately 5 people in the world will bother to play. Only way I'd give that any sort of look is if there's a grand epic single player RPG in there as well.
Xenoblade was begging for co-op, this just looks like they've added it.
That's enough new information to make me a little excited about the Wii U. Not enough to bring me to purchase one though.
Again, E3 should be great. But there's a lot of doubt as to how many will make it out this year:
Zelda U: Still in the planning stages. Clearly the team is finishing some new 3DS Zelda title before they even begin working fulltime on this. I'm not even sure we should expect this in 2015.
Smash Bros: Won't even be playable at E3; a 2013 launch is extremely doubtful.
Bayo 2: Almost certainly not 2013.
Super Mario "U"niverse (I'm guessing): Tokyo 2 finished up Galaxy 2 in May 10 and 3D Land in Nov 11. Getting Universe out in 2013 looks doubtful, though it shouldn't be too late into 2014.
Xenoblade 2: Monolith put out Xenoblade in June 10, though they also worked on Capcom X Namco X Sega to some amount. Probably makes it out in Japan in 2013; I wouldn't bet on the US this year.
Kart: Software 1 put out Kart 7 in Dec 11 (and was rumored to have outsourced large chunks to Retro). There's a good chance this shows up in 2013.
Yoshi's Epic Yarn (Yarnshi?): HAL put out Epic Yarn in Oct 10. This has a very good shot of making it out in 2013.
Wind Waker Remake: Though this smells like a 3DS game reassigned to WiiU, Tokyo 1 did put out the Ocarina remake way back in June 11. They certainly are aiming for this year.
The big question is still Retro. Is this Nintendo's (western market leaning) E3 surprise, or did Kart 7 really delay them that much?
But in any case, at this point, your Christmas 13 big titles look to be Wii U Party (meh), Kart 8 (meh), Yoshi Yarn (could be nice, but not a system seller), Wind Waker (played it almost a decade ago!), and one of Pikmin / 101 will probably be delayed that far. Price cut and Universe around April of 14 looks better than ever.
wind waker is "fall" this year.
bayo2 is 2014
kart imo will be one of the big xmas for 2013
and i definately want to see what retro is on
and W101 just looks awesome.
oh next month rayman is coming out-definately getting that one
Last edited by Lenardo; 01-24-2013 at 02:32 PM.
That Xenoblade 2 trailer looked pretty sweet. Still wishing for a Xenogears sequel, though! lol
Pretty sure Square-Enix still owns Xenogears, and the relationship between them and Monolith is pretty bad. That X looks way more Xenogears though.
That face at the end is obviously supposed to be Shulk though, otherwise why show it.
It is thex in xenoblade too
Anyone else have issues with the tablet controller? We've got a used and abused iPad (in laws gave it to the kids) that's survived for years, yet 1 week into our Wii-u usage and the tablet is dead. It's got a little scratch in the corner of the screen, just enough for it to think that spot is constantly pressed ;\
Still waiting for a really good deal before I buy this. Under 300 for the deluxe edition is the price that comes to mind.
So apparently only 55k units sold in the US the first 5 weeks of the year, less than $15m in software sold for the same period.
That doesn't sound good. They've managed to generate nearly zero buzz about the system it seems. I think keeping the Wii name was a huge mistake and they don't seem to be doing enough advertising to remove the confusion of the average consumer. It's amazing to me that they did basically the same thing with the 3DS and the WiiU.
For some reason they are selling the 3DS though. I guess that you cannot confuse a new handheld with a peripheral for your older system.
The number we are seeing this morning is 57K. Which, to be clear, is terribad.
Now, I'm seeing a lot of "Panic mode Nintendo is best Nintendo! Wii U Ambassador Program inc!" posts on the internet today. But:
1) The Ambassador program already exists. It's the $0.30 trial program.
2) Panic mode Nintendo is the best Nintendo. But 57K isn't panic mode - it's desperation flop sweat mode. That's "Everything needs to come out this Christmas, whether its ready or not!" That's "Who cares about the non-critical bugs, we'll patch it later." That's "Cut out the third of the game that isn't ready, and we'll sell it as DLC later" desperation mode. That isn't what you want.
I'm sure the Wii U's fortunes will improve when games come out. Let's just hope that the games are still quality when they come out.
P.S. Again, the Wii U's biggest problem is... that it came out too close to the 3DS. Nintendo's strength, and now their weakness, is that they largely have the same teams working on console and handheld games. Except those teams were busy with 3DS games until late 2011, and now people are confused when E3 2012/Holiday 2012/possibly even Holiday 2013 are barren. Games take time, and Nintendo had too many teams working on 3DS games long past the point where they should have switched to Wii U development.
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Don't see what the big deal is. There aren't a lot of good games out to sell the system - just like when the 3DS came out.
When Monster Hunter 3, Wind Waker remake, and the other stuff they announced in the last Nintendo Direct release, it will start selling again. Not to mention Mario Kart, Brawl, new Metroid, Zelda, new Monolith Xenoblade game, etc etc. Nintendo isn't going to stop production on the Wii U or go bankrupt, they have tons of cash built up and aren't in danger like Sony's game branch.
Same shit happened with every console ever - my PS3 I bought at launch was pretty much turned off for an entire 6 months after buying it - it had terrible launch lineup.
Last edited by Man0warr; 02-15-2013 at 08:38 PM.
Nintendo is fucked. Mobile devices are cutting into their handheld market and the next gen systems will attract the attention of most hardcore gamers. The casual gamers that made the Wii a success have already moved on - they're playing games on their phones and their tablets instead.
Iwata needs to be fired and Nintendo needs to change their strategy ASAP.
You're crazy. Until mobile phones have tactile controls they will never replace true hand helds. The 3DS is selling better than the DS was at this stage of it's life.
Phones are fine for playing Farmville and Bejewelled type games, but that's about it. I play the shit out of Puzzles and Dragons during down time but I can't ever see myself playing an RPG or anything more complicated with a touchscreen.
I knew sales numbers would have be pretty bad considering I could walk in a store on xmas eve and buy one. I would love to play the new Mario game, but I am not spending $350 to do it. For me its wait till a price drop on Wii U or more must play games come out.
So, let's explain why Nintendo is fucked.
1 - Their share price has dropped to Gamecube era prices - http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?...rce=undefined;.
2 - The 3ds is selling poorly. Nintendo predicted to sell 17.5 million 3ds units this financial year. They had to reduce that estimate to 15 million because of poor sales over Xmas, and it looks like they're going to miss that estimate, too.
The 3ds also performed incredibly poorly in the US this January. Last year, it sold 170k units. This year, it sold approximately 150k~ units. That's a massive drop. To make matters worse, January 2012 was a 4 week month while January 2013 was a 5 week month, which makes the sales figures look better than they are. Accounting for the 5 week month, we're looking at a 30%~ish drop in sales in 2013 compared to 2012.
The only place the 3ds is selling well is Japan. And maybe France.
3 - Consumers don't care about the Wii U. Nintendo originally predicted selling 5.5 million Wii Us this FY - they revised that estimate to 4 million, and they're likely to miss that figure, too. It's overpriced, underpowered, lacking games, and the tablet gimmick hasn't gone over well at all. We already have so many touch devices in our life - why would we care about the Wii U tablet? Unlike their previous consoles, Nintendo is selling the Wii U at a loss, too, which isn't helping things. It also gives them little room to maneuver on price.
What's interesting is that the Wii U drought was, in fact, planned out by Nintendo in advance. Quoting Iwata -
They were delusional if they thought ports of old ps3/360 games would be fine for launch. Supposedly the Wii U has a software tie ratio of 2.0 - 2.1.. Absolutely terrible.Nintendo tends to release too many titles at the launch of a hardware system and as a result suffers a drop in new games for quite some time after launch, and for the Wii U launch, we are being very careful not to let it happen. Fortunately, third-party publishers overseas are launching many titles for us this time, and we were able to push back the release of some of the titles that we had originally intended to release as launch titles until next year.
Nintendo is a victim of poor management and poor planning. Iwata and the rest of Nintendo upper management are clearly out of touch with the current state of the market market and the current consumer. The 3ds is trending downwards year on year and the Wii U has gotten off to a disastrously poor start. They need to make big changes ASAP if they want to get out of this mess.
I want to know what Nintendo did with their ds/Wii profits. Why didn't they invest some of their profits into making tons of new games for the Wii U/3ds launches?P.S. Again, the Wii U's biggest problem is... that it came out too close to the 3DS. Nintendo's strength, and now their weakness, is that they largely have the same teams working on console and handheld games. Except those teams were busy with 3DS games until late 2011, and now people are confused when E3 2012/Holiday 2012/possibly even Holiday 2013 are barren. Games take time, and Nintendo had too many teams working on 3DS games long past the point where they should have switched to Wii U development.
I do wonder if anyone else is feeling Nintendo 'fatigue', too. Their games are well designed, the controls are tight and they're fun to play. But fuck, I'm so sick of exploring Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom. The 'NSMB' aesthetic feels so tired already, despite it being a relatively new 'franchise'. I wish Nintendo would start working on some new IPs.
Last edited by Cor; 02-16-2013 at 10:16 AM.
Not that it will show up in the sales numbers, but this month and next month is the time people will be buying the Wii U and possibly even the 3DS for Monster Hunter. Which is releasing in EU also. They even have a bundle in EU for both systems so that might help with sales.
Almost seems like Nintendo is sabotaging themselves, but in the end most companies are making money in different ways. Offering online services such as premium, games, and apps. Selling consoles isn't the only thing they do.
Either way, heres to hoping the MH community can bump those sales numbers up.
Last edited by DeLLy; 02-16-2013 at 02:25 PM.
To those suggesting other home consoles have had months like this, most haven't. This kind of figure is only comparable to the Dreamcast and Virtual Boy sales (Vita too, which only sold ~30k units over this same 5 week period, but that's not a home console either). One article I read said US sales of the PS3 bottomed out at around 87k during it's early struggles.
The biggest problem here is this is the only 'next gen' system on the market, they have this window to boast that and gain market share, instead they've squandered it and software support is already shrinking considerably. Tiger Woods was one of if not the best sports game on the original Wii and already has been confirmed to not be coming to Wii U. EA may not put any sports titles at all out on the system this year, and without significant changes I don't see why they'd resume next 'season'.
As of Wednesday next week more and more consumers are going to be looking to the future, not the WiiU.
The WiiU is not the first of the next gen, it's the last of the current gen.
Nintendo hasn't been following the "generation" thing for a long time. They realize there is no reason to jump into the battle between Sony and MS over hardware superiority, they said so themselves. Of course they would love more 3rd party support but they will always have their first party games that the other systems can't really boast. Especially with Final Fantasy now in the crapper.
Their on a different track with different type of customer base, they haven't been competing with the other 2 companies for a while.
When it's all said and done, they have been the only one of the three to actually make money off their systems in the last 6-7 years.
I personally have all the consoles for different reasons (exclusives mostly), I don't see why there is always a big dust up about Nintendo. Of the 3 companies, they have done nothing to earn customer's ire - great customer service, replace hardware (that almost never fails) with no questions asked, and haven't bastardized the series that people love from their childhoods like Sony has. I've had 3 xbox360's RROD and 1 YLOD from a PS3, meanwhile my original gameboy, NES, and SNES still work the last time I tried them.
Last edited by Man0warr; 02-17-2013 at 02:25 AM.
Oh that's a load of horse shit and you know it. The X360/PS3 eventually become profitable on hardware sales and MS/Sony were making tons of money the whole time off LICENSING, far more than Nintendo since Nintendo didn't actually fucking sell *any* Wii games.
They didn't have a different type of customer base, they didn't have ANY customer base. People bought Wii Fit and Mario Kart, not much else. No one sold shit for games on that system. Nintendo didn't even sell many of their own big games on it, the last Zelda completely tanked and none of their titles had notable sales figures aside from Mario Kart. The Wii has one of the worst game attach rates in the history of gaming, if not the worst. Though the Wii U is looking to fail even harder than it did.
Nintendo got lucky with Wii hardware sales, they're not going to repeat that with the Wii U. The hardcore Nintendo fans have all bought it and they have no ability to sell it to the same casual audience that bought the Wii.
They may make money off their consoles now after price cuts and hardware cost lowering but MS Gaming division is so far in the red from R&D even now, and PS3 was sold at a loss for about 3/4th of it's lifespan.
Not sure how you can say they have no customer base after selling 99 mil consoles (all at profit). They may not be the CoD or Halo playing hardcore bunch who buy every Madden, but they still exist.
I hardly play console games (maybe 3-5 a year across all 3 consoles) and I still have a bunch of Wii games, some with over 100 hours played each with friends (Smash Bros, Kart). Both Zeldas, Metroid Prime 3, Monster Hunter Tri, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Muramasa, Xenoblade, The Last Story.
For me, Xenoblade was the best game of the entire generation (all consoles) and Galaxy is damn close 2nd.
So yeah, not sure how they failed last "generation".
I played and enjoyed all 3 consoles, I don't see why there is so much more hate for Nintendo. I don't understand why haters expected them to release a $600 console that could do next gen graphics and compete with 2 already entrenched companies doing the same thing. Just let Nintendo do their own thing, no one is forcing you to buy their console.
Do people just want them to fail finally so that they go the way of SEGA and just make games for the other 2 consoles? I don't think that will ever happen.
PC/Steam is the best, regardless. The only reason I have Nintendo consoles is for those titles I know will never come to PC, unlike 95% of the stuff that come out on PS3/360. The best games I've played on those consoles in the last 5 years were Vesperia and Ni No Kuni.
Last edited by Man0warr; 02-17-2013 at 02:44 AM.
Dude, if those customers don't actually fucking buy video games, which they did *not*, then they do not have a customer base. Jesus. Nintendo's software sales numbers are absolutely pathetic. Get your head out of the sand and Nintendo's balls out of your mouth.
Software is far more telling of a console's success than pure Hardware numbers. Nintendo's Wii numbers mean absolutely nothing since they had no software sales to back them up what so ever. That's called failing.
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