Didn't see a thread and this shit is real.
Aside from the obvious, I'm very interested in see the world's reaction, especially the BRICS.
Who really gives a shit? What a dumbass, threw the rest of his life away to "save" the babbling bunch of baboons known as the general public. Oh no, the government knows who I text messaged and that I look at rerolled. Fascism!
right to privacy is overrated anyway. they should ban window shades too.
Senator Paul has stated that he will file a class action law suit against the Black Prince and wants 10 million real Americans to sign on.
Keep an eye out, we need to limit the damage done before the time is right to give these snakes the fire and blood that they deserve.
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Privacy was handed over long ago to the advertisers and telecomms. The government is actually getting FISA orders to request the databases they need? That tells you two things... the government isn't already collecting it, but the companies already have all of it and then some.
so if your privacy was taken before its ok to have it continue to be taken and this is no big deal?
The privatards think this whole thing is just a silly voyeur move by Uncle Sugar when the real action is the monitoring of citizens from foreign countries.
Bradley Manning's file dump is clown shoes compared to this. This is all go no quit big nuts Harry Stamper government sponsored internal/external espionage. If congress/senate & POTUS don't contain this shit fast, we could see the dissolution/breakup of all of our major tech companies and then some.
"Honey, I think our XBone is watching us fuck."
It's kind of like a dare almost, try to live without cellphones and email you wretched masses, because nothing is going to change.
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I don't think there is any physical person that listens to anything they just store it and when their hearts desire they can look at all the meta data and some internet data like pictures emails video any kind of file you transfer they can look at it, and just having this device that stores everything and most likely if not now eventually the phone calls too, it all just sits there as a massive information database for whatever they deem it's purpose.
President Barack Obama’s chief defense of his administration’s wide-ranging data-gathering programs Friday: Congress authorized them, with “every member” well aware of the details.
Not so, say many members of Congress — Democrats and Republicans alike.
Typically, members of Congress “don’t receive this kind of briefing,” Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told POLITICO Friday. They wouldn’t have known about the programs unless they were on an intelligence committee, attended special sessions last held in 2011 or specifically asked to be briefed – something they would only know to do if they were clued in by an colleague who was already aware.
Durbin said he learned about the two programs himself only after requesting a briefing under “classified circumstances” after being urged to do so by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).
Congressional leadership and intelligence committees had access to information about the programs, he said — but the “average member” of Congress likely wouldn’t have been aware of the breadth of the telephone and Internet surveillance.
BBC News - Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source
Hmmm, this won't end good for the guyA former CIA technical worker has been identified by the UK's Guardian newspaper as the source of leaks about US surveillance programmes.
Edward Snowden, 29, is described by the paper as an ex-CIA technical assistant, currently employed by defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton.
The Guardian said his identity was being revealed at his own request.
The recent revelations are that US agencies gathered millions of phone records and monitored internet data.
A spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said the matter had now been referred to the Department of Justice as a criminal matter.
The Guardian quotes Mr Snowden as saying he flew to Hong Kong on 20 May, where he holed himself up in a hotel.
He told the paper that the extent of US surveillance was "horrifying", adding: "We can plant bugs in machines. Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place."
He added: "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things… I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded."
Mr Snowden said he did not believe he had committed a crime: "We have seen enough criminality on the part of government. It is hypocritical to make this allegation against me."
Asked what he thought would happen to him, he replied: "Nothing good."
Mr Snowden said he accepted he could end up in jail. "If they want to get you, over time they will," he said.
He said he also feared the US authorities would "act aggressively against anyone who has known me. That keeps me up at night".
couldn't possibly care any less. is the point of this thread that some of you are actually offended?
pro-tip: don't be a terrorist in america.
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Members of Congress who pass the required background investigations (lets presume for the moment they all pass) all have access to the background material for the laws that they passed.
Senator Paul and any others acting in shock and outrage are either lying or are incompetent...quite possibly the latter sad to say.
You see the material cannot reside in these doofuses office, they actually have to go to a secure facility in order to view the material. In their case the facility IS IN THE SAME BUILDING, but they have to go slightly out of their way to go look at it.
Now you would like to hope that prior to voting on a bill that addresses classified material and intelligence that they would take the time to go and access this stuff in order to learn what it is they are voting on. However they never actually read any material, they rely upon their 'staffers' to read and tell them what their opinions are and to pull relevant sound-byte worthy quotes out so they can make impassioned speeches that hopefully get picked up by the media.
But the staffers cannot access the material and furthermore the deliberations on the issue of classified material cannot be reported in the media so....
Politicians are good at only one thing : getting elected. It is very rare that you will find one that is capable also of governing.
I dont know whats scarier, the data collection or that most of you thought this wasn't happening already for the last 20 years
In light of the recent revelations regarding the NSA’s program designed to keep Americans safe, I write this to implore all of you to contact your representatives in Washington to close the huge and looming gap in information gathering. Given the reprehensible leaking of information regarding the NSA's data gathering efforts, electronic communication will now be eyed suspiciously by terrorists, who will be looking for alternative methods of communication.
This gap has been identified, and a win-win solution is within our grasps.
As all Americans know, phone records, electronic communications, and financial transactions are all filtered through the NSA, who is ready to jump on possibility of domestic terrorism. Armed drones stand ready for deployment in urban areas, ready to mete out justice to domestic terrorists without lengthy and costly due process. The Free Press is given special scrutiny as well, as again our safety depends on their silence. With all these measures in place, is it any wonder that the need for increased border security is nonexistent? The true threat comes from those already in the United States. The last real barrier in protecting America is, ironically enough, the United States Postal Service
Please urge your representative to consider a bill that would allow the USPS to open all correspondence and photograph or otherwise record the contents of mail being processed by the USPS. I understand that the USPS already does photograph the front and back of all correspondence, but the meta-data that is available from the actual content would prove invaluable to the efforts of the NSA in its information gathering. Not only would recipient and return addresses and dates of sending be available, but meta-data that could, in the future, stop a terrorist attack. I feel we have an obligation as Americans to protect our children. As this would be no different than the scanning of e-mails and other electronic communications, I again reiterate my fear that more traditional methods of communication need to be closely monitored.
Meta-data that is easily available with electronic communications could easily be collected and sorted. Among these meta-data total word count, specific word counts, and placement of words within the correspondences, painting a more complete picture for NSA analysts. Given Homeland Security’s warning regarding right-wing extremist groups, not only traditionally targeted phrases such as “bomb” and “al-Qaeda” could be collected from meta-data of USPS correspondence, but also phrases such as “Tea Party”, “9/12”, “patriot”. As this is all meta-data, there would be no privacy issues that needed to be overcome.
Is it possible that with such information gathering available, the attack of an Embassy in Benghazi (even though this was a foreign incident, and as such outside of the NSAs jurisdiction) and the bombing of the Boston Marathon, may have been prevented even sooner than with the NSA’s electronic, phone, and credit card data gathering alone?
The win-win in this situation is that customers of the USPS would have their mail sent to them digitally via e-mail. Letters containing poison or chemical agents would no longer reach our elected representatives, as these nefarious packages would make it no further than USPS facilities. This program would obviously be well supported among younger demographics who prefer electronic communication to “snail mail”, and whom generally allow mail to collect in their physical mail-boxes for days if not weeks. This delay in information gathering could prove disastrous from a National Security standpoint. Not only would this increase the efficiency of the USPS to deliver mail, but would also save the costs of delivery of those mail items. The savings from such a program could then be directed toward the always successful policy of arming rebels, who, upon overthrowing dictatorial regimes, become beacons of democracy and capitalism around the world.
I sincerely look forward to not hearing about the healthy, classified debate regarding this program, and fully support all our government’s efforts to keep Americans safe.
Another Bradley Manning - Collapsing in his own delusions of grandeur.
If that kid were as smart as he thinks he is, he would have sold all of that info to the Chinese and made a fortune. What a fucking idiot.
Pasted from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shor...rism-logo-mean
The Prism logo is slightly more opaque than the one used by the US government's Information Awareness Office, which boasted an all-seeing eye atop a pyramid, casting a golden light across an adjacent planet Earth. They might just as well have used the motto "We Spy on Absolutely Everybody". It's more than a little disturbing to think that someone of influence within the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency once looked at a rough sketch of that and said: "Yeah, cool."
The eye-on-the-pyramid scheme came from the Great Seal of the United States – it's on the back of the dollar bill – and is still beloved of conspiracy theorists all over the world. It's meant to be the all-seeing eye of God, but it's also commonly associated with freemasonry, the occult and a shadowy New World order presided over by the Illuminati. To deploy it in a logo for a creepy-sounding spy agency simply justifies the paranoia of people who think the world is run by lizard-shaped aliens. David Icke's next podcast will write itself.
I got a kick outta that...
If they're watching me poop perhaps they can tell me if I can improve upon my wiping habits? Surely I could be doing it a bit more efficient.
I mean how many swipes is consider enough with a single wad?
How many pieces of toilet paper should be used in a wad to employ optimum fecal residue recovery (OFRR henceforth) whilst minimizing transference through said wad?
What are the net savings of minimizing my wad vs. going free-form?
Is OFRR dependent upon previous meals?
Come on NSA get your shit together.. and help with mine.
I also feel like there should be butt-wiping lessons available on the internet.
I remember way back when I did my CNA there actually were buttwiping lessons. That was a fun couple of hours and I learned a lot. But I feel to keep this information gated is a disservice to the community.
if you're without wet wipes, just spit on a couple folded sheets of TP and have at it.
you're welcome, that's an original life hack.
Didn't Obama rail against this back in 2008?
For one thing, under an Obama presidency, Americans will be able to leave behind the era of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and "wiretaps without warrants," he said. (He was referring to the lingering legal fallout over reports that the National Security Agency scooped up Americans' phone and Internet activities without court orders, ostensibly to monitor terrorist plots, in the years after the September 11 attacks.)
Bros, everyone knows the best thing to do is to train your body to poop 15 minutes after waking in the morning. So by the time you're done having your coffee, eggs or whatever you've got a nice movement on the way. Get that done with, and go straight in the shower. No matter how messy the poop, you're clean as a whistle.
PS: don't ever, EVER, use the "face cloth" in my shower on your face.
Later in the interview, [Snowden] explains why the people who say "I don't care, because I've got nothing to hide" are complete and total idiots:
"Because even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. And the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently by orders of magnitude to where it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call. And then they can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made. Every friend you've ever discussed something with. And attack you on that basis, to derive suspicion from an innocent life, and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer."
people who keep bringing up the xbone's camera watching them all the time. is there some reason they cant just put a piece of gaffer's tape over the lens thus thwarting the gubment ?
Sure. I'm sure you also wouldn't mind if we kept your smart phone camera on all the time. We promise we'll never look at what you're doing. If you're uncomfortable with it, just cover it with some tape.
"Oh yea honey, this is the new Xbox. Yeah, it pretty much spies on the family and gathers information about us, but I can cover the lens with some tape, so its okay now, right?. I mean, the Xbox wouldnt work if it was unplugged, but I just cant do without my games, so Ill purchase this system with its device and let the government and other corporations know they can invade my privacy as long as I can play Call of Duty 17"
I mean, fuck, man.
If every oaf around you is feeding a system, your individual personal abstinence is a drop in the ocean in comparison.
Ok? What are you trying to say?
That resistance is futile and there's no point in expressing your distaste for something because everyone else thinks its peachy? So every idiot thinks XYZ is okay/doesnt care means that they are correct because thats the majority? Ah of course, because the majority has never been wrong about anything.
Hey guys, everyone else seems to be okay with Microsoft watching you, so you should too. Just cover it with some tape bro whats the big deal? New CoD didntyahear?
I can't believe people are surprised by this...
This has been a open secret for years...The fake outrage over this is laughable and driven by people who fail to grasp technology and refuse to accept the world we live in.
Hey please PM me with your address/phone number, Id like to come install a few cameras in your house. No big deal. Its not like I'm some big company with billions of dollars in resources, or a government with a military, so you can trust me more than those guys. I'm legit.
The government has been collecting all your data since your first awkward AOL IM cybersex session as a teenager in 1995.
It's not like I didn't think they (NSA, govt) were doing it, it's the scope; they went full retard on the reach of PRISM and only time will tell if they get checked from other countries or ours (laff) about it.
We're talking about data that already exist...All this does is provide a legal mechanism to monitor and leverage it for public safety (data that was previously not controlled, or regulated).
As for your fear that the government is spying on us...Big Brother is generally a fucking retard. Have you seen how fucking worthless congress is? There is no know abuse of this power without laws regarding it. Your basic objection is to the law and mechanism...Which makes you a moron.
Until you can show me a real substantial alternate to this system...I'll support it. The data is there and we need a coherent way to manage and leverage it.
But keep fear mongering and making nonsense arguments about putting cameras in my house...It is a shitty analogy and specious reasoning.
Only a matter of time until a drone drops a present on your neighbor for making a long distance call to family in Iraq after they ask if theres been any dangerous terrorist activity lately.
Verizon can't throw me in jail over suspicion of something. Yes Google has your metadata, but google just wants me to know that based on my internet habits there are lifedolls available with new kung fu grip. The government wants to let me know if I do not vote in the prescribed way they will let my last 50 contacts know about my new purchases. Or just throw me in jail because of my Sarah Palin doll with the Kung fu grip.
Small difference really. Either way I will get fucked.
You sure trust the government with your info a lot more than I do.
free market will solve this.
just move to companies that respects your personal information.
everything is good.
I am actually very surprised at the amount of people defending this.
When the patroit act was signed into law, many on FoH were screaming about how LIBRARY BOOK RECORDS would be reviewed by the government and how much of a horrible thing this was. I defended that, saying that it wasn't a big deal. I still don't think questioning someone who checks out 50 books on how to build bombs, or other such things is a bad thing. But as this has gone on and on, it's gotten worse and worse to where I can sit back and say "This is wrong, it's gone too far". Yet, those same people who were herp derping about library book records are (mostly) quite content with whats going on today, even though what's going on today is far, far, far, far more invasive than anything back then.
It's disgusting. Privacy is gone, and at this point it's up to the citizens to either stand up against it, or be complicit. Even Republicans and Democrats alike are in lock step with this one in Washington, and what is all this for anyway? The war on terror which Obama himself has already said is over. Or is it to prevent terrorism on our own soil, which has killed what... 3,000 people or so in the last 15 years? Sure it's tragic but 3,000 people over 15 years, and this is what we feel we need to do?
It's a critical turning point in our civilization. It really is. I sure hope people will stand up, we won't get that chance much longer.
I'm with Aladain. This shit is out of hand.
If the porn isn't high res you can't get horny, but you can hate a guy at 1000 paces without a scope. That's human nature.
Doesnt buying a prepaid cell phone with cash completely fuck up their system of data tracking? Or is it feasible to try and find single person's conversations out of that sea of data with voice-recognition software?
If the government were forthcoming and clear about how the data is collected, how it is used, as well as about the systems in place to curb abuse and provide oversight, this may be a completely different story. The fact is the government doesn't want you to know anything about their data collections. That's a huge difference.
When I go to download the new iTunes, the EULA isn't grayed out with a big [CLASSIFIED] watermark over it. If it were, I could chose not to participate.
We warned you that you couldn't put this genie back in the bottle once you let it out but you all didn't give a fuck and went full retard with the Patriot Act. Well guess what, now were all good and fucked. Congratulations!
They're nothing if not thorough.Now federal legislation is being proposed in the Senate that would bring an end to the anonymity of prepaid phones, which are used by people in New York City with all kinds of reasons for not wanting to be linked to a phone number.
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Also, there are many laws that can be abused. The Patroit act is no different. But you even have the original author of the act saying "What the fuck is going on here?" should be a sure-fire signal that the line has been crossed, and I don't think its as simple as pointing to that single act as the reason.
Based on previous post history it's an established fact that David Simon is smarter than the majority of people posting in this thread combined. I'll go with his opinion that as long as oversight is in place then it's just part and parcel of the technology that we have these days.
And as he's noting if you're whole family gets blown away by a dune coon and you find out after the fact that it could have been prevented if these programs would have been in place you would still be against said programs? Maybe you're the 1% that would still be against them but the majority of Americans would be fucking outraged.
yeah. And Goldman Sachs would never intentionally sell bad investments to their own clients. That would undermine their reputation and be contrary to their self interest. Even if they did for some unknowable reason do such a thing then Congress would bust their balls so hard no one would think about committing that sort of fraud for the next 20 years. Oh wait.
I mean it's a nice theory about accountability and ethics and all.
Has anyone in the government ever claimed that they can prevent all terrorist actions by these programs? Just the same as your local PD takes what they learn from past crimes and applies it to prevent future ones where possible I'm assuming this is the same. If anything you should be outraged that there are no protections for us posting here but then again considering the popularity of Facebook, Instagram and the like I doubt the majority of people really even care.
Isn't it kinda sad that US citizens are up in arms about defending the 2nd amandment (yeah pun inteded) but are perfectly fine when the 4th is slowly flushed in the shitter as long as its sold as war on terror and all are able to play call of duty 451?! Oh brave new world we live in!
And yes, I expect the government to SERVE ME and all other citizens.
And the whole "if one person's life could be saved" BS is just retarded. People who spout it are in fact retarded. If we should be giving up our rights and civil liberties for safety, then I expect you to support all alcohol and tobacco sales be banned, McDonalds might as well just shut their doors down now, and start biking to work, because no more automobiles, you'll get guns being banned so only criminals have/make them, and knives...well, knives are deadly. Video games have been proven to incite violence, so no more of that either. It's what needs to be done in today's age, according to you. At what point short of being locked in a cell for your own, and your family's, good do you say hold on a sec, you've gone to far!?
Again, let me reiterate...I want to know what they're doing and how. I don't think this should be secret. I want a say in what my government does. I know it's a shocking proposition for those who blindly follow great marketing campaigns.
"If a life can be saved" is bullshit, because I might not feel that giving up my rights is worth it. I believe this country has a grand tradition of dying for their, and other peoples' rights.
Sure, I could go out and start protesting or whatever. Or even something more violent. But I'm just one guy, and I'm certainly not going to inspire other people to join the cause. So now I'm labelled a domestic terrorist...go me? What the fuck is the point?
I'm not saying it's not true it is true but the assumption is always restrict freedom to fix the problem.
Terrorism is the #1 threat to humanity and civilization, a near infinite social value must be placed on the prevention terrorism.
– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack
— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane
— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack
— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack
– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack
–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack
–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist
–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack
– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack
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