Seem ridiculously contrived and a waste of Spader's talents.
i give this one the usual 13 episodes before its axed. Bravo, NBC. Just when we thought you reached the nadir with "Do No Harm"
Just watched an ad for it on Youtube. Didn't see a thread here for it.
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Seem ridiculously contrived and a waste of Spader's talents.
i give this one the usual 13 episodes before its axed. Bravo, NBC. Just when we thought you reached the nadir with "Do No Harm"
Has alot of good actors, looks like it has decent production qualities. Might be enjoyable in a 24 sort of way.
Seems kind of dumb how much the trailer reveals about the show though.
That looks annoying as fuck, and didn't Spader already play that character in Boston Legal?
Im guessing the list has somewhere around 100 people? Just enough to get it to syndication?
was ok, little to much super quick cop work though
Well it wasn't Dexter level shit, yet anyway, so I'll give it a bit longer.
However I just can't stand Spader, I stopped watching Boston Legal due to him and there's a good chance this will do the same.
Soooo, odds on Spader being related to her with the dead parents etc? Random thought, he's obsessing for a reason.
Was looking forward to this because I like Spader. Seemed like a cobbling together of so many other shows/movies and suffers from many of the problems 1 hour shows have that must provide a resolution within 35 minutes of actual TV-time: Too much deus ex machina. Magical police work, magic friends that are queue'd up in precisely the right time and place to provide said deus ex machina and a total ignoring of slow working processes that could make such a premise actually pretty cool and interesting.
Will give it a few more tries in hopes that the larger, slower moving plot mysteries can capture my desire to know the bigger picture.
Maybe it was just me but the back ground music in every scene just felt annoying. I dont need a techno rave pop ballad going on as background music every few minutes during a show. Though I was thrown for a loop regarding the
and the pen / neck thing afterwards.Spoiler:
Seeing Spader make demands and grab the CIA by the nutsack was the best part of the show for me.
Christ this did nearly 13m viewers, modern tv is crazy.
These were my thoughts as well, I liked it, but there were a lot of "oh that's convenient" moments that tend to ever-present in TV crime dramas. I have the same hopes that you do that things can spread across more than one episode and the rushed nature of the premier was that it was also the pilot, so things had to wrap up in one nice package.
I watched this last night. Overall it was decent, I'll be watching more next week. It felt extremely rushed though, like they tried to fit 3 episodes into 1 for the premiere. Still though, one thing really was over the top for me and that was:
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You guys are spoiling things that are clearly laid out in the trailer.
I haven't seen the show, yet I knew all of these spoiled facts.
I enjoyed this one a lot.
I enjoyed it, pilot was a tad rushed but that should settle down with possible longer arcs to pace it better.
Yeah I didn't hate it, actually enjoyed it, I will watch for a while.
oderint dum metuant
I liked it, compared with the recent pilot of SHIELD, i prefer this over shield and i by all accounts know lots of marvel stuff (this could work against me liking shield actually). Of course it felt heavy handed, and it was the "oh shit he's a dumb super criminal" "oh shit, he's a smart super criminal" "oh shit bring on the noob" misdirection, then
we solved the episode, yeah!
ending scene, thought she was being emo... "oh that's a cool twist"
she's not a noob, i don't know how agencies work, but i thought i heard she had 4 years in the agency before getting this assignment and her co-workers call her sir cuz she's a bitch, meaning she's not fresh out of the academy.
Aka, TV Tropes (don't google that unless you want to lose a few hours of your day).
I'll give it the usual 6 episode try. I'm a sucker for 'who's playing who' plotlines.
Well the show seemed Prison Break levels of absurd but it was trying to pack a lot of shit into a pilot so maybe it will settle down.
Is this show for real?
If the dude manufactured the situation to get the final results (getting in that hotel room) then is it safe to assume he was behind the train crash ?
Writing an Evil good guy is tough, I hope they can pull it off. Still too early to tell though.
don't think he was behind the train crash, just knew where it was going to happen. thought it was better than the 1st show, only thing that bothered me was the torture part with the freelancer. was just wanting for a current show to have cops play by the rules.
no he wasn't behind the train, that doesn't seem to fit with his character. It was probably, he knew freelancer was gonna hit the train, then said, "you know what, swing by this restaurant, i got a job for you". ugh ever since 24, shows now seem to be like, torture is cool in a "where is the bomb!" moment.
already i'm not interested in anyone from the FBI and i'm more interested in his security outfit (and cia parminda nagra). It's pretty boring tho, spader is obviously the smartest guy in the room, he needs as smart of a person to work off of and there is none in sight.
I am enjoying it though. We aren't talking mensa level writing but it's fun enough.
oderint dum metuant
Clarice-Starling-type FBI agent sticks pen in Kayser-Soze-wannabe-metavillain's carotide for the sake of the argument and discovers hipster-Abercrombie-husbando hides super secret stuff under conveniently placed rugs. Oh, let's not forget the "hey your husband just got attacked and tortured hardcore style in front of you, feel free to join our live manhunt !". Awful.
I'll keep watching for awhile, but as someone mentioned above, I'm probably most interested in Dikembe Mutombo.
got picked up for a full 22 show season
he better not turn out to be her "real" dad
guy eating apple at the end? think that means something?
popular brand of apples (like granny smith)
is something like
washington apples, which are red
at least thats what i thought when i saw a guy watching the monitors and eating an apple, seemed too deliberate.
i don't like the white guy agent, he just seems like the dumbest guy in the room.
maybe the only reason he came out in the open (red) is because he recently found out her husband is some superspy and he just wants to protect her? for some reason we'll find out at the season finale.
I thought the apple had something to do with the guy who was killed in the truck or whatever, that dropped the apple?
Then again I was doing something else while watching the episode, so I might have missed some stuff.
Presumably that's her dad.
I'll give it one more before I give up, the ration of shite to decent stuff is massively lopsided. Shame formulaic cliche'd garbage like this is what audiences lap up and the ratings are huge so no wonder they make it and fuck anything with any depth
There was a nice song in that last episode, though. 'Here with me' by Robot Koch.
fck it i'm all in for this season. So far it's formulaic, villian of the week, a tidbit of liz and a tidbit of Red leak through. But it was liz (megan boone)'s acting that just sold it for me. Sure james spader is great, but we only get like 3minutes of him per episode, the rest has to be carried by liz and jock agent, jock agent sucks so it's liz that is carrying the show. But when villian hit that nerve cluster, i haven't heard a scream like that in forever.
question, did i miss something i thought parminda nagra(indian cia agent) was supposed to be on Red's team along with his handpicked black guy/asian girl. Looks like she just follows agent jock around.
She was picked to be part of Red's security detail by the head of the Department or whatever. Now that he's a "free" man I doubt Red is going to have her following him around. He's still trying to play criminal in the rest of the world's eyes, and having a legit CIA agent following him around would probably make that difficult. If he could read "CIA" from her just from a glance i'm sure someone else would be able to.
yea but in the same episode he had agent jock go with him and announce right away he was agent fbi jock, then after the fight, oh he works for me duh, how else you gonna fake stuff. so he could basically say, "yea hot indian cia girl works for me, she's on the take". it just seems like she is more of a cia liason to the fbi to monitor Red, rather than what we saw as she's a third member of his security detail, i just thought that, part of him being a "free man" and working for the fbi is that she tags along, oh well guess i missed it somewhere.
I'm finding this one really entertaining. James Spader just seems to be having so much fun ;p
Really enjoying the show but the acid in the bathtub made me roll my eyes. Cause Jessie.
The fact that each of their "supervillains" are supposedly the most notorious, hardest to catch, never even heard of criminals, yet they keep getting trivially taken out in 30 minutes irritates me. Can't at least one of them get away or win at least for an episode or two? When I turn a blind eye to that, I still enjoy the show for what it is.
the minor drug lord villian won and got away right? cuz it would also compromise Red if the drug lord got caught, means Red's services suck. why do all the supervillians keep coming to DC? lol they should have a facebook group of supervillians like "dayam supervillian #111 got caught in DC", "maybe we should stay away from the nations capital for a bit?"
Really enjoying this show, needs more James Spader time though. The whole thing could just be him for 45 minutes and I'd be good.
And yup, done, this show is a pile of shit from top to bottom.
Miami Metro laughs at how incompetent the FBI is. SmugSpader tells them the main suspect will be going free yet when the chap in the jury has a heart attack she hands over the main witness to the first fuckwit she spots. At least she didn't try roaming around the main FBI evidence storage without authorisation. Whoops she did but thankfully the guard was using Metal Gear Solid AI and broke off the search pretty quickly without alerting his superiors or using the cctv to catch her.
HomelandMike's FBI Agent character might as well just say "Hodor!" in place of his dialogue and nothing of value would be lost.
As for El Druggo, Spader made a comment about him being on his plane which seemed to imply he may have gotten away from the FBI but he perhaps will be going for a swim along the way to Venezuela.
Yeah, too many words wasted on this. When it finishes its series run I'll ask around and see if it got any good later on.
i thought they said there were 100 people on his list, this chick was like 170.
wonder if the husband works for red's unknown adversary
So what do you do if you're a trained federal agent and a tiny russian chick puts you in a sleeper hold? You stand there waiting to pass out. I had no idea.
They tried to excuse that by having him magically steal her cell phone during his unmanly choke-out session.
btw for those that watched breaking bad(all of you should have) red's butler guy(or whatever) is skinny pete.
actually getting tired of this show... the husband is acting all too "fake dreamy" as my wife put it and i agree, like he's a textbook character you'd make in a rom/com movie about the poor/hard working husband with a big heart. this eps is pretty much a filler eps, got absolutely nothing out of it.
really wish they'd at least try to develop the characters more.
can the black director be anymore more than stern black guy?
can agent jock be anything more than stick up the butt hardnose?
indian girl is basically "substitute agent" oh agent jock and liz need an agent to run in dramatically with.
black chauffeur, doesn't talk, and apparently has level 10 skill in planting bombs
chinese girl, stares and buys stuff
i mean if we have a spaderless eps, this would be the worst fbi drama ever. which means this is beginning to be a horrible show, you can't just bankroll the show on a guy that only gets 8minutes of screentime an eps. i mean it's really hard to care for any character other than spader, the rest are super bland.
I agree with most everything lanx said. Except that what he said needs capitalization.
I cared about Wilson in crazier than House mode
Ugh, finally gave up on this. So tired of Shows like this and The Mentalist with Scooby Doo-like plots, magic forensics, cornball Dick Tracy villains (each more deadly than the last! *mustache twirl* MUHAHAHA), unbelievable dialogue and actions to drive the predictable plot along its well worn rut, all so you can finally get to the bottom of some cool mystery the writers dangle like freedom at the end of a shit-strewn tunnel 3 hundred yards long (that'd be 3 football fields to you and me).
Unlike Andy Dufresne, however, we the audience rarely come out clean on the other side. Usually we have a 'Lost' ending waiting to sledgehammer you in the balls for your trouble.
Yes, I want to know who Reddington is to the woman (yeah she is hot, but holy fuck, every fucking scene with her she has this pained expression like she has a colon full of razor blades) he creeps on. I want to know who the dudes are that jerk off while running surveillance on her. I also want to know if agent Jockstrap is really just a machine sent back from the future to provide us with wooden acting but ill be fucked if im going to sit through this slick oily delivery system for Papa Johns commercials to find any of it out. I'll wait until it's over and read about it in the paper.
I guess I am too spoiled on HBO series shows now and even some of that BBC stuff is excellent.
Insincere apologies for ranting when some of you still do want to discuss what you like about this show. Carry on.
The thing that ruined this show for me was my wife pointing out how terrible the wig on the main actress is...Once you realize it is a wig...You can't stop seeing how poorly they disguise it.
Got news for ya broski. Most women on TV are wearing wigs. I bet a lot of the men are too. It's like being upset because you just noticed she's wearing makeup.
Holy shit. Just started watching the beginning of Pacific Rim, and was shocked to realize that Agent Sternyface on The Blacklist is the main character's older brother in Pacific Rim. Freaky.
lol the one that got ripped out of the cockpit? man i wish they got rid of him just as fast, he's also uncle mike in homeland, the "fake" uncle that pretends to help the family while he bangs the firefly chick.
Wow. That episode was way better than any of the others.
now this is what i'm talking about!
Was this a finale or something? Pretty brutal for a mid season epiosde.
show got a full 22 show order, and part2 is next week, then off the week after that again. so this could be sorta mid season thing if it goes on break for most of dec.
it is doing pretty good in the live rating and great in dvr views.
was really surprised with everything going on.
even the agent keen super agent was pretty intense, you'd think it'd be a stupid mission impossible plot, nope, her training only takes her so far... do we think denbe ate it? they faded to black... but there really is no one in the position to fire a gun aside from fbi hacker.
Man, that last episode was amazing. If they could keep up that quality the show would be fantastic as fuck. Sadly I doubt they can.
saw new trailer, next week is the "fall finale". couldn't find anything on when it will return
by Episode 2, we're already glorifying torture. This is pretty hard to watch, because it's probably too close to the truth at this point.
oh, and too much music. Way too much music.
They're excessively stealing plot from other TV shows. Stewmaker is Heisenberg, Courier comes from House MD...
and Spader got fat. Man.
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Good stuff, glad I stuck with it despite the cheese early on. Redding is just a terrific character for a tv show.
The PJ song from the finale:
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I just started watching this. It has it's good and bad moments. The first episode had my eyes rolling when they got the General's (Admiral?) daughter and were bringing her somewhere safe and the supervillian managed to get her.
Hey, we're in an FBI convoy and we'll for sure stop on this bridge to a guy in a random hazmat suit.
keep at it, a tiny bit of suspension of disbelief and by eps 3, you'll be watching the best new show of 2013, imo.
Who is the insider mole ? I was confused but when ole' gal was in the house across the street was she dialing from the dead dude's phone or her own when the FBI director answered ?
I dug the two part general arc. It was a lot more violent than I anticipated.
And the Mike dude from Homeland? Hopefully he dies. He's rivaling Skylar White already; his sole purpose thus far has been as a foil to Lizzy and Spader's character--no matter how irrational and stupid his assertions have to be in order to make him that foil (Derp, I double cross the guy without telling you, and then I let him slip away from my full fucking swat team, but it's your fault he got away!). It's retarded.
This show has taken a more graphic turn...
My wife and I laughed out loud when fake-hair showed up solo, in person to take down the Samaritan. Apparently there are no other police, or agents anywhere on this show.
holy shit, did he use the same bag that the dead cremated chinese lady was in, to choke out newton? (skinny pete from BB if you don't know by now) pretty much one of the boss moves i've seen, i mean i haven't seen an urn (all burials) except my dog and they gave me his ashes in a box but bagged up (nicely). i assume it's the same for urns.
also good samaritan was the most unique killer i've seen in a while so far, i liked him... man i liked him so much i was sad that he got a gut shot from wiggy. or maybe that means he's still alive, but he's just a killer, doesn't mean he has the skills to escape captivity.
"the suspense is killing me"
loved it, but do i hate when the opening credits give away the "surprise" guest
Excellent episode! My wife was a bit stunned at Redd and how brutal he was. I had to remider her, he is not a nice man. They've made sure you know that quite a number of times during this show and they really put it front and center in this last one.
to point, it just shows that he'll always be professional, except when it comes to lizzy then he'll go batshit like "i'mma gonna shoot you now fbi jock guy(i still don't know his name! wtf he's worthless) give me the code so lizzy doesn't die"
(ah i just remembered, ressler)
'you talk to much"
really hope, Liz has a life changing moment before the end of the season. ditches the husband and the hair style.
don't know if it was her outfits or the way they are filming her, but i thought for sure she was pregnant in real life while watching last night. she does look much better with short hair.
liz and her family life is dragging the show down, i really tune out when i see her and her fake agent/cheating/husband? together. the twist kill was pretty cool this eps, effectively malik (indian cia girl) sold out her boss i guess. now i guess we'll have to see what's next after red has plugged up the leaks. i guess there's still apple guy and alan alada(the old white guy).
I only watch this show for Red, which I assume is pretty much in line with everyone else. I do hope the husband gets the obvious-Red-planted-cheater-girl down to as few clothes as possible on network television though. She's way better looking than Lizzie.
I laughed at how Lizzie was capable of fighting commandos during the assault on the Post Office, but an old CEO was able to overpower her and basically treat her like a little bitch in this episode.
You talk to much was awesome, he is killing it in this show.
I want Lizzys man to make sex to the new girl pls.
really hope they resolve the husband storyline soon
and Lance Reddick is always great to see
husband/baby/teacher shit... omg so boring
really enjoyed the season, certainly had it bad spots, but Spader certainly brings the fun.
Well, husband's story line is certainly over now. We just need to worry about Father and why reddington actually cares about her next.
as a review (for those of you who want to catch up on the season) it's a real trial to sit through most of the blacklist, just to get a few gems out of james spader. the whole "task force" is unlikable, especially liz.
indian chick has no character (and i've watched her be a good character on ER)
the jock is even more of a bore
the director is your usual "talk stern, and be captain not have a clue"
terrorist looking tech guy solves every problem with being smart
and they just write liz, like a total bumbling idiot. it's like when they have writers block... "have liz do something stupid and emotional", more writers block? "have liz detest james spader and call him a monster", even more writers block? "have liz denounce and break away from james spader and vow to never talk to him again, only to come back 5 mins later"
it's fustrating b/c you want more of james spader and less of everything else, especially liz.
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