Looks good, might be worth a watch.
New series from JJ Abrams with Karl Urban:
Seems sort of like AlienNation only with androids.
could be ok, doubt it will make it to a 2nd season.
Sci-Fi on Fox? 1, maybe 2 seasons. After all, they need to make more shitty reality shows!
I'll wait and see. There really doesn't seem to be much premise in that trailer apart from android buddy-cop. I'm guessing it'll be a procedural which seems really disappointing considering what looks like a really cool setting with surprisingly good special effects.
Would have liked to have watched the trailer. Too bad fucking retards wreck free advertising for their own fucking show.
Ripping of the Joey Tribbiani classic, Mac and C.H.E.E.S.E
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn - In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming
"That is not dead which can Eternal lie, and with strange Eons even death may die" - H. P. Lovecraft
Doesn't this already have a season or three under it's belt in Britain?
That's Being Human, about a Ghost Werewolf and Vampire trying to pass and live among humans.
I want this to be successful. Urban is a badass.
What's the plot? All the commercials all just focus on "Anroid cops!" But they don't touch on anything related to why I should actually give a shit.
Admittedly, I fell out of Fringe, and only caught the final season months later. But there's little here to suggest that I won't catch up to AH this summer as well, assuming it survives.
The twist was weak - as soon as you saw girl legs, there were only two candidates, girlfriend and tech girl. Given that one of them was mysteriously missing at the time, there wasn't much of a mystery.
"Let's go into your memories!" Was there really no other script option that was less derivative of Fringe's pilot?
What was the deal with the flashback chemicals anyway? Were we supposed to believe the police assault had been in the works for over two years? They couldn't bribe someone, or send a mole in as a police recruit, to drag the crate out in that time?
("He's on the move!" Unless the "He" the bad guys referred to was Dorian, and not random cop. Them waiting for Dorian to get activated would at least explain why nothing had happened in two years.)
Speaking of which, what's the deal with "bad guys"? The ZFT cult at least had brain washing to explain their motives. What's the profit margin in getting shot assaulting a police station?
Unsure how I feel about Fembot. Yes, Dorian needs a foil, and you could see them going in two fruitful ways with her. Either as a literally amoral (she hasn't been programmed with any) supervillain, or leader of some Robot Liberation Army (notice that the assault on the police station would have been fatal for the people, but the synthetics would have been unharmed). At least an RLA would explain why the foot soldiers would be willing to die in the police station assault.
There's some stuff I'd like to see answers for (why's half the city blue-fenced off?), but I doubt I will be willing to sit through, say, robot whores to get the two minutes of mythos every week.
Edit: Apparently the version sent out to critics had one additional scene, with some major twist. The obvious answer would be that Urban couldn't have survived that grenade blast two years ago, and got his brain dumped into a robot body himself. (Also meaning that Fembot and the RLA will, of course, get the better of him in sweeps but mysteriously let him go.)
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I really enjoyed it, the visuals were mostly excellent and the casting was great, shitloads of nice little scifi tropes like flashing lights, Blade Runner-esque asian food street, a lot of Deus Ex vibes, etc. Hope the show can stay strong and navigate a "case of the week" cop drama with their shadow-crime-syndicate arc.
glowy segway was funny tho
Sunday + Monday episodes. So another tonight.
It's on my DVR. It looks like this is worth checking out?
What do the buttons on the TiVo standard remote do? - TiVo <-- this will help you find the play button on your remote to make the decision for yourself. *SPOILER* It is button 10.
I am watching it now myself.
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Fembot got seized as evidence, and they want her back, for reasons which are presumably part of the overall plot.Speaking of which, what's the deal with "bad guys"? The ZFT cult at least had brain washing to explain their motives. What's the profit margin in getting shot assaulting a police station?
feels like they "had" to do the sexbot eps and get it over with,(since it's the obvious what if, with gynoids) with that i don't mind, but this eps really added nothing to the story.
I don't think this is going to be a story arc driven show, if its like Fringe the arc will be in the background most of the time so just enjoy the week to week mystery/cop drama/CSI stuff. Skin stuff was creeeeepy as fuck, I guess I've always had an unknown fear of someone stealing my skin.
Premiere rating was really good, now to see if it holds up or not.
Lord save me from the standalone episodes. How is it that in an era where all the mega popular and critically acclaimed series are truly serialized some idiot believes that there must be X standalone episodes to introduce the characters?
I enjoyed the second episode quite a bit. As Tarrant mentioned, I laughed at several points when they were talking to each other throughout the episode.
I'm fine with standalone episodes here and there, or even shows where the majority of the "overall story" is in the last 5 minutes of each episode, as long as it is consistently entertaining. Hell, some of the best Supernatural episodes are completely unrelated to the main story. Sure I'd love a Game of Thrones style story, but if I can't have that I'm fine with great individual episodes. The main thing that will make or break this show is the "buddy cop" dynamic, and these two seem to have it. Dorian is pretty fucking funny when he fucks with Urban. I like them together, they play off each other well, and they are both good actors, so I'm hooked unless it turns to shit in the next few episodes. And Minka Kelly is hot, and they don't have her doing stupid shit like the tech people on these shows usually do.
Opening scene sexbot was worth the price of admission on this one though. I'd never leave my fucking house if I had one of her.
i thought she was a regular det., but then tech girl makes sense we don't see her out on cases nor do i remember her talking to a mx partner. but she's not like... in a lab coat like the mx "doctor", she's in civilian clothes and even has a gun.
Well at least the show was honest about things: In a future where you can have life like androids, of course they are going to make androids who's purpose is to have sex ;P
dont know why but I thought part 2 of the preimire was tonight not monday :-P oh well, it should be on hulu+ now
This could be really good.
Really glad Urbans character has warmed up to his partner already. I was worried it was gonna drag on for a long time with trust issues etc till finally seeing the light.
Ball scanner ftw. Really liking this show. But then I wanted to like it as soon as I heard about it because Karl Urban + Blade Runner + Robocop.
I'm really shocked at the production. I'm pretty surprised with the effects they put in and I can't see them keeping it up. Only shows I see with good production is on hbo with game of thrones ect.
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Loving this show. The interactions are great. I hope it does amazing so we can all realize that Whedon was the problem behind Firefly.
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I'm pretty much a critical asshole and I'm really liking this show. Even the moments they start to slip into expected tropes are still done with enough quirk and humor they aren't too eyerolly. My fear is if they front loaded production costs and at some point we'll just get an endless cycle of low-budget self-contained episodes and the show will lose all luster. I'll keep watching until then, though.
Enjoying the first few episodes. Last episode actually kind of hit some emotional notes with me.
said on the shield thread that almost human trumps shield in the cgi/graphics, set design everything basically. (and that's something i really don't care for) could someone remind me how long he was out for? was it 6m or 2yrs? all i remember was the robot was out for 4yrs.
dredd was out of action for 2 years (17 months coma plus some rehab time). also the second episode that aired this week was actually episode #5 in production order, but I guess they felt it a good strong standalone episode to keep viewer interest high. so while special effects may go down, probably not for a bit. Not sure how many episodes season 1 is gonna be, probably 11-13?
I'm not falling for this shit just yet! I'll give it a few episodes to make sure the reviews in this thread stay positive, then I'll download/catch-up.
I did enjoy episode 1 and havent gotten to watch 2 yet on hulu.
I have to say the world is nice, and way better done than the comercials etc gave hint at...so yes I hope like others do- that it does not slip down and become crappy. If one was to compare this to sheild..wow..sheild sucks :-P
I did like that the world is what it is, we have not been given "this is our cool world get into it!" moments like some other shows where the "world" is the vehicle and characters, story etc are secondary- this has great characters (or is urban just holding the show?) and a great world that is just 'there' and doing a damn good job at it!
Yeah, I'll feel terrible if a show I never watched gets canceled.
J.J. Abrams will gain new cult status and will be asked to write all kinds of shows that suck but fans will love it.
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I look forward to starting my whine-thread about it in 2017.
+1 to the number of people talking about the production values, and that it seems purty darn gewd. Will watch fo sho.
show definitely takes place in the Fringe universe
anyone else kinda freaked out by android designation? i keep getting confused cuz i know he's a DRN but keep thinking it's the hospital term DNR (do not resusitate)
Really enjoyed the first two episodes, Urban is a badass, they mix in the humor pretty well. Also I hope they delve more into the "new technologies" and weapons they talk about all the time in the intro. Would make all the filler episodes a bit more bearable.
I'm going to watch the first 3 episodes this week.
I wish with the amount of money they put behind this they would have just done a Dredd series on Showtime with Urban.
Sure, you give the same group a HBO contract and it's probably a better show -- but it's a FOX show and it is not bad at all.
And yeah there's a pretty good Alien Nation vibe to be had. But that's because Alien Nation was a sci-fi buddy cop format show that didn't completely fucking suck. There's not a lot else to compare it to.
It is nice to see a show that uses a generous amount of special effects while not over doing it. The acting is very well done, as is the dialogue. Karl Urban makes the show but his partner does a great job as well. Definitely will be watching this show as it seems to have a lot of promise. The potential moral issues that could crop up in this show dealing with everything from cloning to nano-technology is becoming more and more relevant in this day and age. It is difficult not thinking of Karl Urban as Judge Dredd but that scene where he takes an honest moment to hug the survivor helped to alleviate that feeling.
For a FoX show I am impressed, which means we should enjoy the only season this show will exist.
looking at the ratings, would be surprised if it gets a full season, unless there is some network deal go on.
Just watched this weeks episode, I thought it was pretty good but I'm going to want to start seeing some story tied into all of this at some point.
Why, exactly? I'm not picking on you specifically Tarrant, but I keep seeing this get brought up again and again in the TV section. Don't get me wrong, if it is done well it can make a show even better, but if it is done badly it will just make the show worse. Some shows are better off sticking to the "monster of the week" formula instead of trying to shoehorn in some grand, overarching plot. Take early CSI, Law and Order, hell even early X-Files, the vast majority of Farscape, old shows like Fantasy Island, etc. I could name dozens. Sometimes it is fun just to see characters confronting new problems each week.
I'm all for serialized stories with a larger goal; shows like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, Sopranos, Shield, Breaking Bad, etc. are all awesome and better for being one big story (for the most part). But not every show is better that way. What's wrong with a show that if you skip a week you can watch the following and not have missed anything?
Maybe it is because I'm older and I'm used to all those old shows that had no larger story. A-Team, Dukes of Hazzard, Love Boat, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Greatest American Hero...more than I can remember I'm sure. Those were all awesome shows, in their own way. I just don't get why everyone insists that there has to be more to like a show nowadays. Sometimes I just want to sit down and be entertained for 40 minutes. Who cares if it ties into something else two months from now?
I felt like it was a weak episode. That was barely more than boilerplate buddy cop hostage situation. There were just too many tropes present. A story arc at least involves you with strong characters and agendas. This episode could have not happened and it wouldn't matter. It may have even improved the show.
The premise is gritty and I liked it....but now it's shifting towards feel good relationship between man and machine and how not to discriminate and accept someone who is different.
I liked the first one more than the second.
Also, they didn't skip a week, this is two episodes of three now that have been stand alone.
And I'm no young kid myself, I appreciated those shows you mentioned as well, but television and entertainment has evolved and you have to go deeper now. Related content makes you care more about it and the characters, that's what I would like to see.
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I watched the last 2 episodes, and yeah, just cant get behind this. Its like something is missing and Tarrant hits the nail on the head. There is no depth to any of these characters because they are not evolving any. A show which goes from one crime scene to another with no overall story arch evolving the main characters is boring.
Character development is the most important quality of any movie or tv show but your condemnation is a little premature considering they're only 3 episodes in.
They have to trick people into thinking it's a procedural or they won't watch.
The only shows that make it these days are episodic I don't know what you guys are talking about.
People (the masses) don't do shows with mandatory episodes to understand what is going on. I think now that a hook is set they will dabble in the background plot more.
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What a shame. They blew a perfect opportunity to have Urban scowl and say "I AM the law!"
For whatever reason this week's episode was broadcast as the visually impaired version, which meant there was a narrator in between every dialogue explaining what was going on. Never had this happen for anything before, but fuck watching with this bullshit.
Verizon FIOS, DC area. No idea.
Enjoyed the episode tonight, the deadpan humor is growing on me more and more.
I'm glad he killed him, I honestly woulda have been more upset had he let him live.
When he got the gun, turned and shot him I was like "okay, that looks like a shot that would eventualy kill him- did he want him dead? or...oh nm"
Potential is being squandered fast.
Nah, I think it is just finding its footing. I do hope they can get back on to the "main plot" however.. but I think we are all hoping that this is not going to be another example of Fox messing things up.
Well, it has already been confirmed that the first seven episodes or so are aired out of order.
And it's kinda obvious when you see the protagonist warming up to his android in the hostages episode and this it looked like their relationship took a step back.
well, really should not be noticeable yet
1.01 Pilot (#1.01)
1.02 “Skin”- (#1.05)
1.03 “Are You Receiving” – (#1.06)
1.04 “The Bends” – (#1.07)
1.05 “Blood Brothers” – (#1.08) (December 9)
1.06 “Arrhythmia” – (#1.03) (December 16)
Personally, that Fox execs thought "Skin" was the best option out of at least four episodes (2, 3, 4, & 5) makes me cringe.
It also explains the sudden two week delay of the launch - "go make some better* episodes, now".
*better in exec-speak not necessarily meaning anything like quality, mind you.
Probably irrelevant in any case, as the numbers have dropped below what Bones did, AND Fox has Gang Related (basically Fast & Furious the TV show) waiting in the wings. I would guess 13 is all you get, and Gang Related takes over after the Olympics are over.
I swear if Fox fucks up another Sci Fi show I love because of airing shit out of order.... I'll.... Well, I'll sit here and be all pissed off about it because there's really nothing I can do.... But Fuck man, stop that shit.
So there is an actual storyline with this show but they are choosing to air things out of order so that's why it doesn't seem like it?
I doubt it. We'd be able to pick up on parts of the overall storyline regardless of which order they were in, they just wouldn't make a lot of sense to us.
I still like the show regardless of overall story or not, but if ratings are that bad it won't really matter.
I don't think there's a storyline. It's truly episodic. It'll probably get canceled which is too bad. Its easily one of the better network sci-fi shows to come out in years. Which isn't saying much because when was the last network sci-fi show? Was it actually firefly? But this one is adequately written, well acted, and it looks really nice.
DS9 also was entirely episodic for the first two seasons. And a show like this would probably need an storyline if they hit season2 or season3. Think of S1 as pure exposition. It's presenting the characters, detailing the environment, and showing the conflicts. Later seasons deal with resolving the conflicts.
it'll be episodic up until the next to last and last eps of the season finale, then we'll find out who the mole is, what that secret organization is, what all that stolen stuff is, what happened to his (ex-)gf, and why he gets a DRN (the capn assigned him darrian? knowing the first robot would be junked?)
Fringe would be the last one that lasted for any length of time. And that was plenty episodic to start with as well.
Eleventh Hour? Wasn't that the detective-type show with the female cop with big titties and the curly-haired guy (dark hair, not the Mentalist) that made all the typical weird-guy connections to solve the cases? Either one of us is confusing it with another show, or I missed the sci-fi element completely there.
Well, every detective-type show has a female cop with big titties. (Speaking of which, add Alcatraz to the list! Mmm, Sarah Jones' boobs...)
But I was referring to Eleventh Hour (TV Series 2008â€“2009) - IMDb, which ran on CBS, Thursdays @10pm I think. Premiering the same season as Fringe (though an adaptation of a British show with Patrick Stewart that ran a couple years earlier), it was essentially Season 1 of Fringe without the mythology.
Ah yeah, there have been quite a few.
I think Terminator and Fringe are the only two that really count. But that's entirely a matter of opinion and tbh I barely watched any of those that you listed so I'm probably wrong to begin with.
I suppose the elements were there but they felt more like set pieces than story elements. For this one, the black dude is an android so that's a pretty solid scifi story element.
All I mean it takes more than pew pew lazers to be scifi.
think Defying Gravity was the last network scifi in space show which don't think abc aired the full season.
Show is quickly getting too self-contained for my tastes. All the world-building and characterization and scene setting is great, but good writers can do all these things while telling a 'main' story. Not to mention all these things are pretty fucked anyhow because of showing everything out of order. In theory, the world and characters were presented in order, to create order, and out of order things are quickly feeling less like progression of any kind, which makes the characters feel stereotypes of themselves and everything that came before that we'll compare them to as we fill things in for ourselves that aren't being filled in by a sense of progression in any singular direction.
In short, I feel like I'm watching a pilot over and over, and even with the high production value, good acting, and decent self-contained writing, am not really eager to ever see the next episode until I have nothing better to do.
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