Is Tenn. still without a coach?
What did I tell you, Sonny ****'s went to Cal-Berkley. Tennessee is fucking up.
LaTech coach name filtered by CNNSI on the announcement, very lulzy
Strong staying with Louisville $.$
Such bullshit Bailey didnt win the Belitnekoff.
Lee had 14.91 more yards per game, and Bailey had almost 1 entire td more per game. But he fucking played for USC and we know how that goes.
Lol, looks like Tennessee is back after Gundy for more $$. Never seen a more poorly conducted coaching search in my life.
When it's all said and done, OSU is the true national champ!
Butch Jones to the Vols, who replaces him Tea?
Meh, Butch is okay I guess.
Certainly one hell of a lot better than Dooley.
Now can we please stop switching fucking websites? I don't care how many more manginas we find.
ND is gonna is gonna see what ROLL TIDE is all about. I still think it's hilarious they're even in the BCS championship when clearly it should have been Oregon or Stanford playing Bama.
I mean we could have hired someone like Malzahn easily. We talked to Bielema but he wouldn't wait and our stupid AD thought he was going to get Gundy. Look at the rest of the league and everyone other than Spurrier and Saban was similar to this hire. They were either high profile coordinators or standouts at a smaller school. Go look at Les Miles' record at OSU. By all accounts we chose Butch over Kirby Smart who would have had as good a profile as any current SEC coach who went straight from a coordinator position.
Maybe I misread it but I saw 6 years - $18 million. Steve Spurrier and Les Miles (before his raise last week) total package was right at $3.5 million per year.
He got offered 2.8 by Colorado. We offered Strong 4.25.
WTF is going on that people are turning down money that would put them in the top 5 of pay?
Athletic department revenues for all schools from last year. The top has no suprises but further down there are. I like where they put the number of wins in the season as well
Not to mention Stanford hadn't yet changed QB's at that point, and the difference between the Kevin Hogan and the guy they had starting up until him (Nunes) was night and day. Nunes was really pretty bad (aside from one or two really good games like the Arizona one), and for the most part they were winning his starts by way of their surprisingly great defense. When they replaced Nunes with Hogan, they became a complete team. One could easily envision Stanford winning that ND game in regulation with the QB change. Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda. ND "won" the game.
Last edited by Pharazon; 12-07-2012 at 06:00 PM.
Butch's big strength is getting everybody together on the same page and those guys playing their hearts out. He'll get the most those guys have to give, and that in and of itself makes him a pretty good coach.
Last edited by Tea; 12-07-2012 at 06:14 PM.
Ah, well I was just going by the recruiting rankings and what the Ohio media guys on local radio are saying today. They seem to think he was a pretty good recruiter who had good connections in Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Memphis, and Louisiana.
I'm not thrilled but I'll get behind the guy. I don't think anyone understands just how much the Dooley era pained me. I am ready to move on and forget it ever happened.
He definitely has a large recruiting base that he draws from, but he hasn't really turned that into talent on the field. Mostly the guys he's pulling out of the south are wonky 2 star "athletes" that other programs don't have a good fit for. Like Muchie Legaux was recruited by LSU as a WR, but Butch told him he could play QB at UC. As his benching this year demonstrates there was a reason for that. Of course there is a world of difference between recruiting at Cincy and Tennessee, so he may transition well. He's generally pretty well liked by the media and the players.
Yeah, they deserve to have a chance to lose to Alabama.
SEC doesn't want to lose any more MNCs by beating itself. Let ND be the fodder.
Because you are both Texas fans. At least you kind of balance it out by being a Texan fan.
Reuben Foster decommits from Auburn and Bobo has his name in the hat for some head coaching jobs. Good Day for the Dawgs
Bout what I expected. Some day Gilg will let reality sink in and admit we were all right.
Err, how so? This hire is roughly a billion percent better than Derek Dooley. Dooley was 16/20, had never coordinated, and never won a damn thing in the WAC. Jones has won four championships in six seasons as a head coach. We got turned down by Gruden, Gundy, Strong, and then Fedora wouldn't leave after one year. Does it sting Charlie Strong ended up staying at Louisville? Sure, but how is it some indictment that we couldn't steal Mike Gundy from his alma mater or Jon Gruden?
I wanted Fedora but I respect a guy not willing to leave after one year.
Last edited by Gilgamel; 12-07-2012 at 10:25 PM.
Sonny Dykes would have been a better hire than Butch Jones IMO
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Unlikely it can be worse than the existing situation.
You were saying UT was on par to get guys like Gruden etc which was laughable. Tennessee is about on par with UofL and Oklahoma State and this hire just proves it.
And really? Big east CO champions in a conference with 8 teams really means nothing. Shit like half the fucking BE was co champs this year. Either you are in the BCS or you failed in that league.
Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh more dude. Watching you try to rationalize this is good shit though!
Gruden isn't coaching anything but the NFL.
Are you retarded? We got turned down by coaches already AT U of L and Oklahoma State. How many places would Gundy leave OSU for, if any? Strong waited forever to get a gig and he showed loyalty. It sucks but whatever. Let's see if he takes any other job in the next couple of years.
Strong, our third choice, would have been fine but a guy with a better record from the same conference isn't? The only difference is Strong has deep recruiting ties and Jones doesn't, but Jones has recruited better than Strong in the Big East and neither Saban or Meyer had ever recruited in this league before.
Bama's recent hires other than Saban: Franchione(off one good year at TCU), Mike Shula(QB coach NFL), and Mike Dubose(defensive line coach).
Florida: Meyer(Utah, one BCS season, one 10-2 season and Bowling Green 2 years), Zook(Defensive Coordinator - Saints), Muschamp (DC - Texas)
Georgia: Ray Goff(RB coach), Jim Donnan(Marshall, when they were D1-AA), Richt(OC FSU)
Auburn: Terry Bowden(Head Coach, Samford), Tuberville(25-20 at Ole Miss), Chizik(5-19 at Iowa State), and now Malzahn(1 good year as a Sun Belt coach)
LSU: Mike Archer? Gerry Dinardo? Curley Hallman? Les Miles, who had a mediocre record at OSU?
How many of those coaches have better resumes at the time of their hire than Jones? Meyer and who? Just because he's not a national name it's a bad hire? Neither was Charlie Strong or Fedora. Why is Kirby Smart a better hire than Jones, who we picked over him?
We could have hired Butch Davis(who is begging for any job) and it would have been a better name but he has NCAA concerns.
People are acting like this was some terrible hire mainly because we went after two guys we had very little chance of getting(Gruden, Gundy) and Strong left us at the altar.
Last edited by Gilgamel; 12-07-2012 at 11:39 PM.
I don't think it's a terrible hire. I think he's getting overpaid at the start of his contract and that contract is pretty long.
When we fired Hallman his buyout was $98k lol.
Has anyone brought up the fact yet that there is a very good chance that Butch Jones has just been riding on the coat tails of Brian Kelly?
Central Michigan Head Coach:
Brian Kelly - 2004-2006
Butch Jones 2007-2009
Cincinnati Head Coach:
Brian Kelly - 2007-2009
Buth Jones - 2010-2012
Butch Jones has yet to be a head coach without having Brian Kelly recruits making up a significant percentage of his roster every year he was at those schools.
Heisman voting graphed as the season progressed
Klein or Te'o should win, but I think Johnny Football will
Klein is probably the MVP in college football this year. K-State is a 6-6 team without him, and they got within 1 game of playing for the national title.
On the flip side, A&M is probably also a 6-6 team without Manziel, but they weren't close to playing for the national title at any point.
Te'o is a good linebacker playing on a great defense, with a ridiculous amount of media hype added in because it's Notre Dame. There are multiple LBs every year that put up better stats than Te'o has this year. Him even being at the ceremony is a joke.
Last edited by Tea; 12-08-2012 at 02:11 AM.
Kelly was at each school long enough to where Butch Jones' 3 years at each school had Brian Kelley-recruited senior classes each of those 3 years. Jones was never at any of those schools long enough to have a full roster, or even a senior class, of his own recruits.
Again though, the Kelly recruits aren't why he was successful. Cincy started a huge number of underclassmen this year.
Te'o has seven INTs and is the clear motivational force on that team. If he won it I wouldn't cry.
Klein winning would be a complete joke. I'm sorry but they got blown out by Baylor and his numbers aren't remotely Heisman-worthy. No one wins with those numbers unless they are at OSU or something.
One more comment on Butch and we'll just wait and let it play out. I am not saying the guy is the best coach ever or that whiffing on who we whiffed on wasn't embarrassing. I'm just saying he isn't a huge reach(Dooley was) and I think he'll be a major improvement almost right away.
Tea, can you give me any info on his staff? He got a guaranteed 3M per year for assistants but it looks like he's bringing a ton of his guys from Cinci. Supposedly Weist, Elder, Stripling, Bajakian and Jancek are probably coming and maybe his OL coach(although I like our line coach pretty damn well).
Supposedly Kevin Steele wants to DC and he is a helluva recruiter but Jones apparently likes Jancek a lot.
Last edited by Gilgamel; 12-08-2012 at 02:30 AM.
Hiring a coach takes stepping stones even for one with lots of money. LSU didn't go from Hallman and his 3 win season straight to Saban. We had to get Dinardo who had a few decent seasons with some bowl appearances after a drought before we hired Saban. Things move so fast now that even if you won a title 10 years ago your school doesn't seem top tier if you aren't in the top 5 the last 5 years.
Worthless trivia, Dinardo was OC on the Colorado team that won the national championship - Miles was the line coach on the same team.
Elder, the RB coach, is interesting. I never hear anything about him, but Cincy's running backs have been outstanding. I'm not sure how much of that is coaching vs. natural talent. Seems like he won't fuck good shit up at the minimum. I like Jancek quite a bit. He schemes well and players play with good fundamentals and a good mental game. He wouldn't be my first choice for DC if I was building a staff, but you could do a lot worse.
I have no opinion on the rest of them. They're probably pretty decent at what they do, but they don't stand out.
Last edited by Tea; 12-08-2012 at 06:45 AM.
Last time I was in New Orleans, my friends and I made a friendly wager. We all chipped in 20 bucks, we started at one end of bourbon street, walked to the other end(takes a few hours when it's busy at night), but you HAD to stop and get a Lucky Dog from every vendor you saw, and stop and get a hand grenade from anyone you saw selling them. Whoever made it to the end of the street without calling it quits got the pot. Nobody made it. I think I waved the white flag somewhere around Lucky Dog #6 and hand grenade #5, I think I was maybe 2/3 of the way down the street.
Steele is a phenomenal recruiter, lousy coordinator. Would be great if you could get him as a linebacker coach.Supposedly Kevin Steele wants to DC and he is a helluva recruiter but Jones apparently likes Jancek a lot.
Looks like Tommy Tuberville has taken the Cincinnati job. Now I expect Tech to come after Kingsbury. Hopefully A&M can throw enough money at him so that he stays put.
Supposedly if Petrino doesn't get a head job he's going to be Tuberville's coordinator next year. What a coup for Cinci.
So Cincinnati is getting Tuberville and Petrino while Tennessee is getting a guy who couldn't recruit worth a damn in Ohio. The times they are a changin.
Literally every major media guy nationally loves Butch Jones. Phil Steele said he'd have us contending for the East by 2014. I didn't know the guy from Adam but tons of people like him. Mort basically jumped up and down yelling about what a great hire it was.
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Caught flak for saying Bill O'Brien was right man for Penn St. Now I'll say this: Tennessee Vols got lucky with Butch Jones #lovethehire5
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Nick Saban was only 5 games over .500, 0-3 in bowl games at Mich St when LSU hired. Give a Butch Jones the Vols/SEC resources, watch out.
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Pete Carroll was USC's 4th choice. Fans were upset. Not when they were hoisting trophies.
I can't get over that hire. Jesus, Cincy's athletic department is on the fucking ball. My day has gotten a lot brighter.
Gilg, I was thinking about Butch's recruiting yesterday. I will say that while he didn't bring in any highly regarded talent the 2 and 3 stars guys that he did bring in were often about equal to 3 and 4 stars guys that Kelly was bringing in. So, it would seem he's pretty good at evaluating talent and finding guys for his system.
Last edited by Tea; 12-08-2012 at 07:10 PM.
It could turn out terrible, I don't know. But the guys who follow this sort of thing seem to like it, some of them better than they would have liked Charlie Strong. Right now our fans are going crazy because he is bringing his own guys in and it may cost us a recruit or two. He runs an entirely different system, I don't get why people are surprised he would bring in his people who know it well over guys who don't.
I bet Jim Chaney ends up at Missouri. That would be a perfect fit. Guy is really an excellent coordinator.
I'm completely fine with that.
Do we have a College Bowl Mania group? I thought I had seen one on MN, but obviously that's passed. We don't have a fantasy leagues thread anymore either, so I figured I'd ask here.
Very excited about Tuberville in Cincy. Cincinnati isn't giving up on their new found success in football at all. At this point, I have full faith in the new president and Whit Babcock.
Thank god, Holgorsen fired our db coach.
I'm surprised they didn't fire the whole defensive staff.
I couldn't be so lucky.
how would Gilg discount Johnny Football's season if he was in a difference conference I wonder. Klein plays the most important position, on a team that was in the title hunt almost all year. His stats aren't the greatest ever, but can you name another player on KSU's roster? Dude went 7-1 vs AQ qualifying teams with winning records and had 25 tds in those 8 games (we've seen the graphic.. the same that shows Johnny at 2-2 with 5 total tds and 6 TO).
It's not a good year for the heisman in general, you can make a case for anyone but to discredit Klein's case is a joke.
also. How is Cinci and upgrade to Texas Tech? Maybe he just really wanted out of fucking Lubbock
Cincy is not even close to a better job than Tech. Tubb hated Tech though from the moment he got there. No surprise he left, but I thought if he did it would be for a CU or something. Nothing against Cincy, but its just an odd move.
Heisman special is fucking gay - I always forget to just tune in at 7:56 every year and end up watching an hour of dick sucking. Think Manziel wins it, think Manti deserves it.
Wow fucking Manzel wins the Heisman...
Bah beat me to it...yea wanting Te'o as well.
Ron Powlus got nothin on Johnny Footbaw.
Not surprised, but I really think Klein should've won.
Three full-time defensive players in the top ten. Wow. Glad to see Lynch and Tavon Austin got in.
can we retroactively give Case Keenum a Heisman trophy?
All you LSU guys, Titan, Elurin and I should meet up on Bourbon pre Sugar. My friend even has a pad to party at which s some old 1820s Bienville street house filled with his slutty, corndog smelling lsu girls.
Seriously though we should meet up. I think i will have a few section 2 tickets as well when this ebay ticket bundle gets here. Think about it, its the game of the year with no clear underdog sorta like cincy/uf 3 years ago. That was a nail biter.
This article makes the case for Manziel better than I ever could. And if we are retroactively giving out Heisman's then Ndonkeykong Suh should have gotten one instead of Ingram.
He might be eventually, but he isn't yet. I watched a lot of South Carolina games this year, and he isn't the disruptive force on every single play, run or pass, that Suh was. But we are comparing a senior Suh with a sophomore Clowney. They might be equally disruptive in the pass game, but Clowney has a long way to go before he makes the impact that Suh did in run defense. Part of that has to do with the difference in positions though. Teams can simply run away from Clowney since he's on one side, there was no getting away from Suh since he was a DT right in the middle of the line. That also makes Suh's pass rush even more impressive, you generally don't see DTs getting the kind of QB pressure that he consistently did, that's usually the role of the DEs like Clowney.
Then again, we won't get to see a Senior Clowney. Hell, I could make an argument that Aldon Smith might have been better than both as a Senior, but instead of his Senior season at Mizzou, he's a 2nd year starter for the 49ers(he left after his RS Soph year, with 2 years of college eligibility left). Hell, hes got a good shot at setting the all-time NFL season sack record(He's 4 short with 4 games left) and this could have been his senior year at Mizzou, he would be raping college O-lines this year.
Last edited by joeboo; 12-09-2012 at 05:08 PM.
Discussion on another board about teams that had great assistants at one time that may or may not been a great team. Of course LSU came up (on a LSU board) with Saban, Muschamp, Fisher, and Dooley (ok he was a good assistant) at once.
Anyone want to throw their team into the mix?
I think UT with Chavis and Cutcliffe was as good at head coach and the two coordinators as any team in history. Fulmer didn't develop any good young assistants though, which is part of the reason he tailed off at the end.
WVU had a very good staff with Richrod, Butch Jones, Barwis (best S&C coach in the nation easy...tons of pros work out with him), Trickett (FSU), Casteel etc
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